+NOSNOW Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 The_Black_Hand They must be some kind of outstanding cacher! Quote Link to comment
+fuzziebear3 Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Strange... Somebody's sick idea for a sub game? Maybe some kind of challenge event? Hopefully this is actually a in good fun kind of hoax/game, not a malicious endeavor. Quote Link to comment
+pastor_b Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 this is a joke, right? Quote Link to comment
+luckycharmer Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 REALLY SAD. Even if it's a joke or setup for an upcoming event, it's not really funny. MY OPINION. Quote Link to comment
+Twitch Hugs Trees Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Okay their logs on the trackables they pick up really upset me. "This is ours now". Really? Where I come from that's called THEFT, plain and simple. Not a game, not a scavenger hunt. THEFT. I hope someone catches them and calls the law on them. I noticed that they picked up a cute coin that's traveled all the way from Germany and left that as their log. It's no wonder so many countries hate Americans, when people like this do this kind of crap. Makes me angry and sad that people like this think it's fun to ruin the game for others. Quote Link to comment
+Droo Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I don't know about promoting an event or even a superlative cache hunt as we've seen a couple of those by noobs with barely a find or two claiming the same here. It's all pretty delusional. Quote Link to comment
+Terrier Team Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 thats sick! why would someone even want to do something like that!? I personally would fly someone out there and see whst they are up to.... if i had the money of course... Quote Link to comment
+SXParx Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 How has a banned member had a cache approved???? Surely that puts at risk even more trackables Quote Link to comment
+t4e Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 (edited) How has a banned member had a cache approved???? Surely that puts at risk even more trackables its archived now http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...c1-0a868c178c81 unless their IP is banned, banning them doesn't make any difference, they can register with a different name maybe its time GC does something about the possibility of registering more than once from the same IP and with the same email address, i don't see the point of the sock puppet accounts anyway, except if you've got no guts to speak your mind under your own name Edited August 9, 2010 by t4e Quote Link to comment
Bryan Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Account has been banned and the cache has been archived. We do have some information about who they are and I have sent them an email asking them to stop ruining the game for others (among other things). If anyone comes across additional information, please email me through my profile. Quote Link to comment
+WRITE SHOP ROBERT Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Maybe they'll come out with a Black Hand Mystery Coin. Sounds like either some thug who want's to rub it in people's faces, or some kind of joke or some setup for a puzzle. Hopefully one of the fun ones. Quote Link to comment
+pastor_b Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Account has been banned and the cache has been archived. We do have some information about who they are and I have sent them an email asking them to stop ruining the game for others (among other things). If anyone comes across additional information, please email me through my profile. thank you!!! need any help? As caching pastor (lol), l may refuse absolution (not laughing out loud) pastor_B Quote Link to comment
Bryan Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 Update: I received an apologetic reply to my email from the cacher. He explained that it was a few people that were doing it as an elaborate set up for the cache. They planned to give everything back and it was just part of the way they were playing the game. He now understands that their messaging caused some concern, and he appears genuinely sorry for causing trouble. I believe that the trackables will be replaced very shortly and that this case can soon be closed. Quote Link to comment
Flying Spaghetti Monster Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 <insert sound of clapping for the quick action from Groundspeak> Quote Link to comment
+drneal Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 thank you Groundspeak! ILYK Quote Link to comment
+pastor_b Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 May I suggest... THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE!!!!! Quote Link to comment
+Eartha Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 This isn't the first time that someone thought this was a fun way to set up their own cache and fill it with trackables. Not everyone remembers when pirates were a very bad thing in geocaching, and some may think it's funny to act as pirates, or pirate types, not knowing the effect it can have on the community. Thanks for the heads up on the reports, and thank you Groundspeak for the speedy replies! Quote Link to comment
+Bhob Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 . . . unless their IP is banned . . .I can see several problems with this people who have dial-up access get an IP address assigned when they connect it is issued from a pool of IP addresses owned by their provider another innocent user may get the offending IP address at a later time and the pirate is likely to get a different IP address the next time that they connect a similar situation exists with shared and/or public computers such as at a school or library an innocent user could get blocked due to a pirate having used the computer at an earlier time even in a home situation, one pirate family member could get innocent accounts owned by another family member blocked Quote Link to comment
+Bhob Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 How has a banned member had a cache approved????they probably had the geocache approved before they were banned Quote Link to comment
+Bhob Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I hope someone . . . calls the law on them.as much as this sort of thing annoys me, I don't imagine that much can be done "Hello, officer, I left something under a tree in my local park, and someone came and took it. Can you please do something about it ?" after they stopped laughing, they would probably recommend that you quit leaving things under trees in your local park Quote Link to comment
+Prescott Patrol Posted August 9, 2010 Share Posted August 9, 2010 I hope someone . . . calls the law on them.as much as this sort of thing annoys me, I don't imagine that much can be done "Hello, officer, I left something under a tree in my local park, and someone came and took it. Can you please do something about it ?" after they stopped laughing, they would probably recommend that you quit leaving things under trees in your local park That's correct. As an LEO in the state where this happening (allegedly), the police won't do anything. By placing the item in the cache it can be argued that you have relinquished ownership. Quote Link to comment
+pamlicojack Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 I refuse to believe that they will return anything until they actually do so. I certainly hope I'm proven wrong and everything goes back to their rightful cache... Quote Link to comment
+pastor_b Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 . . . unless their IP is banned . . .I can see several problems with this people who have dial-up access get an IP address assigned when they connect it is issued from a pool of IP addresses owned by their provider another innocent user may get the offending IP address at a later time and the pirate is likely to get a different IP address the next time that they connect a similar situation exists with shared and/or public computers such as at a school or library an innocent user could get blocked due to a pirate having used the computer at an earlier time even in a home situation, one pirate family member could get innocent accounts owned by another family member blocked it's called consequences and responsibility... so you are "ok" with what the Black Hand posted??? Quote Link to comment
Bryan Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 I refuse to believe that they will return anything until they actually do so. I certainly hope I'm proven wrong and everything goes back to their rightful cache... I've been told that they just placed 1/2 of the missing trackables here: http://coord.info/GCW22N Confidence is high (in my office anyway). Quote Link to comment
+rosebud55112 Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 I refuse to believe that they will return anything until they actually do so. I certainly hope I'm proven wrong and everything goes back to their rightful cache... I've been told that they just placed 1/2 of the missing trackables here: http://coord.info/GCW22N Confidence is high (in my office anyway). As the owner of one of the pirated coins, I know that as of yesterday this member was holding at least ten TB/Coins. According to their profile, they still have all ten. None of the travelers has yet been logged out of this account. Of course, there's a difference between them logging the travelers into a cache and actually placing them in the cache. Quote Link to comment
+dfx Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 it's called consequences and responsibility... so you are "ok" with what the Black Hand posted??? you didn't get the point. it's not called consequences and responsibility, it's called technology. an IP ban wouldn't do any good at all. Quote Link to comment
+pastor_b Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 it's called consequences and responsibility... so you are "ok" with what the Black Hand posted??? you didn't get the point. it's not called consequences and responsibility, it's called technology. an IP ban wouldn't do any good at all. no, I don't think you get it sure, IP bans don't work.. His implication was that others using the same IP address would be effected I stand corrected Quote Link to comment
+Toojin Posted August 10, 2010 Share Posted August 10, 2010 I refuse to believe that they will return anything until they actually do so. I certainly hope I'm proven wrong and everything goes back to their rightful cache...I've been told that they just placed 1/2 of the missing trackables here:http://coord.info/GCW22N Confidence is high (in my office anyway). As the owner of one of the pirated coins, I know that as of yesterday this member was holding at least ten TB/Coins. According to their profile, they still have all ten. None of the travelers has yet been logged out of this account. Of course, there's a difference between them logging the travelers into a cache and actually placing them in the cache. All the travelers that The_Black_Hand has moved/discovered still show in their possesion... And did you see their note on their profile page "If this account is deleted, we will not only loot caches, but destroy them as well, and you will never see your trackable items again." That doesn't seem like mis-communication.... seems pretty clear to me... Quote Link to comment
+Tonyalynnm Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Wow what a *#@! person!! I don't see how this is anything but a hateful vindictive person for what ever reason. I am glad I live far far away from them. Quote Link to comment
+Celtic4ever Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Their account was banned... so how would they log the trackables out? Quote Link to comment
+Toojin Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 (edited) Their account was banned... so how would they log the trackables out? Well there's a really good question that I hadn't thought about... Except wait... Bryan said that it was a group of people. One of them can grab the items and drop them. Edited August 11, 2010 by Toojin Quote Link to comment
+Team Geo-Rangers Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 Trackables should be not locked. The thief probably did not log them in and so can resume their quest, once retrieved from somewhere else by another geocacher. Glad to hear that the South OC is safe to cache and leave trackables again! Quote Link to comment
+Eartha Posted August 11, 2010 Share Posted August 11, 2010 The trackables were not locked, the Black Hand Account was. Only Virtual Logging or Multiple Copies will get your Trackable locked. Quote Link to comment
+Droo Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 .... And did you see their note on their profile page "If this account is deleted, we will not only loot caches, but destroy them as well, and you will never see your trackable items again." That doesn't seem like mis-communication.... seems pretty clear to me... That statement was written to their profile page BEFORE they were banned.... part of the set up to represent themselves as some bad#$$ pirates of the geocaching world. However I still think it's all hype as we've seen similar hype here to curry interest in a cache. Heck we've seen coin designers do the same thing on the forums - I mean hyping it up not taking other people's trackables hostage. Quote Link to comment
+Droo Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 Their account was banned... so how would they log the trackables out? The trackables were collected before they got banned.... it's the comments they posted in the logs that brought all the attention down on their heads.... I'm thinking. Quote Link to comment
+t@ndre Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 no comments from my side.. its just sad Quote Link to comment
+matlock75 Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Still an idiot, or a stupid brainless creature.... Quote Link to comment
+Eartha Posted August 15, 2010 Share Posted August 15, 2010 Regardless of how we feel, can we please refrain from name calling? Quote Link to comment
+rosebud55112 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 I refuse to believe that they will return anything until they actually do so. I certainly hope I'm proven wrong and everything goes back to their rightful cache... I've been told that they just placed 1/2 of the missing trackables here: http://coord.info/GCW22N Confidence is high (in my office anyway). Three weeks later and only three of the nine geocoins that The Black Hand grabbed have been spotted in the wild again. Confidence may have been declared high prematurely. Quote Link to comment
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