Someone is complaining...

October 6, 2009

Recently, a long term cacher in my state who had a lot of really good hides moved to another state. He asked me to adopt his caches. I agreed to this, and he sent the adoption requests.

Last weekend, mt GF and I took a 450 mile trip to go find all of these caches and maintain them. Most of this batch that I adopted, I had not previously found. I replaced some containers, every cache got a new log, and some of them got new rattle can camo. It was a 14 hour day, and we had a lot of fun.

After I got home, I took care of all the logging. First I logged a find for the ones I had never found before, then logged owner maintenance, then updated the cache page as needed.

Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count". I have no idea who this person is, and at this point am inclined to ignore them.

What do you think?

October 6, 2009

To be honest I would not have logged cached I now own after an adoption. After my two cents have been delivered, my next statement is WHO CARES. So what if you have a couple extra numbers. I would ignore these people there is little to nothing they can do about it. If you really wanted to you could send an EXTREMELY cordial email explaining your thinking and telling them you respect their opinion. To be honest, I would just ignore it.

October 6, 2009

I vote for ignoring them.

You found a cache you didn't hide, totally legit to log it as a find.

And you are contributing to the game by actively maintaining hides you feel are worthwhile to keep alive. Win for everybody.

4.8k · October 6, 2009

I don't see that you did anything wrong. Do you?

Ignore them or respond with a few links to the various forum discussions, especially the one recent one.

3.8k · October 6, 2009

I would just ignore them. This is just the reason that finds are allowed on your own caches.

7.7k · October 6, 2009

What do you think?

I think there's possibly more to the story. There usually is. But if just going by the facts you presented, I'd say ignore them. If they continue to harass you (assuming they sent you the e-mail through Groundspeak) report them to Groundspeak.

I'd clarify the situation in the log ("I adopted this cache etc etc") but that's up to you.

8.4k · October 6, 2009

What do you think?

Tell 'em to start a thread in the forums. :unsure:

1.7k · October 6, 2009

Tar and feathering never quite went out of style...

did it?

October 6, 2009

I guess I would edit the cache listings to say just what you said in your post here. You were asked to adopt all these caches for previous owner but first you went and found them all and after you found them you began maintaining them. I see no way anyone would bother complain-e-mailing someone for doing such a thing. It's great you took all these caches over and if someone has a problem.....as everyone else says, WHO CARES! hit the delete button and move on.

October 6, 2009

I think there's possibly more to the story.

I cannot imagine what more you think there is to the story. Now I'm curious.

October 6, 2009

Well, the cache pages of everyone of these caches say under hider name: Cowboy Singer...adopted by Okiebryan.

I figured that explained things sufficiently.

4.5k · October 6, 2009

What do you think?

I think you're crazy for adopting caches so far away,,, :blink: :unsure:

Really, if it was me, i would probably want to give that "accuser" a quick little heads up explanation. One email, nothing more, and if they still wanted to accuse you of somehow cheating, then ignore the heck out of em!

1k · October 6, 2009

I had done the same thing and posted in my log that I just adopted these but had to find to verify existance and to maintain.

7.7k · October 6, 2009

I think there's possibly more to the story.
I cannot imagine what more you think there is to the story. Now I'm curious.

I'm guessing there's some bad blood between you and the "vigilante". Without more info it is pointless for me to speculate, and besides, it will be irrelevant to this topic.

October 6, 2009

I think you're crazy for adopting caches so far away,,,

The 450 miles was the total miles needed to visit every one of the newly adopted caches. They were all within a 150 mile radius of my house. 150 miles is pretty much the limit of where I hide caches, anyway...so no biggie.

October 6, 2009

Well, the cache pages of everyone of these caches say under hider name: Cowboy Singer...adopted by Okiebryan.

I figured that explained things sufficiently.

It doesnt really tell the story of you not ever finding these caches before you started maintaing them....which would justify you logging the finds.

6.1k · October 6, 2009

Recently, a long term cacher in my state who had a lot of really good hides moved to another state. He asked me to adopt his caches. I agreed to this, and he sent the adoption requests.

Last weekend, mt GF and I took a 450 mile trip to go find all of these caches and maintain them. Most of this batch that I adopted, I had not previously found. I replaced some containers, every cache got a new log, and some of them got new rattle can camo. It was a 14 hour day, and we had a lot of fun.

After I got home, I took care of all the logging. First I logged a find for the ones I had never found before, then logged owner maintenance, then updated the cache page as needed.

Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count". I have no idea who this person is, and at this point am inclined to ignore them.

What do you think?

I find it very difficult to believe that someone would do that.

Perhaps they had a watch on the caches for some reason and noticed the find notes on top of owner maintenence and jumped to conclusions rather quickly, but it is still pretty much AROCCC behaviour.

(anal retentive obsessive compulsive cache cop)

Edited October 6, 2009 by 4wheelin_fool

October 6, 2009

i see absolutely nothing wrong with this, just ignore him

2.1k · October 6, 2009

What do you think?

Really, if it was me, i would probably want to give that "accuser" a quick little heads up explanation. One email, nothing more, and if they still wanted to accuse you of somehow cheating, then ignore the heck out of em!

I was looking to see if this was said.

If someone sent me an email like that I would simply and politely explain the adoption situation. That should cover it.

As to logging a find after adoption I can't see how anyone should have a problem with that. You didn't hide it, you didn't know where or how it was hidden, you didn't have any insider information. How could it possibly be a problem?

2.4k · October 6, 2009

You're cool - you found the caches you didn't place, sorted them out re maintenance issues and adopted them. "Finding" a cache you placed is what is considered bad form. Refer the complainer to this forum and then they'll see the light. As someone said earlier....who cares? You know what went on, I would compose a nice sweet short and to the point letter explaining that it is quite OK to get a smiley on a cache that you have not found before and then adopt it. In fact, I am sure someone will post a link before too long.

9.3k · October 6, 2009

There exists a small core group of cachers whose respect has a certain value to me. Enough so, that if something were to appear untoward in my caching activities, I would explain my actions to them. For the remaining 900 gazillion cachers out there, I would not waste my time or effort explaining myself when I did nothing wrong.

14k · October 6, 2009

I adopted the first cache I ever found. When I found and logged that cache I had no idea that I would ever have the opportunity to adopt it. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with the find log I posted on a cache that I know own. I also don't see any difference in what I did and finding and logging a cache that you know you will be taking ownership of in the near future.

6.7k · October 6, 2009

Tar and feathering never quite went out of style...

did it?

Yes it has gone out of style. Now days you need to find a more environmentally friendly adhesive. Honey should do the trick.

6.7k · October 6, 2009

In the unlikely event that I even acknowledged the emailers existence it would be with the sole purpose of telling them to mind their own business.

October 6, 2009

If you can sleep at night, thats all that matters.

October 6, 2009

Seems to me that if you took the time and out of pocket cost, fuel as well, to maintain these caches for the good of the sport, than Bozo the Magnificent should keep his/her mouth shut! I see no "infractions"here as you did not hide them. Cache count? So what! YOU EARNED IT!........'nuff said.

Thank you for your efforts.

10.2k · October 6, 2009

In the unlikely event that I even acknowledged the emailers existence it would be with the sole purpose of telling them to mind their own business.

I agree. But don't do it. Don't even dignify the allegations with a response. And don't post a rant on the cache pages or anything.

19k · October 6, 2009

A find of an unfound cache is a totally loggable find. That you now own it through adoption is irrelevant.

(why does this forum often remind me of a Dear Abby column?)

7.2k · October 6, 2009

If'n it were me, I'd reply, "Dude, found then owned. What wrong with that?"

4.5k · October 6, 2009

There exists a small core group of cachers whose respect has a certain value to me. Enough so, that if something were to appear untoward in my caching activities, I would explain my actions to them. For the remaining 900 gazillion cachers out there, I would not waste my time or effort explaining myself when I did nothing wrong.

This is my usual way of thinking. But in this case, sending clarification might help clear the air a bit and maybe save some problems down the road. Like you, i wouldn't feel that i needed to explain myself to this cacher. It would be more of an attempt to possibly educate and ease his own concerns.

October 6, 2009

Maybe I'm missing something ... but is the guy that emailed you complaining about your old find logs on the ones you've found before?

Or just the found logs that happen to be close to the adoption?

What's the difference in finding it a month before the adoption and finding it 10 minutes before the adoption? Or 10 minutes AFTER the adoption if you've never found it before?

3.8k · October 6, 2009

Recently, a long term cacher in my state who had a lot of really good hides moved to another state. He asked me to adopt his caches. I agreed to this, and he sent the adoption requests.

Last weekend, mt GF and I took a 450 mile trip to go find all of these caches and maintain them. Most of this batch that I adopted, I had not previously found. I replaced some containers, every cache got a new log, and some of them got new rattle can camo. It was a 14 hour day, and we had a lot of fun.

After I got home, I took care of all the logging. First I logged a find for the ones I had never found before, then logged owner maintenance, then updated the cache page as needed.

Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count". I have no idea who this person is, and at this point am inclined to ignore them.

What do you think?

hit the delete button and move on.

October 6, 2009

Recently, a long term cacher in my state who had a lot of really good hides moved to another state. He asked me to adopt his caches. I agreed to this, and he sent the adoption requests.

Last weekend, mt GF and I took a 450 mile trip to go find all of these caches and maintain them. Most of this batch that I adopted, I had not previously found. I replaced some containers, every cache got a new log, and some of them got new rattle can camo. It was a 14 hour day, and we had a lot of fun.

After I got home, I took care of all the logging. First I logged a find for the ones I had never found before, then logged owner maintenance, then updated the cache page as needed.

Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count". I have no idea who this person is, and at this point am inclined to ignore them.

What do you think?

hit the delete button and move on.

Explain to the person that you adopted them from another user and did not until now find them. If they don't understand that then forget about them. You might even get an apology. If you don't mind sharing how does the listing look? I am curious to know if you left the hide credit as the person who you adopted it from? I have so far adopted one cache. I kept the name of the person who hid it and added adopted by, my user name then the date I adopted it. Don't get too bent out of shape because of this person. You did nothing wrong.

4.2k · October 6, 2009

hit the delete button and move on.

Ding ding. We have a winner.

If you get even one more email them and it's through your gc.com profile- report them. If they are sending you emails outside of the cg.com system respond with a simple "do not contact me ever again". If you hear back from them after that then there are a whole grocery list of things to do. Hopefully it won't come to that.

3.9k · October 6, 2009

Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count".

I never understood this mindset. So what if you WERE cheating and logging bogus finds? This person thinks that your logs are keeping them from enjoying the game somehow.

And it's one thing to actually think it, but astounding that they'd actually email you with their useless opinions of your actions.

I roll my eyes in their general direction.

2.3k · October 6, 2009

To be honest I would not have logged cached I now own after an adoption. After my two cents have been delivered, my next statement is WHO CARES. So what if you have a couple extra numbers. I would ignore these people there is little to nothing they can do about it. If you really wanted to you could send an EXTREMELY cordial email explaining your thinking and telling them you respect their opinion. To be honest, I would just ignore it.

Why on earth would you not log a find on a cache you legitimately found? No rhyme or reason there...

October 6, 2009

I adopted around 50 geocaches from a fellow geocacher and logged them as found when I did my maintenance. No biggie.. Ignore the heckler and move on with life. IMHO.

-HHH

18.9k · October 6, 2009

I adopted 2 caches (a virtual and a regular) some years ago. Someday I am going to actually visit that virtual - and log it as found.

October 6, 2009

I adopted 2 caches (a virtual and a regular) some years ago. Someday I am going to actually visit that virtual - and log it as found.

Don't forget to email yourself the answers, or you might delete your log!

24.7k · October 6, 2009

...Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count". I have no idea who this person is, and at this point am inclined to ignore them.

What do you think?

You might have saved a little grief if you had found them, then adopted them so that technicly they weren't yours when you found them. But then maybe not. I've got one or two of these kinds of adoptions.

However your instinct is dead on. I supposed you could explain to them what you just said or perhaps point them to this thread, but sometimes folks will just think what they need to think regardless of the truth.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Renegade Knight

1.7k · October 6, 2009

... Most of this batch that I adopted, I had not previously found. ...

... I logged a find for the ones I had never found before,...

Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count". I have no idea who this person is, and at this point am inclined to ignore them.

What do you think?

Ignore them, you didn't place the caches, so you had to find them. Of the original CO had taken you to each one it would be a different story.

4.8k · October 6, 2009

I don't see the big deal even if you placed the caches yourself. You did have to find a spot to hide them, right?

For this situation. Ignore it.

7.9k · October 7, 2009

I think I can safely say that the masses agree that Okiebryan is in the clear here.

I would have done exactly the same

It seems that someone accidentally put their underwear on backwards that morning.

October 7, 2009

you didn't hide it and you had to find it regardless of having adopted it so you have every right to log them. their probably just made that you either have more find or you found the ones they couldnt!

6.5k · October 7, 2009

Today, I got 2 emails from someone who accused me of "cheating" and "inflating my find count". I have no idea who this person is, and at this point am inclined to ignore them.

Go with your inclination.

They don't even deserve a response.

But if they contact you again, merely reply with a link to this thread.

Edited October 7, 2009 by wimseyguy

6.5k · October 7, 2009

What do you think?

Really, if it was me, i would probably want to give that "accuser" a quick little heads up explanation. One email, nothing more, and if they still wanted to accuse you of somehow cheating, then ignore the heck out of em!

I was looking to see if this was said.

If someone sent me an email like that I would simply and politely explain the adoption situation. That should cover it.

As to logging a find after adoption I can't see how anyone should have a problem with that. You didn't hide it, you didn't know where or how it was hidden, you didn't have any insider information. How could it possibly be a problem?

It may not be that they didn't know where they were hidden, but that they are basically receiving credit for the same cache twice. Once as a find, and again being its current owner.

But its like many things in geocaching, either you care about (whatever) or you don't.

3.6k · October 7, 2009

You say that you hadn't found most of the caches that you adopted, which seems like you had found a copule of them in the past before any adoption questions came up. Does the person who emailed you expect you to delete those logs too? I mean, c'mon, you found the cache 3 years ago but now own it, so that found it log should surely go.

Unless the cache was a super hard puzzle that you couldn't have solved on your own and they gave you the coords, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If it were me, I'd email the person a short (friendly) note and then let it go.

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