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Chiseled Marks and old Drill Holes - I love to see these, also.

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After seeing billwallace's mark for his most recent find, a drill hole and triangle,, I thought I would get this thread going.

 

I think that all chiseled marks and drill holes are special. Someone took the extra time to chisel them into rock or concrete. So, please post pictures of the ones that you have found. Share your fun and experience with us all.

 

I remember seeing some other pictures of very interesting marks, but do not remember where. Please post someone's find if you remember where they have been posted on the forum before. We have found a few ourselves and I will let John find them for me, to post later with our feelings when finding them.

 

Shirley~

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...I think that all chiseled marks and drill holes are special. Someone took the extra time to chisel them into rock or concrete........

Shirley~

That's another reason I like searching for survey marks, kind of like recognizing the effort involved in putting them there.

 

My First FV0321 and a pic of the bridge it is on

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My favorite so far (of four :rolleyes:) FV1580 - 1910 found yesterday I'll post the pic despite the link above

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FV0006 on a semaphore pad :P

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Thank you Mr. Dolphin! Beautiful pictures and a great find.

 

John has pulled up some of our marks for me. We do not have anything but chiseled squares and drill holes. No Triangles nor circles. :P

 

Here are 7 Squares found in AZ, CA, NV and UT. This over several years and hundreds of miles and several changes of trucks. :rolleyes:

 

On 04/28/2004 we went on one of our trips into Southern Nevada and into California. We went along a Rail Road dirt road starting at Nipton heading south. We had spotted a couple of chiseled squares along that little drive that we wanted to see if we could find. Chiseled squares sounded really interesting to us since we had not logged any at that time. We were off and running...

 

First on the list was FS0759. Chiseled Square 3 is the name.

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Looking back at Nipton, CA.

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FS0764 was Second on our list. Chiseled Square 2 is the name.

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This picture shows the date on the RR culvert - 1926.

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This was back in the day when we didn't take any scenery pictures to post on the log.

 

Now we move ahead to 05/14/04 close to our own territory. We are itching to find another chiseled mark. Off we go to find 4602.7, a square cut into a sandstone boulder. GP0620

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A great find for the oldfarts that was just about a 70 mile drive to recover.

 

That covers 2004. We didn't find any in 2005 at all, bummer. My next post will be the others.

 

Shirley~

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Niiice find there BillWallace!

Isn't it funny that the 1933 survey party set their mark 27 inches away from the station they couldn't find?

 

Something similar happened with my recovery of High Knob 1865.

The 1957 survey crew couldn't find the old station, and set a new disk about 8½ feet away. Here's the pic:

 

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Notice that this chiseled triangle/drill hole is identical to KELLER 1884 that BDT found?

Yep. - Both were set in the same year by (CHS).

 

Makes me wonder how many more 1884 marks are out there...

~ Mitch ~

 

EDIT: (CHS) = According to the 1884 CGS Annual Report, Sub assistant C.H. Sinclair determined the latitude and longitude of Covington, Va.

2ND EDIT: It wasn't Covington, but Strasburg, Va. - Doh!

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This is the coolest chiseld mark I've found. The surveyor must have had some time on his hands. I've been meaning to get some better pictures of it. We had to dig it up. It's JX0266. It was set in 1878 on the pier of a railroad trestle. It is a chisled square with the letter N above it, B and M on either side, USC and GS below, 1878 below that and then he carved his name.

 

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Wow great finds and pictures. Thank you all for posting your Chiseled marks! I am absolutely enjoying this thread.

 

Now on to the other marks that we have found.

 

One of my favorites is FS0767 C 6 RESET.

 

A beautiful granite post with a polished top and the bottom of the chiseled square as the mark.

The letters U S B M on each corner are cool to see.

This we found in CA. on 04/27/2006.

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Looking towards the large dry lake.

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We had a bonus disk (not in the database) - S 733, close by the post (which is in view in the background).

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On 05/20/06 we headed close to Flagstaff, AZ. and turned west onto a really rough road.

It was so bad, we almost could have hiked in quicker to this mark.

But the chiseled mark was there and it was worth the time it took to get it.

 

FQ0885 SBM

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The view of Red Hill (a volcanic cinder cone) in the background.

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Then on 07/08/06 we discovered another granite post with the chiseled square hole.

This one took a trip up into Utah.

The setting said it was set into the top of a round concrete monument. :anibad:

But upon reading the description - it is a stone post.

 

JO0308 U 8

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Looking North towards Milford, UT.

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Looking South towards Lund, UT.

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Looking West.

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And for our last one we skip to 04/20/09! FS0235 Another CHISELED SQUARE 2!

Not my favorite, since it fairly new and in concrete, but still a chiseled square.

Close to Primm, NV.

 

It was hard to get a picture that showed this mark.

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(Sorry, I have finish this in the next post to be able to put the last pictures up.)

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(continuation)

 

Tried another with cornstarch, a little better.

The paint on the concrete did not help at all.

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Looking towards Primm and showing the concrete base.

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Our other neat finds have been 7 drill holes. I may post some of those.

We were so impressed with the drill holes due to the fact of their age and some are still being used.

All are very interesting to me.

 

So, keep the posts and pictures coming. And I do enjoy reading about your experiences.

Thank you all. :anibad:

 

Shirley~

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I'll see if I can beat Shirley to the draw with a couple we found together (Klemmer and the other two oldfarts) in the Laughlin NV / CA area almost two years ago:

 

FS1137 chiseled cross, from 1899, including the broken chisel tip used to carve it. I'm looking at the chisel tip here next to my computer. Neat souvenir! Lots more pics and write-up in the GC log. We also found a broken shovel near the site. Wicked rocky area!

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FS1138 drill hole nearby (also from 1899), with dueling Magellans. More pics and write up in the GC logs.

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FS1142, another 1899 drill hole in the same area. First found by 2oldfarts and Me & Buckey several years before I did. Lots more pics on GC.

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Now you see some of the reasons we want to get back to the Laughlin area in April (plug for our planned event). The are more old marks out there waiting for us.....

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I have a number of drill holes, but the best drill holes are the ones with a copper bolt (or sometimes an iron bolt) still inside. Of course many drill holes had no bolt, but when they did and it's still there - especially if the bolt is over 170 years old - that's cool.

 

Here's a few:

 

from 1833: MY2568 - Holt

 

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from 1834: MY4950 - Railcut

 

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from 1835: LW4436 - Manomet

 

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And a much more recent one :) from 1860 (no bolt in this one) MY1473 - Monadnock

 

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This one has another hole on top of the first plus an iron bolt. But what are those crazy lines (looks like an Aztec Hieroglyphic) . Nothing in the documentation says why they are there, but lots of theories abounded. Until I 1) oriented the photo to true north and 2) compared them to the map of the triangulation stations used in 1860 of Massachusetts and New Hampshire - this: Triangulation map. It shows Massachusetts and adjoining areas. So I put 2 and 2 together and got this:

 

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Now that is cool! As the say, a picture is worth 1000 words!

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These are a couple of the drill holes not covered by Klemmer. :D

 

This is the very first drill hole that we found on the California/ Nevada border.

It was an exciting and extremely fun find for us, as we followed the description as well as the GPSr.

Out in the middle of nowhere... :anibad:

And to make it really sweet was the fact that it was monumented in 1899 and not recovered since!

 

Ya gotta love these old marks!

FS1149 T 138 Recovered on 4/27/2004.

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A wider view of mark.

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Again, this was so early in our recoveries that we were not including any view shots of the surroundings.

 

We did get a picture of our first Desert Tortoise that day also.

A really good day, although the mark was not much to look at, it was so cool!

 

The other mark, is my favorite find, that we recovered on 4/27/2007.

FS1106 ZONA.

 

Although there were several people who recovered this mark, when we got there, a Surveyor had been there before us and had definitely been using it.

Way cool that a mark this old (monumented 1898) is still being used!

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Not our best picture, but the other hunters logs have better pictures. :anibad:

 

The wide shot of the mark looking North and where we had parked. We had just a short hike.

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We also found another exciting drill hole that day. FS1103 Quail.

Exciting for us partly due to our being able to see all of the details (guy wires tied to rocks and the old wooden pole) that led us to the drill hole.

Making this one a First to Recover. Wow! Talk about a good day!

 

Back to the year 2005. We also had some awesome finds with ME & Bucky.

Two of those links so you can see the marks and the fantastic view shots of both of our logs are ...

FS1107 T 140.

and...

FS1130 T 135.

 

All of these marks in this post are within the Laughlin, NV area.

This is the area where our Laughlin Benchmark Event will be, in April.

We are still thinking and planning and will update that thread when we have it all done. :)

Boy, I love this area!!

 

Are any of you enjoying this thread as much as I am? All of the marks posted by everyone are SO COOL!

 

Shirley~

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Hi All,

 

I also like rock & concrete art and really liked 89SC's JX0266; Harold must have missed the afternoon train back to camp and was waiting for the evening milk run.

 

Below is my bakers dozen - although I scabbed in one NONPID 1907 chiseled square with U S B M, and the next to last one is a machine etched Missouri River Commission Triangulation buried stone.

 

Seems like this Lake Commission mark should be older than 1954.

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Okie'sKid and I made a quick trip into extreme west central Colorado, behind the LaSal Mountains from Moab, on the Marine Corps birthday and found these chiseled RM's from 1947.

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JM0461 JM0456

 

Should be no chance of mixing up the next two from 1941.

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UNK date, but I'm guessing pre1925.

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1911 - not too far from Mona's, but more than 50 years ago.

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1907 Stillwater County, Montana - just a few years before both sets of my grandparents arrived.

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Other half to follow. MEL

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SECOND HALF (must be at some bowl game somewhere)

 

My first outlined, unlettered, chiseled square. Z3 1907 PLN NOTE 13

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1906 Chiseled Square, NOTE 16, with a bonus (UNK, but earlier date) Oregon Short Line RR cross scratched on the stone.

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1906 outline square with wings. NOTE 13.

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UNK date. However it is in the 1912 publication that describes the Bench Marks set by the Missouri River Commission in 1890 between Three Forks and Fort Benton, Montana. This publication can be used to find a whole bunch of NONPID BM's in Montana - buried stones with caps on stand pipes and bolts leaded into rocks.

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1889 MORC triangulation point TROVERS buried stone. Very few of these have seen daylight since they were set.

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SQ0611

 

Special Publication #18 P. 207 (213/334 in Google)

At Bozeman, Gallatin County, Mont., about 0.2 mile northwest of the Northern Pacific Railway depot, 16 meters north of the eighth telegraph pole northwest of the depot; about 2 meters northeast of the railway track; in the southeast concrete abutment of a railroad bridge; in the upper horizontal surface at the north corner; 0.3 meter from the northeast edge, 0.3 meter from the northwest edge about on a level with the base of the rail. Note 5

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NONPID 1907 PLN R4

 

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ABUTMENT JUST ABOUT GONE

 

That's all. Now I need to find a plain drill hole. kayakbird

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This one has another hole on top of the first plus an iron bolt. But what are those crazy lines (looks like an Aztec Hieroglyphic) . Nothing in the documentation says why they are there, but lots of theories abounded. Until I 1) oriented the photo to true north and 2) compared them to the map of the triangulation stations used in 1860 of Massachusetts and New Hampshire - this: Triangulation map. It shows Massachusetts and adjoining areas. So I put 2 and 2 together and got this:

 

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Papa-Bear,

 

I am going to echo your sentiments - That IS cool! Congratulations on figuring that out.

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Ours are not as sexy as all your'n fancy ones with them there new-fangled letters and such. :anibad: Just drill holes (although our reference mark also had chiseled cross).

Nonetheless, we were extremely excited to find our first 100+ year old drill hole:

 

The two stones we found at RD1979 - DOTY:

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This is a cadastral mark rather than geodetic, but a nice piece of chisel work. I believe USLMs were set to serve as points of beginning for property surveys in areas that the PLSS did not cover. I scaled the coordinates for this one off the topo map and found it on my way to recover ET0927 LAIRD. There's a chiseled cross on the top point of the boulder that is the mark.

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Hi All,

 

After a forced hiatus due to a pesky problem with my password (figured out by Nichol, can't help but luv 'er), I can finally post to the Forum again. :):D:D:rolleyes:

 

Here's my contribution to the drillhole category. This was a work-related find for me above the St. Mary Canal within sight of both Glacier Park and Alberta. This is an IBC mark, set in 1909, recovered in 1921, and not seen since. With adjusted lat/long I was able to drive to the fence just a few feet shy of the mark using LT-40 and laptop. Didn't pull out the PN-40 until I was ready to waypoint the site. Too much fun to actually call it work!!

 

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Here's the log page link just for grins.

 

IBC drillhole

 

Cheers,

JCS

 

ps: This has been posted long enough I thot someone would have commented on the brown "rocks"

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Took awhile to dig this one out of my files - finally found it on a memory stick with MORC (Missouri River Commission) information.

Original chisel marks at Montana's Public Land Survey Initial Point established in 1867.

Cluttered up with props, but I need to make another trip to look for the AZ and then

re-do photos with a better sun angle. Maybe fix a little fence also - after I temporarily remove it.

 

MONTANA PLSS IP, GALLATIN COUNTY

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This was one we put off recovering until we got our Jeep. The trip to the Station was fun, but after walking over a small hill and seeing the rocks and the Mark it made for a great recovery. There’s even a little history in the Description.

 

A couple shots of ET1060.

 

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A perfectly nice chiselled cross, located at 40 28.811 W 074 16.096, at Waterfront Park in South Amboy, New Jersey. View of Staten Island, across Raritan Bay. Somebody must love it! But, alas, it is not in the NGS datasheets. Oh, well.

We were hunting the nearby cache, after figuring out how to get Andy Bear to his new job in Perth Amboy...

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I guess I can show a couple of my more interesting ones:

 

EE0061 - Chiseled Square in a packed clay culvert:

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EE0063 - A chiseled square, with notes engraved next. 868.466 is the altitude. D (?) ELEV, and then the date of engraving, 2-11-1927, with a chiseled underlining.

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MO0477 - Simply named 'J'. A simple little square, surrounded by "U S B M", at Ames Monument, in WY.

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Here's a chiseled square in a railroad culvert in Salem, Ohio. KY1044 includes the chiseled letters B M.

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Next is a chiseled circle(MA1125) in a corner stone of the Forest County Courthouse in Tionesta, Pa. Notice the elevation chiseled into the front of the stone, with the circle on the top left of the stone.

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The last few photos jogged a memory of some marks (all tidal bench marks) I recovered at Fort Totten in Queens, NY in 2006.

 

Three of the marks date from the early survey done in 1909. They include a combination of carvings and other markers.

 

KU0976

 

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KU0979

 

You can barely make out some of the original inscription "19.454" on the vertcal portion of the sill under the cross.

 

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KU0982

 

An arrow and bolt (on the sea wall below) are between the second and the third windows from the north end of the building.

The arrow carved on the brick was essential to finding the mark.

 

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And here's the bolt the arrow was pointing to:

The bolt blended in very closely with the granite stone and would have been quite hard to find without the help of the arrow.

 

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Here's a cadastral chiseled cross from 1910 which I found yesterday. It marks a section corner on a Range Line, and is supplementally marked with 2 notches on the north side and 4 on the south side, indicating the distance in miles to the respective nearest Township Lines:

 

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Here's a cadastral chiseled cross from 1910 which I found yesterday.

.. Huh. I'm glad I'm not the only one that will go benchmark hunting on a major holiday. :)

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Any chance of posting the S/T/R? Maybe I could figure out your trail head and vicariously do another hike with you. kayakbird

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Any chance of posting the S/T/R? Maybe I could figure out your trail head and vicariously do another hike with you. kayakbird

Sure. It's the northeast corner of Section 13, T 7N R 1E, Gila and Salt River Meridian. I was on my way to DV1998 MALPAI, as posted in the other thread.

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This one has another hole on top of the first plus an iron bolt. But what are those crazy lines (looks like an Aztec Hieroglyphic) . Nothing in the documentation says why they are there, but lots of theories abounded. Until I 1) oriented the photo to true north and 2) compared them to the map of the triangulation stations used in 1860 of Massachusetts and New Hampshire - this: Triangulation map. It shows Massachusetts and adjoining areas. So I put 2 and 2 together and got this:

 

Now that is cool! As the say, a picture is worth 1000 words!

 

The first thing I thought of when I saw that was that it looks like the album cover of Dark Side of the Moon

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On the utah idaho state line. In cache valley

 

 

Technical question - does this chisel mark have a PID? Please post it if it does. kayakbird

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Ok, I have to say it, but I know you're tired of hearing it. Are there a lot of caches in Cache Valley?

 

Quite a few.. I think it would be an ideal spot for geowoodstock...

 

the PID is NT0368

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Here is some pictures of my 'Good Day' on January 2nd. I have been wanting to find this Bench mark (EF0602) for about a year now. Thanks to a newly published cache on that day, near by about 2 miles down the road. Gave me a good reason to come by this area. The Google map said it was deep in the woods. So I decided to load the coords in my GPS and read the description good and head out. As I walked around the gate I seen the mile marker 335 and knew it was near by. First place I looked I found this.

 

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EF0602 was placed sometime in the late 1880 or 1890s. I'm still looking up information on it. Last found in 1982 (I found it 29yrs and 1 day to the date).

 

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EF0602 Don't believe these "X's" mean anything. But, was really weird and interesting to see them carved into the rock.

 

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EF0603 was placed in 1949 and last found also in 1982(I found it 29yr and 1 day to date) (I'm sure by the same surveyor).

 

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Here is the location of both markers.

 

I found 3 bench marks that day. These two I was FTF geocacher to log on the BM page. (I also was FTF on that new geocache) EF0602 has got to be my favorite to date!! With all that said.....It was a 'Good Day' for me......Hopefully will be a 'Good Year' too!

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My first chiseled square in awhile - or should I but it in my lichen collection?

 

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TL0225 Chiseled square in 1913 RR culvert.

 

This was one of five bench marks, each in a different setting, from this 1915 string that I found to day:

 

TL0219 Vertical mount on building.

 

TL0220 Disk set in drill hole in existing structure.

 

TL0224 Disk set in the top of a concrete post.

 

TL0228 Copper bolt leaded into a drill hole in 1913 RR culvert - and it is an 'I'.

 

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My first chiseled square in awhile - or should I but it in my lichen collection?

 

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This was one of five bench marks, each in a different setting, from this 1915 string that I found to day:

 

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TL0228 Copper bolt leaded into a drill hole in 1913 RR culvert - and it is an 'I'.

 

kayakbird

Kayakbird,

 

Congratulations on your chiseled mark and your lichen. Is that bridge still in use?

 

I think my favorite mark in your series is the copper bolt with the tiny stamping.

 

I have a question. All of your marks have unknown monumentation dates. How did you find out that they were set in 1915? Did you find that in a USCGS Publication? And, if so, why does the datasheet say “UNK”? Wouldn’t the USCGS have access to the same publication? This is something I have always wondered about.

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Located inside Bunker Tower in Cheehahaw State Park, AL. There are 4 other in the immediate area:

1 - triangulation station disk,

2 - reference mark disks (Could only find RM #2. RM#1 usually gets logged incorrectly. Only GSG13 found correctly.)

1 - lookout tower

 

CHEEHAHAW 1886

 

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First off - what a neat 'Reference Object'standing over jbuffethed's chiseled 'X'.

 

 

Is that bridge still in use?

 

----- unknown monumentation dates. How did you find out that they were set in 1915? Did you find that in a USCGS Publication? And, if so, why does the datasheet say “UNK”? Wouldn’t the USC&GS have access to the same publication? This is something I have always wondered about.

 

 

Yes, that is an active track. I and two young women riding bicycles from Anacortes WA to the far end of US 2 had to hide under the copper bolt for a bit.

 

I may be reading too much between the lines, and making some of this up, but if anyone has definitive information on any of the BM strings(other than A thru H 8, 1906-1908, which are in Special Pub. #18) in Montana I will happily stand corrected.

 

It is my understanding that from very early on the CGS convention for naming BM's was to use consecutive, sequential Alpha Numeric designations with no duplications - well, not too many - in a state. SP#18 PID's remaining begin just north of Monida Pass, Beaverhead Co Montana with C (1 was not used) PZ0020 and end with H 8 QV0223 near the Wyo line south of Wyola, Big Horn Co. Most of these now have the correct year in the Data Sheet.

 

Early number strings in Montana:

 

STRING PID NAME GSAK PLACED MONTANA Co

 

Null PZ0020 C 1/1/1906 BEAVERHEAD

2 QY0129 A 2 1/1/1906 BEAVERHEAD

3 RX0417 A 3 1/1/1906 SILVER BOW

4 QX0395 A 4 1/1/1907 GALLATIN

5 QX0154 E 5 1/1/1907 PARK

6 QW0226 A 6 1/1/1907 STILLWATER

7 QW0012 D 7 1/1/1907 YELLOWSTONE

8 QV0217 F 8 1/1/1908 BIG HORN

8 RX0294 K 8 1/1/1913 SILVER BOW

9 RW0229 A 9 1/1/1913 JEFFERSON

10 SS0903 I 10 1/1/1913 CASCADE

11 TL0259 N 11 1/1/1914 PONDERA

12 TM0019 A 12 1/1/1913 TOOLE

13 RX0459 D 13 1/1/1959 POWELL

14 RY0008 F 14 1/1/1914 MISSOULA

15 SU0193 B 15 1/1/1914 MINERAL

16 SU0575 G 16 1/1/1914 SANDERS

17 TH0043 I 17 1/1/1934 ROOSEVELT no correct likely dates

18 TH0090 A 18 1/1/1934 ROOSEVELT no correct likely dates

19 TH0277 A 19 1/1/1948 ROOSEVELT no correct likely dates

20 TJ0157 A 20 1/1/1953 VALLEY no correct likely dates

21 TJ0363 T 21 1/1/1914 PHILLIPS

22 TK0399 B 22 1/1/1965 PHILLIPS no correct likely dates

23 TK0134 B 23 1/1/1935 BLAINE no correct likely dates

24 TK0257 I 24 1/1/1943 HILL no correct likely dates

25 TL0003 C 25 1/1/1934 HILL no correct likely dates

26 TL0220 C 26 1/1/1934 LIBERTY no correct likely dates

26 QW0049 U 26 1/1/1915 YELLOWSTONE

27 QW0066 A 27 1/1/1915 YELLOWSTONE

28 RU0115 A 28 1/1/1915 ROSEBUD

29 SP0023 X 29 1/1/1915 DAWSON

30 SP0026 A 30 1/1/1915 RICHLAND

31 SP0049 A 31 1/1/1960 DAWSON

31 TJ0310 C 31 1/1/1921 VALLEY

31 QX0163 W 31 1/1/1923 PARK

32 QX0174 B 32 1/1/1923 PARK

33 QX0095 A 33 1/1/1923 PARK

33 SP0057 S 33 1/1/1931 DAWSON

34 RT0006 A 34 1/1/1931 WIBAUX

35 RU0119 A 35 1/1/1931 ROSEBUD

 

Note the year and or location breaks in strings 8, 26,31 and 33.

 

Pretty much everything after 1921 (string 31) are properly dated. Is this when they started stamping most of the time? I used my GSAK derived spreadsheet to arrange these by string number which accounts for the weird PLACED dates (it don't know UNK). Sorting was complicated by a few USGS, and others, Alpha # designations and CGS using Alpha # Alpha for many of the missile era points.

 

Several marks from U 9 to O 10 have recently been changed to 1906 dates; which I believe has to be a clerical error, based on the style of disk.

 

See SS0854 Y 9 1/1/1906 LEWIS AND CLARK.

 

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Scouting the Yellowstone River below Billings for Exxon oil spill evidence, so I went after this 1915 mark in the twenty seven string

 

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QV0227

 

Also found A 27 and D 27, but no luck on Z 26 (capped) or V 26 (farmed). The three '27s' have an octagon post shape, A 27 with a circle & center slash; Charlie & Delta with just the slash.

 

Note: A 27 & D 27 not logged yet.

 

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