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One of my caches had been off line for five months ( bad form i know ) but a needs maintenances note was placed on the page by the school prefect, so I checked up on the cacher only to find the cacher in question had no finds, no hides……..

 

No e-mail was sent to me asking why it had been offline so long, just the note.

 

Do we have a new reviewer or a vigilante, or just a school bulley?

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One of my caches had been off line for five months ( bad form i know ) but a needs maintenances note was placed on the page by the school prefect, so I checked up on the cacher only to find the cacher in question had no finds, no hides……..

 

No e-mail was sent to me asking why it had been offline so long, just the note.

 

Do we have a new reviewer or a vigilante, or just a school bulley?

 

Reviewers have a separate account to cache with. They often have no hides/finds on the reviewer ID.

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As the guidlines for maintaining a cache hidden by yourself state:

 

You may temporarily disable your cache to let others know not to hunt for it until you have a chance to fix the problem. This feature is to allow you a reasonable time – normally a few weeks – in which to arrange a visit to your cache.

 

I think that the only thing the 'School Prefect' did wrong was to use an anonymous account to do the deed. If you feel strongly enough on the subject do it openly.

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Ditto what Stuey says.

Probably a local cacher getting a bit fed up with having a disabled cache on their doorstep for so long with no action, and didn't want to use their real name.

I wouldn't call it bullying...

A e-mail would be nice?

 

The needs maintenance feature is there to be used.... I'd prefer to use it instead of an email. That way it saves anyone else going down the same route as other cachers know someone else is on the case.

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Judging by your reaction and the name-calling I think I understand why they have used a sock.....I may be wrong but your OP doesn't paint you in a great light

 

Guess i was just upset that this was done by a sock and also they not have any hides to their name ( not the sock).

 

Took it to heart, its only a game,

 

kev

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Judging by your reaction and the name-calling I think I understand why they have used a sock.....I may be wrong but your OP doesn't paint you in a great light

 

Guess i was just upset that this was done by a sock and also they not have any hides to their name ( not the sock).

 

Took it to heart, its only a game,

 

kev

I would hazard a guess that if they have seen this thread they will be pleased with their decision to have used a sock.

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...but a needs maintenances note was placed on the page by the school prefect..

 

Surely you mean a 'Needs Archiving'?

'Needs Maintenance' logs are there to help the owner :D

 

I've seen School Prefect put Needs Archiving logs on a few caches recently and can fully understand why he/she feels the need to use a sock puppet account.

 

Someone else posted Needs Archiving logs (under their own name) on a few abandoned local caches about a year ago and got a barrage of nasty logs in return. :)

 

 

 

Mark

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I too have had a self appointed school prefect post a cryptic note on one of my caches. Like Silver Fox I totally agree that a PM or email would have been the best first course of action to find out the reason for any delay.

 

Whilst those who are able to go on this Forum all the time and who have the opportunity to cache 24/7 may think the likes of me are not 'playing by the rules' I would point out that some of us have other issues and concerns in our lives. We have set our caches as volunteers not as employees of Groundspeak. It can be quite upsetting to have others post notes without having the decency to contact us first - quite frankly it's very bad manners. I

 

Please consider others before firing off a casual note - not everyone is fortunate enough to have the ability to go out caching all the time!

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I too have had a self appointed school prefect post a cryptic note on one of my caches. Like Silver Fox I totally agree that a PM or email would have been the best first course of action to find out the reason for any delay.

 

Whilst those who are able to go on this Forum all the time and who have the opportunity to cache 24/7 may think the likes of me are not 'playing by the rules' I would point out that some of us have other issues and concerns in our lives. We have set our caches as volunteers not as employees of Groundspeak. It can be quite upsetting to have others post notes without having the decency to contact us first - quite frankly it's very bad manners. I

 

Please consider others before firing off a casual note - not everyone is fortunate enough to have the ability to go out caching all the time!

 

I put the note on your cache,no probs in it being known.....i dont hide behind a sock puppet

 

And just to add i put notes or Sba's on 50 or so other caches today to.....

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I too have had a self appointed school prefect post a cryptic note on one of my caches. Like Silver Fox I totally agree that a PM or email would have been the best first course of action to find out the reason for any delay.

 

Whilst those who are able to go on this Forum all the time and who have the opportunity to cache 24/7 may think the likes of me are not 'playing by the rules' I would point out that some of us have other issues and concerns in our lives. We have set our caches as volunteers not as employees of Groundspeak. It can be quite upsetting to have others post notes without having the decency to contact us first - quite frankly it's very bad manners. I

 

Please consider others before firing off a casual note - not everyone is fortunate enough to have the ability to go out caching all the time!

 

Hmm, you take on a certain responsability though by placing a cache? Or am I missing something?

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Nothing wrong with a note on a cache page, it means that the cache owner gets a notification that somebody has looked at the page and has shown an interest. There is also the option to delete that note, if you don't agree with it, that is your choice as owner.

With three options available: Write Note, Needs Maintainance and Needs Archived, I know which one I prefer to use when giving a gentle prod, better than the other two.

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I've seen a few bad and trashed caches, where cachers have made comment, posted notes etc and the owner ignored them, because they haven't made a NM or NA log. I post a NM log and then get a stressed email response. So if I think it is justified, I will go straight for the NA, like the time I got chased off a motel property by the duty manager, I went straight for the NA because the owner had placed it in the parking area at the back of a motel, without permission.

Our reviewer out here let it ride for a few weeks, posting a reviewer comment log, then another cacher was chased off the property so it got archived, with no response from the owner.

Basically irresponsible owners get what they deserve. :)

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It boils down to this,If youre not prepared/able to maintain the caches you set.........................DONT SET THEM ! , Simple as that. I fully accept people have life changes but a simple note placed on the cache would lead to local cachers offering to help im sure.Seems to me that its all the rage to throw out caches these days with no thought of their future care.

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I think maybe, regardless of whether the School Prefect was right or wrong to post a needs archiving log, it is the choice of name that may be the factor that has annoyed people. A prefect can be defined as "a person appointed to any of various positions of command, authority, or superintendence". The choice of name appears to indicate that whoever has started this sock puppet account feels they have some jurisdiction over the geocaching community. A completely random name with no meaning may have been a less contentious choice for the person who is using this sock puppet account and may have received a less angered response.

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I too have had a self appointed school prefect post a cryptic note on one of my caches. Like Silver Fox I totally agree that a PM or email would have been the best first course of action to find out the reason for any delay.

 

Whilst those who are able to go on this Forum all the time and who have the opportunity to cache 24/7 may think the likes of me are not 'playing by the rules' I would point out that some of us have other issues and concerns in our lives. We have set our caches as volunteers not as employees of Groundspeak. It can be quite upsetting to have others post notes without having the decency to contact us first - quite frankly it's very bad manners. I

 

Please consider others before firing off a casual note - not everyone is fortunate enough to have the ability to go out caching all the time!

 

I put the note on your cache,no probs in it being known.....i dont hide behind a sock puppet

 

And just to add i put notes or Sba's on 50 or so other caches today to.....

Jon - are you saying you are "School Prefect"? In which case "i dont hide behind a sock puppet" seems a bit rich, since it clearly is just such an account. Why not post SBAs under TDW instead? As others have said, a "self-appointed Prefect" has connotations that is guaranteed to upset cache owners...

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I too have had a self appointed school prefect post a cryptic note on one of my caches. Like Silver Fox I totally agree that a PM or email would have been the best first course of action to find out the reason for any delay.

 

Whilst those who are able to go on this Forum all the time and who have the opportunity to cache 24/7 may think the likes of me are not 'playing by the rules' I would point out that some of us have other issues and concerns in our lives. We have set our caches as volunteers not as employees of Groundspeak. It can be quite upsetting to have others post notes without having the decency to contact us first - quite frankly it's very bad manners. I

 

Please consider others before firing off a casual note - not everyone is fortunate enough to have the ability to go out caching all the time!

 

I put the note on your cache,no probs in it being known.....i dont hide behind a sock puppet

 

And just to add i put notes or Sba's on 50 or so other caches today to.....

Jon - are you saying you are "School Prefect"? In which case "i dont hide behind a sock puppet" seems a bit rich, since it clearly is just such an account. Why not post SBAs under TDW instead? As others have said, a "self-appointed Prefect" has connotations that is guaranteed to upset cache owners...

 

I believe Jon has been posting NM and NA logs under his own name......including at least one of mine. I very much doubt, therefore, that he's hidden behind a sock to post other logs - and see nothing wrong with what he is doing either. And experiencing first hand the reaction some COs have to people daring to question their own caches, I can also fully understand why some people would choose to use a sock account too.

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I too have had a self appointed school prefect post a cryptic note on one of my caches. Like Silver Fox I totally agree that a PM or email would have been the best first course of action to find out the reason for any delay.

 

Whilst those who are able to go on this Forum all the time and who have the opportunity to cache 24/7 may think the likes of me are not 'playing by the rules' I would point out that some of us have other issues and concerns in our lives. We have set our caches as volunteers not as employees of Groundspeak. It can be quite upsetting to have others post notes without having the decency to contact us first - quite frankly it's very bad manners. I

 

Please consider others before firing off a casual note - not everyone is fortunate enough to have the ability to go out caching all the time!

 

I put the note on your cache,no probs in it being known.....i dont hide behind a sock puppet

 

And just to add i put notes or Sba's on 50 or so other caches today to.....

Jon - are you saying you are "School Prefect"? In which case "i dont hide behind a sock puppet" seems a bit rich, since it clearly is just such an account. Why not post SBAs under TDW instead? As others have said, a "self-appointed Prefect" has connotations that is guaranteed to upset cache owners...

 

I believe Jon has been posting NM and NA logs under his own name......including at least one of mine. I very much doubt, therefore, that he's hidden behind a sock to post other logs - and see nothing wrong with what he is doing either. And experiencing first hand the reaction some COs have to people daring to question their own caches, I can also fully understand why some people would choose to use a sock account too.

 

jon wouldn't see any reason to hide his actions

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LET ME SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT AND LEAVE NOBODY IN ANY DOUBT........Ive ALWAYS posted in my name and my name ONLY...unlike some on here who dont have the bollocks on them to post openly. I dont take kindly to being accused of being a sock puppet and would have hoped people who know me would know better.

:ph34r:

Sorry - my misinterpretation of "I put the note on your cache" - you obviously meant the subsequent poster rather than the original. Apologies.

 

So who is the "School Prefect"?? :ph34r:

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"School Prefect" posted on a cache I have on a watchlist.

Seems the log was deleted after the reviewer posted...

 

Maybe more cachers should post Needs Maintenance and Should Be Archived, so that it not seen as 'Cache Police'?

 

(Maybe it should have a ? "Should Be Archived?" Rather than "Should Be Archived!"

 

The log that is used is called "Needs Archived" which sounds a harsh and rather demanding statement (and it's also ungrammatical :ph34r: ). For some while I've felt that it would sound better if it was re-branded and re-launched as 'Needs Reviewer's Attention' - a NRA log. Perhaps such a change would encourage cachers to use it correctly and those on the receiving end of such a log wouldn't smart quite so badly?

 

MrsB

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"School Prefect" posted on a cache I have on a watchlist.

Seems the log was deleted after the reviewer posted...

 

Maybe more cachers should post Needs Maintenance and Should Be Archived, so that it not seen as 'Cache Police'?

 

(Maybe it should have a ? "Should Be Archived?" Rather than "Should Be Archived!"

 

The log that is used is called "Needs Archived" which sounds a harsh and rather demanding statement (and it's also ungrammatical :ph34r: ). For some while I've felt that it would sound better if it was re-branded and re-launched as 'Needs Reviewer's Attention' - a NRA log. Perhaps such a change would encourage cachers to use it correctly and those on the receiving end of such a log wouldn't smart quite so badly?

 

MrsB

Agreed!

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One of my caches had been off line for five months ( bad form i know ) but a needs maintenances note was placed on the page by the school prefect, so I checked up on the cacher only to find the cacher in question had no finds, no hides……..

 

No e-mail was sent to me asking why it had been offline so long, just the note.

 

Do we have a new reviewer or a vigilante, or just a school bulley?

 

I don't see why a cacher should email someone when a cache has been off line for so long surely its up to the owner to put a note on the cache page explaining why its still disabled and keep other cachers informed and it is as you rightly say " bad form" so you shouldn't be surprised when someone logs a needs maintenace regardless of how many finds they have.

I have just logged a needs archiving on a cache disabled for 6 months maintain them or archive them but don't leave them sitting around disabled its really annoying when you are off caching somewhere only to find 3 or 4 caches disabled and then return to the area a couple of months later only to fnd them still disabled I think there should be a time limit if not maintained within 3 months archive it

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Sometimes a malicious (person) will post a "needs archived" notice on a cache which he hasn't actually visited.

 

I've had that happen to one of my caches, once.

What does it matter whether the person who puts a note on a cache has visited or not ??????. I place notes on caches usually when planning a caching mission,sometimes a 'needs maintainance' and sometimes a 'needs archived' when its very apparant the owners taken no action to care for his/her caches.I shall continue to place such notes as well even if you think im (I quote) 'a malicious ar##hole '.

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Sometimes a malicious (person) will post a "needs archived" notice on a cache which he hasn't actually visited.

 

I've had that happen to one of my caches, once.

 

Nothing malicious about it at all and I think to use the term [deleted by moderator and substituted in (person)] is rather over the top.

 

Like TDW I always plan ahead and if the area I intend to visit and cache in has caches that have been disabled for a long period (for me over 12 weeks is a long time) and no explanation note has been posted in the meantime, then I often send an email to 'jog' somebody's memory and if that fails it's got to be a NA log. I have tried just posting notes (in fact the last time I posted a not I got quite an abusive email sent to me). So now it will be an email and then a 'Needs Maintenance' posting if I get no response.

As people keep saying, if you want to place a cache keep it maintained.

If you can't get to it for a while at least post a not explaining why.

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The log that is used is called "Needs Archived" which sounds a harsh and rather demanding statement (and it's also ungrammatical :huh: ).

...that's except for viewers in Scotland, where the "needs done" construct may be used in polite society without fear of embarrassment. I'm guessing the same might be true of (parts of?) the US, but I don't know for sure.

 

(But yes, perhaps a less abrupt phrasing would be helpful, which I realise was your main point...)

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Sometimes a malicious (person) will post a "needs archived" notice on a cache which he hasn't actually visited.

 

I've had that happen to one of my caches, once.

 

Just as you think the past is in the past, you go and rear your ugly head again!!

 

That is the second time you have referred to me in such a way in an open forum, I think the only person around here that is malicious or even vindictive is yourself!! :lol::lol:

 

For those that are wondering, he is referring to this cache, he has deleted his log that disabled it and also requested for those that found it to delete their finds. You just need to read the comments from Groundspeak to see that he is a problem child within the community!!

 

I also posted a similar log on one of his adopted caches on the same day, you can see it here.

 

Just like TDW I am not afraid to let people see who made the log. But it's due to members like The Forester that you end up with sock puppet accounts being used to report caches.

 

Edit to add a link to a topic on the GeoX forum which is all about the cache in mention.

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Sometimes a malicious (person) will post a "needs archived" notice on a cache which he hasn't actually visited.

 

I've had that happen to one of my caches, once.

been there, done that, frequently.

 

As I've pointed out many times in the past, if a cache is long-term disabled, then it often gets overlooked, as the locals will probably have done it and forgotten about it (unless they have good reason for watching it) and travellers will not know it is there if they search for active caches. That just leaves folks who have the time, patience, and ability to notice long-term disabled caches and do something about it.

 

Oh, and like HH and TDW, all in my own name.

 

Cheers

 

Dave

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Sometimes a malicious (person) will post a "needs archived" notice on a cache which he hasn't actually visited.

 

I've had that happen to one of my caches, once.

been there, done that, frequently.

 

As I've pointed out many times in the past, if a cache is long-term disabled, then it often gets overlooked, as the locals will probably have done it and forgotten about it (unless they have good reason for watching it) and travellers will not know it is there if they search for active caches. That just leaves folks who have the time, patience, and ability to notice long-term disabled caches and do something about it.

 

Oh, and like HH and TDW, all in my own name.

 

Cheers

 

Dave

 

*Raises hand*

 

Yes, been there, done that too.

 

Not "frequently" but a few times. (In circumstances as suggested by PP's post, when there has been no response from the cache owner to DNFs and NM posts.)

 

I'm happy to put a NA post to bring such a cache to the attention of a reviewer. That's all I'm doing - saying, "Please look at this cache situation and see what you think. I think it might need archiving."

 

MrsB

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Sometimes a malicious (person) will post a "needs archived" notice on a cache which he hasn't actually visited.

The guidelines state that personal attacks and profanity are not allowed.

So what do you intend doing about it eh ? Personal insults have been made

As far as I could tell, Forester's posting, whilst being a bit err... colourful... made no attack against any particular person.... just some totally anonymous 'malicious individual'. So... how does the personal attack stuff apply?

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