Wanton vandalism

[Elmswood gardeners]

Hi Folks,

My first time using the forum so please be patient.

I live in England and just found this note entry for my 'Motorway mayhem M1 J26'. I am understandably insensed!!!!! Any suggestions of a tack I should take? Is this a common problem? Can thier accunt be disabbled at their ISB number?

Cheers, Elmswood Gardeners.

 

August 3 by brownturdy

 

We're back ;-) in actual fact really we never went away. We're just *very* patient....

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This has been "groped" (GROup for Environmental Protection). The container and it's contents have been removed and destroyed.

 

Your environmental vandalism will NOT be tolerated.

 

Before any of you morons bleat on about us removing this "geolitter" (your phrase not ours!), remember that dropping LITTER (ie these pathetic containers) is a CRIMINAL offence punishable by a fine up to £1,000.

 

So please, feel free, go into the police and make a complaint.

 

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96 and counting

[+Kryten]

It's happened before, and the best thing to do is keep quiet since they only do this to it take pleasure from your reaction.

[+redsox_mark]

This group is "known" on the UK forums; there is This thread.

[Elmswood gardeners]

This group is "known" on the UK forums; there is This thread.

Thanks for that I have read and posted onto thart thread. I will resist the temptation to reply and will simply replace the cache immediatly and prepare a stash of replacements nearby.

[+DragonsWest]

This group is "known" on the UK forums; there is This thread.

Thanks for that I have read and posted onto thart thread. I will resist the temptation to reply and will simply replace the cache immediatly and prepare a stash of replacements nearby.

 

The answer is to replace with Premium cache, puzzle final or evil hide.

[+t4e]

i am having a hard time finding anything official about this so called "GROup for Environmental Protection", are they official or just a bunch of bored people that are making their own rules?

 

if they are not official, they are the ones on the wrong side of the law

 

its very tempting to send a message, but i know that would just "feed" their egos

[+DragonsWest]

i am having a hard time finding anything official about this so called "GROup for Environmental Protection", are they official or just a bunch of bored people that are making their own rules?

 

if they are not official, they are the ones on the wrong side of the law

 

its very tempting to send a message, but i know that would just "feed" their egos

 

They have been discussed a few times in this forum. Along with "Earth Defender" up in the PacNorWest.

 

These isolated groups of idealogical fascists exist, in small numbers, if not solely, massaging their own egos for what a good little person they are by ruining outdoor fun for others. As long as geocaches follow park guidelines, these people 'grope' and 'earth defender' are the violators.

 

Do keep in mind, the warped sense of morals these people have means if the parks management people approve of geocaches then the so-called enviroment saviours will simply self appoint themselves over parks management as greater authorities - because, they know what's best for the environment.

[+lachupa]

Sorry to hear about this.

 

I don't suppose it would be in the proper spirit of geocaching to bait them with one of those exploding ink packets they put in bank bags during robberies?

 

I'm kidding

sort of

[+atmospherium]

This has been "groped" (GROup for Environmental Protection)

 

Umm, wouldn't that be "groep"? GRO+E+P. They are their own punchline.

[MisterEFQ]

Am I the only one who read the title of the thread and imagined somebody running into an asian buffet and destroying thier wantons?

 

But srsly, I cant believe people would do something like this. People advice of just ignoring those people is probably the best plan.

[+briansnat]

i am having a hard time finding anything official about this so called "GROup for Environmental Protection", are they official or just a bunch of bored people that are making their own rules?

 

if they are not official, they are the ones on the wrong side of the law

 

its very tempting to send a message, but i know that would just "feed" their egos

 

Probably isn't even a group. Probably one person. If it was an actual group they'd be doing a lot more damage.

[+DragonsWest]

i am having a hard time finding anything official about this so called "GROup for Environmental Protection", are they official or just a bunch of bored people that are making their own rules?

 

if they are not official, they are the ones on the wrong side of the law

 

its very tempting to send a message, but i know that would just "feed" their egos

 

Probably isn't even a group. Probably one person. If it was an actual group they'd be doing a lot more damage.

 

Happily, we get better PR than the No Fun Club does.

Edited August 5, 2010 by DragonsWest

[+jenny08_1015]

Sorry to hear about this.

 

I don't suppose it would be in the proper spirit of geocaching to bait them with one of those exploding ink packets they put in bank bags during robberies?

 

I'm kidding

sort of

 

Genius! Just have to make sure it's not an actual cacher seeking the cache!

[+DragonsWest]

Sorry to hear about this.

 

I don't suppose it would be in the proper spirit of geocaching to bait them with one of those exploding ink packets they put in bank bags during robberies?

 

I'm kidding

sort of

 

Genius! Just have to make sure it's not an actual cacher seeking the cache!

 

If that's your game, deactivate it as a geocache and leave the location vacant for at least a month.

 

No guarantee you will get your intended victim.

 

So think it over.

[+DragonflyTotem]

Am I the only one who read the title of the thread and imagined somebody running into an asian buffet and destroying thier wantons?

 

Which I believe is illegal in at least nine southern states.

 

Thanks for the laugh!

[knowschad]

Sorry to hear about this.

 

I don't suppose it would be in the proper spirit of geocaching to bait them with one of those exploding ink packets they put in bank bags during robberies?

 

I'm kidding

sort of

 

Genius! Just have to make sure it's not an actual cacher seeking the cache!

 

If that's your game, deactivate it as a geocache and leave the location vacant for at least a month.

 

No guarantee you will get your intended victim.

 

So think it over.

I know that we're all kidding here about a dye pack, but the topic of what to do with a cache "maggot" comes up here from time to time. The other day I was re-reading the Terms of Use and this point caught my eye:

 

You agree not to:

(j) "Stalk," harass, or otherwise harm another Site user.

 

Even a "cache maggot", if they have an account, is a Site User. But more important is the potential legal repercussions that could come from many sorts of retailiation.

[+bittsen]

I know that we're all kidding here about a dye pack, but the topic of what to do with a cache "maggot" comes up here from time to time. The other day I was re-reading the Terms of Use and this point caught my eye:

 

You agree not to:

(j) "Stalk," harass, or otherwise harm another Site user.

 

Even a "cache maggot", if they have an account, is a Site User. But more important is the potential legal repercussions that could come from many sorts of retailiation.

 

If you get caught.

[knowschad]

I know that we're all kidding here about a dye pack, but the topic of what to do with a cache "maggot" comes up here from time to time. The other day I was re-reading the Terms of Use and this point caught my eye:

 

You agree not to:

(j) "Stalk," harass, or otherwise harm another Site user.

 

Even a "cache maggot", if they have an account, is a Site User. But more important is the potential legal repercussions that could come from many sorts of retailiation.

 

If you get caught.

Cute, but read it again:

 

You agree not to:

(j) "Stalk," harass, or otherwise harm another Site user.

[+bittsen]

Cute, but read it again:

 

You agree not to:

(j) "Stalk," harass, or otherwise harm another Site user.

 

Agreements are broken all the time. The key is to not get caught breaking agreements.

[Elmswood gardeners]

Thanks for all your kind advice. Revenge was my first thought but ignoring them is actually more satisfying.

[+TeamAH3]

I live in England and just found this note entry for my 'Motorway mayhem M1 J26'. I am understandably insensed!!!!! Any suggestions of a tack I should take? Is this a common problem? Can thier accunt be disabbled at their ISB number?

Cheers, Elmswood Gardeners.

 

As others have pointed out, not feeding the trolls is probably the best approach. They do this solely to annoy people, claims of environmental activism are just part of the game. If they really had a political agenda they would be actively seeking to engage in debate, not simply trolling and then sitting back with popcorn to watch the results.

 

There might be some mileage in reporting thefts to the police. Unless they are posting all their logs from internet cafes they are actually fairly easily traceable - Groundspeak will have the IP address logged from the posts and, even if they are using floating IP addresses or dial-ups, the ISP they used will have records of which customer/telephone number was using the address at the time of the posting. So, if the police could actually be persuaded to take action finding them would probably be quite simple.

 

So, best advice is probably ignore them online and, provided your cache was legally placed, report it to the police. Maybe if they get enough complaints they'll do something.

[Bolivar Bill]

Sorry to hear about this.

 

I don't suppose it would be in the proper spirit of geocaching to bait them with one of those exploding ink packets they put in bank bags during robberies?

 

I'm kidding

sort of

 

Genius! Just have to make sure it's not an actual cacher seeking the cache!

 

If that's your game, deactivate it as a geocache and leave the location vacant for at least a month.

 

No guarantee you will get your intended victim.

 

So think it over.

I know that we're all kidding here about a dye pack, but the topic of what to do with a cache "maggot" comes up here from time to time. The other day I was re-reading the Terms of Use and this point caught my eye:

 

You agree not to:

(j) "Stalk," harass, or otherwise harm another Site user.

 

Even a "cache maggot", if they have an account, is a Site User. But more important is the potential legal repercussions that could come from many sorts of retailiation.

 

There must be something in the rules covering not stealing caches also. (W + W) = R.

(Two wrongs make a right.)

[Elmswood gardeners]

Hi Folks,

The vandals have even been reading this thread. Sending me a threatening E-Mail. Truly pathetic Eh? My Father-in-Law is a Police Sergeant so I will seek his advice on this matter.

Thanks for all the helpful advice.

[+bittsen]

Hi Folks,

The vandals have even been reading this thread. Sending me a threatening E-Mail. Truly pathetic Eh? My Father-in-Law is a Police Sergeant so I will seek his advice on this matter.

Thanks for all the helpful advice.

The vandal violated the TOS of geocaching.

[+Corfmania]

Agreements are broken all the time. The key is to not get caught breaking agreements.

 

That's pretty sad.

[+bittsen]

Agreements are broken all the time. The key is to not get caught breaking agreements.

 

That's pretty sad.

 

But true.

 

Anyone who has ever been late on a bill payment has broken an agreement.

[+FireRef]

Sorry to hear about this.

 

I don't suppose it would be in the proper spirit of geocaching to bait them with one of those exploding ink packets they put in bank bags during robberies?

 

I'm kidding

sort of

 

Genius! Just have to make sure it's not an actual cacher seeking the cache!

 

If that's your game, deactivate it as a geocache and leave the location vacant for at least a month.

 

No guarantee you will get your intended victim.

 

So think it over.

I know that we're all kidding here about a dye pack, but the topic of what to do with a cache "maggot" comes up here from time to time. The other day I was re-reading the Terms of Use and this point caught my eye:

 

You agree not to:

(j) "Stalk," harass, or otherwise harm another Site user.

 

Even a "cache maggot", if they have an account, is a Site User. But more important is the potential legal repercussions that could come from many sorts of retailiation.

 

Honestly, I would love to know how you are in any kind of defensible position if you stole the cache, and ended up getting dye all over yourself. A legitimate cacher might be upset, but wouldn't be stealing the cache. A person stealing them would have trouble filing a complaint - "I got this nasty dye all over me, but did it while stealing something...um... forget that complaint - have a nice day".