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I don't think I've ever seen anything 'naughty', but knives, a pack of cigarettes, and recently one of those paint scrapers that uses a razor blade as a replaceable edge. I wondered what went through the person's head as they dropped the razor in there- "Gee, won't the next person be surprised when they reach in!?"

 

Thats exactly why I never reach into a cache. Just in case it was been muggled or something dumb was dropped in. I always empty the cache out on the ground or on the passenger seat. Just in case you never know.....

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Groundspeak is concerned about the content on the website and ensuring that the content on the website does not solicit. Groundspeak does not control the content of the Geocache container. You've been around long enough to know this and yet you still use the argument.

 

 

The guidelines address cache content, and mention that cache owners may be held responsible for inappropriate content in caches even if they didn't place it there.

 

There is no need to resort to hyperbole and personal attacks. Sometimes people disagree about things - there's no reason to get so upset. Your inflammatory picture and the insinuations behind it are absolutely appalling.

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One would imagine that a person who places tampons is either an adolescent minded male (of undetermined age) or someone who has needed one, for whatever reason, and not had one while out exploring the world. To me a packaged tampon would be no different than a packaged roll of TP in a cache. A roll of TP could arguably be extremely valuable in a cache off the beaten path.

 

As with condoms, I expect that exposure to the elements would damage a tampon's wrapper very quickly, and the tampon itself could be exposed to fungus and bacteria. I don't think I need to describe in detail why that could quickly be a recipe for disaster were such a tampon ever to be used for its intended purpose.

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Seriously? How naive is THAT?

 

When my my son gets interested in caching, I will ALWAYS worry about the contents. I've been to enough caches to know that I should worry.

 

But I will never worry about having to explain religion or sex to him. I would jump at the opportunity if it happened at a cache. His ears are more likely to stay open if he's doing something he likes. <_<

 

Yes, perhaps naive to hope that caches can stay family-friendly for everyone, but I can hope. There are enough competing and confusing messages all around us that there's no lack of opportunity to bring up sex, politics, and religion. But still, I'd prefer that my son's first introduction to sex NOT be a nasty close-up in a cache. So I will continue to remove inappropriate materials from caches as a courtesy to other parents.

 

Your implying that religious items are somehow not "Family Friendly" ? Oh dear mommy! God loves me, i'm frightened!

 

God bless you! (Hope that didn't offend you)

Ok...a little behind in my reading of this thread...but I seriously just spit all over my computer screen!!!

:lol::P:P

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Well she certainly sounds like a person of strong and baseless opinion if not someone who has an intense need to control the actions of others.

 

 

If I was interested in using geocaching to "control the actions of others," I would do it by filling up caches with pamphlets telling everyone who to vote for and what to believe.

 

I'm a big fan of the guidelines, which prohibit using geocaches as a platform for a personal agenda. The cache guidelines also hold owners responsible for the content of their caches. That aspect of the guidelines may be sparsely enforced, but it is there.

 

When someone places materials into a cache to promote a business, a charitable cause, a political movement, or a religious/non-religious persuasion, they are essentially hi-jacking another person's geocache for their own agenda. That is not in keeping with the spirit of the game, at all.

 

That might not be euphemistically naughty *tee hee*, but it is naughty.

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"Cache Contents

 

Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages.

 

Food items are always a bad idea. Animals have better noses than humans, and in some cases caches have been chewed through and destroyed because food items (or items that smell like food) are in the cache. Even the presence of mint flavored dental floss has led to destruction of one cache.

 

If the original cache contents list any of the above items or other questionable items, or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items, the cache may be disabled, and the owner of the cache will be contacted and asked to remove the questionable items before the cache is enabled.

 

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Caches that Solicit

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda."

 

Some people cant distinguish between contents and the cache it self they are not the same

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The point is that they are not open to personal interpretation but I think you will not be able to understand that

 

If it's against the guidelines for a cache owner to put an item into a geocache, it's not some radical "personal interpretation" to conclude that other cachers should also refrain from putting those items into caches.

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Why can't we all just get along?

 

Because some people can't distinguish between "disagreement" and "personal antagonism."

 

Well that could be the root of it, some folks just want to fight. Really doesn't make much sense. It is like I tell my girls, sometimes the words we choose carry more weight that we realize.

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Why can't we all just get along?

 

Because some people can't distinguish between "disagreement" and "personal antagonism."

 

Pot meet kettle...

 

You'll need to explain your comment further. Can you provide an example of a legitimate argument that I mistook as a personal attack? If I've misconstrued the comparison to Charles Manson, I'd like to know.

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I could be wrong, but I thought that the point of this topic was to post inappropriate things found in a cache.

So why is there so much rediculous bickering going on? Quit arguing back and forth and just post "naughty swag" that you've found.

 

Now that I've said that, the only thing inappropriate that I've found in a cache was a .45 shell, which I immediately removed.

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If I was interested in using geocaching to "control the actions of others," I would do it by filling up caches with pamphlets telling everyone who to vote for and what to believe.

Actually, you demonstrate your interest in controlling others by telling everyone what they can't put in a cache.

 

When someone places materials into a cache to promote a business, a charitable cause, a political movement, or a religious/non-religious persuasion, they are essentially hi-jacking another person's geocache for their own agenda. That is not in keeping with the spirit of the game, at all.

I might not like to see pamphlets advertising a windshield repair business in any of my caches but the mere presence of the pamphlets does not a "hijacking" make. "Hijacking" hints at taking complete control of something. How do a few pamphlets do this? Please explain. Also, please explain what you mean by "the spirit of the game" That is about the vaguest non argument I have heard in a while.

 

Note to all: Sorry for going off topic. I should shut up now.

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Seriously? How naive is THAT?

 

When my my son gets interested in caching, I will ALWAYS worry about the contents. I've been to enough caches to know that I should worry.

 

But I will never worry about having to explain religion or sex to him. I would jump at the opportunity if it happened at a cache. His ears are more likely to stay open if he's doing something he likes. :)

 

Yes, perhaps naive to hope that caches can stay family-friendly for everyone, but I can hope. There are enough competing and confusing messages all around us that there's no lack of opportunity to bring up sex, politics, and religion. But still, I'd prefer that my son's first introduction to sex NOT be a nasty close-up in a cache. So I will continue to remove inappropriate materials from caches as a courtesy to other parents.

 

Your implying that religious items are somehow not "Family Friendly" ? Oh dear mommy! God loves me, i'm frightened!

 

God bless you! (Hope that didn't offend you)

 

LOL

 

Very true.

 

You have a lot more things to worry about then the people who try to share the gospel with you.

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"Cache Contents

 

Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages.

 

Food items are always a bad idea. Animals have better noses than humans, and in some cases caches have been chewed through and destroyed because food items (or items that smell like food) are in the cache. Even the presence of mint flavored dental floss has led to destruction of one cache.

 

If the original cache contents list any of the above items or other questionable items, or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items, the cache may be disabled, and the owner of the cache will be contacted and asked to remove the questionable items before the cache is enabled.

 

Return to the Table of Contents

Caches that Solicit

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda."

 

Some people cant distinguish between contents and the cache it self they are not the same

Thank you for quoting the guidelines, and thereby proving narcissa's point (although I don't think that's what you intended to do). Focus on the phrase "or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items." If I receive a report that an existing innocent cache has been turned into a porn stash, I would disable the listing and ask the owner to go maintain their cache as required by this section of the guidelines.

 

As narcissa mentioned, this provision is rarely invoked. I think that's because geocachers are largely self-policing. The "naughty swag" tends to be removed by the next responsible geocacher to visit. When I do that, I typically mention the prohibited item in my log and I include a citation to the Cache Contents guideline.

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"Cache Contents

 

Use your common sense in most cases. Explosives, fireworks, ammo, lighters, knives (including pocket knives and multi-tools), drugs, alcohol or other illicit material shouldn't be placed in a cache. As always respect the local laws. Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages.

 

Food items are always a bad idea. Animals have better noses than humans, and in some cases caches have been chewed through and destroyed because food items (or items that smell like food) are in the cache. Even the presence of mint flavored dental floss has led to destruction of one cache.

 

If the original cache contents list any of the above items or other questionable items, or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items, the cache may be disabled, and the owner of the cache will be contacted and asked to remove the questionable items before the cache is enabled.

 

Return to the Table of Contents

Caches that Solicit

 

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda."

 

Some people cant distinguish between contents and the cache it self they are not the same

Thank you for quoting the guidelines, and thereby proving narcissa's point (although I don't think that's what you intended to do). Focus on the phrase "or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items." If I receive a report that an existing innocent cache has been turned into a porn stash, I would disable the listing and ask the owner to go maintain their cache as required by this section of the guidelines.

 

As narcissa mentioned, this provision is rarely invoked. I think that's because geocachers are largely self-policing. The "naughty swag" tends to be removed by the next responsible geocacher to visit. When I do that, I typically mention the prohibited item in my log and I include a citation to the Cache Contents guideline.

 

This begs the question: Would you disable a cache and ask the owner to clean up a religious tract if it was reported in the cache?

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I haven't jumped into the "religious tract fray" because I was really just hoping for more pictures of swag underwear.... but re-reading the guidelines over and over something struck me. This section:

If the original cache contents list any of the above items or other questionable items, or if a cache is reported to have the questionable items, the cache may be disabled, and the owner of the cache will be contacted and asked to remove the questionable items before the cache is enabled.

does indeed state that if "questionable items" are placed in a cache after it's been in the field awhile, it can be pulled by the reviewer.

 

However, the part about solicitations are in a different section all together:

Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda.

The language and the placement of the "solicitations" language could certainly be interpreted as implying that solicitations placed in caches do not fall under "questionable swag" (as solicitation material was not mentioned in the questionable section but given it's own section), and furthermore the guideline does seem to state that it is the cache itself that is subject to the solicitation litmus test, not the contents:

caches perceived to be posted for...

I don't really have a dog in the fight either way, but I can see where there is room for splitting hairs. Maybe these sections need to be retooled to be more clear?

 

Now.... back to underwear swag! :)

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I don't really have a dog in the fight either way, but I can see where there is room for splitting hairs. Maybe these sections need to be retooled to be more clear?

 

When you start with a deep-seated hatred for all things relating to religion, the guidelines tend to say what you want them to say. When you look at it from an objective point of view, I think it's clear what the intent of the guidelines are.

 

This is a good example of why it's difficult to argue from an objective point of view with someone coming from a point of view based on hate

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When you start with a deep-seated hatred for all things relating to religion, the guidelines tend to say what you want them to say. When you look at it from an objective point of view, I think it's clear what the intent of the guidelines are.

 

It is? I feel like I'm pretty objective and I honestly don't know how to answer the question you posed to Keystone based on the guidelines as written. I can see why the aforementioned "questionable" swag is questionable, mostly it's illegal, potentially dangerous, or obscene (as in the legal definition of obscene). But the religious tracts.... I dunno. It's only questionable for me personally because it isn't my value to spread my religion that way, but it isn't illegal or obscene or physical harmful.

 

If Groundspeak feels that solicitations (religious or commercial or otherwise) are questionable, then the two sections should be combined for clarity.

 

Sans the mudslinging, it's kind of an interesting discussion to have actually.

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I recently had a problem at my house of finding religious papers laying on my steps and hanging from my door knobs.I put NO SOLICITORS stickers on the doors,problem solved.I personally feel if I am looking for religeon I know where to go,I dont need it waved in my face.When I go geocaching I want to find geocaching related stuff,not more religeous papers.Finding them in a cache seems like soliciting to me,and a sneaky way of getting people to unexpectedly view your religeous ideas.It wouldnt anger me tho,I dont get upset over little things like that.I do feel it is inappropriate none the less.If you want to advertise religeon,do it in a proper venue,not stashing them where people will unexpectedly be subject to them.Just my opinion.

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When you start with a deep-seated hatred for all things relating to religion, the guidelines tend to say what you want them to say. When you look at it from an objective point of view, I think it's clear what the intent of the guidelines are.

 

This is a good example of why it's difficult to argue from an objective point of view with someone coming from a point of view based on hate

 

I think you're seeing "deep-seated hatred" where it isn't there.

 

I'll argue pretty hard against any agenda in a cache. In fact, if I agree with the agenda, I'll probably fight it harder because the image of the cause is more important to me. I don't want to see something I support being promoted through geocaching, because it looks really bad.

 

I mentioned religious items because I see them in caches often. I'm sorry you've interpreted that as "hatred." That was never my intent.

 

In any case, regardless of what religion or non-religion is involved, these items aren't appropriate for geocaches. Trying to convert other people's children toward or away from the values their parents want to teach them is not family-friendly.

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Sans the mudslinging, it's kind of an interesting discussion to have actually.

 

There have been some doozys over the years. Do a keyword search for religious & religion and see for yourself.

 

Personally, I am not threatened by anything I find in a cache unless it's a biohazard.

 

I'm Agnostic, but I collect the Hater of God tracts that get placed on my car when I'm out cachin' (especially when I'm in Las Vegas) because it sports a Darwin Fish. I find them hillarious. What I find most funny is the self important presumption that I hate God because I believe in evolution over creation. There's a knee slapper. :):D:laughing:

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What I find most funny is the self important presumption that I hate God because I believe in evolution over creation. There's a knee slapper. :):D:laughing:

I was in the exploration phase of looking to become a Episcopal priest, but after much research and reflection I decided to go back to school to become a geologist instead. A friend who knew of my explorations responded with a, ";) that seems... unrelated" Bummer he saw it that way, I think they're highly related, but I'm kinda odd like that.

 

So, I'm with ya, Snoogans. It isn't mutually exclusive.

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I think this has a lot to do with choice too.If someone wants to pass out papers on the sidewalk,in front of a church,in a park or wherever,I have a choice to either take one and read it or simply say "no thank you".But when its left on my door,on my car or in a cache I loose that choice.Then it comes off as pushy to me.

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What's the most inappropriate thing YOU'VE ever found, and what did you do?

A few rocks and sticks scooped up from the nearby forest floor. I can just picture somebody taking the nice trade items out and then, feeling a touch of guilt, reached down and scooped these natural items up and closed the lid.

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What's the most inappropriate thing YOU'VE ever found, and what did you do?

A few rocks and sticks scooped up from the nearby forest floor. I can just picture somebody taking the nice trade items out and then, feeling a touch of guilt, reached down and scooped these natural items up and closed the lid.

 

There's a cacher in my area who used to delete logs if they didn't mention a trade. On a couple of caches I've done things like "took penny, left magic stick" just to comply with his absurd demands.

 

Now that we have the guideline against ALRs, his ridiculous deletions won't stand.

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I think this has a lot to do with choice too.If someone wants to pass out papers on the sidewalk,in front of a church,in a park or wherever,I have a choice to either take one and read it or simply say "no thank you".But when its left on my door,on my car or in a cache I loose that choice.Then it comes off as pushy to me.

 

Seriously? If you find a religious tract in a cache, you are actually forced to pick it up and read it? Really?

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I think this has a lot to do with choice too.If someone wants to pass out papers on the sidewalk,in front of a church,in a park or wherever,I have a choice to either take one and read it or simply say "no thank you".But when its left on my door,on my car or in a cache I loose that choice.Then it comes off as pushy to me.

 

Seriously? If you find a religious tract in a cache, you are actually forced to pick it up and read it? Really?

I was going to ask the same thing.

 

Can you just picture some robed religious zealot standing over them with a weapon and yelling "READ IT" over and over until they comply................... :)

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I think this has a lot to do with choice too.If someone wants to pass out papers on the sidewalk,in front of a church,in a park or wherever,I have a choice to either take one and read it or simply say "no thank you".But when its left on my door,on my car or in a cache I loose that choice.Then it comes off as pushy to me.

 

You can still choose to read it or not.

 

In any case, it's not relevant to the discussion. These items are not appropriate in caches, and that's what we're discussing here. There's no need to attack people for what they do outside of geocaching.

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Seriously? How naive is THAT?

 

When my my son gets interested in caching, I will ALWAYS worry about the contents. I've been to enough caches to know that I should worry.

 

But I will never worry about having to explain religion or sex to him. I would jump at the opportunity if it happened at a cache. His ears are more likely to stay open if he's doing something he likes. :)

 

Yes, perhaps naive to hope that caches can stay family-friendly for everyone, but I can hope. There are enough competing and confusing messages all around us that there's no lack of opportunity to bring up sex, politics, and religion. But still, I'd prefer that my son's first introduction to sex NOT be a nasty close-up in a cache. So I will continue to remove inappropriate materials from caches as a courtesy to other parents.

 

Your implying that religious items are somehow not "Family Friendly" ? Oh dear mommy! God loves me, i'm frightened!

 

God bless you! (Hope that didn't offend you)

 

Finding myself in the somewhat odd position of defending a post by Narcissa, I don't think that was the point she was trying to make.

 

How could you not read that from what she wrote? She finds the material objectionable and along the same lines of sexual content in a cache. How exactly should I being reading it?

 

 

I don't care what religion you are. I don't care how you worship it - on your own time.

But relgious TRACTS are propoganda, simple as that. I had no problem explaining to my 4-year-old niece that the thing hanging off my arm right after my grandmother died wasn't a bracelet, it was her rosary. But a "TICKET TO HELL" left in a cache is a whole different story.

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I think this has a lot to do with choice too.If someone wants to pass out papers on the sidewalk,in front of a church,in a park or wherever,I have a choice to either take one and read it or simply say "no thank you".But when its left on my door,on my car or in a cache I loose that choice.Then it comes off as pushy to me.

 

You can still choose to read it or not.

 

In any case, it's not relevant to the discussion. These items are not appropriate in caches, and that's what we're discussing here. There's no need to attack people for what they do outside of geocaching.

 

There's no need to attack them for what they do inside geocaching either.. keyword being attack of course.

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I think this has a lot to do with choice too.If someone wants to pass out papers on the sidewalk,in front of a church,in a park or wherever,I have a choice to either take one and read it or simply say "no thank you".But when its left on my door,on my car or in a cache I loose that choice.Then it comes off as pushy to me.

 

You can still choose to read it or not.

 

In any case, it's not relevant to the discussion. These items are not appropriate in caches, and that's what we're discussing here. There's no need to attack people for what they do outside of geocaching.

I didnt attack anyone.How did you get that out of what i wrote?I am fine with what people do outside of geocaching.And it is relevent to the discussion.I said"or in a cache".My point was about "choice".And if it is in a cache i loose my choice.Not cool.

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I didnt attack anyone.How did you get that out of what i wrote?I am fine with what people do outside of geocaching.And it is relevent to the discussion.I said"or in a cache".My point was about "choice".And if it is in a cache i loose my choice.Not cool.

 

You can always choose not to read it.

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This begs the question: Would you disable a cache and ask the owner to clean up a religious tract if it was reported in the cache?

 

Yeah, that's kind of the crux of all the drama, isn't it?

I would not disable a cache because it had a religious tract in it. That's because religious items aren't on the list of prohibited items in the Cache Contents guideline. You could only make it fit by labeling the tract an "other questionable item." I've never seen Groundspeak or a reviewer make that subjective leap.

 

I think that the religious items and tracts discussion is best left for the other thread recently opened.

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In any case, regardless of what religion or non-religion is involved, these items aren't appropriate for geocaches. Trying to convert other people's children toward or away from the values their parents want to teach them is not family-friendly.

Ahh! It's the "protect the children" argument! I ask what kind of irresponsible parent would let a suggestible child go geocaching unsupervised or alone? What kind of parent or guardian would ever let their precious and innocent snowflake have access to the internet? How about a public library? Hey narcissa, your arguments are just about as logical as some of the Chick Tracts I have read, which I collect and think are hilarious. Do you really think the person placing the pamphlets has the nefarious intent of converting young children to another religion? I hope this is not considered as an attack on anyone, just their arguments.

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This begs the question: Would you disable a cache and ask the owner to clean up a religious tract if it was reported in the cache?

 

Yeah, that's kind of the crux of all the drama, isn't it?

I would not disable a cache because it had a religious tract in it. That's because religious items aren't on the list of prohibited items in the Cache Contents guideline. You could only make it fit by labeling the tract an "other questionable item." I've never seen Groundspeak or a reviewer make that subjective leap.

 

I think that the religious items and tracts discussion is best left for the other thread recently opened.

 

Thanks for the clarification and perspective of someone who actually deals with the guidelines regularly. Now we can get back to the original topic before it was hijacked on page 1

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Ahh! It's the "protect the children" argument! I ask what kind of irresponsible parent would let a suggestible child go geocaching unsupervised or alone? What kind of parent or guardian would ever let their precious and innocent snowflake have access to the internet? How about a public library? Hey narcissa, your arguments are just about as logical as some of the Chick Tracts I have read, which I collect and think are hilarious. Do you really think the person placing the pamphlets has the nefarious intent of converting young children to another religion? I hope this is not considered as an attack on anyone, just their arguments.

 

I am not sure why you're taking my arguments so personally that you feel it necessary to insult and cajole. Your tone is not conducive to a productive discussion and it's verging on trollery.

 

Many of us cache *with* children, and would prefer not to find inappropriate materials in a cache. I always check a cache first, as does every geocacher-parent I've ever spoken to. Yes, sometimes being faced with something offensive or inappropriate opens up a chance to discuss these things with our children, but that still doesn't make it okay to put such items into a geocache.

 

Other than persuading people to adopt your beliefs, what motive is there for putting religious material in a cache? I wouldn't describe this intent as necessarily "nefarious," and I strongly object to your attempt to attribute that characterization to me. I understand that for some people, converting others is an integral part of their beliefs. However, it is inappropriate to use geocaches for this purpose.

 

I don't have to worry about a Canadian library carrying religious or political propaganda, and I believe in supervising children while they use the internet, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing those things up. The geocaching guidelines prohibit using geocaches as a platform for an agenda, and all geocachers should respect that, regardless of their viewpoints.

 

You must forgive me for not knowing what a "Chick Tract" is.

 

It's supposed to be a family-friendly game, and different families have different values and beliefs. Let's keep geocaches free of religion and politics so we can all enjoy the game.

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Ahh! It's the "protect the children" argument! I ask what kind of irresponsible parent would let a suggestible child go geocaching unsupervised or alone? What kind of parent or guardian would ever let their precious and innocent snowflake have access to the internet? How about a public library? Hey narcissa, your arguments are just about as logical as some of the Chick Tracts I have read, which I collect and think are hilarious. Do you really think the person placing the pamphlets has the nefarious intent of converting young children to another religion? I hope this is not considered as an attack on anyone, just their arguments.

 

I am not sure why you're taking my arguments so personally that you feel it necessary to insult and cajole. Your tone is not conducive to a productive discussion and it's verging on trollery.

 

Many of us cache *with* children, and would prefer not to find inappropriate materials in a cache. I always check a cache first, as does every geocacher-parent I've ever spoken to. Yes, sometimes being faced with something offensive or inappropriate opens up a chance to discuss these things with our children, but that still doesn't make it okay to put such items into a geocache.

 

Other than persuading people to adopt your beliefs, what motive is there for putting religious material in a cache? I wouldn't describe this intent as necessarily "nefarious," and I strongly object to your attempt to attribute that characterization to me. I understand that for some people, converting others is an integral part of their beliefs. However, it is inappropriate to use geocaches for this purpose.

 

I don't have to worry about a Canadian library carrying religious or political propaganda, and I believe in supervising children while they use the internet, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bringing those things up. The geocaching guidelines prohibit using geocaches as a platform for an agenda, and all geocachers should respect that, regardless of their viewpoints.

 

You must forgive me for not knowing what a "Chick Tract" is.

 

It's supposed to be a family-friendly game, and different families have different values and beliefs. Let's keep geocaches free of religion and politics so we can all enjoy the game.

well stated.I agree.

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You must forgive me for not knowing what a "Chick Tract" is.

 

Pro-poultry propaganda? I wouldn't object to such a tract, but I believe putting live chicks in would be against the guidelines. :) Unless it's Hamster Caching Season. Then again, it would be a chick and not a hamster.... oh dear, I'm confused again. :D

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It's supposed to be a family-friendly game, and different families have different values and beliefs. Let's keep geocaches free of religion and politics so we can all enjoy the game.

 

You make a good point about keeping things light and friendly, but your continually insisting that religious trade items are disallowed per guidelines completely overshadows any sensible arguments that you make. Perhaps you should back down on the guidelines argument and we can peacefully move forward and agree.

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It's supposed to be a family-friendly game, and different families have different values and beliefs. Let's keep geocaches free of religion and politics so we can all enjoy the game.

 

You make a good point about keeping things light and friendly, but your continually insisting that religious trade items are disallowed per guidelines completely overshadows any sensible arguments that you make. Perhaps you should back down on the guidelines argument and we can peacefully move forward and agree.

 

The guidelines prohibit using geocaches as a platform for an agenda. If I find any item that is promoting an agenda, I'll remove it.

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It's supposed to be a family-friendly game, and different families have different values and beliefs. Let's keep geocaches free of religion and politics so we can all enjoy the game.

 

You make a good point about keeping things light and friendly, but your continually insisting that religious trade items are disallowed per guidelines completely overshadows any sensible arguments that you make. Perhaps you should back down on the guidelines argument and we can peacefully move forward and agree.

 

The guidelines prohibit using geocaches as a platform for an agenda. If I find any item that is promoting an agenda, I'll remove it.

 

The guidelines prohibit placing a cache that is a platform for an agenda... How many times do we need to go 'round and 'round about this before you actually take off your blinders and actually read the stinkin' guidelines?!?!?!

 

You can take the item out as long as you replace it with an item of equal or greater value. The person that placed that item in the cache is not violating the guidelines, nor are you by trading it out. Do you get this?

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