+Delta68 Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 Why isn't 'Needs Archive' an Instant Notifications option? It would be nice to be notified when someone posts a 'Needs Archive' because I am nosy! Thanks Mark
Motorcycle_Mama Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 Other that "being nosy" what possible reason could you have for getting these notifications?
+StarBrand Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 (edited) Other that "being nosy" what possible reason could you have for getting these notifications? Agreed - the NA log is really between the Cache Owner, a Reviewer and the one cacher that made the log. Also - Nobody expects for any NA log to have immidiate action - so whats the point? Edited May 21, 2010 by StarBrand
ao318 Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 The only reason I see it being of value is if someone posts an NA without posting or changing the cache to Temporarily Unavailable on the cache. This way you would have an idea that the cache is no longer availabe prior to a cache reviewer marking it unavailable and then eventually archiving it. Yet, if they utilize a program like GSAK they could filter out caches that have had DNF's or notes made to the cache.
+rob3k Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 I'd also like NA added to the notification options. I don't see a lot of difference between a notification on this vs. needs maintenance or even DNF as far as the nosiness factor is concerned.
+pppingme Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 Needs archived is usually more severe than a needs maint, so they SHOULD send notifications, the backwards logic here has never made sense to me. I get an email when a log is full, but if a property owner gets pissed, starts shooting at people that come around and another cacher logs a needs archived, I never get notified, so I'm driving toward a pissed off land owner and my phone email never beeps to let me know. [sarcasm]Yeah, that makes sense.[/sarcasm]
+StarBrand Posted May 21, 2010 Posted May 21, 2010 The only reason I see it being of value is if someone posts an NA without posting or changing the cache to Temporarily Unavailable on the cache. This way you would have an idea that the cache is no longer availabe prior to a cache reviewer marking it unavailable and then eventually archiving it. Yet, if they utilize a program like GSAK they could filter out caches that have had DNF's or notes made to the cache. Getting an NA log does not also mean the cache is missing or unavailable - just that some aspect of it appears to violate the guidelines and a reviewer needs to take another look at it. (maintenance/missing IS a guidelines issue)
ao318 Posted May 22, 2010 Posted May 22, 2010 (edited) The only reason I see it being of value is if someone posts an NA without posting or changing the cache to Temporarily Unavailable on the cache. This way you would have an idea that the cache is no longer availabe prior to a cache reviewer marking it unavailable and then eventually archiving it. Yet, if they utilize a program like GSAK they could filter out caches that have had DNF's or notes made to the cache. Getting an NA log does not also mean the cache is missing or unavailable - just that some aspect of it appears to violate the guidelines and a reviewer needs to take another look at it. (maintenance/missing IS a guidelines issue) I understand what you are saying, but here is an example of a cache that has not had any finds in awhile and a person tagged it as a NA. There was one note on the cache asking about it's status but no Needs Maintenance postings. On this example, the reviewer did make the cache unavailable on the same day as the NA so I did receive an update on that. But sometimes the reviewer or the cache owner may not make a change to the status of the cache until a later date. I personally do not care if this becomes a feature or not, I was just trying to give an example as to why it might be a valid request. I personally update my PQ's and filter out those that have a few DNF's, NM, NA, or are listed as unavailable prior to loading them into my GPS. Of course I may miss some but that is what I use my iPhone for. Edited May 22, 2010 by ao318
+beejay&esskay Posted May 22, 2010 Posted May 22, 2010 Any log that is publicly viewable should also be selectable for notifications. Arguments against this seem to be based on the thought that "Groundspeak must be right. How do I rationalize it?"
+BlueDeuce Posted May 22, 2010 Posted May 22, 2010 The only reason I see it being of value is if someone posts an NA without posting or changing the cache to Temporarily Unavailable on the cache. This way you would have an idea that the cache is no longer availabe prior to a cache reviewer marking it unavailable and then eventually archiving it. Yet, if they utilize a program like GSAK they could filter out caches that have had DNF's or notes made to the cache. Getting an NA log does not also mean the cache is missing or unavailable - just that some aspect of it appears to violate the guidelines and a reviewer needs to take another look at it. (maintenance/missing IS a guidelines issue) Sorry to disagree SB but a Needs Maintenance could mean that a cache is missing or unavailable, it just needs to be checked by the owner. A Needs Archive is one step higher and therefore is just as important if not more so. Whether or not the report is valid is second to simply being notified of the log. Once I get the notification I'll review the details and decide for myself, just like I do for a Needs Maintenance.
+DavidMac Posted May 22, 2010 Posted May 22, 2010 Other that "being nosy" what possible reason could you have for getting these notifications? Other than "being nosy" what possible reason could someone have for getting Needs Maintenance notifications? Other than "being nosy" what possible reason could someone have for getting Retract Listing notifications? Other than "being nosy" what possible reason could someone have for getting Found It notifications?
+Delta68 Posted May 22, 2010 Author Posted May 22, 2010 You may have noticed a thread in the UK forums where it mentions that someone is stealing caches and posts a Needs Archived. At the moment this is happening about 50 miles or so from us. I wanted to set up a Needs Archived notification so I would notice if these activities were getting closer and change all our caches to PMO if need be That's my only reason. I was a bit surprised that the option wasn't available... Thanks Mark
Motorcycle_Mama Posted May 22, 2010 Posted May 22, 2010 Other that "being nosy" what possible reason could you have for getting these notifications? Other than "being nosy" what possible reason could someone have for getting Needs Maintenance notifications? Because it will alert the cacher that there might be a problem with a cache before they go search it. They can read the Needs Maintenance log to see what issues were noted with the cache. Other than "being nosy" what possible reason could someone have for getting Retract Listing notifications? Because it will let a cacher know not to go out searching for the cache for which they have received a Publish Notification. Sometimes the Reviewer might push the "Publish" button before they meant to do so and will then "Retract" the cache listing. That's what the "Retract" notification is for. Other than "being nosy" what possible reason could someone have for getting Found It notifications? Because if you DNF'ed a cache you might want to find out if others were able to find it after you searched and their logs might provide you insight into helping you find it. That's why I asked the OP what the reasons would be. There might be some. AND the OP just posted what those were.
+simpjkee Posted May 23, 2010 Posted May 23, 2010 Other that "being nosy" what possible reason could you have for getting these notifications? Because it will alert the cacher that there might be a problem with a cache before they go search it. They can read the Needs Maintenance Archived log to see what issues were noted with the cache.
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