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Personally I feel like my beliefs (or rather, complete and total lack thereof) are strong enough to withstand any crumpled pieces of paper I might find in an ammo can in the woods. But apparently lots of people aren't. :smile:

 

I also agree with the person who said above they'd trade for Chick tracts because they find them hilarious despite not believing a word of it, but I've yet to find one in my local area up north. Visiting my relatives in the South, however, you find something along those lines in pretty much every cache.

I call bullhonkery on the bolded part. In seven years I've found thousands of caches in every southern state (28 states, actually) and never seen a single one. If not for this forum I would never have even heard of them.

 

I've seen only two, but in significantly less caches. (I traded them out.)

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I don't think that anyone outside of the owner's of Groundspeak (and I have a completely unsubstantiated suspicion that he may be one) and Mtn-Man can speak with more authority than he.

Keystone isn't an owner from what I know. There are three, and they are listed on the Groundspeak page.

 

I speak with no more authority than Keystone. We are both volunteers and happen to be crazy enough agreed to be Global Moderators in the forums. We both review caches. We both carry a lot of experience with geocaching, the guidelines and real world experience, but there are plenty of other site volunteers with as much or more of that than the two of us. We answer to Groundspeak Lackeys (direct employees), but they pretty much trust that Keystone and I will do what is right for the most part (have made mistakes before, oh yeah). I just wanted to set that part straight.

 

Of course, I do what the puppymonster tells me, so what can I say.

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So swag is different from trackables in once sense, but in another not so much.

Wasn't there a discussion a while back about if trackables were considered trade items, specifically when it came to Travel Bug Hotels? I seem to remember it being made crystal clear at that time that trackables were the property of the owner, were intended to be moved, and therefore were not considered a trade item or as "swag".

 

I'm not trying to imply otherwise, I'm just saying that with the recent clarifications there is at least one aspect where the two cross paths:

 

What should never be attached to a Travel Bug?

Because Travel Bugs are created to travel to many geocaches, the guidelines for Geocache Contents do apply to Travel Bugs. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages. Explosives, fireworks, ammunition, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache, whether attached to a Travel Bug tag or otherwise. Food items are always a bad idea.

 

http://www.geocaching.com/track/travelbugfaq.aspx

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I am not surprised that some would find a religious tract to be personally offensive. However, I am somewhat surprised to discover that there is at least on person who finds them not to be family friendly.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with that poster's position that matters of faith are to be taught at home. However, given that caching is a family activity, it stands to reason we have not got a lot of young children out finding caches on their own and being exposed to tracts without their parent's attendance and ability to guide. In other words, teaching at home.

 

If someone's faith is so weak that a small pamphlet will alter it, is it faith at all? Even if that faith is one held in the negative, i.e. there is NOT a such-and-so, or this-and-such is NOT the truth.

 

Anyway, I am a Christian, and our church has a very large children's program where parents intentionally have their children taught about our religion. It's somewhat difficult to say that a pamphlet recommending that same religion isn't family friendly. It may not be fun. I get that completely. But there is enormous evidence to the contrary about such a tract not being family friendly.

 

It will at worst challenge a faith and give parent's a teaching opportunity and at best, well I don't know what it will do at best. I've never heard of anyone being converted to Christianity as the result of reading a tract. So I guess at best, it'll have pretty pictures to look at.

 

For full disclosure: I like ponies, blue bows AND pink flowers, bacon, beer, and most especially donuts. I'm not real keen on hamsters and hope never to come across one in a cache.

 

- Zurfco

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I am not surprised that some would find a religious tract to be personally offensive.

I wholeheartedly agree with that poster's position that matters of faith are to be taught at home. However, given that caching is a family activity, it stands to reason we have not got a lot of young children out finding caches on their own and being exposed to tracts without their parent's attendance and ability to guide. In other words, teaching at home.

 

If someone's faith is so weak that a small pamphlet will alter it, is it faith at all? Even if that faith is one held in the negative, i.e. there is NOT a such-and-so, or this-and-such is NOT the truth.

 

Anyway, I am a Christian, and our church has a very large children's program where parents intentionally have their children taught about our religion. It's somewhat difficult to say that a pamphlet recommending that same religion isn't family friendly. It may not be fun. I get that completely. But there is enormous evidence to the contrary about such a tract not being family friendly.

 

It will at worst challenge a faith and give parent's a teaching opportunity and at best, well I don't know what it will do at best. I've never heard of anyone being converted to Christianity as the result of reading a tract. So I guess at best, it'll have pretty pictures to look at.

 

For full disclosure: I like ponies, blue bows AND pink flowers, bacon, beer, and most especially donuts. I'm not real keen on hamsters and hope never to come across one in a cache.

 

- Zurfco

 

i just sent my girl friend some pink roses, and i just ate donut& a bacon cheese biscut

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I'm very confused why reviewers haven't stepped into this conversation to nail that down one way or the other. That should stop a lot of the insanity.
Most reviewers skip threads like this. It is more fun to publish new caches, and to go out and find them.

 

I am a forum moderator so I am rather obligated to keep tabs on threads like this. I try to limit my participation since I am also an evangelical Christian. Although I don't leave religious trade items in caches, they are the only swag that I will ever trade for.

 

I can, however, speak without bias as to what the listing guidelines say, and about historic statistics. In that regard, I'd like to say that Jackalgirl's posts to this thread have been excellent. The analysis is dead-on accurate from this reviewer's perspective.

 

In seven years of reviewing caches and discussing them with other reviewers, I am not aware of a single instance where a cache has been disabled or archived because a visitor to the cache left religious trade items in it. I am, however, aware of examples where caches have been disabled because a visitor to the cache left trade items described in the "Cache Contents" section of the listing guidelines.

 

I hope you are no longer confused, Mushtang. :smile:

I appreciate your reply, and that does explain a bit why back on page 1 or 2 you didn't come in and say, "Narcissa, you're wrong. A trade item CAN have an agenda." And I'm sure someone would have pointed to that post of yours and somehow claimed it as evidence that a trade item is not allowed to have an agenda anyway.

 

But to reply to your last point, I walk around confused almost all the time, but thanks for trying.

 

However, it's still quite obvious to me that trade items CAN promote an agenda, but a the cache itself cannot. I'm very confused why reviewers haven't stepped into this conversation to nail that down one way or the other. That should stop a lot of the insanity.
It won't stop the insanity. This has been discussed many times before. Some of the people bickering have participated in some of these past discussions. I don't know how many times the answer has to be repeated.

 

The cache cannot promote an agenda. The cache listing guidelines address this. Groundspeak has no control over trade items after the cache is listed. The community must police itself. If you see an item you know or feel it is questionable, then trade something for it. I've done that. Simple.

 

Travel bugs can have an agenda, as long as it isn't profanity laced or has pornographic images, etc. on the TBug page and things like that. If you want to send out a TBug that promotes something you feel strongly about, then do it. Keep it G-Rated. You will have no issues from Groundspeak from what I know.

Agreed. There's no guideline against leaving religious (or other agenda pushing) items in a cache, and there's not one against removing those items just because you personally don't like them and want to protect your fellow man.
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I would like to take a moment to thank the Moderators for weighing in on this subject. This thread has made for some interesting reading. I believe there has been something posted here to suit everyones need.

 

The puritans,liberals, believers, non-believers,fans of Springer, those with a sense of humor, and those without.

 

I have gotten several chuckles out of it myself. Even the Cat in the Hat was amusing.(I do have a sense humor.)

 

I think what amuses me the most though, is what has not been said. So If I may let me offer another "point to ponder"

 

Laws have been passed to prevent killing. Has the killing stopped??

 

Laws have been passed to prevent stealing. Has the theft stopped??

 

The debate over abortion rages on, and many would have laws enacted to prevent it. Do you think that will make it stop??

 

So what purpose is it going to serve if we pass a Federal Law against leaving Religious material in a Geocache?? Think it will stop??

 

I believe the only thing it will accomplish is giving "some" the grounds to point and say "S/He broke the law", and then begin the difficult task of having them arrested and tried. IF you can determine who the guilty party actually is.

 

Laws against theft, killing, ect... only serve to deter those who either have a conscience that accepts the act is "illegal", or fear the punishment for being caught! (I am assuming most violators do not recognize the first, and probably do not really fear the punishment, except in regard to being caught)

 

The same applies to the Guidelines. If you dont believe it really declares it "illegal" or don't agree, you are going to ignore it.

 

Pertaining to the hypothetical "law" against leaving, not just Religious material, but lets expand it to "any" material which has a percieved agenda...who is going to define it, police it,make an "arrest", try the accused, and decide the punishment?

 

Just throwing out something to think about that occured to me. (and laughing to myself thinking "this is just a game, people"

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I am not surprised that some would find a religious tract to be personally offensive.

I wholeheartedly agree with that poster's position that matters of faith are to be taught at home. However, given that caching is a family activity, it stands to reason we have not got a lot of young children out finding caches on their own and being exposed to tracts without their parent's attendance and ability to guide. In other words, teaching at home.

 

If someone's faith is so weak that a small pamphlet will alter it, is it faith at all? Even if that faith is one held in the negative, i.e. there is NOT a such-and-so, or this-and-such is NOT the truth.

 

Anyway, I am a Christian, and our church has a very large children's program where parents intentionally have their children taught about our religion. It's somewhat difficult to say that a pamphlet recommending that same religion isn't family friendly. It may not be fun. I get that completely. But there is enormous evidence to the contrary about such a tract not being family friendly.

 

It will at worst challenge a faith and give parent's a teaching opportunity and at best, well I don't know what it will do at best. I've never heard of anyone being converted to Christianity as the result of reading a tract. So I guess at best, it'll have pretty pictures to look at.

 

For full disclosure: I like ponies, blue bows AND pink flowers, bacon, beer, and most especially donuts. I'm not real keen on hamsters and hope never to come across one in a cache.

 

- Zurfco

 

i just sent my girl friend some pink roses, and i just ate donut& a bacon cheese biscut

 

I like your girl friend too. But, you know, just like like. Not in that special way.

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Ya' know, I'm no prude. But it's really starting to bug me to keep seeing the word after "Religious" in the name of this thread. I thought there were filters here that prevented such things?

 

Maybe if they changed it to "Religulous" you be less offended. :smile:

 

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Ya' know, I'm no prude. But it's really starting to bug me to keep seeing the word after "Religious" in the name of this thread. I thought there were filters here that prevented such things?
Maybe if they changed it to "Religulous" you be less offended. :smile:

 

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:) I think he's talking about the fish, not the chimps. . .

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Ha ha! Get it? Fish 'n' Chimps. Like Fish 'n' Chips, but . . .

 

:laughing:

 

:laughing:

 

 

Oh, nevermind. :anibad:

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Okay, here's where I'm saying the derailment is happening (and thus contributing to the derailment by explaining myself, yay me. Hey, look I'm getting all verbose.)

 

Narcissa's has said that her position hinges on her interpretation of the agenda guidelines as they apply to caches. She believes (right or wrong) that the agenda guideline includes physical cache contents. She has also said, more than once, that she acknowledges the lack of agenda guidelines in regards to trackables. She's not trying to impose any agenda guidelines on trackables. Logically, since trackables travel through caches she is not including trackables (agenda or not) in her belief (right or wrong) that physical contents fall under the cache agenda guidelines.

 

For what it's worth, swag can travel through caches too -- it just (generally) isn't trackable. What I mean by this is that I keep most of the swag for which I trade in my caching bag, and trade it for other swag down the line. (Well, not extensively as you can see by my find record, but that's the idea.)

 

It might be different if, say, a CO (or someone else) were replenishing a cache with a never-ending supply of agenda-ridden items, as opposed to the occassional piece of swag, so that the cache itself became, say, the local outpost for geocaching prostelyzation. That's a pretty extreme situation and I don't think that's what we've been discussing here.

 

In regards to the argument, though, that swag is goverened by the guidelines for caches, I'd have to say "but swag already has its own section in the guidelines, 'Cache Contents'". Plus, I'd point out (as I already have) that unless caches are actually archived or threatened with archival (or disabling) due to their (agenda-ridden) contents, that narcissa's belief that this could happen is incorrect.

 

You have made a very intelligent and well-spoken post. There are a few others that have simply chimed in with "butwaddbout trackables, huh? Well? Huh? JEEEP!!!! JEEEEEEEEP!!!! DIABETES!!!!!!" as some sort of insurmountable proof and ultimate nullifier against narcissa's point of view (right or wrong). In my mind, that is what I think is the crux of the derailification. The point was brought up, addressed by the opinion holder- yet it pops up again.

 

Thank you for the compliment! : ) I'd like to repeat, though, that I don't think that the discussion of trackables is a derail, per se. It is germane to the topic, though narcissa maintains that it isn't. But if you're going to make that statement (that is, "trackables do actually have something to do with this discusson, despite narcissa's assertion otherwise"), it's important to say why.

 

But really, this could all be taken care of if everybody just followed some really simple and basic advice:

 

When you find something that doesn't seem quite right to you, trade it out.

 

 

I am in total agreement with you here. This is a simple, effective, brilliant solution. Unsatisfyingly angst-free, tho. ; )

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Just throwing out something to think about that occured to me. (and laughing to myself thinking "this is just a game, people"

So those of us that are reading this thread, and/or participating in it, are taking this too seriously? Or because it's a game we shouldn't even be bothered to discuss it in the first place?

 

I've never understood someone posting something like that in these forums during a discussion. Of course it's a game, but why should that stop us from discussing aspects of it and having fun debating it to whatever degree we wish?

 

To me it's very close to the people that come in and suggest that we all "just go caching" instead of talking about something in the forums.

 

They both seem very arrogant and condescending.

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Just throwing out something to think about that occured to me. (and laughing to myself thinking "this is just a game, people"

So those of us that are reading this thread, and/or participating in it, are taking this too seriously? Or because it's a game we shouldn't even be bothered to discuss it in the first place?

 

I've never understood someone posting something like that in these forums during a discussion. Of course it's a game, but why should that stop us from discussing aspects of it and having fun debating it to whatever degree we wish?

 

To me it's very close to the people that come in and suggest that we all "just go caching" instead of talking about something in the forums.

 

They both seem very arrogant and condescending.

 

I personally read that particular comment as a reaction to the high levels of angst in the thread, not as a reaction to the thread itself. In other words, it's not that people shouldn't discuss these things at all, but that it's not worth getting so incredibly bent out of shape that the thread devolves into bickering, personalized attacks/arguments or (gasp!) sarcasm. ; )

 

I do realize that it is fulfilling to be outraged by stuff*; on the other hand, I think it isn't wrong to point out, from time to time, that a little perspective is a good thing to have when you're choosing topics about which to be outraged.

 

*I don't mean this sarcastically. I just think that it's a great American** pastime to be outraged.

 

**Not limited to Americans, of course.

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It might be different if, say, a CO (or someone else) were replenishing a cache with a never-ending supply of agenda-ridden items, as opposed to the occassional piece of swag, so that the cache itself became, say, the local outpost for geocaching prostelyzation. That's a pretty extreme situation and I don't think that's what we've been discussing here.

 

Agreed

 

In regards to the argument, though, that swag is goverened by the guidelines for caches, I'd have to say "but swag already has its own section in the guidelines, 'Cache Contents'". Plus, I'd point out (as I already have) that unless caches are actually archived or threatened with archival (or disabling) due to their (agenda-ridden) contents, that narcissa's belief that this could happen is incorrect.

 

Okay, I may have screwed up. In my brain "cache contents" is a sub-section of the guidelines for caches themselvs. I can't remember if that's true or not.

 

Thank you for the compliment! : ) I'd like to repeat, though, that I don't think that the discussion of trackables is a derail, per se. It is germane to the topic, though narcissa maintains that it isn't. But if you're going to make that statement (that is, "trackables do actually have something to do with this discusson, despite narcissa's assertion otherwise"), it's important to say why.

 

I don't agree with narcissa's opinion to the extreme degree that she does. I just think that the repeated calls of "but what about UFD TBs!" weren't addressing her point of view- especially after she clarified her position in regards to trackables.

 

I'll stop trying to explain narcissa's POV and let her do that going forward.

 

I see your points and I appreciate your rational discussion.

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Just throwing out something to think about that occured to me. (and laughing to myself thinking "this is just a game, people"

So those of us that are reading this thread, and/or participating in it, are taking this too seriously? Or because it's a game we shouldn't even be bothered to discuss it in the first place?

 

I've never understood someone posting something like that in these forums during a discussion. Of course it's a game, but why should that stop us from discussing aspects of it and having fun debating it to whatever degree we wish?

 

To me it's very close to the people that come in and suggest that we all "just go caching" instead of talking about something in the forums.

 

They both seem very arrogant and condescending.

 

I personally read that particular comment as a reaction to the high levels of angst in the thread, not as a reaction to the thread itself. In other words, it's not that people shouldn't discuss these things at all, but that it's not worth getting so incredibly bent out of shape that the thread devolves into bickering, personalized attacks/arguments or (gasp!) sarcasm. ; )

 

I do realize that it is fulfilling to be outraged by stuff*; on the other hand, I think it isn't wrong to point out, from time to time, that a little perspective is a good thing to have when you're choosing topics about which to be outraged.

 

*I don't mean this sarcastically. I just think that it's a great American** pastime to be outraged.

 

**Not limited to Americans, of course.

 

Well said.

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In other words, it's not that people shouldn't discuss these things at all, but that it's not worth getting so incredibly bent out of shape that the thread devolves into bickering, personalized attacks/arguments or (gasp!) sarcasm. ; )

 

I was gonna call you Judy, but you didn't include name calling. I will work on my bickering and attack skills and get back with you. :smile:

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Just throwing out something to think about that occured to me. (and laughing to myself thinking "this is just a game, people"

So those of us that are reading this thread, and/or participating in it, are taking this too seriously? Or because it's a game we shouldn't even be bothered to discuss it in the first place?

 

I've never understood someone posting something like that in these forums during a discussion. Of course it's a game, but why should that stop us from discussing aspects of it and having fun debating it to whatever degree we wish?

 

To me it's very close to the people that come in and suggest that we all "just go caching" instead of talking about something in the forums.

 

They both seem very arrogant and condescending.

 

I personally read that particular comment as a reaction to the high levels of angst in the thread, not as a reaction to the thread itself. In other words, it's not that people shouldn't discuss these things at all, but that it's not worth getting so incredibly bent out of shape that the thread devolves into bickering, personalized attacks/arguments or (gasp!) sarcasm. ; )

 

I do realize that it is fulfilling to be outraged by stuff*; on the other hand, I think it isn't wrong to point out, from time to time, that a little perspective is a good thing to have when you're choosing topics about which to be outraged.

 

*I don't mean this sarcastically. I just think that it's a great American** pastime to be outraged.

 

**Not limited to Americans, of course.

 

 

Thank you JG. I believe you got the message.

 

So those of us that are reading this thread, and/or participating in it, are taking this too seriously?
Yes!

 

 

Or because it's a game we shouldn't even be bothered to discuss it in the first place?

Not what I meant.

 

They both seem very arrogant and condescending.

 

Your post seems like you are just looking for something to be offended by. And someone to be offended at. And someone to argue with. If your choice is me, you might as well look elsewhere, cause I ain't playin'.

It astounds me that of all I said in that post, that was all you got out of it. The rest you just glossed over.

edit to add- Castle I did not intend to take the thread on a little detour with my comment. The context I said it in was to point out the futility of passing a law with the belief it will stop just because of that.

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Standing in a long grocery line today and with nothing better to do, I asked the man behind me what he thought about religious items in a cache. He blinked a few times and said " Why would I care? and why would you even bring that up?" I said that was what I thought to, I just wanted to see what you thought. There are actually grown people arguing about this on the fourms. Once again he stood there blinking at me and said "You and them are nuts." Once again I verified we were thinking alike.

 

El Diablo

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Standing in a long grocery line today and with nothing better to do, I asked the man behind me what he thought about religious items in a cache. He blinked a few times and said " Why would I care? and why would you even bring that up?" I said that was what I thought to, I just wanted to see what you thought. There are actually grown people arguing about this on the fourms. Once again he stood there blinking at me and said "You and them are nuts." Once again I verified we were thinking alike.

 

El Diablo

Best post of the thread, thank you Jerry! It always helps when we are reminded of how silly we are getting! :smile:

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Standing in a long grocery line today

 

Once again he stood there blinking at me and said "You and them are nuts." Once again I verified we were thinking alike.

 

El Diablo

I've had people tell me that too. It wasn't in line though. I was standing in front of the Lock & Locks opening them, closing them, and squeezing them listening for that "puff" sound. Don't try to explain geocaching in the food storage aisle. They'll think you are joking. When you tell them you aren't then you get a weird look and a "You and them are nuts."

 

You think I'm kidding?

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In other words, it's not that people shouldn't discuss these things at all, but that it's not worth getting so incredibly bent out of shape that the thread devolves into bickering, personalized attacks/arguments or (gasp!) sarcasm. ; )

 

I was gonna call you Judy, but you didn't include name calling. I will work on my bickering and attack skills and get back with you. :smile:

 

That's covered by personal attacks, you moron! <ducking & running!> <---- seriously just kidding!

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Honestly when I see people get upset over "religious" stuff THAT upsets me.

 

Not because im the one who puts religious stuff in the caches (but I might) but because it IS a family sport and there are ALL KINDS of families!

 

Its like youre saying only certain kinds of people can play and they can only play a certain way according to what make YOU happy or not.

DUMB!

 

People should be free to put what ever they want in the caches. What ever is a part of them what makes them happy. And we shouldnt feel paralyzed by rules and what is going to upset whoever.

 

Personally Disney stuff offends me. I frickin hate, despise, abhor disney and all things related to it. I also despise McDonalds toys in caches (woo hoo you went all out on that one, cleaning the car out and leaving us your garbage?) but HEY, its what is an extension of them so .........oh well.

 

I think its more important that we all have fun STAY POSITIVE and leave the griping and complaining somewhere else..............hey........I just had an idea for a cache. :-P

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Honestly when I see people get upset over "religious" stuff THAT upsets me.

 

Not because im the one who puts religious stuff in the caches (but I might) but because it IS a family sport and there are ALL KINDS of families!

 

Its like youre saying only certain kinds of people can play and they can only play a certain way according to what make YOU happy or not.

DUMB!

 

People should be free to put what ever they want in the caches. What ever is a part of them what makes them happy. And we shouldnt feel paralyzed by rules and what is going to piss off who.

 

Personally Disney stuff offends me. I frickin hate, despise, abhor disney and all things related to it. I also despise McDonalds toys in caches (woo hoo you went all out on that one, cleaning the car out and leaving us your garbage?) but HEY, its what is an extension of them so .........oh well.

 

I think its more important that we all have fun STAY POSITIVE and leave the griping and complaining somewhere else..............hey........I just had an idea for a cache. :-P

 

Exactly and we all know how Disney and Religious tracts are on the same level

 

~RME~

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Of course, I do what the puppymonster tells me, so what can I say.

Keep your dog-worshipping agenda out of the forums, biscuit breath.

 

Most people know not to mix animals and geocaching. Except for that one nut case with the hamsters.

 

I buried my hamster NEAR my cache when he died. Is that ok? I mean, if it's not ok I'm not digging him back up again, but I'll move the cache. :smile:

 

Anyway, I guess if i found something religious or political in my cache, it would feel like someone put a dead hamster in my cache. The way I would handle this is I would post a note saying to please not put those things in my cache and throw it away.

 

:)

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Of course, I do what the puppymonster tells me, so what can I say.

Keep your dog-worshipping agenda out of the forums, biscuit breath.

 

Most people know not to mix animals and geocaching. Except for that one nut case with the hamsters.

 

I buried my hamster NEAR my cache when he died. Is that ok? I mean, if it's not ok I'm not digging him back up again, but I'll move the cache. :smile:

 

Anyway, I guess if i found something religious or political in my cache, it would feel like someone put a dead hamster in my cache. The way I would handle this is I would post a note saying to please not put those things in my cache and throw it away.

 

:)

 

And I'm wondering why you'd say a thing?

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Standing in a long grocery line today and with nothing better to do, I asked the man behind me what he thought about religious items in a cache. He blinked a few times and said " Why would I care? and why would you even bring that up?" I said that was what I thought to, I just wanted to see what you thought. There are actually grown people arguing about this on the fourms. Once again he stood there blinking at me and said "You and them are nuts." Once again I verified we were thinking alike.

 

El Diablo

 

Were you buying beer or donuts at the grocery store? That is what really counts, you know.

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Standing in a long grocery line today and with nothing better to do, I asked the man behind me what he thought about religious items in a cache. He blinked a few times and said " Why would I care? and why would you even bring that up?" I said that was what I thought to, I just wanted to see what you thought. There are actually grown people arguing about this on the fourms. Once again he stood there blinking at me and said "You and them are nuts." Once again I verified we were thinking alike.

 

El Diablo

 

Were you buying beer or donuts at the grocery store? That is what really counts, you know.

 

Maybe he was buying gum.

 

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The broken MacToys, golf balls, dog biscuits and religious stuff doesn't really bother me. What chaps my hide is the 75 real estate agent business cards filling up the cache.

 

I don't think that a responsible real estate agent would place their card in a cache. Probably the hijinks of juveniles. Probably best to take them all out and throw them in the garbage as to not sully the name of an obviously conscientious real estate agent.

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Totally agree, it's against Geo rules to mention any business name associated with the cache as reference, there should be rules against advertising a religious organization or belief.

But at the same time, just disregard and go back to the geotrails.

 

[edited by moderator to remove potty language. There's a forum guideline about that, just like there's a listing guideline about caches advocating agendas. Both are required reading.]

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it's against Geo rules to mention any business name associated with the cache as reference, there should be rules against advertising a religious organization or belief.

 

Have you read the guidelines or ANY of this thread?

 

It's been pointing out ad nauseum that CACHES cannot solicit or be commercial. This does not apply to contents, which have their own section in the guidelines.

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it's against Geo rules to mention any business name associated with the cache as reference, there should be rules against advertising a religious organization or belief.

 

Have you read the guidelines or ANY of this thread?

 

It's been pointing out ad nauseum that CACHES cannot solicit or be commercial. This does not apply to contents, which have their own section in the guidelines.

 

Oh! Now you're soliciting and advertissing the guidelines. :smile:

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Same thing goes for business cards. On more than one occasion I have found many business cards. If I need a layer I'm not going to get one that I found out of a cache. I throw them out every time. Geocaching is not free advertising your your business or service.

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Same thing goes for business cards. On more than one occasion I have found many business cards. If I need a layer I'm not going to get one that I found out of a cache. I throw them out every time. Geocaching is not free advertising your your business or service.

 

I'm always looking for a good "Layer" If you find a business card for one or a cupon...send it my way please.

 

El Diablo

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