foxtrot_xray Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 Guys, I forgot the census on this.. I went to make an easy recovery, to fin JV2203. The location of the station was recovered easily - the stem hole and round disk imprint was easily visible in the top of the headwall. FOr a vertical disk, would this be a destroyed, or recovered poor? I can't remember in this case. (I'll have pictures up tomorrow..) -Me. Quote Link to comment
+Black Dog Trackers Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 (edited) That situation could be logged as: Poor, if you are REALLY confident that that is the correct location AND the liklihood that there was a replacement, which was also beheaded, is very low. Not Found, if you are NOT REALLY confident that it can be no other than evidence of the station you're looking for. Never log destroyed on a diskless stem or obvious disk's hole, at least don't claim destroyed to the NGS. Edited October 25, 2009 by Black Dog Trackers Quote Link to comment
foxtrot_xray Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 I got that. For some reasons I thought it mattered (read: was handled differently) if it was a horizontal or vertical mark? (and I don't mena how it's mounted..) Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment
+Black Dog Trackers Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 foxtrot_xray - Good point. It is true that diskless stems and even stem-and-diskless holes are not as problematic if they are horizontal control. However, there was a case with several posts on it (pun not intended ) about a vertical control that was on a typical cement post mounting several inches high next to a railroad. The top half had been knocked off and was gone. Deb advised to log as found-poor anyway, even though it would be unknown how much height of the monumentation was gone. It was agreed that it was really really really Poor, but the conservative approach was what Deb advised. If somehow it was the wrong thing found, the finder's coordinates help lead a surveyor to the item to see and evaluate for himself. I can't find those posts on that one just now. Quote Link to comment
+Black Dog Trackers Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I found a collection of posts on this subject. The last one has the thing I was remembering (vaguely). Quote Link to comment
foxtrot_xray Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Cool, thanks BDT. I went ahead and posted it as a found here, and POOR to NGS (only because the previous loggers marked it as 'not found', when it IS obvious it's there. There's NOTHING there to mistake it for anything else.) I put up pictures on it, too. I'm willing to put $100 down that that WAS the station, so hence why I went ahead and logged it. There's no cement post that was cut in half, and I doubt the bridge has sunk enough to warrant an error. Quote Link to comment
Difficult Run Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I'm pretty sure that was the station, however there is something that troubles me about the description: JV2203'AT WARING, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, ON THE BALTIMORE AND OHIO RAILROAD, JV2203'450 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE PASSENGER PLATFORM AND WATER TOWER, JV2203'AT STONE BRIDGE 25-B OVER A CREEK, IN THE TOP OF THE NORTHEAST JV2203'CORNER, 9 FEET NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE NORTH-BOUND JV2203'TRACK, AND 6 INCHES BELOW THE LEVEL OF THE RAILS. A STANDARD JV2203'DISK, STAMPED P 34 1938. The photo you submitted shows a concrete bridge, not stone.Is it possible that the bridge has been replaced since 1938 and a reset placed there? (Just playing the Devil's Advocate in light of NGS Surveyor's recent thread). ~ Mitch ~ Quote Link to comment
foxtrot_xray Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 I'm pretty sure that was the station, however there is something that troubles me about the description: JV2203'AT WARING, MONTGOMERY COUNTY, ON THE BALTIMORE AND OHIO RAILROAD, JV2203'450 FEET SOUTHEAST OF THE PASSENGER PLATFORM AND WATER TOWER, JV2203'AT STONE BRIDGE 25-B OVER A CREEK, IN THE TOP OF THE NORTHEAST JV2203'CORNER, 9 FEET NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF THE NORTH-BOUND JV2203'TRACK, AND 6 INCHES BELOW THE LEVEL OF THE RAILS. A STANDARD JV2203'DISK, STAMPED P 34 1938. The photo you submitted shows a concrete bridge, not stone.Is it possible that the bridge has been replaced since 1938 and a reset placed there? (Just playing the Devil's Advocate in light of NGS Surveyor's recent thread). ~ Mitch ~ Ah, actually - that IS stone. Huge, huge granite blocks. You can't see the bottom edge of the top stone in that picture, it's just off the bottom of the picture. In fact, the granite block UNDER the one with the stone has a very legible 190x date engraved in it. (I'll run back this weekend and get a shot of the side - I meant to get one of the year engraved in it.) Gimme 'til Saturday night, I'll have a new angle phot of it. Quote Link to comment
Difficult Run Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 foxtrot_xray, My apologies. - It's difficult to see from the photo you posted, as the capstone appears to be a smooth and continuous slab. Looking forward to seeing the date on the bridge, as I always love to see these old structures still serving their intended purposes. ~ Mitch ~ Quote Link to comment
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