Bugsyboat Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 I've seen a few and was wondering if I go out there if I will find a Bench Mark. Thanks! Quote Link to comment
survey tech Posted August 27, 2002 Share Posted August 27, 2002 It means one was there at one time, but thats no guarantee its still there. Check the date on the map. If its old, consider whether or not the area has been developed. Concentrate on undeveloped properties. For example, a lot of the oldest ones I have found were set on church properties or municipal properties where they can easily remain undisturbed for decades, overseen and protected by those who maintain the properties. As a rule, the closer one is to a road, the less likely it is to survive. Quote Link to comment
+geofred Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 I asked USGS and got the following reply: Subj: Re: Benchmarks Date: 8/28/2002 6:01:10 AM Mountain Daylight Time From: ask@usgs.gov To: FEBERT@AOL.COM Sent from the Internet (Details) August 28, 2002 From USGS: The USGS is one of about 30 State and Federal agencies which might place Benchmarks and other cadastral survey markers that may appear on the map. Usually, there exists some sort of field monumentation according to the practices of the agency which left the marker. If the agency was the USGS or the National Geodetic Survey (formerly called USC&GS), then the measured position would usually have been marked by a brass or aluminum circular tablet about 4 inches in diameter and set in a concrete base. This might have been deliberately buried or later covered by leaves, brush, etc. Some of the markers have been destroyed by vandalizism or inadvertently covered or plowed up by construction or other earth-movement activities. USGS keeps paper records of the markers that its surveyors placed, and the records may be obtained by specifying the current USGS quad map that covers the area required. To the extent possible, USGS also records information about destroyed or missing markers if the public informs us. Depending on the amount of copying that is needed to fill a request, USGS may have to charge for the copies. The National Geodetic Survey has its geodetic control records online, and you can reach them at - link to "data sheets". In response, please use the e-mail address "Ask@USGS.gov". Thank you, Diane Brittle USGS Quote Link to comment
+rogbarn Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 quote:Originally posted by Bugsyboat:I've seen a few and was wondering if I go out there if I will find a Bench Mark. Thanks! One more thing to keep in mind is that a benchmark that shows on a topo map may not be in the NGS database which is used here. If it isn't in the database, then there is not much that can be done other than write the USGS (or whichever agency placed the benchmark) if you are so inclined. Quote Link to comment
+pssweeney Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 While at an undisclosed location in Maine, I went to find the 'BM' that was listed on the topo map of the area. Silly me. I thought I was looking for a standard disk. After a short time, of looking around the intersection of two rural roads, an elderly lady came out to see what I and my family was up to. When told about the benchmark, she asked if perhaps I was looking for the carved stone. What we found was an amazing stone something like a gravestone. It was a census marker. Every 10 years, some guy came through the area, took down the number of residents in the area, and carved the year into the stone to let other cencus taker know the are had already been done. The 1/2 hour talking to this lady was wonderful. She recounted the time when some one "from away" tried to steal the stone. That is why the location must be left as undisclosed Quote Link to comment
Cholo Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 quote:Originally posted by pssweeney:While at an undisclosed location in Maine, I went to find the 'BM' that was listed on the topo map of the area. Silly me. I thought I was looking for a standard disk. After a short time, of looking around the intersection of two rural roads, an elderly lady came out to see what I and my family was up to. When told about the benchmark, she asked if perhaps I was looking for the carved stone. What we found was an amazing stone something like a gravestone. It was a census marker. Every 10 years, some guy came through the area, took down the number of residents in the area, and carved the year into the stone to let other cencus taker know the are had already been done. The 1/2 hour talking to this lady was wonderful. She recounted the time when some one "from away" tried to steal the stone. That is why the location must be left as undisclosed Maine....hmmm?! Did the old lady say what happened to someone "from away"? I'll bet Stephen King knows what probably happened to this someone "from away". You were lucky, I suggest that you never return to that stone. Quote Link to comment
+n8aho Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 I found 4 benchmarks this morning, all placed in the same year. 3 I found on the massillon quad, the other one I did not see. Any reason why this would happen? Anyone else ever run into this? Jim Sommes-nous perdus encore? Quote Link to comment
survey tech Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 The mapping was done by the USGS and little if any effort was made to coordinate with the NGS. The USGS generally showed only those markers that they happened to use or find during their work. Some NGS markers are part of the USGS network, others are not. Quote Link to comment
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