Naughty Swag

2.6k · March 23, 2010

I know I stand NO chance of bringing this thread back on track all by myself, but I have found various knives including a VERY nicely made butterfly knife, various types of ammunition, and, hanging on a nail right next to a micro in a sign, a Walmart bag FULL of VERY explicit porn. It's been an interesting 6 years.

March 23, 2010

Thong underwear and a Clinton Sex Dollar Bill at Clear Creek Butte Cache.

Were they both clean or had they been circulated?

3.9k · March 23, 2010

It's supposed to be a family-friendly game, and different families have different values and beliefs. Let's keep geocaches free of religion and politics so we can all enjoy the game.
You make a good point about keeping things light and friendly, but your continually insisting that religious trade items are disallowed per guidelines completely overshadows any sensible arguments that you make. Perhaps you should back down on the guidelines argument and we can peacefully move forward and agree.
The guidelines prohibit using geocaches as a platform for an agenda. If I find any item that is promoting an agenda, I'll remove it.

You really are taking a big leap here. The guidelines about agendas are for the cache page itself, and what the cache owner does when setting up the geocache. It does NOT apply to trade items. There are loads of travel bugs that promote an agenda and they're allowed.

Placing trade items that support a politician, or a religion, or a business, or anything else (within the trade guidelines) IS allowed.

When placing a trade item in a cache, you're using the cache to hold the item for the next cacher. This is NOT considered "using a cache to promote an agenda" even if the cache is used to hold a trade item with an agenda.

I think you know this, but enjoy arguing in the forums.

2.2k · March 23, 2010

Also, everyone does realize that Groundspeak is merely a listing service, right? You place the container in a location and then list the cache with Groundspeak. Groundspeak can deny the cache based on what you put on the listing, but they cannot control what is in the cache.

If items are in a cache that would place liability on Groundspeak, they reserve the right to disable or remove the listing.. THE LISTING. Groundspeak does not own the physical cache, nor do they own the game of Geocaching. Groundspeak cannot dictate what type of items people trade in or out of caches, except where they may be subject to liability as the listing agent of the cache...

Example: If Groundspeak was made aware that there was something illegal in a cache, doing nothing could open them to liability if someone were to get hurt.

7.4k · March 23, 2010

Also, everyone does realize that Groundspeak is merely a listing service, right? You place the container in a location and then list the cache with Groundspeak. Groundspeak can deny the cache based on what you put on the listing, but they cannot control what is in the cache.

If items are in a cache that would place liability on Groundspeak, they reserve the right to disable or remove the listing.. THE LISTING. Groundspeak does not own the physical cache, nor do they own the game of Geocaching. Groundspeak cannot dictate what type of items people trade in or out of caches, except where they may be subject to liability as the listing agent of the cache...

Example: If Groundspeak was made aware that there was something illegal in a cache, doing nothing could open them to liability if someone were to get hurt.

Of course Groundspeak can't control what is in the geocache.

Groundspeak does ask that the game be kept neutral and family-friendly. As a geocacher, you have no legal obligation to obey that request. But if legal/liability considerations are the only things you consider when placing an object in a cache, you're not being very courteous to other geocachers.

This game relies on a spirit of goodwill and cooperation between geocachers. If every geocacher used caches to promote their personal causes, it would really, really suck, and it would turn people against the game.

The guidelines are in place, in part, to address liability issues, but also to promote the spirit of the game that is integral to its growth and success. I don't use geocaches to promote my personal causes, because the guidelines ask me not to, and because I don't want to alienate other people from the game. I don't want to see geocaching become fractured, or limited to people with a particular set of beliefs. I want to see new caches hidden, and new people hiding caches, and I don't care what their beliefs are.

1.1k · March 23, 2010

I know I stand NO chance of bringing this thread back on track all by myself, but I have found various knives including a VERY nicely made butterfly knife, various types of ammunition, and, hanging on a nail right next to a micro in a sign, a Walmart bag FULL of VERY explicit porn. It's been an interesting 6 years.

Nice try anyway. I applaud your effort.

March 23, 2010

I know I stand NO chance of bringing this thread back on track all by myself, but I have found various knives including a VERY nicely made butterfly knife, various types of ammunition, and, hanging on a nail right next to a micro in a sign, a Walmart bag FULL of VERY explicit porn. It's been an interesting 6 years.

Nice try anyway. I applaud your effort.

Me too!

I'm gonna go around putting smelly socks in all the caches in my area so people will find them and post to this thread to get it back on track.

Edited March 23, 2010 by nericksx

2.2k · March 23, 2010

Of course Groundspeak can't control what is in the geocache.

Groundspeak does ask that the game be kept neutral and family-friendly. As a geocacher, you have no legal obligation to obey that request. But if legal/liability considerations are the only things you consider when placing an object in a cache, you're not being very courteous to other geocachers.

This game relies on a spirit of goodwill and cooperation between geocachers. If every geocacher used caches to promote their personal causes, it would really, really suck, and it would turn people against the game.

The guidelines are in place, in part, to address liability issues, but also to promote the spirit of the game that is integral to its growth and success. I don't use geocaches to promote my personal causes, because the guidelines ask me not to, and because I don't want to alienate other people from the game. I don't want to see geocaching become fractured, or limited to people with a particular set of beliefs. I want to see new caches hidden, and new people hiding caches, and I don't care what their beliefs are.

You're almost there!!! So close!!! Most cachers do not have an agenda beyond getting exercise and seeing cool places. If someone places a religious item in a cache, trade it out. A coupon placed in a cache has an agenda. If it's a coupon I could use, I can trade it out. If it's a coupon I can't use, I can ignore it. If i'm offended by the coupon being there, I can trade it out. That religious tract might have a positive impact on someone. It might have a negative effect on someone (as you have shown). It may have a neutral effect. Do what you want with the item, but it's *NOT AGAINST THE GUIDELINES*

Who are you to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't leave in a cache?

Edited March 23, 2010 by ReadyOrNot

2.6k · March 23, 2010

I know I stand NO chance of bringing this thread back on track all by myself, but I have found various knives including a VERY nicely made butterfly knife, various types of ammunition, and, hanging on a nail right next to a micro in a sign, a Walmart bag FULL of VERY explicit porn. It's been an interesting 6 years.

Nice try anyway. I applaud your effort.

Thanks.

Next contestant?

March 23, 2010

I know I stand NO chance of bringing this thread back on track all by myself, but I have found various knives including a VERY nicely made butterfly knife, various types of ammunition, and, hanging on a nail right next to a micro in a sign, a Walmart bag FULL of VERY explicit porn. It's been an interesting 6 years.

Nice try anyway. I applaud your effort.

Me too!

I'm gonna go around putting smelly socks in all the caches in my area so people will find them and post to this thread to get it back on track.

The smelly sock comment was in no way a commentary on ReadyOrNot's avatar.

2.2k · March 23, 2010

The smelly sock comment was in no way a commentary on ReadyOrNot's avatar.

I got so tired of being accused of being a sock puppet, so I decided to become one

8.6k · March 23, 2010

I know I stand NO chance of bringing this thread back on track all by myself, but I have found various knives including a VERY nicely made butterfly knife, various types of ammunition, and, hanging on a nail right next to a micro in a sign, a Walmart bag FULL of VERY explicit porn. It's been an interesting 6 years.

Nice try anyway. I applaud your effort.

Me too!

I'll try and assist too...

The naughtiest things put in caches around here were fresh, uncooked eggs (still in their shells, fortunately). A couple of years ago a rather new cacher thought it would be 'funny' to do this.

Fortunately, the more sensible cachers who came along after him removed them before any harm was done.

In a separate incident we did have this log on one of our old puzzle caches...

"Another good laugh doing this one. Solved the puzzle easily a few days ago then drove over as my last cache of the day, today. Found the ornate map of the area but couldn't make head nor tail of it but the path to the cache is an easy one. Looked in the wrong place to start and unfortunately came across some kids stash of porn mags hidden in a crevice...as I pulled one out a man looked over the top at me and all that was going through my mind as he gave me this knowing look, was....'they're not mine honest'...LOL!!! Replaced them and then found the cache easily if a little embarrassed!?!?..."

MrsB

7.4k · March 23, 2010

You're almost there!!! So close!!! Most cachers do not have an agenda beyond getting exercise and seeing cool places. If someone places a religious item in a cache, trade it out. A coupon placed in a cache has an agenda. If it's a coupon I could use, I can trade it out. If it's a coupon I can't use, I can ignore it. If i'm offended by the coupon being there, I can trade it out. That religious tract might have a positive impact on someone. It might have a negative effect on someone (as you have shown). It may have a neutral effect. Do what you want with the item, but it's *NOT AGAINST THE GUIDELINES*

Who are you to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't leave in a cache?

If an item has an obvious agenda, I will CITO it. I don't base that on whether or not I'm offended by it - if I leave a brochure in a cache because I agree with it, I'm complicit in using the geocache to promote an agenda. Promoting agendas and causes has no place in the game. Everyone thinks their causes are worthwhile, but Groundspeak asks us to keep them out of the game and I don't want to see geocaches tainted by the same debates that drive wedges between people everywhere else.

I wouldn't assume that a coupon has an agenda - someone might have just thought it was a good swag item. A brochure telling me to vote for so-and-so or a pamphlet telling me how to reach spiritual enlightenment has an obvious agenda, and I would remove that.

If the poor cache has been degraded by cachers putting in crappy trade items that need to be CITO'd, I might replenish the contents if I have stuff with me. Regardless of my feelings about geocaches and agendas, taking a nice piece of swag and replacing it with a pamphlet seems like a pretty obvious case of down-trading to me. :unsure:

2.2k · March 23, 2010

You're almost there!!! So close!!! Most cachers do not have an agenda beyond getting exercise and seeing cool places. If someone places a religious item in a cache, trade it out. A coupon placed in a cache has an agenda. If it's a coupon I could use, I can trade it out. If it's a coupon I can't use, I can ignore it. If i'm offended by the coupon being there, I can trade it out. That religious tract might have a positive impact on someone. It might have a negative effect on someone (as you have shown). It may have a neutral effect. Do what you want with the item, but it's *NOT AGAINST THE GUIDELINES*

Who are you to tell anyone what they should and shouldn't leave in a cache?

If an item has an obvious agenda, I will CITO it. I don't base that on whether or not I'm offended by it - if I leave a brochure in a cache because I agree with it, I'm complicit in using the geocache to promote an agenda. Promoting agendas and causes has no place in the game. Everyone thinks their causes are worthwhile, but Groundspeak asks us to keep them out of the game and I don't want to see geocaches tainted by the same debates that drive wedges between people everywhere else.

I wouldn't assume that a coupon has an agenda - someone might have just thought it was a good swag item. A brochure telling me to vote for so-and-so or a pamphlet telling me how to reach spiritual enlightenment has an obvious agenda, and I would remove that.

If the poor cache has been degraded by cachers putting in crappy trade items that need to be CITO'd, I might replenish the contents if I have stuff with me. Regardless of my feelings about geocaches and agendas, taking a nice piece of swag and replacing it with a pamphlet seems like a pretty obvious case of down-trading to me.

Congratulations! You've managed to make sense without invoking the guidelines!

March 23, 2010

Congratulations! You've managed to make sense without invoking the guidelines!

GREAT! The Peace Treaty Signing will be held at Vodoo Donut on NW 22nd Ave in Portland, a week from Friday. All are welcome to attend. Yes, they have bacon donuts.

7.4k · March 23, 2010

but Groundspeak asks us to keep them out of the game

Congratulations! You've managed to make sense without invoking the guidelines!

. o O

Your patronizing tone is unwelcome and not conducive to a good discussion. I realize that you initially interpreted my comments as being antagonistic toward religion, but I have clarified - repeatedly - that they were not intended that way. That you continue to insist on making this personal is tiresome and a little disturbing.

2.2k · March 23, 2010

but Groundspeak asks us to keep them out of the game

Congratulations! You've managed to make sense without invoking the guidelines!

. o O

Your patronizing tone is unwelcome and not conducive to a good discussion. I realize that you initially interpreted my comments as being antagonistic toward religion, but I have clarified - repeatedly - that they were not intended that way. That you continue to insist on making this personal is tiresome and a little disturbing.

I get it now! You're one of those "Artifical Intelligence Debate Bots" aren't you? How cute! Do you do 20 questions too?

Ooooh! oooh! oooh! I've got a stumper for you. What's the meaning of life? Are you a male bot or a female bot? I've got something in my hand.. It's made from trees, it has writing on it and has the power to waste an entire day's worth of work.. Can you guess what it is?

March 23, 2010

If the poor cache has been degraded by cachers putting in crappy trade items that need to be CITO'd, I might replenish the contents if I have stuff with me. Regardless of my feelings about geocaches and agendas, taking a nice piece of swag and replacing it with a pamphlet seems like a pretty obvious case of down-trading to me.

Wow! n's arguments are bouncing all over the spectrum. Now the evil Agenda Mongers are taking all of the good swag and leaving only their offensive screeds designed to convert your children to another religion. [Head shaking in disbelief] Pause a few moments. [/Head shaking in disbelief]

Edited to add the obvious. Who claims the Agenda Mongers actually took anything from the cache? Perhaps they left the pamphlet and took nothing.

Edited March 23, 2010 by JohnX

7.4k · March 23, 2010

Wow! n's arguments are bouncing all over the spectrum. Now the evil Agenda Mongers are taking all of the good swag and leaving only their offensive screeds designed to convert your children to another religion. [Head shaking in disbelief] Pause a few moments. [/Head shaking in disbelief]

Can you please show me where I've called anyone evil? I disagree with using geocaches to promote an agenda, but I wouldn't characterize it as "evil."

I'm sorry if you think I'm singling out a particular religion. I'm not trying to.

2.2k · March 23, 2010

Wow! n's arguments are bouncing all over the spectrum. Now the evil Agenda Mongers are taking all of the good swag and leaving only their offensive screeds designed to convert your children to another religion. [Head shaking in disbelief] Pause a few moments. [/Head shaking in disbelief]

Can you please show me where I've called anyone evil? I disagree with using geocaches to promote an agenda, but I wouldn't characterize it as "evil."

I'm sorry if you think I'm singling out a particular religion. I'm not trying to.

Can you please show where he said you called anyone evil? It appears that he added that for effect, but I understand that can be difficult to comprehend.

7.4k · March 23, 2010

Can you please show where he said you called anyone evil? It appears that he added that for effect, but I understand that can be difficult to comprehend.

"n's arguments are bouncing all over the spectrum. Now the evil Agenda Mongers are... "

I understand that he added it for effect, but he is incorrectly summarizing my points and attributing that characterization to me. In no way have I implied that anyone is "evil." Strawman arguments are not conducive to civilized discussion, nor is intentionally misinterpreting what others say.

Edited March 23, 2010 by narcissa

7.2k · March 23, 2010

Take it to email! Geez.

If you cannot stay on topic, I will be happy to show you how to exit the topic.

7.4k · March 23, 2010

I'll stop commenting in this thread in accordance with the moderator's request.

I would prefer not to receive private email in response to a public forum discussion.

March 23, 2010

Now that bouncer has been by to break up the bar fight and send the rowdies home (and not a moment too soon)...

Does anyone have any stories about weird swag that they've removed from caches? Disembodied fingers? Used undies? Week-old pickles?...... Anyone?

March 24, 2010

So what exactly where we talking about here in this thread?

7.2k · March 24, 2010

What's the most inappropriate thing YOU'VE ever found, and what did you do?

Pretty direct and simple question from the original post.

March 24, 2010

Yea, I knew what the original question was. I thought it was about time everyone got back to the original discussion.

3.3k · March 24, 2010

In six plus years of caching I have found nothing naughty in a cache that I can recall. I have found many things that I might have personally preferred were not in the cache but I have decided that it is not up to me to be the cache contents police. If I find something I deem to be dangerous to my person I will remove it. I do not remove items that I believe others may find damaging to their personal sensibilities. I am not the cache contents police and I do not think this game needs them. :unsure:

March 24, 2010

In six plus years of caching I have found nothing naughty in a cache that I can recall. I have found many things that I might have personally preferred were not in the cache but I have decided that it is not up to me to be the cache contents police. If I find something I deem to be dangerous to my person I will remove it. I do not remove items that I believe others may find damaging to their personal sensibilities. I am not the cache contents police and I do not think this game needs them.

I do so wish more people felt like you.

But then... this thread wouldn't be so angsty and I would have nothing to read.

3.3k · March 24, 2010

In six plus years of caching I have found nothing naughty in a cache that I can recall. I have found many things that I might have personally preferred were not in the cache but I have decided that it is not up to me to be the cache contents police. If I find something I deem to be dangerous to my person I will remove it. I do not remove items that I believe others may find damaging to their personal sensibilities. I am not the cache contents police and I do not think this game needs them.

I do so wish more people felt like you.

But then... this thread wouldn't be so angsty and I would have nothing to read.

I did manage to read the entire thread before I posted, as painful as it was. I do find the forums entertaining and I must admit I hang out here quite often. I really only manage to get worked up over in the off topic when we get going on politics. But the folks there don't like talking about politics. Instead they just hang out in the stands and lob furr balls at the likes of me. That is ok. This is entertainment and also sometimes intellectual excercise. Good stuff if you choose to make so.

2.3k · March 24, 2010

In six plus years of caching I have found nothing naughty in a cache that I can recall. I have found many things that I might have personally preferred were not in the cache but I have decided that it is not up to me to be the cache contents police. If I find something I deem to be dangerous to my person I will remove it. I do not remove items that I believe others may find damaging to their personal sensibilities. I am not the cache contents police and I do not think this game needs them.

I do so wish more people felt like you.

But then... this thread wouldn't be so angsty and I would have nothing to read.

I did manage to read the entire thread before I posted, as painful as it was. I do find the forums entertaining and I must admit I hang out here quite often. I really only manage to get worked up over in the off topic when we get going on politics. But the folks there don't like talking about politics. Instead they just hang out in the stands and lob furr balls at the likes of me. That is ok. This is entertainment and also sometimes intellectual excercise. Good stuff if you choose to make so.

Maybe we can get one going over the health care bill passing.

March 24, 2010

In six plus years of caching I have found nothing naughty in a cache that I can recall. I have found many things that I might have personally preferred were not in the cache but I have decided that it is not up to me to be the cache contents police. If I find something I deem to be dangerous to my person I will remove it. I do not remove items that I believe others may find damaging to their personal sensibilities. I am not the cache contents police and I do not think this game needs them.

I do so wish more people felt like you.

But then... this thread wouldn't be so angsty and I would have nothing to read.

I did manage to read the entire thread before I posted, as painful as it was. I do find the forums entertaining and I must admit I hang out here quite often. I really only manage to get worked up over in the off topic when we get going on politics. But the folks there don't like talking about politics. Instead they just hang out in the stands and lob furr balls at the likes of me. That is ok. This is entertainment and also sometimes intellectual excercise. Good stuff if you choose to make so.

Maybe we can get one going over the health care bill passing.

That would clearly get anyone banned

3.3k · March 24, 2010

In six plus years of caching I have found nothing naughty in a cache that I can recall. I have found many things that I might have personally preferred were not in the cache but I have decided that it is not up to me to be the cache contents police. If I find something I deem to be dangerous to my person I will remove it. I do not remove items that I believe others may find damaging to their personal sensibilities. I am not the cache contents police and I do not think this game needs them.

I do so wish more people felt like you.

But then... this thread wouldn't be so angsty and I would have nothing to read.

I did manage to read the entire thread before I posted, as painful as it was. I do find the forums entertaining and I must admit I hang out here quite often. I really only manage to get worked up over in the off topic when we get going on politics. But the folks there don't like talking about politics. Instead they just hang out in the stands and lob furr balls at the likes of me. That is ok. This is entertainment and also sometimes intellectual excercise. Good stuff if you choose to make so.

Maybe we can get one going over the health care bill passing.

I decided to let someone else start the topic.

4.8k · March 24, 2010

Tonight we found an intact firecracker in a cache. Not only is it "fireworks" but firecrackers are illegal in Oregon. Otherwise that cache had the best swag of any I have found in a while.

March 24, 2010

The worst I've found are "yucky" things, like gum, mints, and other treats that turn to goo in our warm humid climate. I suspect people leave them with good intentions, but they sure slime up the inside of a cache.

4.2k · March 24, 2010

Worst things I've found were a few knives, a lighter and candy. I have seen mention in the logs of leaving packs of cigarettes, but I've never found them myself.

March 24, 2010

I get it now! You're one of those "Artifical Intelligence Debate Bots" aren't you? How cute! Do you do 20 questions too?

Ooooh! oooh! oooh! I've got a stumper for you. What's the meaning of life? Are you a male bot or a female bot? I've got something in my hand.. It's made from trees, it has writing on it and has the power to waste an entire day's worth of work.. Can you guess what it is?

I can guess that you just lost the debate by resorting to sarcasm, shame, it was interesting until then!

2.2k · March 24, 2010

I get it now! You're one of those "Artifical Intelligence Debate Bots" aren't you? How cute! Do you do 20 questions too?

Ooooh! oooh! oooh! I've got a stumper for you. What's the meaning of life? Are you a male bot or a female bot? I've got something in my hand.. It's made from trees, it has writing on it and has the power to waste an entire day's worth of work.. Can you guess what it is?

I can guess that you just lost the debate by resorting to sarcasm, shame, it was interesting until then!

Most of the discussion took place in the "other" thread. This one is about "Naughty Swag", not about religious items in caches. Sorry about the sarcasm, but sometimes it's better than beating ones head against a wall :surprise:

8k · March 24, 2010

The guidelines prohibit using geocaches as a platform for an agenda. If I find any item that is promoting an agenda, I'll remove it.

There you go. That's the answer anytime you find something in a cache you think doesn't belong there. (I think that Jeep travel bugs are too commercial to be in caches so when I find one in a cache I remove it and keep in permanently in my collection :surprise: )

Looking at how Geocaching.com can enforce a guideline help to understand why it applies the way it does.

Geocache pages are submitted for review prior to publication. During this review process, the cache page can be checked to see that it complies with no solictation guidelines. Trackable pages undergo no such review so Grounspeak simply allows much more leeway as to what can go on these pages. Trackable coin designs are reviewed, but Grounspeak has chosen to allow some agendas on coins.

Another reason that Groundspeak grants more leeway on trackable pages is that trackable owner has paid a fee to Groundspeak for that page. Groundspeak may consider that this fee entitles the trackable owner to post his agenda so long as it remains with the terms of use for the site.

Individuals who are offended by what they see on a cache page can complain to Groundspeak (or in the case of a cache page, to a reviewer). A cache page that was modified after being published to have an agenda is likely to be archived. A trackable page is likely only to be archived if Groundspeak finds it inappropriate.

Groundspeak has little control over what swag someone might leave in a cache. Cachers are asked to never put food in caches. But this is because food atracts animals and caches have been known to have been destroyed by animals looking for food. I doubt that a cache has ever been archived or even disabled because it had food in it. Some land managers have expressed concerned over weapons, explosives, drugs, alcohol, and other illicit material being left in caches. In order to allay their concerns, Groundspeak added a Cache Contents clause to the guidelines and provides for caches found to contain such objects to be disabled until the cache owner can remove the objects. In addition most geocachers know to remove food and other items that don't belong in caches.

Maybe Christian religious tracts could be considered illicit material that shouldn't be in caches if you lived in Saudi Arabia (or Canada?), but I think it is pretty clear that items with an agenda can be left as swag in a cache. However any cacher who finds those items is free to remove them if they feel it is inappropriate for swag. Most people would be happy to find a crucifix or a Jewish star in a cache. A pamphlet promoting a particular religion or point of view doesn't seem like something people would trade for.

However, I will say that I have found Chick Tracts in at least two caches and have even traded for them. Chick Tracts are a particularly vile hate-filled tracts, usually letting us know that if you belong to some particular group that Chick doesn't like you are going straight to Hell. And ultimately everyone is going to Hell unless they accept Chick's view of Jesus. That and the fact that they are illustrated much like a comic book, make them appeal to collectors but also would likely anger a parent whose child found one in a cache thinking they were getting a little comic book to read. So we have a debate, not over whether these are offensive, they clearly are, but whether we need to be so protective of impressionable children from being exposed to Chick Tracts that we no longer allow those who find them to be collectible examples of how absurd someone's idea of religion can be to trade them.

In the very first cache I ever found, I traded for a trinket that I thought was offensive and racist. Later I reliazed that it was just a souvenir that someone had brought back from a trip to Tijuana . I decded then to stop being offended by what I found in caches. If the item was inappropriate I would trade it out of a cache so some parent wouldn't have to explain it to their child or if was just trash I might CITO it from the cahe (and perhaps replace it with real swag).

March 24, 2010

Not really "naughty" but for a time someone in this area was leaving tampons in caches.

I briefly thought about trashing them out when I found them in my caches, but decided heck, one might come in handy to someone and left them.

Juvenile for an 11-year old boy to leave behind? Yeaaaa. A good find for a female cacher in a spot of bother? Most certainly. Brownie points? Only if you leave them in a ziplock baggie to keep them from getting wet.

March 24, 2010

Not really "naughty" but for a time someone in this area was leaving tampons in caches.

I briefly thought about trashing them out when I found them in my caches, but decided heck, one might come in handy to someone and left them.

Juvenile for an 11-year old boy to leave behind? Yeaaaa. A good find for a female cacher in a spot of bother? Most certainly. Brownie points? Only if you leave them in a ziplock baggie to keep them from getting wet.

I agree. It isn't the type of thing I'd leave for swag in and "in-town" cache, but at the end of a mile or two (or more) hike, that would be a pretty good thing include, as well as band-aids, toilet paper, hand warmers, Mylar blanket, etc.

1.4k · March 24, 2010

I can't remember which cache it was, but remember one of the first ones we found... We had been talking about wildlife management and our conversation had wondered off on a daft tangent, something on failing to stop the spread of grey squirrels, or how some animals need to be managed in the wild and it had just turned silly. I got to the cache box first and there lay a wrapped condom, which I quickly grabbed before the others saw it while deciding what to say, but all I could think of was, well all I could do was fall about in hysterics while the kids asked what I was laughing about ...I sneaked Mr F a look at what was in my hand, and not wanting to have to explain himself, he very matter-of-factly tried to distract the kids away from me with the cache in such a way that I fell about laughing even more.

When I looked at the wrapper at home, there was a small hole in it, held up to the light, you could see right through, as though it had been deliberately pierced. I don't think a wrapped condom is a terrible thing to come across, I just took it out on the spur of the moment because I knew the kids would ask about it and it wasn't the time or place to have one of those conversations, I could barely breathe after all. In my hysterical mind of the moment, I had to protect them from my madness or they could have been scarred by a lasting association of giant squirrels! :surprise: But one someone has put a hole in? That's naughty.

Found a machete near another, but don't think it had anything to do with the cache. It did make the kids nervous about being out in the woods. It was pretty rusty so just slung it deeper into the undergrowth to rot down.

Not really found anything that terrible, though quite a few small glass bottles of after shave, slimy sweets and some caches gone slimy when the sticker glue or PVA gets water logged. No big deal.

March 24, 2010

Perhaps it does not fall into the category of "naughty", but I made the mistake of putting a compostable pen (made from corn starch!) into my cache for people to log with. What I did not count on was my cache getting wet inside, and causing the pen to begin to decompose (read: turn to mush ). It made everything slippery and nasty. Needless to say I pulled it out of the cache, and now just use them for myself. Now I don't feel quite so guilty when I drop one in the wilderness...

Thought thinking about it now, I guess the pen would also go against the "No Food" guideline...

Oops! :surprise:

March 24, 2010

I did not read through the entire thread. I think the last page and a half made my brain a'splode.

I'm only 17 caches in and aside from a melted candle, a candy bar, broken toys and a food wrapper, I haven't really found anything inappropriate. I would love a nice butterfly knife :surprise: But I'm happy I haven't seen any of that in a cache.

G_Kelley, I did not know they made compostable pens... interesting!

Edited March 24, 2010 by starfishsaving

9.3k · March 24, 2010

I'll try and assist too...

The naughtiest things put in caches around here were fresh, uncooked eggs

I don't know that this particular item would qualify as "naughty", but it was certainly nasty. An excerpt from my log:

Did a little Riffster dance to appease the cache Gods, then pawed through all the kewl stuff inside. There were a few things that caught my eye, then I found what appeared to be a mini canned ham. At least, it was shaped like a canned ham. The label was gone, so I didn't know what was in it. The can had started to rust, and was swelling, so I figured I best remove it before it popped. I checked the log, but couldn't see where anybody had placed it. What to do, what to do?...When in doubt, do what's right. Took the can of unknown contents, left the Angelsomethingorother Travel Bug, a 1952 French 50 Francs coin, a 1957 English 1 Shilling coin, a 1950 Nederlanen 25 Cent coin, a 1966 Canadian 25 Cent coin, an Italian 100 Lira coin and a 1954 Letzeburg 25 Cmes coin.

And now for the rest of the story;

Those who know me, know that I'm not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. I often do things that, in retrospect, were probably not very smart. This adventure was no exception. I got back to the hacienda, and the contents of the mystery can kept praying on my poor overworked brain. I had to know what was in there! At Viv's insistence, I took it outside, well away from the house, and yanked on the pull tab. OH MY GOD! The stench would've knocked a buzzard off a gut wagon at 50 paces! The contents looked like cut up squid parts, but I didn't look closely enough to be sure. After a few vigorous scrubbings, my hands have lost enough of the odor of rotten suishi to be allowed in the house.

7.2k · March 24, 2010

I've removed two off topic posts.

March 24, 2010

but Groundspeak asks us to keep them out of the game

Congratulations! You've managed to make sense without invoking the guidelines!

. o O

Your patronizing tone is unwelcome and not conducive to a good discussion. I realize that you initially interpreted my comments as being antagonistic toward religion, but I have clarified - repeatedly - that they were not intended that way. That you continue to insist on making this personal is tiresome and a little disturbing.

I get it now! You're one of those "Artifical Intelligence Debate Bots" aren't you? How cute! Do you do 20 questions too?

Ooooh! oooh! oooh! I've got a stumper for you. What's the meaning of life? Are you a male bot or a female bot? I've got something in my hand.. It's made from trees, it has writing on it and has the power to waste an entire day's worth of work.. Can you guess what it is?

I love this forum. I see a nice long thread that I havent read yet and think to myself "I wonder how lame it has got..." skip to the last page, BINGO!

Now I know I dont need to waste my time reading through from the start.

Man... this place.... whats wrong with everyone?!?

March 24, 2010

But a "TICKET TO HELL" left in a cache is a whole different story.

The real question that people seem to be dancing around is this. Are there more caches available in Heaven or Hell?

The other question is who maintains the caches in Purgatory?

The Steaks

March 24, 2010

This wasn't found in the cache last night but it was within 20' of GZ. There are some city supplied bike racks near by and someone had taken a Trojan Magnum condom and placed it on the pole of the bike rack. The 21 year old daughter of my caching partner noticed it so we had to give her a ribbing about it....

As I recall, I removed said item. :surprise:

7.2k · March 24, 2010

But a "TICKET TO HELL" left in a cache is a whole different story.

The real question that people seem to be dancing around is this. Are there more caches available in Heaven or Hell?

The other question is who maintains the caches in Purgatory?

The Steaks

I would appreciate it if you would do as I have asked and stay on topic.

Naughty Swag

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