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Geotrashing? Geocaching is littering?

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yoyo ken

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I've been going around Facebook lately, and I found this:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=geocachi...11.259773280..1

 

It is a Facebook group for people who hate geocaching. In the description of the group, one person said, "Lets stop people from littering our beautiful contryside with lunch boxes filled with tripe! And its a boring pass time, I think I would rather die than be a geocacher." I think I'd rather die than be a geocacher, that's a little extreme! Their logo for their page says, "Geocaching is for losers who don't have a life and can't get laid." I joined their group (for about a minute, to post a comment), and said, "What's wrong with you people! Geocaching is a sport of discovery (not including lame caches), where geocaches and earthcaches are placed so people can get out of their houses (unlike you people), and explore. You people are the losers! While we geocachers get out and explore, you people sit in front of your computer and get fat!!!!!!!!!!!"

What I said is true! And their not lunchboxes, their ammo cans, idiots! :ph34r:

Another person said,"Strange how ben has joined this group and also promoting Geocaching? Does this group not go against all that he believes in?!!! Anywhoo i'm all for this group. I think we should start an anti geocaching movement! Maybe get a inside man on the case and destroy the geocaching hobby for good!! Anywhoo great weekend in Marsden though :lol:." What a bunch of garbage! Luckily, the group only has 30 members.

 

There's also a blog on blogger:

http://trashgeocache.blogspot.com/

 

It's a diary of cache trashing in the UK, including tips and hints for fellow geotrashers.

 

How could they do this! I don't know what their probem is! they have pictures of caches that they've taken.

Here's another blog,"It was suggested to me that it would be a great idea to post some geotrashing trophies on eBay."

I was thinking, who wants to buy that, except for geocachers?

They even have a blog where they followed geocachers to a cache, then stole it after they left!

Now here's something:

Why I trash geocaches

 

* I find the hunt exciting and interesting, and the game takes me to places I perhaps wouldn't otherwise know about. This is the same reason given as geocachers as to why they take part in the traditional geocaching game (I refuse to call it a sport).

* Most geocaches are hidden boxes of s***e, often placed in areas which are either beautiful, popular for tourism, or interesting for some other reason.

* Most geocaches I have found have been damaged in some way, either by wild animals chewing part of it, or by the elements; sometimes there will be leaky batteries, rusting metal objects, soggy notebooks, disgusting scraps of tat.

* I resent the arrogance of these people who think that it's popular therefore it's right.

* People encourage their children to find these things... There are more rewarding ways to enjoy the countryside than having a goal at the end that encourages greed, negative competition and selfishness.

* I want to keep geocachers busy, both but wasting their time in seeking a cache, and also wasting the time of the cache owners who have to fret over what happened and then often decide to give the benefit of the doubt and replace with another cache, only this time I know the hiding place already. Go on, do it again. Hey - move it, make it interesting.

* I want to make more people aware of the alternative game.

* My aim - to make all geocaches "virtual". There is no reason why the countryside has to be filled with rubbish to encourage people out of doors.

 

This is worse:

Principles of geotrashing

 

1. Use the same armory as Geotrashers. Websites, forums etc. and scan previous logs carefully for helpful hints especially photos.

2. Use http://www.multimap.com/uk where you have no OS map. Enter the code in the format XX111111 this will require you to delete the spaces and extra digits provided on http://www.geocaching.com.

3. Learn to THINK like a geocacher. They like to hide caches where normal people can't see them... if the cache is sited at an interesting place, e.g. a monument, it won't be placed right there... it'll be a short distance away, preferably in a position that allows a visit out of the gaze of other mortals.

4. Extra satisfaction can be gained by collecting Travel Bugs or Geocoins. This really pisses them off.

 

These people really suck!!!!!!!!!!

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Jeep_Dog

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Best to ignore them, probably. The more attention you give, the more they shall take.

 

I did get a huge kick out of one of the blogs (from 2007, mind you), which said the following:

 

"Oh, what fun!

 

I've also been lurking on the geocache forums. Current topics for discussion include the dangers posed by items found near caches (including broken glass bottles, hyperdermic needles, used condoms, dirty nappies etc); risk of attacks by animals when going off-track – including domestic farm animals and rats(!); and personal guilt from cachers who've caused damage due to careless choice of location such as near old walls, cemeteries or sites of special scientific interest.

 

How much personal risk are these sad bastards willing to put themselves at?"

 

:ph34r:

 

Good stuff. Oh, how they would cringe and knowing just how much personal risk this particularly self-proclaimed sad bastard is will to place himself in... :lol:

 

Treat it as fun, and it shall be fun. Treat it as hate, and it will become hate.

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briansnat

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litter Main Entry: lit·ter

 

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French litere, from lit bed, from Latin lectus — more at lie

Date: 14th century

4 a : trash, wastepaper, or garbage lying scattered about b : an untidy accumulation of objects

 

 

 

Going by the definition of litter, a geocache, being neatly organized and carefully concealed object is

almost the exact opposite of litter.

 

Regarding all that other nonsense, we'd all be best off if we ignored it. They are just looking for attention.

That Facebook group was pretty much dead (at least until you posted there).

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Jeep_Dog

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Regarding all that other nonsense, we'd all be best off if we ignored it. They are just looking for attention.

 

 

Well, they may have a point about the forum geocachers being pathetic.... :lol:

 

 

Yup, best to ignore, regardless on how much truth is involved. :ph34r:

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I can see why some people have concerns about caching, but a geotrash group is hardly the forum for dialog or discussion. I would not post something on a neo-nazi forum for the same reasons. So have fun, walk lightly, and respect the places you visit. And if you ever meet one of these guys on the trail . . . hopefully everyone will be civil.

 

I have run across caches (including some of my own) where non-cachers have found them, wrote notes in the log expressing similar type of sentiments, with occasional graphic language, and then chose to put the container neatly back in place. Maybe carrying an ammo can back was too much work, but I have to respect the way they exercised their freedom of speech.

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Mr.Yuck

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That page is still around, huh? It was the subject of a thread about a year ago, as well: link

 

Yup. And he was chastised for using the official Geocaching.com logo. And then he thanked us for giving his forgotten group attention. Which of course we're doing again. :ph34r:

 

There are some active cache trashers (with alledgedly "environmental" motives) in the UK. But I don't live there, so I don't follow it too closely.

 

Eeegads, now I've gone and posted to both threads about him.

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sbell111

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I've been going around Facebook lately, and I found this:

http://www.facebook.com/search/?q=geocachi...11.259773280..1

 

It is a Facebook group for people who hate geocaching. In the description of the group, one person said, "Lets stop people from littering our beautiful contryside with lunch boxes filled with tripe! And its a boring pass time, I think I would rather die than be a geocacher." I think I'd rather die than be a geocacher, that's a little extreme! Their logo for their page says, "Geocaching is for losers who don't have a life and can't get laid." I joined their group (for about a minute, to post a comment), and said, "What's wrong with you people! Geocaching is a sport of discovery (not including lame caches), where geocaches and earthcaches are placed so people can get out of their houses (unlike you people), and explore. You people are the losers! While we geocachers get out and explore, you people sit in front of your computer and get fat!!!!!!!!!!!"

What I said is true! And their not lunchboxes, their ammo cans, idiots! :ph34r:

Another person said,"Strange how ben has joined this group and also promoting Geocaching? Does this group not go against all that he believes in?!!! Anywhoo i'm all for this group. I think we should start an anti geocaching movement! Maybe get a inside man on the case and destroy the geocaching hobby for good!! Anywhoo great weekend in Marsden though :lol:." What a bunch of garbage! Luckily, the group only has 30 members. ...

Clearly, my wife is spending too much time on facebook.
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Damin69

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What I kinda see as Ironic about the whole thing. In one breath they are talking about how they hate it then in the next they are out seaching for the same geocaches to destroy them. Funny Other than the destruction of the Cache they are GEOCACHING..... Morons.

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yoyo ken

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No more replies! Don't join that group on Facebook, don't even visit it. Don't blog about geotrashing. Let's not contaminate the world of geocaching, nor support geotrashers/give them reason to geotrash. Let's just forget this ever happened, and if you see someone geotrashing, tell them not to.

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bflentje

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An ammo can would make a fine lunchbox.

 

I am wondering what kind of residues we expose ourselves to by handling ammocans. Some of the following come to mind..

 

- lead

- depleted uranium dust

- benzenes

- cyclohexanes, cyclohexemes, other organics

- blackpowder

- gun powder

- other solvent residues

- other heavy metal dust

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GOF and Bacall

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An ammo can would make a fine lunchbox.

 

I am wondering what kind of residues we expose ourselves to by handling ammocans. Some of the following come to mind..

 

- lead

- depleted uranium dust

- benzenes

- cyclohexanes, cyclohexemes, other organics

- blackpowder

- gun powder

- other solvent residues

- other heavy metal dust

 

mud

leaf litter

thorns

insects

rain

sun

dust

poison ivy/oak

snakes

bears

skunks

etc.etc.etc.

Oh wait, that's just getting to the ammo can.

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Turtle_Sask

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Those people are an exact example of people you just ignore, they only want attention and hopefully start to pay less attention to geocaching as time goes on. I have learn't that no matter where you go there are ALWAYS going to be people who just try to make your life harder then it should be and you have to ignore them.

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Knight2000

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I wouldn't say that cachers don't have a life but they do gravitate more toward, how do you say? the kind of folks that go to the Star Trek conventions. It's all good. :ph34r:

 

 

litter Main Entry: lit·ter

 

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French litere, from lit bed, from Latin lectus — more at lie

Date: 14th century

4 a : trash, wastepaper, or garbage lying scattered about b : an untidy accumulation of objects

 

 

Sad to say, many times geocaching is littering. (IMO)

 

More often than you think caches are archived and left to rot. I stumbled upon a log for an archived cache by my house. Someone found it almost 9 months after it had been archived. We were driving by sometime a couple months later and I went to see if it was still there. It was, rotting away in a pile of mush. I tossed it. (Cemetery cache.)

 

I posted a log expressing displeasure and the CO deleted it. I asked them to pick up their archived caches because it make "us" look bad. (Imagine if land managers realized that this occurs?) This upset the cacher and they archived all their caches. (About 12) I wasn't rude and even offered to help them maintain them. Bottom line- if you aren't going to maintain them then they should be archived.

 

So many people cache for a bit and then get busy with life. After participating in a local thread I realized this is not an uncommon practice of leaving them to rot.

 

I was chastised for retrieving the trash by some. You will hear all sorts of arguments.

 

What you do as a cacher reflects on all other cachers.

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NYPaddleCacher

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An ammo can would make a fine lunchbox.

 

My six year old is starting first grade in two weeks. I've got a ammo can here that I could paint, slap on a few decals and it would make a find lunch box. However, I'm not sure that he's got the finger strength to open it. Some of you might wonder what kind of geocacher would even think of using an ammo can for something other than a geocache, but as I it's the only one I've got, so I'm due for a trip to the army surplus store anyway to see if I can pick up some more.

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Knight2000

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Some of you might wonder what kind of geocacher would even think of using an ammo can for something other than a geocache, but as I it's the only one I've got, so I'm due for a trip to the army surplus store anyway to see if I can pick up some more.

If you are into shooting sports they are great for ammo. ;):unsure:

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knowschad

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An ammo can would make a fine lunchbox.

 

My six year old is starting first grade in two weeks. I've got a ammo can here that I could paint, slap on a few decals and it would make a find lunch box. However, I'm not sure that he's got the finger strength to open it.

 

 

 

He will, when he gets hungry enough. :unsure:

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geodarts

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Geocaching is for loosers [sic] who don't have a life and can't get laid!!

What I want to know is how they know so much about me?

 

It's just like all those spammers who somehow know I need Viagra and male enlargement devices. :unsure:

 

Isn't this contradictory? Either way it probably comes from hiking along steep "trails" by the side of a lake that are only accessible during droughts.

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Castle Mischief

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Dude.

 

FaceBook. :unsure:

That is the best post of the day. I wish I could get that rolley eyes guy on a T-shirt. I'll make that one and "Twitter is for twits."

 

Search for "rolleyes image macro". You should find a dozen variations of a giant rolleyes emote spewing hundreds of smaller rolleyes emotes.

 

That's how I feel about the internet sometimes.

 

(...but keep your paws off my twitter. It updates to my FaceBook account.)

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Knight2000

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I wish I could get that rolley eyes guy on a T-shirt. I'll make that one and "Twitter is for twits."

 

Search for "rolleyes image macro". You should find a dozen variations of a giant rolleyes emote spewing hundreds of smaller rolleyes emotes.

 

That's how I feel about the internet sometimes.

 

(...but keep your paws off my twitter. It updates to my FaceBook account.)

I can't [easily] put a smiley rolling his eyes on a T-shirt. :blink: I could just point his balls up and it would get the point across.

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Hrethgir

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I wish I could get that rolley eyes guy on a T-shirt. I'll make that one and "Twitter is for twits."

 

Search for "rolleyes image macro". You should find a dozen variations of a giant rolleyes emote spewing hundreds of smaller rolleyes emotes.

 

That's how I feel about the internet sometimes.

 

(...but keep your paws off my twitter. It updates to my FaceBook account.)

I can't [easily] put a smiley rolling his eyes on a T-shirt. :blink: I could just point his balls up and it would get the point across.

 

Print the smiley on a shirt and add some googly eyes, problem solved!

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Colonial Cats

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An ammo can would make a fine lunchbox.

 

I am wondering what kind of residues we expose ourselves to by handling ammocans. Some of the following come to mind..

 

- lead

- depleted uranium dust

- benzenes

- cyclohexanes, cyclohexemes, other organics

- blackpowder

- gun powder

- other solvent residues

- other heavy metal dust

 

I am a retired ammunition inspector for the US Army. There would be no hazards other than flaking paint. The ammo cans generally used for geocaching are small arms ammunition (SAA) cans. SAA are finished products so there is no residues involved. Same goes foe fuze cans. There would be very few cans around that would have had depleted uranium (DU) ammunition, however there shouldn't but any DU dust/particles/residue. If you wash the ammo cans with soap and water, there shouldn't be any concern over hazardous materials exposure. The one thing you should do with the cans, other than cleaning them, is to remove all military markings and labels. These would suggest a hazard that is not now present. I think ammo cans would make excellent lunch boxes. :blink:

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yawppy

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What I kinda see as Ironic about the whole thing. In one breath they are talking about how they hate it then in the next they are out seaching for the same geocaches to destroy them. Funny Other than the destruction of the Cache they are GEOCACHING..... Morons.

:(:);):):D:D Love it, yep .

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AZcachemeister

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No matter what pastime you may enjoy, there will always be a segment of society that:

Ayy) Doesn't understand it.

Bee) Fears what they don't understand.

Cee) Advocates the cessation of what they fear.

 

Recent archival of more than a few caches in Arizona due to lack of owner response to (sometimes frivolous) 'Needs Maintenance' logs HAS left rather a lot of Geolitter out there...but that is the owner's responsibility(ies), not Geocaching.com. :P

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KeeperOfTheMist

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Even Better we can make a GeoTrashing Trashing site on facebook saying how lame tey are with lots of mispelled wards and ugly font designs. and then spam there group with viagra and male enlargement ads forwarded from sdarken's email :D

 

seriously though seeing things like this always makes for good humor at the least.

to bad there are wastes of valuable air out there like this. i have actually met a trasher in real life and really he has no life but browsing for caches within less then a mile of his house to trash cause i guess anymore then that would take him away from his prescious computer to long that he might miss the newwest pron samples out there.. lol no im not joking about that either, and i think thats the funniest part

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Renegade Knight

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I don't see how we are lame people. We go out 4 wheeling, and I personally race bmx, and ride motocross. With my bmx trips i find caches. like blue deuce said, just ignore em'.

Lame people create hate groups on facebook because they don't do things like Motocross, Hiking, Fishing and such. Seriously, if you have a life you don't have time for a group like that.

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