+woodsters Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 Introducing the all new "Geocaching Express". Note at bottom of order form: Shipping: Your order has been dropped into a local cache. Your order can be traced with travelbug #xxxxxx. If by chance your order disappears, we are not responsible. Please check a local TB hotel nearest to the last known cache. Your order should arrive within: we can not verify that information. Another Note: Sorry, we tried to deliver your order but the order was too large to fit in the cache container. Brian As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump Quote Link to comment
Elias Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Criminal:I thought the issue with TB cost had more to do with the shipping and "handling" than the actual expense of the bug. That is certainly an issue, but the new bugs don't really address that. The base shipping cost through shop.Groundspeak.com is based on the base shipping charge for UPS and we have no control over that. So even though the new bugs will be lighter and cheaper, it won't address the shipping issue. The shipping cost is a seperate issue and we're trying to address that as well. Elias Quote Link to comment
+Criminal Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Elias: quote:Originally posted by Criminal:I thought the issue with TB cost had more to do with the shipping and "handling" than the actual expense of the bug. That is certainly an issue, but the new bugs don't really address that. The base shipping cost through http://shop.Groundspeak.com is based on the base shipping charge for UPS and we have no control over that. So even though the new bugs will be lighter and cheaper, it won't address the shipping issue. The shipping cost is a seperate issue and we're trying to address that as well. Elias OK then, for the third time now, what is the status on getting just the number? http://fp1.centurytel.net/Criminal_Page/ Quote Link to comment
Elias Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Criminal:OK then, for the third time now, what is the status on getting just the number? For the second time, they're in the works. Elias Quote Link to comment
+Criminal Posted July 8, 2003 Share Posted July 8, 2003 quote:Originally posted by Elias: quote:Originally posted by Criminal:OK then, for the third time now, what is the status on getting just the number? For the http://ubbx.Groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=6016058331&m=39760976&r=91060086#91060086, they're in the works. Elias Is that what that means? I read it but never made the connection. Thanks for the info! http://fp1.centurytel.net/Criminal_Page/ Quote Link to comment
+TheEdge Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 I like the metal tags for durability. Here in Florida we've lost several caches to fires, controled burns and natural ones. One of my bugs melted down pretty good, but the metal tag was still readable so it was able to be put back in circulation. As far as the connectors...I use different types, zip ties, key rings etc., depending on what I'm attaching the tag to. I don't care for the chains that come with the TBugs. I like the instruction tag idea. I would like to have a "copy" tag as well, but without the word "copy" on it, so it could use be used to re-issue a bug that goes missing or is destroyed. How about this....one original metal tag, and two plastic tags, a "copy" and an "intructions." Keep the chain and leave the connectors to us. We can figure it out. Quote Link to comment
+Aggie Wanderers Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 Plastic=booo hissss! Plastic tages would suck. The barely metal tags are lame enough already! Quote Link to comment
Isildur's Bane Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 I think the plastic tag is OK - what you should work on is the message. The current message is not very intelligible to a newbie and results in lost bugs. The instruction tag is a good idea, or maybe just print on the back of the tag. Something like "Travel bug - first log your bug find on www.Groundspeak.com, then place me in another cache as soon as possible." Is there a way to make the bug find page on the same page as the cache so you can do it in one swoop as when you drop a bug off in a cache? I.e, log page would have a section "I found a bug here [enter number]" Perhaps you could add a space or additional tag that says "Help me find my way to: _______" so you don't accidentally move the bug 100 miles the wrong way before getting to the computer to discover its goal. In any case, I recommend that the bug starter do this. The only problem is you can't change the goal then unless you enlist the help of someone that has found the bug. Quote Link to comment
+Search1128 Posted July 10, 2003 Share Posted July 10, 2003 If plastic tags are introduced and/or simple numbers issued to be attached to any form of custom tag, then I would still opt for the metal tag. As stated many times previously, the metal tag is "official" looking and much harder to counterfeit. The plastic tags will weather, melt, get deeted, break in the cold, etc. While the customize option seems cool at first, it will cheapen the game and will confuse cachers into thinking they are simply finding a numbered signature item. I vote not changing the actual tags themselves but rather smarten up the tracking process with picking up, logging, and dropping off the TB. Kirk out. Quote Link to comment
+Huntnlady Posted July 11, 2003 Share Posted July 11, 2003 I say Go For It! When the only TB tags being made are the plastic ones, the old metal ones will be that much more desirable. Can't stand in the way of progress. ______________________________ How do they get a deer to cross at that yellow road sign? http://www.geocities.com/cacheinon Quote Link to comment
+Green Toad Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 I just found my first TB two days ago. I like the metal TB's, but I must agree that they don't immediately look like a hitch-hiker. The instructions do not give enough detail. I feel that if I had not researched TBs and specifically searched this particular TB out I'm not sure that I would have realized that I needed to place it in another cache. *My suggestion on instructions: Make them explicitly clear that this is a hitch-hiker to be placed in another cache because it has a goal. *On alternate tags: I've come into this discussion late, so it seems that purchasing a number is a given. I would stay with the metal tag and the purchase a number method then. Metal tags, plastic tags, and numbers are just too much. I think adding numbers are too much, but that has been discussed. I truly think that the biggest problem with lost TBs is the included instructions (with exception of those who actively steal TBs) because they are vague. I recently graduated from law school (but not a practicing lawyer) and two of the things that I was taught was: 1) write to cover every scenario (in legal situations) and 2) to write/orally describe in the completly/most layman terms that I could come up with. On number 2, we were told "if someone with an 85 IQ cannot understand what you are telling them you are not doing your job!" The instructions need to follow rule #2. If they are not blindly apparent, TBs will be lost. I like the metal TBs because they could look official, but their 'officialness' requires looking professional (i.e. somewhate expensive) and they clearly describe their purpose. The current TB meets about 75% of the first part and about 13% of the second part. The TB could look a little more official, but the instructions really suck. Get better instructions and make it look for official and they will be excellent. I think plastic TBs will look less official than the current metal TBs and that will hurt their ultimate purpose. (I think selling numbers defeats both purposes, but I understand economics and the need to keep this site viable, so I would accept it even if I didn't like it. Especially for the continued viability of this site.) -stroh -Technology...I have no idea what I would do without my GPSr, my TiVo, or my Computer with a DSL connection. I guess I would spend more time with my wife! Quote Link to comment
+Green Toad Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 Another thought, you could always use economics, if you have a clear goal over time. If the plastic bug and/or selling number works out, they will work out because people want them and they don't immediately dissapear. If they dissapear, noone will buy them. -stroh -Technology...I have no idea what I would do without my GPSr, my TiVo, or my Computer with a DSL connection. I guess I would spend more time with my wife! Quote Link to comment
+UALvolar Posted July 12, 2003 Share Posted July 12, 2003 I think that having an option would be great. My reason is as follows: -for your short-range bugs, use plastic, and vice versa. I put a log in a film canister and placed in a cache in CA with instructions to get in home to me in Reston, VA. Just an experiment. Thanks, Spencer Quote Link to comment
+McCaughan Family Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 I like the metal bugs. As for the plastic idea, since so many people attach a goal card to the bug anyway, why not have the plastic instruction card come with the metal tag. Then the bug is both metal and plastic. Tracking number metal. Instructions (replaceable) plastic. My kids (13, 10 and 7--the 1 year old can't have the chain for a few years) love the chain because they can wear their "copy" and it gives them more ownership of their bug. I think it also cements the concept that this thing they can't see is out there somewhere. I think the cost of the bug is more than reasonable. And if the cost went up to cover the addition of the plastic instructions I think it would still be reasonable. Doug ps. the plastic tag could be designed like the photo key flobs so a printed "goal" could be inserted into it. Instructions pre-printed on one side; printable goal snapped into the other side. Geocaching Families of East TN Quote Link to comment
+quills Posted July 13, 2003 Share Posted July 13, 2003 i agree i like the metal tag. i found my first tb yeasterday dropped it off today. it had a laminated card with it telling it's story. i think the metal tag with the tracking number needs to stay a plastic one with it's info is a good idea that the owner can fill out. "If you mess with aporcupine you might just get the quills. LOL I just had to say that" Quote Link to comment
+woodsters Posted July 14, 2003 Share Posted July 14, 2003 quote:Originally posted by McCaughan Family: ps. the plastic tag could be designed like the photo key flobs so a printed "goal" could be inserted into it. Instructions pre-printed on one side; printable goal snapped into the other side. That's a great idea! I think having the general instructions on one side and then a place where you could insert the TB instructions/goal on the other is an absolutely fantastic idea. Brian As long as you're going to think anyway, think big. -Donald Trump Quote Link to comment
+UALvolar Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 This just popped into my mind: What about a TB made of that shrinky-dink plastic. That would allow you to personalize it, etc, before you bake it. Just a thought Quote Link to comment
+strikeforce1 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 I like the idea of an instruction tag telling people " how to log it in ". I prefer one design only. What about using a bright color as an identifier. Whether they are plastic and colored or the present metal - anodize. I assume the cost would go up slightly. But, they would be reconized easiely. SF1 Quote Link to comment
train1885 Posted July 15, 2003 Share Posted July 15, 2003 How about a slot that could contain a small note with the TB's goal so it would be inside the bug rather than attached. Goals seem to get separated from the bug as time goes on. Quote Link to comment
+Crusso Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 See this thread for a platic TB idea which is both Groundspeak produced & user customizable. (Ok, so I think my post is a good idea!) "TB mission-card insertable keychains... mini-frames... hmmm..." http://ubbx.Groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=6016058331&m=11360307 Quote Link to comment
+fly46 Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Honestly, I don't like the thought of lowering cost of the TBs... Part of their allure is that finding bugs isn't easy. I like the challenge of hunting for them and maybe finding one. Think about it. A teddy bear isn't special because everyone has had at least three and you can find them anywhere. If you decrease the cost of the bugs, they'll be like Teddy bears - everyone will have them and it won't be a big deal anymore. And don't make them plastic. Please don't make them plastic! Quote Link to comment
+MtnLion Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 I've just read this entire string. It's exhausting. I like the classic metal tags. They are functional, sturdy, and really not that expensive when you think about it. I agree that cheap equals prolific which equals boring and tedious instead of rare and fun. *Caution below *sarcasm warning-profound eye-rolling and head-shaking imminent* However, if I could, I would like it if the TB tags could be metal on one side fused to plastic on the other. I'd like to be able to specify brass, brushed nickel, or chrome finish on the metal side, and any color plastic engraved with my avatars image superimposed with the unique TB serial number using holography (like Microsoft) for absolute authenticity verification. The TB tag would need to come with a clear weatherproof snap-on compartment that would attach to the plastic side of the bug containing an animatronic "Bug" character that would activate itself by detecting the temperature variance between the ambient surroundings and my hand. "Bug" might sing a unique song that Jeremy could pre-program for me based on the complex and amazing history surrounding my TB's story. Or, some other bit of theatre might be appropriate-but that should be up to the individual cacher's needs. *Caution below *bitterness/eyerubbing tired & crankiness warning** Mostly, I just enjoy the simplicity of the geocaching _game_. There are a whole host of poor teenagers and students and poverty stricken adults that can scrap together a few dollars a day for cigarettes or booze or lottery tickets that can serve as great examples of how if you want/need something enough, you can find a way to afford the difference between $5.00 (metal) and, say, $2.50 (plastic) for a TB tag. I can't imagine a situation where literally a couple of dollars is going to make or break someone's choice to do something they really like to do. I live in the area that hosted the PiGMan'S wrath and I know that there are a _few_ twisted folks out there who just seem to need to mess with a good thing. Those people are going to find a way to mess with you no matter what you do to protect your bugs. Making it harder for them will only encourage them, it won't lessen the impact. Make the instructions better to enhance the game and reduce the number of lost tags because of ignorance. Plastic is cheap because it isn't as good as metal at being durable and official looking. The caches are full of cheap plastic trinkets. Those metal tags stick out. And you know right away if you have a TB in your hand. Let people make a small investment in the game for this completely optional enhancement. There is so much you can do here for free. Are any of us such cheapskates that we really can't part with $20.00 for 4 bugs? Are these the same people who don't pay for NPR yet listen every morning? Hope I didn't ruffle anybody _too_ much. If you read this entire string from top to bottom, you might get tiffed off, too. Thanks, I feel great now... Quote Link to comment
+sept1c_tank Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Call me old fashion...I think the metal tags would have more ascetic integrity. Also, having just 1 style available would standardize them, making them easier to spot. And, the current price is not unreasonable. ============="If it feels good...do it"============== **(the other 9 out of 10 voices in my head say: "Don't do it.") . Quote Link to comment
+The Gowen Family Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I am in TOTAL agreement with MtnLion. We should leave the tags the way they are and at the current price. If you can afford a PC, Internet connection, GPS, and all the gas for driving from cache to cache then an occasional $20 for 4 TB is no big deal. That being said. I would like to see a way to track my signature item from my geocaching.com profile page. We are getting glow in the dark coins with a serial number in the next month or so. Maybe this could be a premium member perk. That way it would encourage more people to become paying members. It's only $30 per year. Quote Link to comment
+doublestuff Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Unfortunately once I read that quote:They will be based on key fob designs you get at PetCo and other places. Size is configurable. We propose to create 3 tags connected so you can snap them apart. I will have to say no. It would be different if the tags were hard plastic like the kinds you see as zipper pulls or state license plate key chains, the ones that are engraved. I would be for something like that. Quote Link to comment
are.we.there.yet? Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Originally posted by The Gowen Family:I am in TOTAL agreement with MtnLion. We should leave the tags the way they are and at the current price. If you can afford a PC, Internet connection, GPS, and all the gas for driving from cache to cache then an occasional $20 for 4 TB is no big deal. ....sorry folks, but $20 is a big deal. I bought 4...one is stuck, one not sent yet, two went missing 2 days after being put in the first cache. I won't be buying anymore $6 travel bugs. Quote Link to comment
+MtnLion Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 quote:Originally posted by are.we.there.yet?:Originally posted by The Gowen Family:I am in TOTAL agreement with MtnLion. We should leave the tags the way they are and at the current price. If you can afford a PC, Internet connection, GPS, and all the gas for driving from cache to cache then an occasional $20 for 4 TB is no big deal. ....sorry folks, but $20 is a big deal. I bought 4...one is stuck, one not sent yet, two went missing 2 days after being put in the first cache. I won't be buying anymore $6 travel bugs. Would you really buy 4 more for a few dollars less? How much would you fork over if you knew you would get the same results? $15? $10? $5?. As we know, most of the missing TBs are due to newbie ignorance. I think you might be better served by leaving comments relating to putting better, more obvious instructions on the tag to avoid having them lost rather than posting sort of a general disgruntlement with the main risk of chosing to play the TB game that lowering the cost slightly by going to plastic tags will not even address. (forgive the run-on sentence) Quote Link to comment
+Huntforit Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 I prefer the metal tags. Quote Link to comment
+DocMagoo Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 quote:Originally posted by McCaughan Family:I like the metal bugs. As for the plastic idea, since so many people attach a goal card to the bug anyway, why not have the plastic instruction card come with the metal tag. Then the bug is both metal and plastic. Tracking number metal. Instructions (replaceable) plastic. My kids (13, 10 and 7--the 1 year old can't have the chain for a few years) love the chain because they can wear their "copy" and it gives them more ownership of their bug. I think it also cements the concept that this thing they can't see is out there somewhere. I think the cost of the bug is more than reasonable. And if the cost went up to cover the addition of the plastic instructions I think it would still be reasonable. What he said.... I used to be in the military and one of the biggest highlights was wearing the dogtags. It gave a sense of ownership. To give some other thoughts, metal for the official tag because: 1. DEET does eat plastic 2. the metal is recognizable, I found a TB on my second cache and knew what it was and figured it out (perhaps revised instructions instead of the poem would help for those who are TB challenged) 3. I love the ownership stuff quoted above. 4. as quoted elsewhere, "if it ain't broken..." As more people become familiar with the sport, the tags to give a familiar identity. Just my 2c. The place where your treasure is, is the place you will most want to be, and end up being -- The Message Quote Link to comment
+Team Jammer Posted July 26, 2003 Share Posted July 26, 2003 Keep the metal tags and don't delute them with cheap plastic ones! There's nothing like opening the cache and finding that bug in there waiting for you. The metal gives it an official feeling. I agree with the Gowen Family...if you can afford all the expensive stuff then why not a few bucks more for a few Travel Bug tags? topdog01 Quote Link to comment
+lathama Posted July 27, 2003 Share Posted July 27, 2003 or maybe the answer is to produce both types and then people can choose which type they buy. Quote Link to comment
+H-Head Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 I Prefer metal over plastic for multiple reasons. 1. Plastic is brittle, metal is not 2. metal can alwas be melted down and recycled Plastic not as easily 3. geocaches are littered with trinkets and dollarstore goodies. a metal bug sticks out more. 4. since I paid more for shipping than the TB. I am inclined to want the metal one, so I get a better feeling of value for my money. can't the costs be brought down on the TB in otherways? Things that could decrease the cost of the TB are: <LI> Modifying the metal compound <LI> Not including the chains (or shorter chains) <LI> Increasing the production runs of the tags <LI> Changing the machine shop that presses them There must be more ways but I can't think of them right now. Shipping costs can be reduced by modifying the way they are sent. USPS regular mail in an envelope as letter mail. May the little garmin dude guide you safely. Quote Link to comment
+BarbershopDru Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 Okay, so I'm old fashioned. I like the metal dog tags. No great earth shaking reason. In this day and age of plastic, there is something REAL about metal. I've even lost the majority of the ones that I've placed, but still enjoy doing TBugs. Quote Link to comment
+Planet Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 Plastic never decomposes. The less made out of plastic, in my opinion, the better. We picked up a lot of plastic garbage on the riverbank today. It saddens me when a 9 year old says to her Mom, "Mom, people are bad, they're trashing the planet!" So, I like the metal tags. And plastic just seems so cheap and tacky. Metal is shiny, and shows up in the cache box when the sun hits it just so and you see that glint of metal. Yes, I prefer metal tags. Cache you later, Planet So many caches, so little time. Quote Link to comment
+Dave_W6DPS Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I like the metal ones. It makes it easy to have one design to look for when you want to check through a cache's contents fast. I would like to see the wording changed to provide a bit of instruction on where to go to log them. The stuff currently printed on them could be replaced by "Please ensure you log this bug at:", or something along those lines. Dave_W6DPS My two cents worth, refunds available on request. (US funds only) Quote Link to comment
victorjwood Posted July 31, 2003 Share Posted July 31, 2003 I would prefer metal as well. As others have said, the look and feel of metal is better and there is too many plastic "bits" in the caches already. Postage is more of a problem. Here in Germany I had to import my bugs resulting in a unit cost of almost $10 each. Most of that was postage costs. -------------------------------------------------------- Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night." -------------------------------------------------------- Victor Quote Link to comment
+Sissy-n-CR Posted August 4, 2003 Share Posted August 4, 2003 My option is to keep the metal tag, concentrate on the tagless numbers, and leave the plastic for later. Personally, I'd either only pay for the metal tag or the tagless version. I can produce my own. Here is an example of some add-on tags I made for a TB I picked up and moved on. Here is a tag I made for one of own TBs. As far counterfeiting a TB, is can be done now. Just make up something and put a homemade tag on it. IF the owner doesn't have a picture of the TB on the TB page, the counterfeit bug can get logged several times before anyone gets the wiser. Don't get me wrong, I like the "authentic" metal tag, but a lot the arguments against anything other than the metal one just don't fly in my book. Produce a plastic tag for those who want them. The bugs with the metal tags will still be rare, if not more so, and more people can play. Me, I'm still waiting for the $1 a piece tagless TB serials. CR Quote Link to comment
+Ole Cache Posted August 5, 2003 Share Posted August 5, 2003 I'll bet most of us living outside de USA, would very much like being able to buy just the numbers, and not having to pay exorbitant amounts of money just for s&h. Other than that, the last TB I picked up had a pretty worn out metal tag, sort of rusting, but in white Quote Link to comment
+Breaktrack Posted August 8, 2003 Share Posted August 8, 2003 Well, I love my travel bugs, and I love that they are metal, and not plastic. I know there are very tough plastics out there that will stand up to anything, but a number stamped into the metal is much harder to scrape off with a pocket knife than it will be in plastic. I am one who will stick with the metal tags, if the price goes up, I'll just do with fewer, that's all. I'd probably buy some of the plastic instruction tags though, I think that is the addition I like the best. Will be ordering 8 new METAL tags in the next few days....... "Trade up, trade even, or don't trade!!!" My philosophy of life. Quote Link to comment
+GeoNav Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 I'm coming late to this discussion,so I'm sure it's all been said. However I would prefer the metal tags. Plastic just doesn't seem to hold up well in a physical world, and in tracking some caches, things get a little physical. Would hate to pull a TB out of my pocket and find it busted in half. The other thing about a cheaper ($) version of the TB, as others have mentioned, is that more of them would proliferate. I see no real problem of this other than the need for more and more server space to accomadate them. I have no idea how the Groundspeak gurus operate this terrific site, but it seems to me that more people who cache and the more cache sites that are established and the more travelbugs that are released all lead up to more and more cost in one way or another, including time. So if Jeremy and Co. can handle it, Via Con Dios. GeoNav So many caches, so little time! The forest awaits! Quote Link to comment
+Team Mach Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 I'm checking to see if this is possible. I thought it would be great to have micro-cache travel bugs. Their website is Escopes Quote Link to comment
+CrimsonWrath Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 That is wicked cool! There's nothing stopping you from doing that. Just purchase a bug and use the numbers in the Escope. If/When it gets lost, you can then send the normal tag out and start over. Quote Link to comment
+StarQ Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Here's my thoughts on it... If you completely replace the metal tags, the current travel bugs will become collector items and cease their travels. Quote Link to comment
The Alethiometrists Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 quote: Testing Quote Link to comment
+Mark 42 Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Plastic does decompose, some metals don't. Plastic is at least as easy as metal to recycle. I hate plastic. It has its place sometimes, but would you wear a plastic ring on your finger? Metal has class. Metal is durable. If it's stainless steel it will not decay. I agree that the current tag should have a brief outline of instruction on the back of it. If people want plastic tags, sell them just the number, and they can do it on their own, but I really like the fact that when I see a travel bug, it's instantly recognizable. I thought there already is a way to click over to the travel bug's page from the cache it is listed in (referring to an earlier post). Personally, I would make them about 20% larger, include instructions, leave them as metal. I'm ambivalent on selling just the numbers. I'm an avid DIY'er, but I like the commonality & uniformity of the current scheme. I do wish that every bug had its goal, even if it doesn't have one in particular, noted with the hitchhiker )plainly & easy to see). Maybe when a person buys a bug, he could state his goal so it could be printed on a second tag for an extra cost? But, overall, I like them the way they are. They could be stamped from metal in the shape of a bug, but would have to be a little larger to leave room for text. I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people. Quote Link to comment
+balloonatic Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 I think we should focus on what's wrong with TB's and their tags. THEY GO MISSING! This has nothing to do with what the tag's are made of, metal or plastic (although metal rules), but instead what the tag says. Attaching a laminiated note with the bugs goal is practically mandatory now. Adding some kind of see through sealable plastic pouch would be great. A template for the TB note could be posted to the gc.com web site and you would just print your own goal sheet. Insert your goal sheet into the pouch and your TB is off to the races. my 2 cents Learn from the mistakes of others as you won't live long enough to make them all yourself. Quote Link to comment
+Felinus Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I preffer metal tags. Plastic would be fine if they are embossed (not printed). I do not want homemade tags. I preffer the idea of a uniform tag, easy to identify. I think the shape should remain the same as the current tag (to avoid confusion). I would still want to buy metal tags, even if they cost more. -- Keep finding. Quote Link to comment
+Mark 42 Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I'd even prefer cloth to plastic. Something similar to the one's in the picture below: I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people. Quote Link to comment
+MiTuCats Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 Our preference would be to stay with the metal as well, for many of the reasons already listed by others. Among other things, if the number of metal tags sold drops, the cost per tag may well rise for those who continue to purchase them. Because the job runs are smaller, the setup costs cannot be spread over as many pieces. As far as printing the goals when the tags are ordered, many people seem to buy several then release them over a period of time. They may not know when they buy them what the goal will be. I think it's better for people to use their own formats to produce the goals once they know what they are. See the thread "labeling travel bugs" for some methods already in use. We tend to prefer Rocketman's template. http://ubbx.Groundspeak.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=5726007311&f=6016058331&m=75460905 "Roads? Where we're going we don't need .... roads" --Dr. Emmett L. Brown Quote Link to comment
Mungerbees Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I think we should keep it metal,because it's like traditional. If I get a picture of an idea maybe I'll change my mind. Quote Link to comment
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