+barryadams307 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Can u put a cach under water ??? and whats the best kind of contaner? Quote Link to comment
+J the Goat Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Can u put a cach under water ??? and whats the best kind of contaner? Yes. One that doesn't leak. Quote Link to comment
+Tequila Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Can u put a cach under water ??? and whats the best kind of contaner? Yes you can. The challenge is to use a container that will remain waterproof and not be so cool that someone is enticed to steal it. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Can u put a cach under water ??? and whats the best kind of contaner? Sure. There are underwater caches out there. Be sure to rate the terrain appropriately if special equipment is involved. As for what container, I'll leave that for those that have experience with hiding underwater containers to answer. Quote Link to comment
+StarBrand Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Yes - been done many many times. An ammobox with a good rubber seal works when weighted. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share Posted April 14, 2010 And i need a way to make sure it will stay in place, It will be at the base of a small dam, in a river the water really gets moving in high water Quote Link to comment
+Gitchee-Gummee Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 And i need a way to make sure it will stay in place, It will be at the base of a small dam, in a river the water really gets moving in high water Getting it to stay in place is going to be a tough nut to crack. Nothing can withstand fast moving water for any period of time. Unless you place the cache so that only those willing to swim/dive can get to it, everyday 'Joe' cachers are ultimately going to replace it wrong and/or not close and reseal it properly. Just food for thought. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share Posted April 14, 2010 ANYONE no where i can get an under water drill ????? Quote Link to comment
+swizzle Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 ANYONE no where i can get an under water drill ????? Why are you gonna drill a hole for a micro in a boulder? Swiz Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share Posted April 14, 2010 I was thinking about drilling a hole for a i bolt on the bottom it was a smoth rock bottom Quote Link to comment
+Lil Devil Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 I've seen ammo cans under water, but they have to be about 2/3 full of concrete to offset the buoyancy. That doesn't leave much room for swag. Quote Link to comment
+eigengott Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 And i need a way to make sure it will stay in place, It will be at the base of a small dam, in a river I think you want to read the guidelines first, considering you want to drill holes near a dam: Caches may be quickly archived if we see the following (which is not exhaustive):... - Caches that deface public or private property, whether a natural or man-made object, in order to provide a hiding place, a clue or a logging method. ... - Caches near, on or under public structures deemed potential or possible targets for terrorist attacks. These may include but are not limited to highway bridges, dams, government buildings, elementary and secondary schools, and airports. Source: http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#offlimit Quote Link to comment
+JohnE5 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 (edited) Grab a $12 pelican case from REI and some no-rot rope and tie it to a brick attached with a D clips and floater on the brick side of the rope. Toss it in the area you want. The waterproof case will float as high as the rope will allow and the d-clip will allow it to be removed with out pulling up the weight. The floater will keep the rope from the weight floating so you can easily find it for re-attachment. See the movie Splinterheads. The girl finds one just like that. Edited April 14, 2010 by JohnE5 Quote Link to comment
+spoggy298 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Geez, IDK if I'd put a cache in the water near a dam, wouldn't want someone to drown. Quote Link to comment
+Knight2000 Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 Our ammo can has a wire attached to a concrete block via a carabiner. It has always been completely dry. For backup it has a pelican container inside. I originally planned to just use a pelican box but the pelican info said that it is not meant to be continually submerged. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 14, 2010 Author Share Posted April 14, 2010 the water is only like 4 to 6 ft deep and its a small river mater a fact the name of the river is lil river Quote Link to comment
+Danbike_Lizbike Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 The cache has been archived because of the ALR issue, but we had one 130' down in Lake Michigan on a bouy line to a wreck. One local diver did make the only find before it was archived. Quote Link to comment
+Scuba4jews Posted April 14, 2010 Share Posted April 14, 2010 A dive flag screw type anchor will keep it from floating away, and a lot easier to carry than weights. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 16, 2010 Author Share Posted April 16, 2010 what is ALR issue ??? Quote Link to comment
+modnar24 Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 what is ALR issue ??? Additional logging requirement. It means that in order to log a find online, the only requirements can be to find the cache, write your name in the log book, and replace it. The cache owner cannot require you to submit photos, describe surrounding area, wear chicken suits, etc... Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Underwater drill? Dam? This cache idea has "DISASTER" written all over it. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Underwater drill? Dam? This cache idea has "DISASTER" written all over it. Dear Sir,I would like to sink a geocache in the lake above your dam. To do so I will only need to drill a small hole in your dam to anchor the cache. You won't even be able to see it. Really. Thank you, Geo Cacher What, you don't think that permission would be granted? By the way... What did the fish say when he bumped his nose against concrete? "Dam" Quote Link to comment
+swizzle Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 I'm having a bit of problems wrapping my head around the ALR thing. An underwater cache requires that you dive below the water to get the cache. Isn't that an additional logging requirement? The same question goes with nudie caches, and that one out in the ocean that you need an ROV to retrieve? I have plans to set up an underwater cache in the near future. I like bending the rules. I have the container all set and ready to go. Swiz Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 (edited) I'm having a bit of problems wrapping my head around the ALR thing. An underwater cache requires that you dive below the water to get the cache. Isn't that an additional logging requirement? The same question goes with nudie caches, and that one out in the ocean that you need an ROV to retrieve? I have plans to set up an underwater cache in the near future. I like bending the rules. I have the container all set and ready to go. Swiz No, ALR has nothing to do with getting to the cache. An Additional Logging Requirement would be the CO saying that once you sign the cache you must email him a code word found in the cache, else if you don't he will delete your log. In other words there is an additional task you must perform besides just finding the cache in order to log it. Groundspeak decided that finding the cache and signing the log was the only requirement to claim a find, and thus banned ALRs. Having to rent a submarine to get to the cache is not a logging requirement, that's a FINDING requirement and not at all related. Edited April 16, 2010 by TheAlabamaRambler Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I'm having a bit of problems wrapping my head around the ALR thing. An underwater cache requires that you dive below the water to get the cache. Isn't that an additional logging requirement? The same question goes with nudie caches, and that one out in the ocean that you need an ROV to retrieve? I have plans to set up an underwater cache in the near future. I like bending the rules. I have the container all set and ready to go. Swiz No, ALR has nothing to do with getting to the cache. An Additional Logging Requirement would be the CO saying that once you sign the cache you must email him a code word found in the cache, else if you don't he will delete your log. In other words there is an additional task you must perform besides just finding the cache in order to log it. Groundspeak decided that finding the cache and signing the log was the only requirement to claim a find, and thus banned ALRs. Having to rent a submarine to get to the cache is not a logging requirement, that's a FINDING requirement and not at all related. I suppose the ALR could be that after you find an underwater cache and sign the log, you will need to resurface. Of course if you don't resurface YOU would be deleted. Quote Link to comment
+Too Tall John Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I might have found something like what is being described. Picture a cache hanging over a small dam (one could jump from one side to the other) suspended by a piece of braided wire that is anchored above the dam. With water coming over the dam, the wire is almost invisible. The container itself is actually two bison tubes. The larger outer tube opens from the bottom, something I'd recommend if you're going to do this because it'll work sort of like a diver's bell & the air trapped inside won't let water come in further. What I'm talking about looks much like this: The second one is smaller, the size of this one: Of course, if this is something that I had actually found, I could say with some certainty that I would have almost DNFed it, but it would have been one of my favorite caches of the day. If I had actually found such a cache. Quote Link to comment
+cache crop Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 Can u put a cach under water ??? and whats the best kind of contaner? One of our favourite caches ever was under the end of a floating walkway through some lovely wetlands. It was attached to the underside of the walkway and weighted so you couldn't see it..had to feel underneath for the fishing line. The container was inside a bag that is normally used for carrying cameras etc in a canoe or kayak in case they fall overboard. Check the canoe/kayak stores. Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I like bending the rules. Do you like ruining things for other people? The guidelines are there to protect the game so we can all continue to enjoy it. "Bending the rules" could have serious consequences for people other than yourself. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 I'm having a bit of problems wrapping my head around the ALR thing. An underwater cache requires that you dive below the water to get the cache. Isn't that an additional logging requirement? The same question goes with nudie caches, and that one out in the ocean that you need an ROV to retrieve? ALR means a requirement to do something in addition to logging the cache to get your smiley. The difficulty in retrieving and logging the cache is not an additional requirement. The only difference between walking to a cache, and using a ROV, is in the equipment. Quote Link to comment
+Rainbow Spirit Posted April 17, 2010 Share Posted April 17, 2010 (edited) I have a cache that is placed underwater in a local pond, it is a stainless steel thermos flask. It is weighted with some heavy U bolts and is painted the same colour as the bottom of the pond. It is not 100% waterproof, so the log is in a separate container, and all the original swaps are plastic toys. It is tied to a tree root (with fishing line) that is under the water, so nothing is in sight. Another, now inactive local cacher, had a submarine cache made out of PVC pipe, you had to find wpt1 which was a remote contol for the submarine, when you operated the RC the sub would surface for the caching duties. It can be seen on the Cool Cache Containers thread on this site. Or look up GCBD87, it is now an archived cache. Edited April 17, 2010 by Rainbow Spirit Quote Link to comment
+swizzle Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I like bending the rules. Do you like ruining things for other people? The guidelines are there to protect the game so we can all continue to enjoy it. "Bending the rules" could have serious consequences for people other than yourself. There's a big difference between bending and breaking the rules. I have no intentions of putting any cachers in danger or into any kind of trouble. Happy Cachin' Swiz Quote Link to comment
+Beauges Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I like bending the rules. Do you like ruining things for other people? The guidelines are there to protect the game so we can all continue to enjoy it. "Bending the rules" could have serious consequences for people other than yourself. There's a big difference between bending and breaking the rules. I have no intentions of putting any cachers in danger or into any kind of trouble. Happy Cachin' Swiz If you can do it go for it. If people don't want to get wet or are scared they dont have to go for it. Quote Link to comment
+EscapeFromFlatland Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I keep thinking a good title for this cache will be "The little dutch boy" Quote Link to comment
+popokiiti Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 A local cacher placed a cache underwater - he also placed a retrieval tool close by. We zipped out to find it after it was enabled and before the retrieval tool was mentioned in the description. Quick dash home got us what we needed, and we signed the log. This wasn't near a dam, small or large. It has become a summer only cache now, but it was a blast trying to find it...and great when we did. Wasn't large and if you want more info, pm me. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 20, 2010 Author Share Posted April 20, 2010 i dont like eazy cachs there for the kids or for the ones that cant get away from there kids !!! i want one where i need to bring my indinana jones hat or take it off befor i get it wet this cach will be under water like 4 to 6 ft of water and i was thinking about putting a ammo can in an ammo can tied to a big brick to the bottom. and hell its a good swimming hole too when no one is fishing there i jump off the dam all the time but u got to jump right or ur going to get hurt jumping off a 15 ft dam into about 4 to 6 ft of water Quote Link to comment
+andGuest Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I have a cache that has been in the water for nearly 2 years with only minor leakage. I have a lock and lock container that I used Vaseline around the rubber ring on top to make it water tight. The one time that it had minor leakage I just went and relubed it with Vaseline. As for the flotation problem I put some nuts and bolts in the cache to weight it down. Like I said it has served me well so far. For what it is worth the cache is in a small river in the northest (Pennsylvania) so itgoes through some changes in water temperature throughout the year. Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 21, 2010 Author Share Posted April 21, 2010 i used a 50 cal ammo can and just a condaner i had in my truck ill see how that dose for now im going to wait till someone finds it or the water warms up to check it lol Quote Link to comment
+MusicalSleep Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 havent you seen splinterheads on the front of the site? its in the movies its automatically real duh! funny whatnot aside, i wish somebody hid a underwater one by me Quote Link to comment
+bflentje Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 i dont like eazy cachs there for the kids or for the ones that cant get away from there kids !!! i want one where i need to bring my indinana jones hat or take it off befor i get it wet this cach will be under water like 4 to 6 ft of water and i was thinking about putting a ammo can in an ammo can tied to a big brick to the bottom. and hell its a good swimming hole too when no one is fishing there i jump off the dam all the time but u got to jump right or ur going to get hurt jumping off a 15 ft dam into about 4 to 6 ft of water Me too. What, you writing this post on your Blackberry or something? Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 22, 2010 Author Share Posted April 22, 2010 i placed the cach but there is a darn mico or nano cach that is too close to where i have to put mine this suck !!!! what should i do ???? Quote Link to comment
+niraD Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 i placed the cach but there is a darn mico or nano cach that is too close to where i have to put mine this suck !!!! what should i do ????Find a spot that isn't so close to another cache, and move your cache there. Quote Link to comment
+Sol seaker Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 And i need a way to make sure it will stay in place, It will be at the base of a small dam, in a river the water really gets moving in high water Some rivers are highly dangerous at the base of dams at the right water levels. If you place the cache at the base of a dam, be aware of the danger, and know you may put someone's life in jeopardy who isn't aware of the danger. Be sure to post on your cache page that it is a very dangerous cache at certain water levels, so some gung-ho cacher doesn't go out and kill themselves trying to find your cache. Why not pick somewhere a little safer? Quote Link to comment
+Sol seaker Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 (edited) Look up "low-head dam" on the internet for a picture. If it's a low head dam, it's also called a "killing machine" or "drowning machine" Be sure it's not a low-head dam Edited April 23, 2010 by Sol seaker Quote Link to comment
+barryadams307 Posted April 27, 2010 Author Share Posted April 27, 2010 its safe i swimm there all the time the river is only like 30 ft wide and like 5 ft deep and thats the only good spot on the lil river to put it would u rater find a cool cach under water by a dam or a realy eazy nano cach ??? Quote Link to comment
+Chokecherry Posted April 27, 2010 Share Posted April 27, 2010 I'd rather not get sucked away by undercurrents during the rainy times of year. And if placing a cache I would rather not place one on a dam or near a dam in the water which can be as problematic as placing something on an underpass for suspicion issues. Never mind the safety issues. We have a dam near here which is only about 30-40 feet wide depending on season and pretty shallow but there have been numerous issues where the undercurrents speed up and take people under or out on either side of the dam. And just because everyone does it does not make it safe. Personally I quite enjoyed my dam cache last weekend which included a nice walk in the woods to a well hidden cache which was really well maintained. I got to see the dam and experience. And then the same person hid another one well up river away from the dam as well for those that wanted to be somewhere where they could safely swim etc. I believe there are numerous more options than the threat of a nano or underwater cache.... Quote Link to comment
+BCandMsKitty Posted April 28, 2010 Share Posted April 28, 2010 its safe i swimm there all the time the river is only like 30 ft wide and like 5 ft deep and thats the only good spot on the lil river to put it would u rater find a cool cach under water by a dam or a realy eazy nano cach ??? doesnt matter which id rater find if theres another cach already there ur out of luck Quote Link to comment
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