+Damin69 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 GC1YE6Q GC1YE6Q WSQ Pine Valley. I thought it was weird that when I logged my find on this cache there was a find on it already. I had not seen any other finds when I signed the log. So today On my way home from Richland Center I stopped by to check it out and to this date there are NO other signatures on that log. It is making me wonder about some of that other guys finds now in the area. I was looking through his finds and he has finds in diff. States on the same day that are many many states apart. This just strikes me as odd maybe accidental. How can someon really do this on purpose with out having a Guilty conscious? Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I'd log my visit and move on. Or maybe talk about 'em at the next event. Quote Link to comment
+Gitchee-Gummee Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 'Tis REAL interesting, tho. I'm just gonna leave it at that. I smell a can-o-worms here. Quote Link to comment
+Knight2000 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 When I sign a fresh log I have been known to sign it very small in a hidden spot in the log book. People often miss it. Maybe that is it? Quote Link to comment
+Damin69 Posted September 27, 2009 Author Share Posted September 27, 2009 When I sign a fresh log I have been known to sign it very small in a hidden spot in the log book. People often miss it. Maybe that is it? Exactly why I stopped by and checked that Log book out. I did not want to claim a FTF that was not mine to claim. It is a Micro I took the log back out of the container and looked front and back of all the paper looking for another sig. Non there. Then I looked at the users other finds quick. Saw a Pennsivania cache on the same day as a bunch of Wisconsin caches. I just thought it was weird and maybe an accident. Heck i noticed months afterword that I had accidently logged a cache twice in one day. I went back and changed that log to a note as I felt guilty about it. I was just wondering what other people do when they figure out the did something by accident. Quote Link to comment
+Knight2000 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 claim a FTF About your original concern... I would say who cares and not give it a second thought. It doesn't affect my fun caching. Quote Link to comment
+bittsen Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 claim a FTF About your original concern... I would say who cares and not give it a second thought. It doesn't affect my fun caching. We all went over this a week or so ago. As I recall, your thoughts on the subject were in the minority. I also recall you claiming that you had only screwed up the FTF hopes "a couple times". Quote Link to comment
+JJTally Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Hunt them down. Just let the cache owner know and claim your FTF prize. Quote Link to comment
+brokenoaks Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I think a public flogging is in order geeees people! Quote Link to comment
+Vater_Araignee Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Slap them with a ten pound carp that's been dead for a week, then resume normal game play because I'm not worried about arguing over FTF? The CO needs to worry about it if and only if they care to. Quote Link to comment
+chrisrayn Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I agree it seems fishy. His finger may have slipped and he logged the wrong month, but then there's the lack of signature to think about. It's odd though that he hasn't logged more finds if he's just doing them from his couch. I don't know...about halfway through checkin this out, I realized that it just doesn't matter and I don't care. You got the FTF...that's good enough. Quote Link to comment
+slowdownracer Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 The logbook in the cache is the official record of that cache's activity. Anybody can post anything online, which is why I changed the terminology of "cyberspace" to "hyperspace". Sometimes you have to weed thru the "hype" to get to the "reality", if there is such a thing. Quote Link to comment
+LightHouseSeekers Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Mention to the Cache Owner that you did not see the name in the logbook, then forget about it. The CO can then decide whether the online log is valid or should be deleted Quote Link to comment
GOF and Bacall Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Mention to the Cache Owner that you did not see the name in the logbook, then forget about it. The CO can then decide whether the online log is valid or should be deleted If I was to bother doing anything this is what I'd co. Quote Link to comment
+ace862 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Did the online log make sense in relation to the cache? I know once I gave my stepson a list of GC#s so he could log his finds. About a month later when I was looking at his finds I noticed he had a find in Virginia and Germany(or something to that effect) logged on the same day. (We are in Canada) Turns out he had misread the number and didn't even look at the cache page. He just entered the GC# and hit Log your visit. I should mention that he was 11 or 12 at the time. It can happen and the person may not have even noticed. Other than that I'd say in the big picture, it's probably not worth getting all worked up over. Cheers! Quote Link to comment
+Curioddity Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 If a FTF is at stake and it's important to you, you could simply mention in your online log that your sig was the first one on the blank cache log and leave it at that. Then it's a matter of record and it's up to the CO to decide how (or whether) to handle the situation. Otherwise, just be true to your own ethics and beware the people you suspect are cheaters. Pete Quote Link to comment
+letmein Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It looks like you are talking about "young and old". If I were the cache owner, I'd delete the unsigned visit, especially a first-to-find. I don't see any logs for them, other than in Wisconsin. Am I missing the PA ones you've seen? "Young and old" logged seven caches dated before they joined Geocaching.com. That is a bit strange. Maybe they got the cache coordinates from a friend before joining themselves, then went back from memory and logged their finds. In doing this, maybe they recorded on the wrong cache. That is a scenario that might not have deceitful intentions. Send "young and old" an email if the cache owner doesn't take action. Or email WGA3 (your local cache reviewer) and have him contact the cache owner and "young and old". Quote Link to comment
+ecanderson Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 GC1YE6Q GC1YE6Q WSQ Pine Valley.... This just strikes me as odd maybe accidental. How can someon really do this on purpose with out having a Guilty conscious? I vote for accidental -- did you note the date of the log? Months before the cache was even published? This was either a screwup in the database, or the "finder" managed a really large typo while logging caches found a couple of months back. Certainly doesn't look intentional to me. Quote Link to comment
+chrisrayn Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 It looks like you are talking about "young and old". If I were the cache owner, I'd delete the unsigned visit, especially a first-to-find. I don't see any logs for them, other than in Wisconsin. Am I missing the PA ones you've seen? "Young and old" logged seven caches dated before they joined Geocaching.com. That is a bit strange. Maybe they got the cache coordinates from a friend before joining themselves, then went back from memory and logged their finds. In doing this, maybe they recorded on the wrong cache. That is a scenario that might not have deceitful intentions. Send "young and old" an email if the cache owner doesn't take action. Or email WGA3 (your local cache reviewer) and have him contact the cache owner and "young and old". There was 1 cache outside of Wisconsin: Pennsylvania on September 13. Quote Link to comment
Clan Riffster Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 I'd treat it the same way I'd treat a herd of lawyers being mauled by lions: Ignore it and hope it goes away. Quote Link to comment
+Knight2000 Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 If a FTF is at stake It's not. You either are or you aren't. Forget about it. Go have fun! Quote Link to comment
+Curioddity Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 If a FTF is at stake It's not. You either are or you aren't. Ok, let me rephrase that: If FTF recognition is at stake and it's important to you, .... They've never been important to me. I have 2, but I was shocked both times because I didn't even start looking until quite awhile after the listing was published. Around here they have FTF parties which are also known as Feeding Frenzies for the cache piranhas, and I'm a lot more interested in participating in the party than actually being FTF. Pete Quote Link to comment
+beejay&esskay Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 You have the FTF. Nobody looking at that cache is going to think the 6/13 log is real. He probably got the cache ID wrong as well as the date when he logged it. Quote Link to comment
+Nature Kids Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 He is from a future time zone & traveled back in time before the cache was placed. He knew full well that a cache would be placed in that precise spot and logged his visit. In the future you will need a Time Transit Unit ....a TTU along with your GPS, for Time Traveling Geocaching. Everyone travels back in time to get FTF.....The only logs that count!! Quote Link to comment
+jellis Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) Many possiblities...Found it after you and put the wrong date, sock puppet cacher, or someone who knows the owner and allowed them to log it whether as being there when it was placed or permission by the owner. Did you also see that same cacher double logged other cache finds? Edited September 30, 2009 by jellis50 Quote Link to comment
+Keith Watson Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 (edited) I know of a few cachers that have lied on cache listings for glory. Is it worth going after them? I would say no. If a person cheats and or lies and feels good about it, there is nothing you can do to change them. Exposing them is only going to create friction that you may not want. If an FTF is at stake, just record it as an FTF for yourself and move on. Edited September 30, 2009 by Keith Watson Quote Link to comment
+Unkle Fester Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 I'd treat it the same way I'd treat a herd of lawyers being mauled by lions: Ignore it and hope it goes away. The lawyer, or the lion? A lion I can deal with... A lawyer makes great fertilizer. Quote Link to comment
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