+TheAlabamaRambler Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 (edited) ... But still, I'd prefer that my son's first introduction to sex NOT be a nasty close-up in a cache. So I will continue to remove inappropriate materials from caches as a courtesy to other parents. But what if we don't think close-ups are nasty, nor that we should 'protect' our kids from them? What if we believe that condoms are not only acceptable swag but that they should be passed out by the handful to reduce teen STD and early pregnancy? Aren't you appointing yourself the world's censor? It's your job somehow to protect us from the things that you don't like? Anyhoo, with 2600+ finds in 28 states in 7 years I have yet to find anything 'naughty' enough to warrant removal. The few 'inappropriate' items that I have removed were to uphold the Guidelines, not to protect other people according to my fairly conservative social values. Edited March 19, 2010 by TheAlabamaRambler Quote Link to comment
+Clothahump Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 I've CITO'd religious propaganda from caches on a few occasions. I don't understand why some cachers insist on polluting the game with their personal agendas. Or polluting the forums with their personal agendas It's a little more difficult to put a lengthy religious or political rant in the forum, because the forum is moderated. People can leave pamphlets and books in geocaches with little or no consequence. Sure, some people sneak their propaganda into forum comments, but this forum isn't that bad. One has to expect a certain amount of that silliness in any forum where the majority of users are from a country with a highly-charged public discourse surrounding religion and politics. A lot of it is just part of the vernacular to those saying it, though it comes off as an agenda to those of us who live elsewhere. You really don't see how your comments are pushing your own anti-religious agenda? I saw the topic and knew someone was going to post something about religious material. The topic is about "Naughty" swag. The fact that you brought religion into the topic shows your agenda. Ummm....no. You don't like porn in the swag, he doesn't like religious tracts in the swag. You both probably think exactly the same about them. I know I do. Quote Link to comment
+nericksx Posted March 19, 2010 Author Share Posted March 19, 2010 While everyone is totally entitled to define "inappropriate" however they want, the definition that was rattling around my little over-ripe melon was: Things that are illegal (e.g. joint) physically dangerous (e.g. rusty fishing lure) physically icky (e.g. dog poop) liable to gunk up a cache (e.g. leaky ink pad) FWIW, I don't think religious tracts OR condoms are inappropriate. I wouldn't even pull out a bottle of lube if it was still sealed. To each their own, ya know? Like AlabamaRambler, I've pulled out stuff that was against guidelines and stuff that was ruining the swag/log, but that's it. It's not my job to sensor swag. But this is coming from a person who it was assumed let her 4 yr old smoke pot. Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Since we're including naughty items near geocaches.... While looking for a hotel to stay in while in Barcelona next month I found one that I kind of liked and there was a geocache very close to the hotel. That geocaches is very close to this: Quote Link to comment
+RobDJr Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 I once found an ammo can with a few porn mags in it. Reading the logs afterward, I found it was a recurring thing where a finder would remove the mags, and and shortly after it would be 'restocked'... Consensus was that a muggle teen had figured out that a waterproof ammo can was a better place to hide his stash than letting it get wet under a rock. I had a fun time 'splaining to my wife why I came home from geocaching with those mags... She understood the what's and why's but it was just too much fun giving me a hard time about it. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 ... But this is coming from a person who it was assumed let her 4 yr old smoke pot. Well, it was pot found in a cache, so I can see why you didn't let the tyke toke. Who knows where it's been. Unfortunately the desire for censorship runs deep in our society, especially when it comes to religion. I'm a Southern Baptist by personal choice, and a Chaplain of that church as a way to serve others, but I'm not about to tell anyone what I think they must believe. I wanted my kids to learn about all religions and choose what felt right to them, not take on religious beliefs that someone told them they'd go to hell for violating. In all five cases I am happy with their choices, mostly because they were their choices! Perhaps if folks could see tracts in caches as an opportunity to learn something and broaden their world view then their kids would be better equipped to make choices for themselves. Reading a tract doesn't cast a spell on you and cause you to shed your beliefs and sign on to theirs. That said, I wouldn't leave tracts in caches but I wouldn't CITO them either. I'm sure that I have seen them in caches but I can't specifically recall when, so it's not like it's a major issue! Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Since we're including naughty items near geocaches.... While looking for a hotel to stay in while in Barcelona next month I found one that I kind of liked and there was a geocache very close to the hotel. That geocaches is very close to this: Wow... wonder who would want their building to look like a suppository? Quote Link to comment
AZcachemeister Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 Probably the most 'questionable' item was a condom. It was a 'MAGNUM' and therefore useless to me. Quote Link to comment
+Cliff's Notes Posted March 21, 2010 Share Posted March 21, 2010 When I first started out geocaching I went out for a day of Geo-walking from the hotel. One of the caches I found was a coffee can stuffed to the gills with of all things Black Cat firecrackers. These were the finger losing kind that explode not the whizzers that start the brushfires. I was unsure if this was kosher but I felt really uncomfortable with this cache. It was soooo full of the pyrotechnics I had to take some just to make the lid fit again. And after that I was walking around with firecrackers in my pocket till I could find a puddle. I live and work on the road I don't have my own place to live and store things and my job has my luggage going into secure areas where things like this would go over like a lead balloon. In my misspent youth a find like this would make my day but now I know I am mortal, and prone to breaking so this find just made me depressed. Quote Link to comment
+nericksx Posted March 22, 2010 Author Share Posted March 22, 2010 While caching yesterday I found a little tin of Bacon Mints. Besides being against guidelines to put food in a cache, they just smelled revolting. Bleh! Some people! Quote Link to comment
+The Marathon Man Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While out doing cache maintenance today, I found a wrapped unused condom in a well-used wallet in one of my caches. I disposed of both shortly after. Quote Link to comment
+Vater_Araignee Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While out doing cache maintenance today, I found a wrapped unused condom in a well-used wallet in one of my caches. I disposed of both shortly after. Are you sure you didn't throw away some dudes wallet with his 10 year old lucky condom? Quote Link to comment
+The Marathon Man Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 He wasn't so lucky in this case was he? Quote Link to comment
+Vater_Araignee Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 He wasn't so lucky in this case was he? well anyone with a ten year old lucky condom isn't that lucky are they? Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 He wasn't so lucky in this case was he? well anyone with a ten year old lucky condom isn't that lucky are they? Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While out doing cache maintenance today, I found a wrapped unused condom in a well-used wallet in one of my caches. I disposed of both shortly after. You did get the cash out of the hidden pocket though, didn't you? Quote Link to comment
+SKRBCO Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 The person who hid the cache put his mother's cremation ashes in it. I am not joking. Quote Link to comment
MaryofCrestline Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I found a breast implant once. seriously. What a boob. I dont know if I could of thought of touching it to get it out of the cache container. No idea whose body that has been in. Yuck! Quote Link to comment
+Opalblade Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Since we're including naughty items near geocaches.... While looking for a hotel to stay in while in Barcelona next month I found one that I kind of liked and there was a geocache very close to the hotel. That geocaches is very close to this: Ooo it would be fun coming up with (innocent-looking) names for caches placed nearby Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While everyone is totally entitled to define "inappropriate" however they want, the definition that was rattling around my little over-ripe melon was: Things that are illegal (e.g. joint) physically dangerous (e.g. rusty fishing lure) physically icky (e.g. dog poop) liable to gunk up a cache (e.g. leaky ink pad) FWIW, I don't think religious tracts OR condoms are inappropriate. I wouldn't even pull out a bottle of lube if it was still sealed. To each their own, ya know? Like AlabamaRambler, I've pulled out stuff that was against guidelines and stuff that was ruining the swag/log, but that's it. It's not my job to sensor swag. But this is coming from a person who it was assumed let her 4 yr old smoke pot. "Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda." Cache owners can be held responsible for objects placed in the cache by others. If I decided to drop a handful of Green Party pamphlets, or stickers that say "God probably doesn't exist, so go on and enjoy your life" stickers into a geocache, they could cause the cache to be reported for promoting an agenda even though the owner wasn't the one who put them there. We all think our causes are worthwhile, but geocaches aren't the place for them. People who *want* to expose their kids to certain things can find those opportunities elsewhere. Geocaches should remain free of all agendas - that's why the guidelines address this. Quote Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Oh gawd. Not this thread again. Quote Link to comment
The 2 Dogs Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Probably a women's brassiere, and a condom. Quote Link to comment
+Viridios Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) ... But this is coming from a person who it was assumed let her 4 yr old smoke pot. Unfortunately the desire for censorship runs deep in our society, especially when it comes to religion. I'm a Southern Baptist by personal choice, and a Chaplain of that church as a way to serve others, but I'm not about to tell anyone what I think they must believe. I wanted my kids to learn about all religions and choose what felt right to them, not take on religious beliefs that someone told them they'd go to hell for violating. In all five cases I am happy with their choices, mostly because they were their choices! As a Wiccan, I am always very pleased to find people out there who realize that there are more than one religion in the world. I am especially pleased when they allow their children to explore and learn about the various religions before they make a choice. As for religious material in caches, I say take them out. They are against the guidelines, and besides, they can get wet and become mush. Kinda nasty... Edited March 22, 2010 by G_Kelley Quote Link to comment
+10Finger$Bandits Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) narcissa wins this round i think... that other person is tring to twist and turn the point she’s getting across.. Some of m best friends are super religious and of various faiths personally im not so much. but this sport/activity is meant to be a worldwide game played in unison. my son, when he is ready will be free to explore sex in both conversational and physical and the same goes for religion. its not the time and place to ruin our game by trying to smash the two worlds together. there’s no censorship involved; Yesterday i found a Christian rock cd...fine no problem, but if i find something that is CLEARLY trying to promote a religion ill be removing it as well.. like narcissa i think already said its not because of her believe, but a very strong Jewish family may stumble upon some very strong Christian material and that would probably ruin their adventure for the day! Its time to share with one another things that everyone can appreciate not divide and go our own ways. On anther note some silly person left a large empty bag of sour cream ships so I chucked it! Edited March 22, 2010 by 10Finger$Bandits Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While out doing cache maintenance today, I found a wrapped unused condom in a well-used wallet in one of my caches. I disposed of both shortly after. Are you sure you didn't throw away some dudes wallet with his 10 year old lucky condom? It it's 10 years old how lucky can it be? Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Since we're including naughty items near geocaches.... While looking for a hotel to stay in while in Barcelona next month I found one that I kind of liked and there was a geocache very close to the hotel. That geocaches is very close to this: (image snipped) Ooo it would be fun coming up with (innocent-looking) names for caches placed nearby I think the nearby cache goes by the same name as that tower. I'd probably do something like "What's that buzzing sound?" Quote Link to comment
JohnX Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 narcissa wins this round i think... Well she certainly sounds like a person of strong and baseless opinion if not someone who has an intense need to control the actions of others. ... a very strong Jewish family may stumble upon some very strong Christian material and that would probably ruin their adventure for the day! In your particular example, if the "very strong Jewish family" has their adventure ruined for the day by the mere presence of a small pamphlet containing information they don't believe in anyway, then the problem lies with them and not the person who left the information. Anyone can take the position that something "offends them so much" it should not be allowed. It is usually just a ploy used when there is no logical defense for their argument. Anyone can claim they are offended by anything. Just remember, taking offense is not a valid argument or defense for anything. Quote Link to comment
+ReadyOrNot Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While everyone is totally entitled to define "inappropriate" however they want, the definition that was rattling around my little over-ripe melon was: Things that are illegal (e.g. joint) physically dangerous (e.g. rusty fishing lure) physically icky (e.g. dog poop) liable to gunk up a cache (e.g. leaky ink pad) FWIW, I don't think religious tracts OR condoms are inappropriate. I wouldn't even pull out a bottle of lube if it was still sealed. To each their own, ya know? Like AlabamaRambler, I've pulled out stuff that was against guidelines and stuff that was ruining the swag/log, but that's it. It's not my job to sensor swag. But this is coming from a person who it was assumed let her 4 yr old smoke pot. "Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda." Cache owners can be held responsible for objects placed in the cache by others. If I decided to drop a handful of Green Party pamphlets, or stickers that say "God probably doesn't exist, so go on and enjoy your life" stickers into a geocache, they could cause the cache to be reported for promoting an agenda even though the owner wasn't the one who put them there. We all think our causes are worthwhile, but geocaches aren't the place for them. People who *want* to expose their kids to certain things can find those opportunities elsewhere. Geocaches should remain free of all agendas - that's why the guidelines address this. Groundspeak is concerned about the content on the website and ensuring that the content on the website does not solicit. Groundspeak does not control the content of the Geocache container. You've been around long enough to know this and yet you still use the argument. The shame in all of this is that others seem to think you are making sense... I suppose even Charles Manson managed a few followers. Quote Link to comment
+Snoogans Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) While everyone is totally entitled to define "inappropriate" however they want, the definition that was rattling around my little over-ripe melon was: Things that are illegal (e.g. joint) physically dangerous (e.g. rusty fishing lure) physically icky (e.g. dog poop) liable to gunk up a cache (e.g. leaky ink pad) FWIW, I don't think religious tracts OR condoms are inappropriate. I wouldn't even pull out a bottle of lube if it was still sealed. To each their own, ya know? Like AlabamaRambler, I've pulled out stuff that was against guidelines and stuff that was ruining the swag/log, but that's it. It's not my job to sensor swag. But this is coming from a person who it was assumed let her 4 yr old smoke pot. "Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda." Cache owners can be held responsible for objects placed in the cache by others. If I decided to drop a handful of Green Party pamphlets, or stickers that say "God probably doesn't exist, so go on and enjoy your life" stickers into a geocache, they could cause the cache to be reported for promoting an agenda even though the owner wasn't the one who put them there. We all think our causes are worthwhile, but geocaches aren't the place for them. People who *want* to expose their kids to certain things can find those opportunities elsewhere. Geocaches should remain free of all agendas - that's why the guidelines address this. Groundspeak is concerned about the content on the website and ensuring that the content on the website does not solicit. Groundspeak does not control the content of the Geocache container. You've been around long enough to know this and yet you still use the argument. The shame in all of this is that others seem to think you are making sense... I suppose even Charles Manson managed a few followers. I'm gonna hafta ask for a Godwin ruling here. While I agree that narcissa person is wrong, I think that just jumped the shark for the other side of that argument. Edited March 22, 2010 by Snoogans Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I've CITO'd religious propaganda from caches on a few occasions. I don't understand why some cachers insist on polluting the game with their personal agendas. Or polluting the forums with their personal agendas Very well said! Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it narcissa person? Being devoutly Agnostic, I see no harm in religious items in caches as long as it's one to three of the same tract and any other tracts in the same cache are different. I found 50+ of the same tract in one of my caches and removed all but 3. There is a cacher in these forums who claims to have rediscovered his faith through a tract found in a cache. That's cool with me. I found inspiration in a cache once.... The best naughty item I've ever found and still have in my sig items and interesting swag case is a Penthouse centerfold of a really hot Asian woman. Back in 2004 this was..... I think it kinda influenced me. I met her in 2005 and married her in 2007.... Ooh yeah, I remember that issue. You actually met her? Lucky Dood! Quote Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 The shame in all of this is that others seem to think you are making sense... I suppose even Charles Manson managed a few followers. Dude. Manson wasn't even Canadian. Sheesh. Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 <SNIPPAGE of unnecessary nested quotes> As a Wiccan, I am always very pleased to find people out there who realize that there are more than one religion in the world. I am especially pleased when they allow their children to explore and learn about the various religions before they make a choice. As for religious material in caches, I say take them out. They are against the guidelines, and besides, they can get wet and become mush. Kinda nasty... Really? Which guideline would that be? I'm offereing this handy linky to the contents guideline to save time. A cache page may not solicit, but there isn't anything about that in the contents guideline. I'm kinda impartial to finding religious tracts in caches. On the one hand, they are not going to influence my thoughts. On the other hand you have more fingers they provide excellent fair trading swag for my Sweet Potato tracts. I'm sure the rude and oppressive old-timers just knew it was a matter of time before that got posted. Quote Link to comment
+Snoogans Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) I've CITO'd religious propaganda from caches on a few occasions. I don't understand why some cachers insist on polluting the game with their personal agendas. Or polluting the forums with their personal agendas Very well said! Hindsight is 20/20 isn't it narcissa person? Being devoutly Agnostic, I see no harm in religious items in caches as long as it's one to three of the same tract and any other tracts in the same cache are different. I found 50+ of the same tract in one of my caches and removed all but 3. There is a cacher in these forums who claims to have rediscovered his faith through a tract found in a cache. That's cool with me. I found inspiration in a cache once.... The best naughty item I've ever found and still have in my sig items and interesting swag case is a Penthouse centerfold of a really hot Asian woman. Back in 2004 this was..... I think it kinda influenced me. I met her in 2005 and married her in 2007.... Ooh yeah, I remember that issue. You actually met her? Lucky Dood! Ya know, I realised someone might think that right after I posted, but never got around to clarification. NO. My wife was never a Penthouse centerfold. I however, was IN a Penthouse video called "The Girls of Rick's Caberet." Back in 1985. I kept my clothes ON. Edited March 22, 2010 by Snoogans Quote Link to comment
+Snoogans Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 <SNIPPAGE of unnecessary nested quotes> As a Wiccan, I am always very pleased to find people out there who realize that there are more than one religion in the world. I am especially pleased when they allow their children to explore and learn about the various religions before they make a choice. As for religious material in caches, I say take them out. They are against the guidelines, and besides, they can get wet and become mush. Kinda nasty... Really? Which guideline would that be? I'm offereing this handy linky to the contents guideline to save time. A cache page may not solicit, but there isn't anything about that in the contents guideline. I'm kinda impartial to finding religious tracts in caches. On the one hand, they are not going to influence my thoughts. On the other hand you have more fingers they provide excellent fair trading swag for my Sweet Potato tracts. I'm sure the rude and oppressive old-timers just knew it was a matter of time before that got posted. Yep. I KNEW it was coming. I still have MY SP tract from GW3. Quote Link to comment
+Viridios Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 <SNIPPAGE of unnecessary nested quotes> As a Wiccan, I am always very pleased to find people out there who realize that there are more than one religion in the world. I am especially pleased when they allow their children to explore and learn about the various religions before they make a choice. As for religious material in caches, I say take them out. They are against the guidelines, and besides, they can get wet and become mush. Kinda nasty... Really? Which guideline would that be? I'm offereing this handy linky to the contents guideline to save time. A cache page may not solicit, but there isn't anything about that in the contents guideline. I'm kinda impartial to finding religious tracts in caches. On the one hand, they are not going to influence my thoughts. On the other hand you have more fingers they provide excellent fair trading swag for my Sweet Potato tracts. I'm sure the rude and oppressive old-timers just knew it was a matter of time before that got posted. From the guidelines: Caches that Solicit Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda. Sure, the cache itself may not be a platform for religious propaganda, but by placing religious material into the cache, you are now using the cache as a platform. To each their own. You choose to leave it in, then by all means, go for it. I will do what I feel is in keeping with the guidelines. Quote Link to comment
+ReadyOrNot Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I however, was IN a Penthouse video called "The Girls of Rick's Caberet." Back in 1985. Lunch is just a couple hours away... Thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Trust me on this one-the solicitation guideline applies to the listing itself and not the contents, the contents guideline to the contents of the cache. If you are going to remove the tracts, at least trade fairly as I do with the Sweet Potato ones. Quote Link to comment
+ReadyOrNot Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 <SNIPPAGE of unnecessary nested quotes> As a Wiccan, I am always very pleased to find people out there who realize that there are more than one religion in the world. I am especially pleased when they allow their children to explore and learn about the various religions before they make a choice. As for religious material in caches, I say take them out. They are against the guidelines, and besides, they can get wet and become mush. Kinda nasty... Really? Which guideline would that be? I'm offereing this handy linky to the contents guideline to save time. A cache page may not solicit, but there isn't anything about that in the contents guideline. I'm kinda impartial to finding religious tracts in caches. On the one hand, they are not going to influence my thoughts. On the other hand you have more fingers they provide excellent fair trading swag for my Sweet Potato tracts. I'm sure the rude and oppressive old-timers just knew it was a matter of time before that got posted. From the guidelines: Caches that Solicit Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda. Sure, the cache itself may not be a platform for religious propaganda, but by placing religious material into the cache, you are now using the cache as a platform. To each their own. You choose to leave it in, then by all means, go for it. I will do what I feel is in keeping with the guidelines. Caches perceived "TO BE POSTED" for religious... Do you really not understand the difference here? Someone placing an item in my cache does not change what I, as the cache owner, placed the cache to be. Quote Link to comment
+Viridios Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 <SNIPPAGE of unnecessary nested quotes> As a Wiccan, I am always very pleased to find people out there who realize that there are more than one religion in the world. I am especially pleased when they allow their children to explore and learn about the various religions before they make a choice. As for religious material in caches, I say take them out. They are against the guidelines, and besides, they can get wet and become mush. Kinda nasty... Really? Which guideline would that be? I'm offereing this handy linky to the contents guideline to save time. A cache page may not solicit, but there isn't anything about that in the contents guideline. I'm kinda impartial to finding religious tracts in caches. On the one hand, they are not going to influence my thoughts. On the other hand you have more fingers they provide excellent fair trading swag for my Sweet Potato tracts. I'm sure the rude and oppressive old-timers just knew it was a matter of time before that got posted. From the guidelines: Caches that Solicit Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda. Sure, the cache itself may not be a platform for religious propaganda, but by placing religious material into the cache, you are now using the cache as a platform. To each their own. You choose to leave it in, then by all means, go for it. I will do what I feel is in keeping with the guidelines. Caches perceived "TO BE POSTED" for religious... Do you really not understand the difference here? Someone placing an item in my cache does not change what I, as the cache owner, placed the cache to be. I see this very quickly becoming ugly, and as such, this will be my last comment on this issue in here. I have my personal feelings regarding this subject, as do you, and there are just as many ideas as there are people. You do what you think is right, and I will do what I think is right. We can beat each other over the head for hours about this, and you know just as well as I do that l will not be able to change your mind, just as you will be unable to change mine. Shall we just agree to disagree and move on? Quote Link to comment
+Snoogans Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 <SNIPPAGE of unnecessary nested quotes> As a Wiccan, I am always very pleased to find people out there who realize that there are more than one religion in the world. I am especially pleased when they allow their children to explore and learn about the various religions before they make a choice. As for religious material in caches, I say take them out. They are against the guidelines, and besides, they can get wet and become mush. Kinda nasty... Really? Which guideline would that be? I'm offereing this handy linky to the contents guideline to save time. A cache page may not solicit, but there isn't anything about that in the contents guideline. I'm kinda impartial to finding religious tracts in caches. On the one hand, they are not going to influence my thoughts. On the other hand you have more fingers they provide excellent fair trading swag for my Sweet Potato tracts. I'm sure the rude and oppressive old-timers just knew it was a matter of time before that got posted. From the guidelines: Caches that Solicit Solicitations are off-limits. For example, caches perceived to be posted for religious, political, charitable or social agendas are not permitted. Geocaching is supposed to be a light, fun activity, not a platform for an agenda. Sure, the cache itself may not be a platform for religious propaganda, but by placing religious material into the cache, you are now using the cache as a platform. To each their own. You choose to leave it in, then by all means, go for it. I will do what I feel is in keeping with the guidelines. Caches perceived "TO BE POSTED" for religious... Do you really not understand the difference here? Someone placing an item in my cache does not change what I, as the cache owner, placed the cache to be. I see this very quickly becoming ugly, and as such, this will be my last comment on this issue in here. I have my personal feelings regarding this subject, as do you, and there are just as many ideas as there are people. You do what you think is right, and I will do what I think is right. We can beat each other over the head for hours about this, and you know just as well as I do that l will not be able to change your mind, just as you will be unable to change mine. Shall we just agree to disagree and move on? I'm pretty durn sure that there is no precedent for a cache being archived by Groundspeak because someone other than the owner put religious items in a cache. I'm gonna say you're wrong too. Unless you know sumthin' I don't know and want to share..... Is it okay if I agree to disagree too? Quote Link to comment
+Viridios Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 I'm pretty durn sure that there is no precedent for a cache being archived by Groundspeak because someone other than the owner put religious items in a cache. I'm gonna say you're wrong too. Unless you know sumthin' I don't know and want to share..... Is it okay if I agree to disagree too? Sure, not a problem! I'm use to it. I'm a married man, after all! We're always wrong! Quote Link to comment
+ReadyOrNot Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) I'm pretty durn sure that there is no precedent for a cache being archived by Groundspeak because someone other than the owner put religious items in a cache. I'm gonna say you're wrong too. Unless you know sumthin' I don't know and want to share..... Is it okay if I agree to disagree too? Sure, not a problem! I'm use to it. I'm a married man, after all! We're always wrong! Often, we read guidelines and apply our personal views where they have no place to be applied. I'm glad that you have realized your error. It takes a big man to admit his mistakes. Can we move on now? Edited March 22, 2010 by ReadyOrNot Quote Link to comment
GPS-Hermit Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) I found a small bottle of Jack once - traded for it and drank it - it was great - loved it but wouldn't do that to a cache. Mostly I discard dirty or broken items - dirty cut golf balls just got to go! Edited March 22, 2010 by GPS-Hermit Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Religious tracts aren't naughty. I don't like them but they aren't naughty. Used condoms are naughty. Used under garments are naughty. Pornographic materials are naughty. Adult novelties are naughty. Drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and the like, as well as their paraphernalia are naughty. Naughty items do not belong in geocaches. Quote Link to comment
+ThePetersTrio Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 While caching yesterday I found a little tin of Bacon Mints. Besides being against guidelines to put food in a cache, they just smelled revolting. Bleh! Some people! BlueDeuce can we get a ruling on the "Bacon Mints" please? I love bacon but even that sounds disgusting... Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Used condoms are naughty. As far as I know you are the first to introduce the word "used" into the debate. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Used condoms are naughty. As far as I know you are the first to introduce the word "used" into the debate. That is because I don't necessarily feel that intact condoms in their original packaging are necessarily naughty. As pointed out in numerous threads and posts, condoms can be a useful survival tool once a person gets past the perceived naughtiness factor. Quote Link to comment
+briansnat Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 Not really "naughty" but for a time someone in this area was leaving tampons in caches. I briefly thought about trashing them out when I found them in my caches, but decided heck, one might come in handy to someone and left them. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted March 22, 2010 Share Posted March 22, 2010 (edited) Not really "naughty" but for a time someone in this area was leaving tampons in caches. I briefly thought about trashing them out when I found them in my caches, but decided heck, one might come in handy to someone and left them. One would imagine that a person who places tampons is either an adolescent minded male (of undetermined age) or someone who has needed one, for whatever reason, and not had one while out exploring the world. To me a packaged tampon would be no different than a packaged roll of TP in a cache. A roll of TP could arguably be extremely valuable in a cache off the beaten path. Edited March 22, 2010 by bittsen Quote Link to comment
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