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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

 

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

 

Anything that you can find left behind in a phone booth, or on a park bench, or a bus stop, is not of value.

 

In all honesty, if one thinks they are doing gawds work by cowardly leaving pamphlets all over, they are not. The bible asks that followers of Jesus spread the word. It is meant that the word should be spread personally, not passively. Dropping pamphlets is not what the bible said to do.

 

Spread the word, sure. Litter or harass, no.

 

Value in a pamphlet? Don't be ridiculous. It's not swag, it's advertising.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

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I think the main issue is one of tolerance. Tolerance is something that is sorely lacking in society these days. And unfortunately, I often find that those who consider themselves the most tolerant of others are often the least tolerant in the way they behave toward others. And they don't even realize their own intolerance! B)

 

I like this quote a lot:

"The test of courage comes when we are in the minority. The test of tolerance comes when we are in the majority."

Ralph Washington Sockman

 

Nice post. However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress. So people need to be tolerant of others' intolerance and work with them. If you push people they will only dig in deeper. That's human nature...

 

"However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress."

 

Nice catch phrase. Unfortunately for those so inclined, it all too often provides a place to find comfort and cover in their prejudices and/or bigotry.

 

I can't say for sure how TrailGators intended their post, but in reading it - I was reminded to look to my own heart and/or soul and consider how the word tolerance related to me and the people I come in contact with.

 

You can't control the behavior of others. You can only control your own behavior and the way that you REACT to others and - most importantly - lead by example.

 

"You can't control the behavior of others." That of course depends upon exactly which behaviors you are wanting to control.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

Which is why we are encouraged to trade up or even for equal value, not cost.

 

When I take out a pamphlet/flier/tract I assure you, what I put in is at least of equal value.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

 

I got it!! So I can leave a religious tract if I stamp my ID on it and turn it into a signature item!! Thanks for the idea! :)

 

Just kidding - I am not planning to do this. B)

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

 

I got it!! So I can leave a religious tract if I stamp my ID on it and turn it into a signature item!! Thanks for the idea! :)

 

Just kidding - I am not planning to do this. B)

 

Even better idea: Religious Tract TB. The mission could be one of several:

 

- Spread the love

- Spread the hate

- Convert sinners

 

... take your pick :)

 

Seriously though, religious tract TB does sound cool, I might even do it if I happen to pick up a tract anytime in the future.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

 

I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....
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Nice post. However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress. So people need to be tolerant of others' intolerance and work with them. If you push people they will only dig in deeper. That's human nature...
"However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress."

 

Nice catch phrase. Unfortunately for those so inclined, it all too often provides a place to find comfort and cover in their prejudices and/or bigotry.

Coming from someone who claims material they find in a geocache that they don't agree with is "gone", this statement seems awfully hypocritical.
I find that stuff in a geocache, it is gone.

 

I won't seek opinion, permission or approval in advance.

Seems like you're expressing an extreme prejudice, to me.

 

I personally am embarrassed as a Christian to be associated with tracts, but unless it's not family friendly (and most tracts are) it can stay IMHO. That is, of course, unless it is wet/moldy/mangled/etc. In which case, out it comes. Also, if I bothered to read a tract & thought the images or ideas would disturb kids (ie the "Your Gay Parents are Going to Hell" type tract) I would take it out, just like I'd take out weapons, controlled substances, or porn. I've not seen such a tract myself, though. I have found knives and beer. All came away with me. (I did trade for the knives...) I think more people would be upset about their kid coming across a can of Bud or a great big Bowie Knife than a tract, so why don't we see more threads about that? I think this speaks volumes toward the mindset of those vocal complainers like the OP.

 

My biggest problem with tracts is that most will, inevitably, become wet/moldy/mangled/etc., just like anything made of paper that gets left loose in a cache. When this happens, I think flask was wrong.

 

It doesn't make good toilet paper at all.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

 

I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....

 

Nobody? Everybody? Really? How can you know that?

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Nice post. However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress. So people need to be tolerant of others' intolerance and work with them. If you push people they will only dig in deeper. That's human nature...
"However, for most people building tolerance is a work in progress."

 

Nice catch phrase. Unfortunately for those so inclined, it all too often provides a place to find comfort and cover in their prejudices and/or bigotry.

Coming from someone who claims material they find in a geocache that they don't agree with is "gone", this statement seems awfully hypocritical.
I find that stuff in a geocache, it is gone.

 

I won't seek opinion, permission or approval in advance.

Seems like you're expressing an extreme prejudice, to me.

 

I personally am embarrassed as a Christian to be associated with tracts, but unless it's not family friendly (and most tracts are) it can stay IMHO. That is, of course, unless it is wet/moldy/mangled/etc. In which case, out it comes. Also, if I bothered to read a tract & thought the images or ideas would disturb kids (ie the "Your Gay Parents are Going to Hell" type tract) I would take it out, just like I'd take out weapons, controlled substances, or porn. I've not seen such a tract myself, though. I have found knives and beer. All came away with me. (I did trade for the knives...) I think more people would be upset about their kid coming across a can of Bud or a great big Bowie Knife than a tract, so why don't we see more threads about that? I think this speaks volumes toward the mindset of those vocal complainers like the OP.

 

My biggest problem with tracts is that most will, inevitably, become wet/moldy/mangled/etc., just like anything made of paper that gets left loose in a cache. When this happens, I think flask was wrong.

 

It doesn't make good toilet paper at all.

 

You know what? I haven't used the words 'toilet paper'.

 

I have used these words: "I find that stuff in a geocache, it is gone.

 

I won't seek opinion, permission or approval in advance."

 

And I just used them again and I am still as serious as when originally used. That is not going to change.

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"It is my contention that it takes as much faith to disbelieve as it does to believe."

 

"Those that refuse to believe in God don't have a problem with belief, rather it is their lack of willingness to accept information that challenges long-held positions. While such people can see strong evidence supporting the Bible, they cannot bring themselves to accept the inevitable conclusion because they would have to abandon their previously held agnostic position to which they are emotionally and intellectualy committed. In other words, the problem is that they can not believe the evidence pointing to the Bible's divine inspiration, no matter how powerfully the evidence points to the authorship of the Scriptures by God Himself." (Grant R. Jeffrey, The Signature of God,) [1996])

 

 

On topic...

I don't know why religious people need to convert people in order to keep their faith. If you believe in a diety, why do you need to get others to believe in the deity? Is your belief not strong enough so you need to get other people to believe with you? Why spread the deity specific literature? Does that make the diety more real?

What's the point?

 

 

I am not intending to preach but simply to answer your (I believe) honest question. The Bible says in many places that believers should go into the world to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ in an effort to help others become saved in order to be able to go to Heaven when they die or when the rapture comes.

 

Here is one example http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?searc...amp;version=NIV

 

In Christianity, we are taught that this is our job, not to help ourselves become more secure in our beliefs, but because we believe that Jesus wishes fo rus to help save others' souls through Prophesy.

 

For the record, I have always had a religious mother, but didn't always go to church regularly. I used to be annoyed by religious tracts left on my door or mailbox. Now that I understand the meaning behind it, I understand why people do it. They believe in their hearts that they are helping others. Now they don't annoy me anymore, even when they are from religions that I don't agree with.

 

Spreading the word of God's love is great. I actually enjoy going to the park with other Church Members to feed the homeless. They don't seem to mind the message about God's love.

 

I found a religious tract today in the W. Branch Farmington River- Steel Bridge cache at N 42° 04.225 W 073° 03.724.

 

Geocaching is not a religious forum and religious propaganda does not belong in a cache. Some of us find this material offensive. If you insist on propagandizing, at least take credit for your actions and put your name on your material so that the rest of us will know who the offending cachers are.

 

The tracks are considered swag, correct? And the only way to get swag out of a cache is to trade up or even with it, correct? Who's the person who decides the worth of all the different swag? Each person is in charge of deciding right? So Christians, (only using them (us) as an example) believe that the greatest gift EVER is the gift of Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the cross. Dying for our sins so that we can have salvation. We believe there is nothing worth more then this. We don't tell people about Christ because we have to in order to be worthy of Christs gift (for which we're not), we do it because we care. Because we too wish that no one should perish. We do it out of love. Believe it or not, many people have come to know the Lord and to accept His gift by reading those small peaces of paper. One persons trash is another persons treasure, right? If there is a item of swag that you don't deam worth anything, think twice before removing it, it may be worth a lot more to someone else. I myself also don't care for golf balls, but I don't get rid of them because I don't like them, I know eventually another person will come along who will appreciate it.

 

I am a Christian, and it's part of who I am. MY beliefs come out in my every day life, they help guide me and influence me. I don't want to give up who I am to take part in this game of geocaching. Would it not be a similar debate about someone who is a vegetarian because of their beliefs in how it's wrong to hurt animals. What do they think when they come to a cache full of fishing gear? That would go against their beliefs right? How would you all feel if you found out they were trashing all those lures and hand tied flys? That stuff is pretty valuable swag to some of you I bet (myself included). Just because some of you wish to deny Christ, don't deny someone elses chances of knowing Him.

 

I myself leave it up to the cache Owner to clean and maintain their own cache. If they feel a particular item is trash then that's their right as the owner to through it out. Also, FYI I don't leave tracks in caches and I never have. I haven't ment to offend anyone here, just give you a little insite as what some Christians may be thinking when they leave those little pieces of paper. Hope all is well with you all, God Bless and Happy Caching:O)

 

Keep your head up high K N D B)

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"Those that refuse to believe in God don't have a problem with belief, rather it is their lack of willingness to accept information that challenges long-held positions.

 

This is absolutely false for me. I once believed and was willing to accept the information that "challenged" my previously held position.

 

Then some people who claimed that they knew THE ONLY WAY and who then turned around and acted in the very antithesis of Jesus' message again "challenged" my previously held position and my belief system again changed.

 

I find this quote you posted to be very much in line with the way those people who claimed to know THE ONLY WAY spoke and acted, BTW.

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You know what? I haven't used the words 'toilet paper'.
Actually, right there, you did. That's beside the point, though. My point involving TP was that I see little value of an item in a cache that will end up a pile of goo.
I have used these words: "I find that stuff in a geocache, it is gone.

 

I won't seek opinion, permission or approval in advance."

 

And I just used them again and I am still as serious as when originally used. That is not going to change.

With the highlighted portion in mind, I'd like to amend my previous statement:

 

"Coming from someone who claims material they find in a geocache that they don't agree with is "gone", this statement seems blindly hypocritical."

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"Those that refuse to believe in God don't have a problem with belief, rather it is their lack of willingness to accept information that challenges long-held positions. While such people can see strong evidence supporting the Bible, they cannot bring themselves to accept the inevitable conclusion because they would have to abandon their previously held agnostic position to which they are emotionally and intellectualy committed. In other words, the problem is that they can not believe the evidence pointing to the Bible's divine inspiration, no matter how powerfully the evidence points to the authorship of the Scriptures by God Himself." (Grant R. Jeffrey, The Signature of God,) [1996])

Quoting someone doesn't make it fact. I don't see any "inevitable conclusion". May I also point out that throughout history, it is the church that consistently held on to their previously held position and refused to budge, imprisoning, torturing and killing many for believing, or merely suspecting they believe, otherwise?

 

I would also recommend you read the book Jesus, Interrupted by Bart Erhman.

Spreading the word of God's love is great. I actually enjoy going to the park with other Church Members to feed the homeless. They don't seem to mind the message wbout God's love.

The alternative being hunger? Right... Tell you what. Have two groups, everything exactly the same, one group preaching God's love, and the other just serving food. See which one has the bigger crowd.

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You know what? I haven't used the words 'toilet paper'.

 

 

no, but i have.

 

i'm thinking that if more people used them as toilet paper (or said they used them as toilet paper), perhaps the problem might solve itself.

 

related to a different part of the discussion:

 

i wish i could remember exactly where these logs were so i could link you to them, but i went to some caches where a lovely couple signing in before me noted that they took some item (regular cache swag) and left in return the "coordinates to the REAL treasure", which was a cheap and inflammatory tract.

 

as if it's not bad enough to leave these things, they considered them to be worth taking something in trade?

 

oy.

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The alternative being hunger? Right... Tell you what. Have two groups, everything exactly the same, one group preaching God's love, and the other just serving food. See which one has the bigger crowd.

 

yep. people on the receiving end consider it to be "paying the bill". they recognize it as strings attached, which it is.

 

the better example would be to just serve the food without requiring people to sit through the advertising.

 

to give without expecting preaches a good deal more effectively.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

 

I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....

 

Nobody? Everybody? Really? How can you know that?

Because I don't see endless threads bitching about them...
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]I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....

 

Nobody? Everybody? Really? How can you know that?

Because I don't see endless threads bitching about them...

 

1. You aren't looking very hard.

2. Cachers that use these forums do not constitute "everybody", much less all cachers.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

 

I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....

 

If by "nobody seems to mind" you actually mean "some people seem to mind" and by "everyone just ignores them" you mean "some people just ignore them", then, yes... I agree with you. Otherwise, I'd have to say that you are full of it.

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The tracks are considered swag, correct?

INCORRECT!

 

Tracts are nothing but advertisements. They are worth (financially speaking) less than the paper they are printed on.

You are confusing cost and value...

 

As far as advertising, I see business cards and coupons in caches all the time. Just saying....

 

You just proved his point. Business cards are not swag, they are more like a sig item...if even that. Just because you see them in caches doesn't make them of any intrinsic value, regardless of whatever cost is associated with them.

 

I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....

 

If by "nobody seems to mind" you actually mean "some people seem to mind" and by "everyone just ignores them" you mean "some people just ignore them", then, yes... I agree with you. Otherwise, I'd have to say that you are full of it.

Let's not nitpick. I meant everyone that I have cached with. I'm speaking from my own personal experience. I honestly have never seen anyone get bent out of shape over a tract while out caching. However, I have never seen a hell and damnation tract, so I can't comment on those. But I already said that I would pitch one, if I ever found one in a cache.
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I am fairly certain there are many families who are nudists. :rolleyes: Plus, I would expect that valid literature regarding a nudist camp would not have provacative images.

I find that stuff in a geocache, it is gone.

 

I won't seek opinion, permission or approval in advance.

That's interesting. What's your position on naked torsos with sexually suggestive one-word captions?

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If the cache is on a churches property (with permission and all that jazz) I see it as perfectly exceptable, but like said before I see it also as advertising otherwise., besides its supposed to be for all ages, and I believe you shouldn't promote religion to children......that's the parents responsibility, not all cashers are christian, or jewish, or muslim, or catholic, or wiccan, or buddhist, or native american, or pagan, or, or, or, so unless its on religious property leave it out

 

 

Not all cachers are good spellers, either.

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"Those that refuse to believe in God don't have a problem with belief, rather it is their lack of willingness to accept information that challenges long-held positions. While such people can see strong evidence supporting the Bible, they cannot bring themselves to accept the inevitable conclusion because they would have to abandon their previously held agnostic position to which they are emotionally and intellectualy committed. In other words, the problem is that they can not believe the evidence pointing to the Bible's divine inspiration, no matter how powerfully the evidence points to the authorship of the Scriptures by God Himself." (Grant R. Jeffrey, The Signature of God,) [1996])

Quoting someone doesn't make it fact. I don't see any "inevitable conclusion".

 

May I also point out that throughout history, it is the church that consistently held on to their previously held position and refused to budge, imprisoning, torturing and killing many for believing, or merely suspecting they believe, otherwise?

I would also recommend you read the book Jesus, Interrupted by Bart Erhman.

 

Are you referring to the Church of England, Islam, or the Catholics (who killed far more people than any non Denominational Christians have)? You'll need to read the rest of the book, or any of Lee Strobel's books.

 

 

 

Spreading the word of God's love is great. I actually enjoy going to the park with other Church Members to feed the homeless. They don't seem to mind the message about God's love.

 

The alternative being hunger? Right... Tell you what. Have two groups, everything exactly the same, one group preaching God's love, and the other just serving food. See which one has the bigger crowd.

 

I don't see many non Christian groups out feeding the homeless, in fact i've never seen a non christian group feeding the homeless in my area. Here is an interesting article for you. http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel...ives_to_charity

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The alternative being hunger? Right... Tell you what. Have two groups, everything exactly the same, one group preaching God's love, and the other just serving food. See which one has the bigger crowd.

 

yep. people on the receiving end consider it to be "paying the bill". they recognize it as strings attached, which it is.

 

the better example would be to just serve the food without requiring people to sit through the advertising.

 

to give without expecting preaches a good deal more effectively.

 

We don't preach the whole time, contrary to what everyone assumes. It is a simple, "thanks for coming, and, God and his people love you."

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"Those that refuse to believe in God don't have a problem with belief, rather it is their lack of willingness to accept information that challenges long-held positions.

 

This is absolutely false for me. I once believed and was willing to accept the information that "challenged" my previously held position.

 

Then some people who claimed that they knew THE ONLY WAY and who then turned around and acted in the very antithesis of Jesus' message again "challenged" my previously held position and my belief system again changed.

 

I find this quote you posted to be very much in line with the way those people who claimed to know THE ONLY WAY spoke and acted, BTW.

 

That is common nature and proof of man's wickedness. There is a good song and teachable moment that addresses the issue of Moral Failure. Watch the video if you're interested.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/CastingCrowns#...h/0/n-8SYA6rfbs

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So, since my biggest problem with the logistics of tracts also covers anything paper in a cache, I've started a thread to talk about it so that those of us who wish to complain about mushy paper have a quite place to do so without having to worry about zealots, religious or atheist.

 

A personal story about tracts: I'll never forget going to the fair and seeing a booth set up by one of the local churches. They had a puppet show, or something. They were handing out these tracts. I remember after being handed one of them feeling really pretty queasy. As I thought about it, I was worried that this queasiness meant that I was lacking in my own faith in some way. After further thought, I realized that I was simply embarrassed to realize that some people who knew I'm a Christian, would lump me into the same category as the people who wrote & passed out these little chintzy slips of paper.

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We don't preach the whole time, contrary to what everyone assumes. It is a simple, "thanks for coming, and, God and his people love you."

That's not preaching.

 

I guess you can call it "sharing the love of Christ, with others whom are less fortunate. We don't go to the park to "convert people," we go to share food and experiences together.

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I don't see many non Christian groups out feeding the homeless, in fact i've never seen a non christian group feeding the homeless in my area.

 

There are a lot of groups that are non Christians that feed the homeless, what about all the people who donate to food banks, gleaners food bank is a non for profit group in my area, they are not even affiliated with any religion and they feed tons and tons of people. In some religions it is sinful to stand up and say "I am good because I....(fill in the blank)" Don't boast, just do it.

 

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I never said they were swag. I said they were advertising. Anyhow, the point was that they were in caches and nobody seems to mind because everyone just ignores them....

 

If nobody minded, this forum thread wouldn't be up to seven pages already....

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I don't see many non Christian groups out feeding the homeless, in fact i've never seen a non christian group feeding the homeless in my area.

 

There are a lot of groups that are non Christians that feed the homeless, what about all the people who donate to food banks, gleaners food bank is a non for profit group in my area, they are not even affiliated with any religion and they feed tons and tons of people. In some religions it is sinful to stand up and say "I am good because I....(fill in the blank)" Don't boast, just do it.

 

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I wasn't being boastful nor was I looking for adulation. Being boastful and filled with pride is contrary to what my bible and my church teach. I look at it as giving in God's name, not for notoriety.

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<quote from Kit Fox>

 

"It is my contention that it takes as much faith to disbelieve as it does to believe."

 

"Those that refuse to believe in God don't have a problem with belief, rather it is their lack of willingness to accept information that challenges long-held positions. While such people can see strong evidence supporting the Bible, they cannot bring themselves to accept the inevitable conclusion because they would have to abandon their previously held agnostic position to which they are emotionally and intellectualy committed. In other words, the problem is that they can not believe the evidence pointing to the Bible's divine inspiration, no matter how powerfully the evidence points to the authorship of the Scriptures by God Himself." (Grant R. Jeffrey, The Signature of God,) [1996])

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this is not about believing or not believing.

 

This is about not wanting this stuff in caches.

 

Believing or not believing is totally off topic, and not the subject here. Many believers here agree that geocaching should be neutral grounds. in other words, everyone is welcome and shouldn't have to deal with this advertising in the caches.

 

If we start seeing all religions wanting equal advertising in caches we're going to have a really big problem on our hands.

 

As someone said eariler, and it bears repeating,

Christians may have a need to do this, but we have needs for many things.

One of which is to relieve ourselves.

Relieving ourselves in caches is an inappropriate place to take care of this need.

 

Putting advertising (including advertising Christen living) is not appropriate in caches.

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I was finding caches for four years before I found Jesus...

 

That must have been a very large cache.

 

Naw. Jesús is my caching partner. We've been caching together more than five years. Though, that's not his screen name. We still do want to put a micro under the bench near his bank, and call it "Jesús Saves." Be that as it may.

I did find religious information in one of my caches Monday (went to grab a TB). Only three finds, so I have a petty good idea who left it. Not a 'religious tract'. A paperback book. Looked more philosophical. So I decided to leave it. It's a pretty spot to sit and ponder.

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I am going to get some business cards that simply say

 

"I traded this for a religious tract"

 

So I can trade fair value.

 

Oh come on, at least put some effort into it.. I'd expect to see a bittsen tract with a little moral story and call to the reader to change their ways - that would be an equal trade, and more fun to read.

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I am going to get some business cards that simply say

 

"I traded this for a religious tract"

 

So I can trade fair value.

 

Naw, I'm going to swap out the religious tract, for Sweet Potato Tract." "The Dammed who eat Sweet Potatoes." Or "The Sinning anti-Sweet Potatoists." Which ever side I feel like handing out at the time.

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I am going to get some business cards that simply say

 

"I traded this for a religious tract"

 

So I can trade fair value.

 

Oh come on, at least put some effort into it.. I'd expect to see a bittsen tract with a little moral story and call to the reader to change their ways - that would be an equal trade, and more fun to read.

 

To do that would imply that the religious tract had some value to begin with.

 

All could learn by my guide of what is morally correct. If Jesus was alive today, he would follow MY teachings.!

 

</sarcasm>

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I don't see many non Christian groups out feeding the homeless, in fact i've never seen a non christian group feeding the homeless in my area.

 

There are a lot of groups that are non Christians that feed the homeless, what about all the people who donate to food banks, gleaners food bank is a non for profit group in my area, they are not even affiliated with any religion and they feed tons and tons of people. In some religions it is sinful to stand up and say "I am good because I....(fill in the blank)" Don't boast, just do it.

 

Edit:spelling

 

Right. There must be 10,000 non-religon based food banks in this country, I do not know for certain of course, any more than the next person. I do know that there are one heck of a lot of 'em.

 

What's the point any way? Are those religous run food banks doing it because it is right and necessary or because they have some alterior motivation beyond the goodness of their heart? You know, like the rest of caring and sharing society.

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I am going to get some business cards that simply say

 

"I traded this for a religious tract"

 

So I can trade fair value.

 

Oh come on, at least put some effort into it.. I'd expect to see a bittsen tract with a little moral story and call to the reader to change their ways - that would be an equal trade, and more fun to read.

 

To do that would imply that the religious tract had some value to begin with.

 

All could learn by my guide of what is morally correct. If Jesus was alive today, he would follow MY teachings.!

 

</sarcasm>

 

I surely hope your BVD's are fireproof. They are about to get the worst test known to man...

:rolleyes:

 

And I shall now go and fix a bag of popcorn and watch from afar. This will be all the entertainment I need for the whole evening.

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