+buzzy_cacher Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 According to Groundspeak Release Notes today there are some caches in sapce??? "15191: Caches In Space Clarified cosmic geocaching guidelines" To see the post click here Thoughts??? Quote Link to comment
+buzzy_cacher Posted February 24, 2010 Author Share Posted February 24, 2010 OMG THERE IS!!! CLICK HERE!!! for forum. CLICK HERE FOR LISTING!!! Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 OMG THERE IS!!! CLICK HERE!!! for forum. CLICK HERE FOR LISTING!!! You were away for a while, weren't you? Quote Link to comment
+narcissa Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 OMG THERE IS!!! CLICK HERE!!! for forum. CLICK HERE FOR LISTING!!! You were away for a while, weren't you? OMG did you hear that Michael Jackson died? Quote Link to comment
+DarkZen Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Interesting to note that the cache-placer has only two hides. On the other one he states, For the record, this geocache is real, and can be found. Most years Deep Ocean Expeditions (www.deepoceanexpeditions.com) takes people down to these vents, and you can go too! It is done as a cooperation between eco-tourism and extremophile research. Scientific study of high temperature bacteria and anaerobic life forms are subsidised by taking tourists to the vents. I have visited them twice myself. With 10-30 people visiting a year, I presume one will be a geocacher like me... sooner or later!" And yet despite being a member since 2002, he only has 1 find. WAIT! Michael Jackson died!!! Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Interesting to note that the cache-placer has only two hides. On the other one he states, For the record, this geocache is real, and can be found. Most years Deep Ocean Expeditions (www.deepoceanexpeditions.com) takes people down to these vents, and you can go too! It is done as a cooperation between eco-tourism and extremophile research. Scientific study of high temperature bacteria and anaerobic life forms are subsidised by taking tourists to the vents. I have visited them twice myself. With 10-30 people visiting a year, I presume one will be a geocacher like me... sooner or later!" And yet despite being a member since 2002, he only has 1 find. WAIT! Michael Jackson died!!! No, Michael and Elvis are alive and well on the International Space Station. Who do you think hid the cache there? Shh... don't tell anybody. Quote Link to comment
+user13371 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) Seems to me that the first "geocache" -- and cacher -- in space preceded the ISS and the inception of Groundspeak by a great many years. Surveyor 3 was placed on the moon in April 1967, and Alan Bean got FTF credit in November 1969. But perhaps this is lunar-caching. Source: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...3_apollo12.html Edited February 24, 2010 by lee_rimar Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Seems to me that the first "geocache" -- and cacher -- in space preceded the ISS and the inception of Groundspeak by a great many years. Surveyor 3 was placed on the moon in April 1967, and Alan Bean got FTF credit in November 1969. But perhaps this is lunar-caching.Source: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/mult...3_apollo12.html Oh, come on now... everybody knows the moon landing was faked!! Quote Link to comment
+user13371 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 ...the moon landing was faked!!Oh, I hope not. I have high-hopes for future tourism, to include lunar-caching vacations -- folks will pay big money for a chance to recover some of the swag left out there. Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 14708: "NEW" logo appearing next to no-longer-new features on geocaching.comRemoved "new" icon from certain features. No word yet on "old" icon 15191: Caches In Space Clarified cosmic geocaching guidelines I anxiously await the cosmic geocaching guidelines, though due to budget constraints, these will be of only theoretical interest to me personally. The OLD icon however, is something that might be immediately applicable for me. Hoping it comes along soon. Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) The OLD icon however, is something that might be immediately applicable for me. Hoping it comes along soon. I would love to see what Bittsen can come up with for that! (besides... just think of how often we'd be able to use it here, too!! Instead of "You were away for a while, weren't you?" and "Did you know that Michael Jackson died?", we could have simply posted the Old Icon!) Edited February 24, 2010 by knowschad Quote Link to comment
+maggi101 Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Interesting to note that the cache-placer has only two hides. On the other one he states, And yet despite being a member since 2002, he only has 1 find. The cache placer is a bit of an eccentric public figure. I would not be at all surprised if he placed those on a puppet account. Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Geocaches in Space (or other planets/spacecraft) We do allow cache listings in outer space such as in the International Space Station or on Mars. Make sure you can land or connect to the space station/planet for it to be acceptable as a listing. Keep in mind, however, that due to the saturation guideline you can't place another cache on the ISS since one is already listed there. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#space well, I'm glad that's been clarified Quote Link to comment
+tozainamboku Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I am concerned with the introduction of humor to the cache listing guidelines. This will no doubt cause the most problems for the reviewers. I am convinced that lack of a sense of humor is a requirement for becoming a reviewer. The reviewers are likely to take this seriously and asked people who submit caches in space to confirm they can land or connect to the space station/planet for it to be published. I'm not sure what proof will be acceptable. My guess is we will see threads complaining the reviewers are asking for information that they don't required for any other caches. The new guidelines also don't address the issue of what coordinates to use. For the space station the idea seems to be to use the coordinates of the Baikonur Cosmodrome; with the longitude changed from E to W to put the cache in the ocean off Nova Scotia. If these inaccurate coordinates are in fact acceptable the guideline needs to be changed to indicate that the owner does not have to obtain the coordinates with a GPS and the use of accurate GPS coordinates as an integral part of the hunt is not required to be demonstrated as it is for all other physical cache submissions. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 I am concerned with the introduction of humor to the cache listing guidelines. This will no doubt cause the most problems for the reviewers. I am convinced that lack of a sense of humor is a requirement for becoming a reviewer. The reviewers are likely to take this seriously and asked people who submit caches in space to confirm they can land or connect to the space station/planet for it to be published. I'm not sure what proof will be acceptable. My guess is we will see threads complaining the reviewers are asking for information that they don't required for any other caches. The new guidelines also don't address the issue of what coordinates to use. For the space station the idea seems to be to use the coordinates of the Baikonur Cosmodrome; with the longitude changed from E to W to put the cache in the ocean off Nova Scotia. If these inaccurate coordinates are in fact acceptable the guideline needs to be changed to indicate that the owner does not have to obtain the coordinates with a GPS and the use of accurate GPS coordinates as an integral part of the hunt is not required to be demonstrated as it is for all other physical cache submissions. Furthermore, one would stipulate that caches no longer will have to be available to anyone. You could not, for instance, build your own space ship and go to the space station to log your cache. If you even try, they will likely treat you as a trespasser. So, will we have a run of caches that require explicit permission and paid transportation just to seek the cache? It sounds like a commercial cache to me. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Interesting to note that the cache-placer has only two hides. On the other one he states, And yet despite being a member since 2002, he only has 1 find. The cache placer is a bit of an eccentric public figure. I would not be at all surprised if he placed those on a puppet account. If I have $30 million to splurge on a trip to the space station, and demonstrated it by hiding a cache there, I wouldn't publicize my daily whereabouts by logging my finds under that account. Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted February 24, 2010 Share Posted February 24, 2010 Furthermore, one would stipulate that caches no longer will have to be available to anyone. You could not, for instance, build your own space ship and go to the space station to log your cache. If you even try, they will likely treat you as a trespasser.So, will we have a run of caches that require explicit permission and paid transportation just to seek the cache? It sounds like a commercial cache to me. Do caches ever have a "must be available to anyone" requirement? Caches on military bases in Iraq / Afghanistan - explicit permission. I know of at least one cache not far from me where you require explicit permission to enter the grounds. Caches in foreign country (let's say, Falkland Islands) - paid transportation. You also require permission to enter foreign countries, much to the surprise of a few people. There is a "fee required" attribute. Then there's extreme terrain caches. Quote Link to comment
+Isonzo Karst Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 1) I am concerned with the introduction of humor to the cache listing guidelines. This will no doubt cause the most problems for the reviewers.... 2) My guess is we will see threads complaining... 1) I'm sure yer right on that. I figure Puppymonster and Keystone can handle it. After those two??? of course, I'm not sure that there really are any other reviewers, aside from maybe Rogue. 2) yes! Quote Link to comment
+simpjkee Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 I am concerned with the introduction of humor to the cache listing guidelines. I couldn't agree more. Maybe I need to go lighten up. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Furthermore, one would stipulate that caches no longer will have to be available to anyone. You could not, for instance, build your own space ship and go to the space station to log your cache. If you even try, they will likely treat you as a trespasser.So, will we have a run of caches that require explicit permission and paid transportation just to seek the cache? It sounds like a commercial cache to me. Do caches ever have a "must be available to anyone" requirement? I believe I have seen that in print from a reviewer or in the guidelines somewhere... Quote Link to comment
+maggi101 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 If I have $30 million to splurge on a trip to the space station, and demonstrated it by hiding a cache there, I wouldn't publicize my daily whereabouts by logging my finds under that account. The side of the coin being, his home (Brittania Manor), however, is a rather well known landmark in Texas. It was featured on MTv Cribs, Lifestyles of The Rich And Famous, and was the site of a world famous Halloween haunted house for over a decade. To call Richard Garriott eccentric is understating things. Quote Link to comment
+Juicepig Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 "15191: Caches In Space Clarified cosmic geocaching guidelines" I'm still not finding these new guidelines they are talking about... anyone got a link? Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Furthermore, one would stipulate that caches no longer will have to be available to anyone. You could not, for instance, build your own space ship and go to the space station to log your cache. If you even try, they will likely treat you as a trespasser.So, will we have a run of caches that require explicit permission and paid transportation just to seek the cache? It sounds like a commercial cache to me. Do caches ever have a "must be available to anyone" requirement? Of COURSE they do!! Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 "15191: Caches In Space Clarified cosmic geocaching guidelines" I'm still not finding these new guidelines they are talking about... anyone got a link? See post #13 Quote Link to comment
+EscapeFromFlatland Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 OMG did you hear that Michael Jackson died? That was the first thing I was told after landing in Kuwait on my way to Iraq last summer. Quote Link to comment
+geodarts Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) Its one thing for Jeremy to approve a cache on the ISS. But the guidelines should be clarified to state that if you are placing one on the Moon or Mars, you need the explicit permission of the mine owner. I suppose thats covered by earthly guidelines, but from what I hear on coasttocoast (or read on abovetopsecret) there is a lot of activity up there. At the very least, we should be aware of the various claims that might interfere with caching. Edited February 25, 2010 by Erickson Quote Link to comment
+NYPaddleCacher Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Furthermore, one would stipulate that caches no longer will have to be available to anyone. You could not, for instance, build your own space ship and go to the space station to log your cache. If you even try, they will likely treat you as a trespasser.So, will we have a run of caches that require explicit permission and paid transportation just to seek the cache? It sounds like a commercial cache to me. Do caches ever have a "must be available to anyone" requirement? Caches on military bases in Iraq / Afghanistan - explicit permission. I know of at least one cache not far from me where you require explicit permission to enter the grounds. Caches in foreign country (let's say, Falkland Islands) - paid transportation. You also require permission to enter foreign countries, much to the surprise of a few people. There is a "fee required" attribute. Then there's extreme terrain caches. Agreed. There are a lot of caches that, realistically, most geocachers will never be able to find due to their remoteness or travel expenses required to get to the area. When I found a cache in Zimbabwe I paid $30 for a day visa and another $15 for an entrance fee into the park where it was located. I was only in Zimbabwe for about 2 hours. There is a cache in Tanzania that I may be able to find that has text in the description which indicates that the terrain rating does not include the difficulty of getting to Tanzania and the park where it's located. Even with modern jets and fairly short layovers in three different airports on the way back it's going to take me almost 24 hours to get home from that cache. Quote Link to comment
Andronicus Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Furthermore, one would stipulate that caches no longer will have to be available to anyone. You could not, for instance, build your own space ship and go to the space station to log your cache. If you even try, they will likely treat you as a trespasser.So, will we have a run of caches that require explicit permission and paid transportation just to seek the cache? It sounds like a commercial cache to me. Do caches ever have a "must be available to anyone" requirement? Caches on military bases in Iraq / Afghanistan - explicit permission. I know of at least one cache not far from me where you require explicit permission to enter the grounds. Caches in foreign country (let's say, Falkland Islands) - paid transportation. You also require permission to enter foreign countries, much to the surprise of a few people. There is a "fee required" attribute. Then there's extreme terrain caches. My reviewr made me put on the "Not available in Winter" attribute for my cache on a ski hill due to the commercial guidline. Maybe I should ask if I can change that to the Fee Required attribute. Quote Link to comment
+buzzy_cacher Posted February 25, 2010 Author Share Posted February 25, 2010 My reviewr made me put on the "Not available in Winter" attribute for my cache on a ski hill due to the commercial guidline. Maybe I should ask if I can change that to the Fee Required attribute. If a cache is not available in winter does that mean it is disabled for a 1/4 of the year??? Quote Link to comment
knowschad Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 My reviewr made me put on the "Not available in Winter" attribute for my cache on a ski hill due to the commercial guidline. Maybe I should ask if I can change that to the Fee Required attribute. If a cache is not available in winter does that mean it is disabled for a 1/4 of the year??? That happens frequently here in Minnesota, except that calling winter here "1/4 year" is rather optimistic. Except that often they are actually disabled for the winter, not just marked with the attribute. Quote Link to comment
+42at42 Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Why doesn't Mr. Spock have a sense of humour? Is it because he is always jealous of Cap't Kirk. Maybe he wishes he had an accent like Scottie. Couldn't find a proper forum for this question so I thought I'd post it here. Quote Link to comment
Andronicus Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 My reviewr made me put on the "Not available in Winter" attribute for my cache on a ski hill due to the commercial guidline. Maybe I should ask if I can change that to the Fee Required attribute. If a cache is not available in winter does that mean it is disabled for a 1/4 of the year??? The thing is that is it always available. But to get around the commercial requirement, the reviewer had me add in that attribute. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 My reviewr made me put on the "Not available in Winter" attribute for my cache on a ski hill due to the commercial guidline. Maybe I should ask if I can change that to the Fee Required attribute. If a cache is not available in winter does that mean it is disabled for a 1/4 of the year??? The thing is that is it always available. But to get around the commercial requirement, the reviewer had me add in that attribute. That's odd. Last time I checked, it's perfectly legal to WALK up a ski slope. Your cache would still be available, would it not? Quote Link to comment
Andronicus Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 My reviewr made me put on the "Not available in Winter" attribute for my cache on a ski hill due to the commercial guidline. Maybe I should ask if I can change that to the Fee Required attribute. If a cache is not available in winter does that mean it is disabled for a 1/4 of the year??? The thing is that is it always available. But to get around the commercial requirement, the reviewer had me add in that attribute. That's odd. Last time I checked, it's perfectly legal to WALK up a ski slope. Your cache would still be available, would it not? Most ski hills will not let you walk up the slope during skiing hours (usualy 0930h to 1600h). It is dangerous. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted February 25, 2010 Share Posted February 25, 2010 Most ski hills will not let you walk up the slope during skiing hours (usualy 0930h to 1600h). It is dangerous. Ah, it's been a while since I was a ski guide so the rules might have changed. On Mt Hood it used to be that they had to allow it because the runs were multi purpose. Quote Link to comment
Drive-in Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I've always maintained there is ONE golfball cache I would visit. . . But it is about 240,000 miles away and has not been visited since 1973 IIRC. . (It is on the moon. . I wounder what that golf ball would be worth?) But one heck of a travel bug! Quote Link to comment
+user13371 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 (edited) ...1973 IIRC...Nope. Apollo 14 (Alan Shepherd's golf outing) was in in February 1971. Apollo 17 (last manned space flight out of low-earth orbit) was December 1972 and visited a different area. It's a safe bet nobody has retreived Shepherd's golf balls or any of the other swag left from any of the Apollo missions. This would be a different category though: Lunar Caching. See post #7 in this thread. Edited March 1, 2010 by lee_rimar Quote Link to comment
+coggins Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 I am concerned with the introduction of humor to the cache listing guidelines.I for one fail to see the humor in this. Technically, all caches reside in space. And two, pseudolites were placed on Mars and GPS navigation was used with them for the Mars rovers. Just forward thinking on Groundspeak's behalf. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 ...1973 IIRC...Nope. Apollo 14 (Alan Shepherd's golf outing) was in in February 1971. Apollo 17 (last manned space flight out of low-earth orbit) was December 1972 and visited a different area. It's a safe bet nobody has retreived Shepherd's golf balls or any of the other swag left from any of the Apollo missions. This would be a different category though: Lunar Caching. See post #7 in this thread. Are you sure? I saw that, in 1979, the Jettison Scrap and Salvage company took a spaceship named "Vulture" to the moon and reclaimed some of the equipment left there. Quote Link to comment
Chumpo Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 ...1973 IIRC...Nope. Apollo 14 (Alan Shepherd's golf outing) was in in February 1971. Apollo 17 (last manned space flight out of low-earth orbit) was December 1972 and visited a different area. It's a safe bet nobody has retreived Shepherd's golf balls or any of the other swag left from any of the Apollo missions. This would be a different category though: Lunar Caching. See post #7 in this thread. Are you sure? I saw that, in 1979, the Jettison Scrap and Salvage company took a spaceship named "Vulture" to the moon and reclaimed some of the equipment left there. Oh, my. I think you just rearranged one of my memory cells. I do remember that. And I had tried so hard to forget Quote Link to comment
+power69 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 OMG THERE IS!!! CLICK HERE!!! for forum. CLICK HERE FOR LISTING!!! Hmmmmm. the $ icon is missing. imagine spending $20,000,000 getting there then getting a DNF! Quote Link to comment
+power69 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 ...1973 IIRC...Nope. Apollo 14 (Alan Shepherd's golf outing) was in in February 1971. Apollo 17 (last manned space flight out of low-earth orbit) was December 1972 and visited a different area. It's a safe bet nobody has retreived Shepherd's golf balls or any of the other swag left from any of the Apollo missions. This would be a different category though: Lunar Caching. See post #7 in this thread. Are you sure? I saw that, in 1979, the Jettison Scrap and Salvage company took a spaceship named "Vulture" to the moon and reclaimed some of the equipment left there. I wonder if the altoids container with a slip of paper in it was among the equipment taken. Quote Link to comment
+user13371 Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Yes, I remember Salvage 1. Not to mention Robert Heinlein's The Man Who Sold The Moon. I'm pretty sure something like that will happen eventually: Private enterprise, rather than government and mlitary, will find the motive and means to go back to the moon. So... someone better start working on guidelines for lunar caching. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted March 1, 2010 Share Posted March 1, 2010 Yes, I remember Salvage 1. Not to mention Robert Heinlein's The Man Who Sold The Moon. I'm pretty sure something like that will happen eventually: Private enterprise, rather than government and mlitary, will find the motive and means to go back to the moon. So... someone better start working on guidelines for lunar caching. It's already been done. http://www.tvacres.com/spacecraft_vulture.htm It's on the Internet so it must be true! Quote Link to comment
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