+MacArthure Rowe Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I've been collecting various containers and tend to buy my geocache making supplies in bulk. I'm also interested in encouraging more hides in my area. So I'd like to hide a "Cache Supply Cache". My plan is to place a 45 gal. drum filled with containers, blank logs, stash notes, pencils, cammo tape, etc. I am considering locking it and hiding the key close by as part of the find requirements. What I'm trying to figure out is how to limit this cache to people who have already hidden at least five caches. Does anyone know of a way to make this part of the requirements short of me doing the research? Would it even be a righteous hide with a requirement like this? Any ideas would be appreciated! Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 What I'm trying to figure out is how to limit this cache to people who have already hidden at least five caches. Does anyone know of a way to make this part of the requirements short of me doing the research? Would it even be a righteous hide with a requirement like this? You can't. ALRs are disallowed. You can, however, make it premium member only. Depending on the people in your area, this might work well, or it might be a nightmare. Why not oragnize an event and share the supplies? Tell people they can bring surplus supplies to trade. Quote Link to comment
Keystone Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 ALR stands for Additional Logging Requirements, a topic covered in the current listing guidelines. You cannot restrict your cache to finders who have X or more hidden caches. Also, in a cache like this one, you cannot require that people hide one of the caches in order to get credit for finding the cache. Even a strongly worded suggestion is likely to hold up publication. Not every person wants to, or should, hide a cache. Some may wish to just locate the container and sign the logbook. All those "you cannots" and "don'ts" aside, your cache idea is a good one and your community will be grateful for the cache materials. Thanks in advance for the effort. Quote Link to comment
+MacArthure Rowe Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 ALR stands for Additional Logging Requirements, a topic covered in the current listing guidelines. You cannot restrict your cache to finders who have X or more hidden caches. I came across "ALRs" just after posting this question. Thanks, though. It's been suggested that I make the cache "members only" but I don't necessarily want to put that kind of restriction on it. Perhaps there is another way via a mystery cache "exam" of geocache placing rules (ALRs sounds like a good one!) that would achieve more or less the same thing - which is to reward local hiders. Those that don't know the rules by heart could become good hiders by doing the research... Thanks again! Time for some plotting... Quote Link to comment
+Chrysalides Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Perhaps there is another way via a mystery cache "exam" of geocache placing rules (ALRs sounds like a good one!) that would achieve more or less the same thing - which is to reward local hiders. Those that don't know the rules by heart could become good hiders by doing the research... Hey, that's a pretty good idea! Downside is that some people filter out all mystery / puzzle caches. Quote Link to comment
Andronicus Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 I have seen lots of "exam" puzzle caches about verious topics (James Brown, Jack Russle terriers, retired sports players etc). Never thought of the Groundspeak guidlines. Sounds cool. Quote Link to comment
Clan Riffster Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Yup! Way kewl! Quote Link to comment
+HouseOfDragons Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 It will be empty within a fortnight. Quote Link to comment
+MacArthure Rowe Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 It will be empty within a fortnight. I suppose that wouldn't be a bad thing if it means all those containers will become new caches that I can find! Then again, I hope people don't stock up on tool boxes/screw and nail containers here! But that touches on a fear I have as well - and why I want to limit this cache a little. Another question - if I put a padlock on the container and placed the key in a film canister, can I get each finder to re-hide the key in a different place and post the coordinates in their log? Or would that fall under ALR as well? Quote Link to comment
+Team Noodles Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) It will be empty within a fortnight. I suppose that wouldn't be a bad thing if it means all those containers will become new caches that I can find! Then again, I hope people don't stock up on tool boxes/screw and nail containers here! But that touches on a fear I have as well - and why I want to limit this cache a little. Another question - if I put a padlock on the container and placed the key in a film canister, can I get each finder to re-hide the key in a different place and post the coordinates in their log? Or would that fall under ALR as well? yes Why don't you make the big cache a mystery cache? lets say the bonus cache for a series of 5-10 caches?? That way you ensure people have said x amount of finds? Make sure some of those hides are sneaky ones, and I'd say anyone finding the bonus cache has passed the caching exam eh? **quick edit - This is for HoD in case she follows the topic: no, no you cannot use this idea!! Your hides are sneaky enough as it is! Edited November 11, 2009 by Ryuchan Quote Link to comment
+wimseyguy Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) Another question - if I put a padlock on the container and placed the key in a film canister, can I get each finder to re-hide the key in a different place and post the coordinates in their log? Or would that fall under ALR as well? No, not an ALR. But it would fall under the prohibition of traveling caches. Maybe you should work on that guideline exam first? What might work with your friendly local reviewer is to have 3-4 specific locations as the options for the movement of the film can. A specific length of guard rail, or the posted coords between 4 lampposts. I don't find these types of moving but on a short leash caches terribly innovative or interesting, but they might comply with the guidelines. BTW the initial idea to hide a ginormous cache full of supplies is awesome and very generous of you. Edited November 11, 2009 by wimseyguy Quote Link to comment
+Touchstone Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 What might work with your friendly local reviewer is to have 3-4 specific locations as the options for the movement of the film can. That's what I would suggest trying to submit. You'd have to include the Additional Waypoints for all the alternative spots as well. On the other hand, you could dispense with the key entirely and make it a REAL challenge Quote Link to comment
+Ambrosia Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Instead of using a key, which can be lost, use a numbered padlock. The number could be incorporated into the puzzle, or it could just be posted on the cache page (this could make the cache a Puzzle/Mystery by itself), so that people know what the number is and there's no key to lose. Quote Link to comment
+HouseOfDragons Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 (edited) **quick edit - This is for HoD in case she follows the topic: no, no you cannot use this idea!! Your hides are sneaky enough as it is! Sneaky??!! I prefer the word "cunning" There isn't really a problem with it being empty within a fortnight if that's because lots of people have taken one thing rather than a few being greedy and taking bagfulls of stuff. Were you planning to encourage people to trade with other caching supplies though? Edited November 11, 2009 by HouseOfDragons Quote Link to comment
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