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OK, this one is just for fun. No finger pointing. It's a tough job.

But - sometimes a datasheet just tickles the funny bone, right?

 

Browsing the Pleasanton CA area for an upcoming Thanksgiving trip to visit relatives, friends, geocache, benchmark hunt. Saw this, just had to share:

HS3987: "....A 5/8-INCH COPPER COATED ROAD DRIVEN TO GRADUAL REFUSAL AT A DEPTH OF 83 FEET."

 

Amazing what one little extra letter can do.

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Here's another one! Same area. Not a typo, but interesting anyway.

 

HS3995: "....6.6 FEET NORTHWEST OF ELECTROLIER NUMBER 1149...."

 

Luckily, good ol' wikipedia came through on the "ELECTROLIER".

I certainly didn't have a clue!

 

I'll post a picture, if I get there, and if it's still there (a bit doubtful).

Edited by Klemmer & TeddyBearMama

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LOL. Driving on those copper-coated roads can be annoying. Not only are they slick in wet weather, but they attract lightning!

 

-Paul-

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LOL. Driving on those copper-coated roads can be annoying. Not only are they slick in wet weather, but they attract lightning!

 

-Paul-

 

ROF :)

 

Thanks, that has started my day off good.

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HS3987: "....A 5/8-INCH COPPER COATED ROAD DRIVEN TO GRADUAL REFUSAL AT A DEPTH OF 83 FEET."

It must be very expensive to copper-coat an entire road!

 

But what's this about a depth of 83 feet? Were they monumenting a survey station or drilling a well?

 

Patty

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Not exactly a typo, but an amusing story...

JV4351

JV4351

JV4351 HISTORY - Date Condition Report By

JV4351 HISTORY - 1924 MONUMENTED CGS

JV4351 HISTORY - 1956 SEE DESCRIPTION WSSC

JV4351 HISTORY - 1957 GOOD PEPCO

JV4351

JV4351 STATION DESCRIPTION

JV4351

JV4351'DESCRIBED BY WASH SUBURB SAN COMM 1956 (MLC)

JV4351'THE STATION AND REFERENCE MARKS 1 AND 5 WERE RECOVERED AND FOUND

JV4351'TO BE IN GOOD CONDITION.

JV4351'

JV4351'THE STATION MARK IS NOW ABOUT 8 IN. BELOW THE SURFACE OF A

JV4351'DIRT FLOOR IN THE PRIVATE GREENHOUSE BELONGING TO MR. SAM

JV4351'WALKER 111, WHO GAVE PERMISSION TO MAKE A TRAVERSE CONNECTION

JV4351'TO STATION HUNT 1956, WHICH IS LOCATED NEARBY ON THE E SIDE OF

JV4351'GLEN MILL ROAD AT THE SUMMIT OF THE HILL.

JV4351'

JV4351'THE STATION AND REFERENCE MARKS WILL PROBABLY REMAIN IN GOOD

JV4351'CONDITION FOR MANY YEARS, BUT ITS USE SHOULD BE LIMITED SO THAT

JV4351'IT DOES NOT BECOME A NUISANCE TO MR. WALKER.

I found a similar situation on a nearby station, but it'll take a little time to find it again.

~ Mitch ~

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>depth of 83 feet

 

That's only slightly unusual. The goal is to hit bedrock with the bottom of the rod, and in some areas there is a lot of clay to get through before you find rock.

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Here are the NGS specs. for driving stainless steel rod marks:

 

11. Repeat step 10 (adding rod sections) until the rod refuses to drive further (anchored), or until a driving rate of 60 seconds per foot is achieved. In the event that the rod will not sufficiently slow down to meet desired driving rate, terminate upon reaching 90 feet (22.5 rods). This will leave about 2 feet of rod out of the hole. If possible, let the rod set overnight, then drive the remaining 2 feet of rod to determine whether driving rate has reduced. If rod feels secure in ground, use this depth even though minimum driving rate of 60 seconds per foot has not been met. If the rod turns freely in clockwise direction, contact NGS for a decision to drive additional rods. Sometimes, all that is necessary to achieve a well anchored rod is driving it a few more feet. In other instances an additional hundred feet may be required. Indicate in the written station description the depth of rod, and whether it was driven to refusal or met the slow driving rate. Also include a description of any unusual mark setting circumstances.

 

On-line at: http://www.ngs.noaa.gov/ContractingOpportu.../PR_SOW_v9C.pdf, Attachment E: “Setting an NGS 3-D Monument”.

 

GeorgeL

NGS

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>depth of 83 feet

 

That's only slightly unusual. The goal is to hit bedrock with the bottom of the rod, and in some areas there is a lot of clay to get through before you find rock.

Good point. That would be true around my house (adobe), for instance.

 

I'm used to looking for benchmarks in Yosemite, where bedrock is about, oh, 1/2" below the accumulated duff. :laughing:

 

(And backpacking experiments conducted about 35 years apart prove that the bedrock in the Sierra Nevada has been getting even harder. :laughing:)

 

Patty

Edited by Wintertime

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I've found a few typos, but nothing that struck me quite as funny as the copper coated road--none that I recall, anyway. Here was one interesting entry I recalled finding while perusing stations...

 

QL0562'RECOVERY NOTE BY MI DEPT OF HIGHWAYS 1981 (BT)

QL0562'SPALDING 1954 NOT RECOVERED.

QL0562'

QL0562'CREW WAS TOLD TO LEAVE PROPERTY BY IRATE FARM OWNER WHO SAID THE

QL0562'MARK WAS IN HIS ROCK PILE. ANOTHER LOCATION IS SUGGESTED.

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Another one, this one I did not attempt. FB0801

 

134 YARDS NORTHEAST AND ACROSS THE TRACKS FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF A ROUNDHOUSE

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>CORNER OF A ROUNDHOUSE

 

Sounds like an oxymoron at first, but it may be real. In railroad terminology a roundhouse is where engines can be turned around, and nothing says the turntable can't be housed in a rectangular building.

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The 1988 crew must have used a helicopter to access this one:

 

TH0746''THE MONUMENT IS A CAST-IRON OBELISK WHICH PROJECTS ABOUT 1.49 KM

TH0746''(0.95 MI) ABOVE THE TOP OF A 0.6 M (2.0 FT) SQUARE CONCRETE BASE THAT

TH0746''IS FLUSH WITH THE SURFACE.

------

Didn't know GPS was very accurate back then; being this much closer to the satelites may have helped!

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TH0746''THE MONUMENT APPEARS TO BE OUT OF PLUMB ABOUT 3 CM TO THE WEST.

TH0746''THE POINT OCCUPIED BY GPS IS A PUNCH MARK 2.5 CM EAST AND 0.5 CM NORTH

TH0746''OF THE APEX OF THE OBELISK AND ON THE TOP OF THE EAST FACE OF THE

TH0746''OBELISK. THE AREA AROUND THE PUNCH MARK WAS BUFFED WITH AN EMERY

TH0746''WHEEL. MONUMENT POSITIONS REPRESENTED BY A PUNCH MARK WILL BE

TH0746''REPLUMBED AT A FUTURE DATE BY THE IBC. THE GPS POSITION OF THE PUNCH

TH0746''MARK WILL BE HELD FIXED DURING THE REPLUMBING.

TH0746''TYPED BY E.A.R.

 

Note that this and only one other PID out of a total of 38 border monuments will be found in the Daniels County, Montana listing. All the rest are with Valley County or Sheridan County. MEL

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The 1988 crew must have used a helicopter to access this one:

 

TH0746''THE MONUMENT IS A CAST-IRON OBELISK WHICH PROJECTS ABOUT 1.49 KM

TH0746''(0.95 MI) ABOVE THE TOP OF A 0.6 M (2.0 FT) SQUARE CONCRETE BASE THAT

TH0746''IS FLUSH WITH THE SURFACE.

------

Didn't know GPS was very accurate back then; being this much closer to the satelites may have helped!

------

TH0746''THE MONUMENT APPEARS TO BE OUT OF PLUMB ABOUT 3 CM TO THE WEST.

TH0746''THE POINT OCCUPIED BY GPS IS A PUNCH MARK 2.5 CM EAST AND 0.5 CM NORTH

TH0746''OF THE APEX OF THE OBELISK AND ON THE TOP OF THE EAST FACE OF THE

TH0746''OBELISK. THE AREA AROUND THE PUNCH MARK WAS BUFFED WITH AN EMERY

TH0746''WHEEL. MONUMENT POSITIONS REPRESENTED BY A PUNCH MARK WILL BE

TH0746''REPLUMBED AT A FUTURE DATE BY THE IBC. THE GPS POSITION OF THE PUNCH

TH0746''MARK WILL BE HELD FIXED DURING THE REPLUMBING.

TH0746''TYPED BY E.A.R.

 

Note that this and only one other PID out of a total of 38 border monuments will be found in the Daniels County, Montana listing. All the rest are with Valley County or Sheridan County. MEL

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A tale of 2 BMs with the same name too close together:

 

Came across this DS "typo" when planning a potential trip to ARIZONA with KayakBird.

 

EU0944 DESIGNATION - CROSS

EU0944 PID - EU0944

EU0944 STATE/COUNTY- AZ/MOHAVE

EU0944 USGS QUAD - BOUNDARY CONE (1986)

 

. . .

 

EU0944 STATION RECOVERY (1965)

. . .

 

EU0944''A COMPLETE NEW DESCRIPTION FOLLOWS--

EU0944''

EU0944''THE STATION IS LOCATED ABOUT 22 MILES NORTHWEST OF TWENTYNINE

EU0944''PALMS, 20 MILES SOUTH OF LUDLOW AND IN THE MARINE CORPS TRAINING

EU0944''CENTER ON THE HIGHEST POINT OF A RIDGE ON THE SOUTH EDGE OF THE

EU0944''BULLION MOUNTAINS.

EU0944''

 

. . . (more note)

 

. . . (more note), etc.

 

For those of you not familiar with geography in that neck of the country, Twenynine Palms USMC base is about 100 miles SW of EU0944 in CALIFORNIA. Not actually that far away by Montana standards. Dad's old regiment was posted there last I knew. He would have been OkieMarine if he'd lived long enough to get into benchmark hunting. He would have enjoyed it as long as someone else did the computer work.

 

After a bit of searching, CROSS number 2 showed up:

 

EV3977 DESIGNATION - CROSS

EV3977 PID - EV3977

EV3977 STATE/COUNTY- CA/SAN BERNARDINO

EV3977 USGS QUAD - DEADMAN LAKE NW (1994)

EV3977

 

. . .

 

EV3977 STATION RECOVERY (1965)

EV3977

EV3977''RECOVERY NOTE BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1965 (JJL)

EV3977''STATION RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION AS DESCRIBED.

 

A very lengthy recovery note from 1965 was added to the AZ version of CROSS (1934) that should have been added to the note for the CA version of CROSS (1935). A "typo" that I think is easily explained or understood.

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Deja Vu all over again

 

Still scouting next brass hunting trip with KayakBird and ran across another "typo" where a recovery note for one PID got plunked into a totally different DS.

 

I was looking at

 

FS1176 DESIGNATION - PASS

FS1176 PID - FS1176

FS1176 STATE/COUNTY- NV/CLARK

FS1176 USGS QUAD - BOULDER CITY (1984)

 

and noticed a 1964 recovery note that didn't fit.

 

FS1176 STATION RECOVERY (1964)

FS1176

FS1176''RECOVERY NOTE BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1964 (GCR)

FS1176''STATION WAS RECOVERED AND MARKS FOUND AS DESCRIBED IN 1952. ROUTE

FS1176''TO REACH AS DESCRIBED COULD NOT BE FOLLOWED DUE TO LOCKED GATE

FS1176''AT ABANDONED FARM HOUSE WHICH WAS 0.5 MILE NNW, OFF THE OAK

FS1176''CREEK HIGHWAY.

FS1176''

FS1176''THE BELL SYSTEM TELEPHONE COMPANY HAVE A NEW ROAD WHICH LEADS

FS1176''EASTERLY ALONG THE RIDGE CREST FOR ABOUT 0.7 MILE TO JUNCTION

FS1176''OF DIRT ROAD WHICH LEADS EASTERLY ALONG CREST OF MAIN RIDGE TO

FS1176''THE STATION.

FS1176''

FS1176''TO REACH FROM RAILROAD DEPOT IN TECHACHAPI, GO EAST ON

FS1176''U.S. HIGHWAY 466 FOR 3.0 MILES. TURN RIGHT AND GO S AND SE ON

FS1176''THE WILLOW SPRINGS-OAK CREEK ROAD FOR 6.75 MILE TO JUNCTION OF

FS1176''CAMERON CANYON ROAD, LEFT. THIS IS 0.3 MILE BEFORE REACHING

FS1176''JUNCTION OF THE OAK CREEK ROAD TO MOJAVE. TURN LEFT, GO

FS1176''NORTHERLY ON CAMERON CANYON ROAD 1.9 MILE TO SUMMIT AND LOCKED

FS1176''GATE. TURN RIGHT THROUGH GATE AND GO EASTERLY ON NEW GRADED

FS1176''DIRT ROAD 0.4 MILE TO NEW TELEPHONE INSTALLATIONS. THEN

FS1176''CONTINUE ABOUT 0.3 MILE ON GRADED DIRT ROAD OVER CREST OF RIDGE

FS1176''TO JUNCTION OF MAIN TRACK ROAD LEADING E. GO EASTERLY ON MAIN ROAD

FS1176''ALONG CREST OF RIDGE 1.5 MILE TO THE STATION HILL ON RIGHT

FS1176''SIDE OF ROAD, ABOUT 50 YARDS S OF ROAD.

 

Put on the big search and found

 

FU3354 DESIGNATION - CAMERON

FU3354 PID - FU3354

FU3354 STATE/COUNTY- CA/KERN

FU3354 USGS QUAD - MONOLITH (1992)

 

with this 1962 recovery note:

 

FU3354 STATION RECOVERY (1962)

FU3354

FU3354''RECOVERY NOTE BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1962 (EBB)

FU3354''THE STATION MARK AND REFERENCE MARKS NO 1, NO 2 AND NO 3 WERE

FU3354''RECOVERED IN GOOD CONDITION AS DESCRIBED.

FU3354''

FU3354''A NEW DESCRIPTION FOLLOWS. FROM THE RAILROAD DEPOT IN

FU3354''TEHACHAPI GO EAST ON U.S. HIGHWAY 466 FOR 3.0 MILES TO THE

FU3354''WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD ON THE RIGHT, SOUTH, SIDE OF ROAD.

FU3354''TURN RIGHT AND GO SOUTHEASTERLY ON THE WILLOW SPRINGS ROAD

FU3354''FOR 6.8 MILES (0.2 MILE BEFORE REACHING OAK CREEK) TO THE

FU3354''CAMERON CANYON ROAD LEFT, EAST. TURN LEFT ON THE CAMERON

FU3354''CANYON ROAD AND GO 0.3 MILE TO A CATTLE GUARD. CONTINUE

FU3354''NORTHEASTERLY UP GRADE FOR 1.6 MILE TO SUMMIT AND LOCKED

FU3354''GATE ON THE RIGHT, SOUTHEAST, SIDE OF ROAD. PASS THROUGH

FU3354''GATE AND GO EASTERLY ON TRACK ROAD FOR ABOUT 1/2 MILE TO

FU3354''HIGHEST POINT AND STATION.

 

My previous post with same type of typo showed two PIDs with same name. This isn't the case here.

 

Oh well, as you say, nobody's perfect.

 

Cheers,

JCS

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Went benchmarking today and found 2 out 3 for the day. Tough hunting some of these marks out here.

 

I tell you what!

 

It is a real pain trying to find the benchmark that is "SET ON TOP OF A 5/8 INCH COPPER COATED ROAD, ENCASED IN A 6 INCH TILE PROJECTING 10 IN." We just could not find any ROAD let alone find that 5/8 inch copper ROAD!! We posted pictures showing all four directions on the log page, but here is a picture looking south (the disk is supposed to be 64 feet north of the center of the road) so you may try finding that described road. :)

 

df3b763e-068b-4541-bb6a-1e156a6d4827.jpg

 

Found the benchmark but no road to be seen anywhere close by.

 

John & Shirley

 

Old age struck again - forgot to add the link for the benchmark page. Link for B 144 in utah

 

John

Edited by 2oldfarts (the rockhounders)

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Another one of those elegantly set marks in Maine...

 

OC1543 DESCRIBED BY COAST AND GEODETIC SURVEY 1941 (PLB)

OC1543 STATION IS LOCATED ON THE SW END OF JEWELL ISLAND ON A SMALL

OC1543 BRUSHY KNOLL, ABOUT 300 FT. S OF A FOUR-STORY SQUARE WHITE

OC1543 CONCRETE FIRE CONTROL STATION, AND 50 FT. SE OF THE W EDGE OF

OC1543 A HEAVILY TIMBERED SECTION ON THE ISLAND. IT IS A STANDARD

OC1543 TRAVERSE -STATION DISK, STAMPED JEWELL ID 167 1941 SET PLUSH

OC1543 IN OUTCROPPING BEDROCK.

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We just could not find any ROAD let alone find that 5/8 inch copper ROAD!! We posted pictures showing all four directions on the log page, but here is a picture looking south (the disk is supposed to be 64 feet north of the center of the road) so you may try finding that described road. <_<

 

df3b763e-068b-4541-bb6a-1e156a6d4827.jpg

 

Found the benchmark but no road to be seen anywhere close by.

 

John & Shirley

 

 

Are you guys benchmarking on the moon?

 

Actually, you probably already know this, but the old road was not quite as staight as the current road. Here is the road approximately as it was in 1953 (the map is current with the dashed line being the path of the road in 1953).

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Beyond SCUBA depth?

Not a typo, but I think a little silly for a NOT FOUND recovery without an explanation note - or did they actually go down with deep sea diving equipment?

HN0199

Five others in this 1921 string have not been recovered. kayakbird

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Despite posting it in another thread, because I can't search it appears, here's a fun one in Florida with no location. It's a true 'locationless' benchmark:

 

 DL5509						 *CURRENT SURVEY CONTROL
DL5509  ___________________________________________________________________
DL5509*			 -				( )				   ( )	 SCALED	
DL5509* NAVD 88	 -		39.143  (meters)	 128.42   (feet)  ADJUSTED  
DL5509  ___________________________________________________________________
DL5509
DL5509  VERT ORDER  -  FIRST	 CLASS II

 

Not even is there no location, there's no datum! Luckily, the description is written VERY well, so if anyone down near Orlando wants to get the coordinates, this sheet could use a little updating. :blink: There's another, DL5510, seems to be from the same run as this one.

 

-Mike

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