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I love the debate about whether condoms are family-friendly. Folks, if condoms are family-friendly you're doing it wrong! They are anti-family devices!

 

As to kids finding them, they will get their guidance on how to react to them from the verbal and physical (body language) behavior of the adult(s). "Ewe, that's disgusting" from the parent may well lead to such a belief in the kid, which could have tragic consequences down the road for the kid.

 

History has proven that "Just say no" doesn't work, so "Just use a condom" might at least help.

 

As to them being in geocaches, heck yeah... and in bowls in school hallways and anywhere else adolescents hang out!

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Today while out geocaching I was lucky enough to pick a new FTF. While the new FTF was a great cache there was an item in the container that I found highly inappropriate. Inside was a new unused condom. Now a quick disclaimer. I am in now way a prude when it comes to the topic of sex and firmly believe that to each his own. That being said I cache with my 10 year old daughter and finding this in the cache irked me to no extent. So I quickly removed the item and threw it into a small trash bag I carry and left a note on the cache that I did enjoy finding it but will be putting that person on ignore for future caches since this seemed to be left by the owner.

 

Did I handle this properly? How would you handle it?

condoms as well as certain female products have other uses other than intended use in the field.

 

Condoms SHOULD NOT BE PLACED in Geocaches period. Otherwise, dildos and pocket p*@###S would be okay too. Geocaching is supposed to be a family G-rated activity, let's keep it that way.

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Today while out geocaching I was lucky enough to pick a new FTF. While the new FTF was a great cache there was an item in the container that I found highly inappropriate. Inside was a new unused condom. Now a quick disclaimer. I am in now way a prude when it comes to the topic of sex and firmly believe that to each his own. That being said I cache with my 10 year old daughter and finding this in the cache irked me to no extent. So I quickly removed the item and threw it into a small trash bag I carry and left a note on the cache that I did enjoy finding it but will be putting that person on ignore for future caches since this seemed to be left by the owner.

 

Did I handle this properly? How would you handle it?

condoms as well as certain female products have other uses other than intended use in the field.

 

Condoms SHOULD NOT BE PLACED in Geocaches period. Otherwise, dildos and pocket p*@###S would be okay too. Geocaching is supposed to be a family G-rated activity, let's keep it that way.

 

LOL! I read "-rated" as -spot after reading the D and P-word possible swag items. :laughing::laughing::)

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There are obviously differences of opinion regarding condoms and the guideline ""Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages."

 

I would like to see a reviewer comment; if a cache listing stated the original swag contents contained a condom, would they see this as a guidelines issue?

 

Obviously reviewers can't control what people trade in swag, but it would give some indication as to what is meant by the above guideline, and if condoms in caches are appropriate.

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Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages."

 

In this promiscious era of STD's I would argue that it is very appropriate. Never to early to educate the youth.

 

Okayyy. In light of your OP and this follow up response, so why aren't you thanking the cache owner for the opportunity they gave you to discuss sex with your young daughter in the relaxed atmosphere of geocaching? It seems to me your words would have been more meaningful to your daughter at THAT moment while you're sharing quality time doing something you love than if you pulled her aside to give <ominous echo with fingers making quotations> THE TALK. </ominous echo with fingers making quotations> :laughing:

 

I'm just sayin'..... :laughing:

 

Agreed... My 10 year old not only knows what a condom is, but she knows how one is put on and has even put one on to see how it is done... granted it was on a jar of bubbles, but we felt it was important that she had some idea of what it was and how it was used and why.

 

We had 'the talk' with her about 6 weeks ago and were a bit shocked to find that she already knew how babies were made... don't be surprised if yours does, too. Kids talk about it a lot younger now than we ever dreamt of talking about it...

 

As for appropriate swag... why not. It does have multiple uses. I keep condoms and sanitary napkins and tampons in my first aid kit, as well as a couple of diapers. Always clean, somewhat sterile, and excellent for bandaging and absorbing blood. Would you consider those items, properly sealed, in a cache to be inappropriate, too?

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Now now, let's not be spreading rumors.

The medication was because, for some odd reason, the doctors thought that an otherwise healthy person with a BP as high as what I had was something to be concerned about. It's dropped now into the normal range so all is well. I tried to explain that this was normal for people from my planet but they were still concerned. Something about impending death or something like that.

You can speculate on the other 346 who post under this handle if you want to.

Seriously, glad to hear that at least one of you got your BP under control. That's some serious stuff!
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Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages."

 

In this promiscious era of STD's I would argue that it is very appropriate. Never to early to educate the youth.

 

This is an innaporopriate item for a cache, period. :laughing: The education of our children is not up to geocaching to take care of it is our responsibility.

I would have done what you did!

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Just a quick mental calculation that says it's about 3:1 who say "so what?" to the issue of a (presumably sealed and unused) condom in a geocache.

 

I think that pretty much says it.

 

Though most of us probably wouldn't put a condom in a geocache, it would appear that the majority don't care if they saw one in a cache.

 

 

P.S. Thanks knowschad. I didn't see the emergency but I guess 220/160 is considered a little high.

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Love it! I'd add sealed tampons/pads to that argument too. I had a male friend once get a nose bleed...didn't have a tissue but guess what I had that he made good use of?

 

Wish I had a photo of that priceless moment though... :D

 

Anyhoo...add me to the list of people who think this topic is much to do about nothing. As long as the item is unused, I fail to see the problem. Trade up, trade even, or leave it be in the cache.

 

I would rather find an unused condom still in its packaging than a used condom inside a geocache

 

Condoms are actually a recommended item to add to your survival kit. Cody Lundin's 98.6 deg book mentions them. They can hold a large amount of water, if you find yourself lacking a water container.

 

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This is an innaporopriate item for a cache, period. :D The education of our children is not up to geocaching to take care of it is our responsibility.

Yes, I totally agree.

 

I guess you two just avoid that entire aisle at Wal-Mart?

 

While I can't really recommend leaving them (as I already stated) I don't see the simple act of leaving them in the cache as an "education". You're reaction, should you find one, will more likely result in the educational portion of the caching experiance.

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You're reaction, should you find one, will more likely result in the educational portion of the caching experiance.

 

Great point. If a parent freaks out over something they feel is inappropriate, that is like shining a spot light on the item and the child's attention will be riveted to it. Parenting 101.

 

If said parent remains calm and simply sets the object aside or removes it without comment or overt facial expression, the child will likely gravitate to the the toys and ignore the offending item completely.

 

If by some wild stretch, the child asks about the offending item in question, a simple "Oh it is just a piece of latex" should suffice and an experienced parent would be able to divert further attention (if any) toward the age-appropriate swag.

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I would like to move on from the specific condom aspect to the general question. Some of us think condoms are suitable swag in a cache, some don't. Ok. In general we all will have different opinions of what is suitable and "family friendly". I would hope there are some things which we all agree on are not family friendly (e.g. non-safety razor blades, hypodermic needles). There will be other things where there may be a difference of opinion. E.g. I would hope most would find pornography not suitable, but I'm sure there will be gray areas there too; is a copy of the British "Sun" newspaper (which always has a photo of a topless woman on page 3) suitable? The swinsuit issue of Sports Ilustrated? Different people will have different answers.

 

As we will never fully agree what is suitable and what is not - If you find swag in a cache, which in your opinion is not in line with the family friendly guidelines, what should you do? If you have suitable swag to trade, you can do that. But what if you don't have swag to trade? Do you leave things in the cache which you think are physically or emotionally dangerous (e.g. porngraphy can be considered emotionally dangerous), as it is just your opinion and none of your business? Or do you enforce your own views of what is suitable and remove unsuitable items?

 

The OP found something they thought was not suitable per the guidelines, so they removed it. In this case I personally think they did the right thing. But what if someone removed a deck of playing cards as they felt that encourages gambling and was therefore unsuitable; I would not agree with that.

 

I don't have answer, except to have an open mind, and try to decide, is this really something which you believe most people would find unsuitable? If so, remove it. As a cache owner, I would not want a child to find something "clearly unsuitable" in my cache, and would appreciate an adult finder removing it. But I would not want someone removing playing cards...

 

I probably would have removed the condom. But maybe next time I find one, I'll leave it, as more people seem to think it is OK. But I'll still remove the razor blades and the pornography.

 

Mark

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i think its the parents responsiblility to decide when and where to discuss sex with their kids, not to be put into an unexpecting situation as this (geocaching) to discuss sex..cmon people...lets not over analyze this, yes your response to this situation is normal and warranted.

 

hey guns are an equally sensitive topic amongst people, should we allow them in geocaches too? no same with condems. this is a great activity to do alone or with friends and family no need to stradle fences.

and here i thought i had it bad by finding geojunk in caches at times..

 

happy holidays all!

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i think its the parents responsibility to decide when and where to discuss sex with their kids, not to be put into an unexpected situation as this (geocaching) to discuss sex..cmon people...lets not over analyze this, yes your response to this situation is normal and warranted.

 

hey guns are an equally sensitive topic amongst people, should we allow them in geocaches too? no same with condoms. this is a great activity to do alone or with friends and family no need to straddle fences.

and here i thought i had it bad by finding geojunk in caches at times..

 

happy holidays all!

 

I'd agree that the topic of firearms and their ownership can be a sensitive topic to discuss. I'd disagree that leaving a firearm in a cache is the same as leaving a condom in a cache.

 

That's kind of like saying that finding a spotted owl in a tree is the same as finding a gallon of nuclear waste in a tree. They're both sensitive topics, right?

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I would like to move on from the specific condom aspect to the general question. Some of us think condoms are suitable swag in a cache, some don't. Ok. In general we all will have different opinions of what is suitable and "family friendly". I would hope there are some things which we all agree on are not family friendly (e.g. non-safety razor blades, hypodermic needles). There will be other things where there may be a difference of opinion. E.g. I would hope most would find pornography not suitable, but I'm sure there will be gray areas there too; is a copy of the British "Sun" newspaper (which always has a photo of a topless woman on page 3) suitable? The swinsuit issue of Sports Ilustrated? Different people will have different answers.

 

As we will never fully agree what is suitable and what is not - If you find swag in a cache, which in your opinion is not in line with the family friendly guidelines, what should you do? If you have suitable swag to trade, you can do that. But what if you don't have swag to trade? Do you leave things in the cache which you think are physically or emotionally dangerous (e.g. porngraphy can be considered emotionally dangerous), as it is just your opinion and none of your business? Or do you enforce your own views of what is suitable and remove unsuitable items?

 

The OP found something they thought was not suitable per the guidelines, so they removed it. In this case I personally think they did the right thing. But what if someone removed a deck of playing cards as they felt that encourages gambling and was therefore unsuitable; I would not agree with that.

 

I don't have answer, except to have an open mind, and try to decide, is this really something which you believe most people would find unsuitable? If so, remove it. As a cache owner, I would not want a child to find something "clearly unsuitable" in my cache, and would appreciate an adult finder removing it. But I would not want someone removing playing cards...

 

I probably would have removed the condom. But maybe next time I find one, I'll leave it, as more people seem to think it is OK. But I'll still remove the razor blades and the pornography.

 

In general, if you want to remove an item that you consider offensive, then trade it out. Even if others don't find the item to be offensive, nobody can fault you for trading it out, regardless of your reasons.

 

As for the condom, my kids are too young for it to be an issue, but I like to think I wouldn't have a problem with it when they are older.

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The eleven year old I cache with knows about condom's and the protection theory, but he found the graphic picture and text that went before it more than a little overwhelming. He was not prepared to discover the x rated geo cache swag. He felt it was totally inappropriate for a family game.

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The OP found something they thought was not suitable per the guidelines, so they removed it. In this case I personally think they did the right thing. But what if someone removed a deck of playing cards as they felt that encourages gambling and was therefore unsuitable; I would not agree with that.

I have a question for you to consider here. Let's say, in both cases (condom and playing cards) the person traded up or even.

 

Would it make any difference if the person traded for the cards because he wanted it, compared to because he felt it was inappropriate? The end effect is the same, after all.

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I found an unopend one in the first cache I ever found. I had read the guidlines, and realized that is was probably not appropriate, but I just ignored it, and my 3 and 8 year old didn't ask about it. They were buisy looking at all the other stuff.

 

Condoms are actually a recommended item to add to your survival kit. Cody Lundin's 98.6 deg book mentions them. They can hold a large amount of water, if you find yourself lacking a water container.

 

That is just silly. Without a tap, how do you plan to get any significant amount of water in there. I have never tried, but thinking about a baloon, you need some pressure to get more than a couple of oz. in.

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I found an unopend one in the first cache I ever found. I had read the guidlines, and realized that is was probably not appropriate, but I just ignored it, and my 3 and 8 year old didn't ask about it. They were buisy looking at all the other stuff.

 

Condoms are actually a recommended item to add to your survival kit. Cody Lundin's 98.6 deg book mentions them. They can hold a large amount of water, if you find yourself lacking a water container.

 

That is just silly. Without a tap, how do you plan to get any significant amount of water in there. I have never tried, but thinking about a baloon, you need some pressure to get more than a couple of oz. in.

 

Did you watch the video?

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I would like to move on from the specific condom aspect to the general question. ...

 

Local laws will tell you. If Kids can't have it or buy it, it's not "family friendly".

Is there anywhere that a kid can't have or buy condoms? Serious question... if so I've never heard of it.

 

Of course being married for 37 years and long ago done with the child-creation thing I admit that I don't know much about the subject.

 

Still, the presence of coin-operated vending machines in men's rooms (and hopefully in women's) and open sales racks in most stores would indicate to me that there is no such restriction.

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I doubt I'd care much about an unwrapped condom. Not the best choice of swag, but it's not CLEARLY with/against the guidelines. It's in some kind of grey area.

 

I recently found an altoids tin full of mints in a cache. With that, I thought, "WTF?" since this cache was in the woods. It had last been found many months ago, and I couldn't be clear on how old they were. I like altoids, but I'm not going to go eating mints of unknown age that have been sitting in the woods for at least months.

 

Since food is not a grey area for caches, I took the mints and threw them in the trash can at the TH. I consider it cache maintenance for the owner...like replacing a full logbook or putting a new ziploc baggie in.

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Geocaching is a family activity and cache contents should be suitable for all ages."

 

In this promiscious era of STD's I would argue that it is very appropriate. Never to early to educate the youth.

 

There is a time and place for everything. Think I would disagree, a good time with the family is not the time for a serious sex ed talk.

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i think its the parents responsiblility to decide when and where to discuss sex with their kids, not to be put into an unexpecting situation as this (geocaching) to discuss sex...

Why would a parent feel compelled to have 'the talk' simply because a condom was in a cache?

 

Heck 111, geocaching controls every other aspect of life, why not that as well? :D

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The consensus seems to be this: if we want to remove an offensive or otherwise unsuitable object from a cache, then we need to trade for it.

 

So what is a fair trade for offensive items? After all, the only thing truly equal in value to an offensive item is different, but equally offensive item. It seems like it would be very tricky to manage such a trade properly. Done poorly, it might even offend the wrong people.

 

What about trading up? I guess we would need to replace the offending item with a really offensive item.

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The consensus seems to be this: if we want to remove an offensive or otherwise unsuitable object from a cache, then we need to trade for it.

 

So what is a fair trade for offensive items? After all, the only thing truly equal in value to an offensive item is different, but equally offensive item. It seems like it would be very tricky to manage such a trade properly. Done poorly, it might even offend the wrong people.

 

What about trading up? I guess we would need to replace the offending item with a really offensive item.

 

Goodness your possibilities are endless! :D

 

I bet some helpful person will come along and link to all of the previous threads that have discussed "offensive" swag items. Can't wait to read that! :mad:

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The consensus seems to be this: if we want to remove an offensive or otherwise unsuitable object from a cache, then we need to trade for it.

 

So what is a fair trade for offensive items? After all, the only thing truly equal in value to an offensive item is different, but equally offensive item. It seems like it would be very tricky to manage such a trade properly. Done poorly, it might even offend the wrong people.

 

What about trading up? I guess we would need to replace the offending item with a really offensive item.

 

I do not agree with trading for an offensive or unsuitable item in a cache. I just remove it and toss it.

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I am overwhelmed at some of the "points" being brought up in here.

 

1) ANYONE can buy a condom. There are ZERO age restrictions and it should always be that way.

2) Condoms aren't the equivalent of porn, handguns, razorblades, etc.

3) Negative attitudes about condoms is what actually leads people to not have one when they need one. Many people are ashamed to buy condoms and it is society and the attitudes about sex that makes them "dirty" and makes people who SHOULD have them equate buying condoms with the purchasing of porn.

4) Nobody is qualified to be the morality cop. If you are offended by something, even if you are in the majority, there is someone who is NOT offended by it

5) A condom is a useful item even if there are no penises to be found. It's a fact. Trade up or trade even. (arguments could be had for the usefulness of even a used condom but, I don't want to go there)

6) This is a game/hobby/activity, folks. Keep it light or you are playing it wrong

7) Having a condom doesn't imply a lack of virtue

8) Condoms don't have pictures of naughty bits on the packaging. Nor do condoms promote sex.

9) If your child sees a condom and knows what it is, the time for the "talk" has arrived or passed.

10) If your child doesn't know what a condom is and asks "what's that?" and you don't want to have the talk, say it's something that is for older people, not a toy. You won't be lying in any way.

 

That's just 10 points. Don't agree, fine. The point is that, while I would never put a condom in a cache, I can see many uses for one, not related to naughtiness. For anyone who giggles or gasps at the sight of a condom, I would ask that they attain a little more maturity.

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I would like to move on from the specific condom aspect to the general question. ...

 

Local laws will tell you. If Kids can't have it or buy it, it's not "family friendly".

Is there anywhere that a kid can't have or buy condoms? Serious question... if so I've never heard of it....

 

That's my point. Condoms are a non issue and while they may not be family friend (and I agree with your take on it) they are not kid unfriendly in the 'safety, security, and mental health' standpoint enough for the gubbiment, to restrict access. Thus they are close enough to family friendly for a cache.

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...I do not agree with trading for an offensive or unsuitable item in a cache. I just remove it and toss it.

 

That's fine where the object is UNIVERSALLY offesnive. However where it may or may not be offensive depending the values of the person a trade solves all the ethical issues. Once you trade for it, it's yours and you can toss it and there really isn't a moral offesnive argument to be had.

 

Unsuitable? That's another thing. I'd love to Find all kinds of things that are considered unsuitable. Roman Candles to herald in the new years being one. A cool zippo being another (though a Zippo's unsuitable nature can be debated).

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Personally, I don't think it falls under the family-friendly guideline, and should come out of the cache.
I agree.

 

I agree. And further, every time that I find something like that in a cache, it won't be there when I leave.

 

And there will be only three entities who will ever know about it:

- me

- Mrs. Team Cotati

- God

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That's fine where the object is UNIVERSALLY offesnive. However where it may or may not be offensive depending the values of the person a trade solves all the ethical issues. Once you trade for it, it's yours and you can toss it and there really isn't a moral offesnive argument to be had.

Universally offensive? Now that I have to see.

 

Trading something that belongs in a cache for something that does not belong in a cache is not a fair trade.

Some may claim that it is trading up, but they are hopelessly confused. Ignore or toss are the correct

choices. But ignore is a slippery slope, fraught with moral peril.

 

Why all the absolutism about trading anyway? Swag degradation over time is a well-documented, but poorly

understood phenomenon. Clearly, many swag traders are playing a zero-sum game.

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I am overwhelmed at some of the "points" being brought up in here.

 

1) ANYONE can buy a condom. There are ZERO age restrictions and it should always be that way.

2) Condoms aren't the equivalent of porn, handguns, razorblades, etc.

3) Negative attitudes about condoms is what actually leads people to not have one when they need one. Many people are ashamed to buy condoms and it is society and the attitudes about sex that makes them "dirty" and makes people who SHOULD have them equate buying condoms with the purchasing of porn.

4) Nobody is qualified to be the morality cop. If you are offended by something, even if you are in the majority, there is someone who is NOT offended by it

5) A condom is a useful item even if there are no penises to be found. It's a fact. Trade up or trade even. (arguments could be had for the usefulness of even a used condom but, I don't want to go there)

6) This is a game/hobby/activity, folks. Keep it light or you are playing it wrong

7) Having a condom doesn't imply a lack of virtue

8) Condoms don't have pictures of naughty bits on the packaging. Nor do condoms promote sex.

9) If your child sees a condom and knows what it is, the time for the "talk" has arrived or passed.

10) If your child doesn't know what a condom is and asks "what's that?" and you don't want to have the talk, say it's something that is for older people, not a toy. You won't be lying in any way.

 

That's just 10 points. Don't agree, fine. The point is that, while I would never put a condom in a cache, I can see many uses for one, not related to naughtiness. For anyone who giggles or gasps at the sight of a condom, I would ask that they attain a little more maturity.

 

Bittswn, you are my hero! :rolleyes:

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I am overwhelmed at some of the "points" being brought up in here.

 

1) ANYONE can buy a condom. There are ZERO age restrictions and it should always be that way.

2) Condoms aren't the equivalent of porn, handguns, razorblades, etc.

3) Negative attitudes about condoms is what actually leads people to not have one when they need one. Many people are ashamed to buy condoms and it is society and the attitudes about sex that makes them "dirty" and makes people who SHOULD have them equate buying condoms with the purchasing of porn.

4) Nobody is qualified to be the morality cop. If you are offended by something, even if you are in the majority, there is someone who is NOT offended by it

5) A condom is a useful item even if there are no penises to be found. It's a fact. Trade up or trade even. (arguments could be had for the usefulness of even a used condom but, I don't want to go there)

6) This is a game/hobby/activity, folks. Keep it light or you are playing it wrong

7) Having a condom doesn't imply a lack of virtue

8) Condoms don't have pictures of naughty bits on the packaging. Nor do condoms promote sex.

9) If your child sees a condom and knows what it is, the time for the "talk" has arrived or passed.

10) If your child doesn't know what a condom is and asks "what's that?" and you don't want to have the talk, say it's something that is for older people, not a toy. You won't be lying in any way.

 

That's just 10 points. Don't agree, fine. The point is that, while I would never put a condom in a cache, I can see many uses for one, not related to naughtiness. For anyone who giggles or gasps at the sight of a condom, I would ask that they attain a little more maturity.

 

I completely agree with all 10. Amazing. Nice summary Bittsen. I've contemplated the list for a while and maybe it's the egg nog but I can't add anything other than approval. And amazingly nor can I argue with anything on there. So my post is just a +1 for the quoted one I guess...

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Condoms are part of society. If your child finds one, it's better for them to ask a parent what they are, rather than to find out in other ways, or from other people, eh? :rolleyes:

 

However after reading some of the replies in this thread I've decided to cancel the order for my signature item, which was to be a Trojan condom with "4wheelin_fool" and a geocaching logo printed on the side... :ph34r:

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Condoms are part of society. If your child finds one, it's better for them to ask a parent what they are, rather than to find out in other ways, or from other people, eh? :rolleyes:

 

However after reading some of the replies in this thread I've decided to cancel the order for my signature item, which was to be a Trojan condom with "4wheelin_fool" and a geocaching logo printed on the side... :ph34r:

 

WOW, you were going to go all out, weren't you?

I was just going to buy generic ones and staple them to a card. I figured one staple through the middle would hold up well enough.

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Condoms are part of society. If your child finds one, it's better for them to ask a parent what they are, rather than to find out in other ways, or from other people, eh? :rolleyes:

 

However after reading some of the replies in this thread I've decided to cancel the order for my signature item, which was to be a Trojan condom with "4wheelin_fool" and a geocaching logo printed on the side... :ph34r:

 

WOW, you were going to go all out, weren't you?

I was just going to buy generic ones and staple them to a card. I figured one staple through the middle would hold up well enough.

 

One day in the convent the nuns had their morning pray session and the end of the prayer session the head nun stood up and addressed the rest of the nuns. She said, "There was a man in the convent last night." All of the nuns go ohhh, but 1 of them goes hehehe.

 

Even more terrible about what happened, last night I found a pair of lace underpants in the hallway. All of the nuns go ohhh, but 1 of them goes hehehe.

 

The head nun goes on, "We found a condom in the garden." Again all of the nuns go ohhhh, 1 nun goes hehehe.

 

The head nun continues "There was a hole in that condom." All of the nuns go hehehe and 1 nun goes ohhh.

:o

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There are, at last count, 347 of us who use this caching/forum posting handle. You never know which one of us is actually posting at any given time.

Health tip:

 

When you put your hand inside a sock puppet, you are shaking hands with every other person who has had their hand up in there. :o

 

Funny story (and kind of on topic and related to the previous post!)

 

The eldest son and I had THE TALK this past year. When I got around to the subject of "protection" I used the only available visual aid I had available- a tube sock. I talked for about 15 minutes on this particular subject and only got a couple of blinks and a deer-in-headlights response. At the end of it his only words were...

 

"I will never look at a sock puppet the same way again."

 

 

Ever since then, when he gets a little too cheeky and full of himself I only have to threaten, "don't make me get a sock puppet."

 

I'd like to nominate this for funniest post of the year. :)

 

By the time my dad got around to The Talk, I had already been there done that. ;)

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I think I may apply the same thinking of "It's offensive to me, so I'll just take it and throw it out" to any bibles I find in the caches, because it promotes violence to women, intolerance and other violence. And while we're at it, just take out any other books I disagree with.

 

I guess the cool multi-tools I was going to put in the caches are out, too, since children might injure themselves with them. And small toys could pose a choking hazard. Money and nice geocoins and TB's might inspire theft, so those are out, too.

 

There are some things we can all agree on that are bad, but there are some things that just aren't that big a deal. Kids are way more likely to skip over a condom and go for the small toys than to ponder the meaning of a foil-wrapped latex tube. The only problem I can forsee with it is that they might first think it's candy, but that's an easily corrected idea.

 

All in all, trade up or trade even, even for questionable items unless it's obviously trash, then cache in trash out.

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I think I may apply the same thinking of "It's offensive to me, so I'll just take it and throw it out" to any bibles I find in the caches, because it promotes violence to women, intolerance and other violence. And while we're at it, just take out any other books I disagree with.

 

I guess the cool multi-tools I was going to put in the caches are out, too, since children might injure themselves with them. And small toys could pose a choking hazard. Money and nice geocoins and TB's might inspire theft, so those are out, too.

 

There are some things we can all agree on that are bad, but there are some things that just aren't that big a deal. Kids are way more likely to skip over a condom and go for the small toys than to ponder the meaning of a foil-wrapped latex tube. The only problem I can forsee with it is that they might first think it's candy, but that's an easily corrected idea.

 

All in all, trade up or trade even, even for questionable items unless it's obviously trash, then cache in trash out.

Don't forget the plastic bags, both ziplock and CITO, because a child could suffocate after placing one on their heads.

 

I've found condoms in caches, removed them too. I would hope I traded even, but who can judge? It's one of those grey areas. I may not feel it's appropriate, but someone does. I don't see how you could trust it... When my daughter asked what it was, I told her and she had a baffled look on her face and then went "Eeeew". It was kind of funny. Only because at her age, boys are yuckie. Not long before that changes though.

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I might ignore it and maybe email the owner and/or note it in the online log.

 

I'm a newbie and have found three traditional caches, two of which had a choice of two objects; I quickly chose one, left something uncannily similar and can't remember what the others were, couldn't point them out in a line-up. I very much enjoyed moving the first object from one cache to the next and recording that on the online log. Fun hobby.

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That's fine where the object is UNIVERSALLY offesnive. However where it may or may not be offensive depending the values of the person a trade solves all the ethical issues. Once you trade for it, it's yours and you can toss it and there really isn't a moral offesnive argument to be had.

Universally offensive? Now that I have to see.

 

Trading something that belongs in a cache for something that does not belong in a cache is not a fair trade....

 

What universal set of rules are you using to determin what doesn't belong in a cache? Pancakes don't belong in a cache and nobody would complain if you just tossed it. However a high end Ka-Bar? Some of us think knives are perfectly good swag while others think not. Either way it's worth trading for.

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