jb12string Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I tried out my new Summit HC today with an older version of streets and trips but it won't recognize my GPSr, it works with my old (and on the fritz) Legend but not the new (and hopefully more reliable) Summit. If I download the new version of streets and trips, will it work with the new garmin? Other work around solutions? Quote Link to comment
jb12string Posted August 22, 2009 Author Share Posted August 22, 2009 After a little more research, it appears that Garmin has abandonded NMEA, which S&T requires, in favor of their own proprietary protocol. Is there any work around solution? Quote Link to comment
+PDOP's Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Garmin's free software Spanner (link) outputs NMEA format to a virtual Com port which can be used by S&T. Quote Link to comment
jb12string Posted August 22, 2009 Author Share Posted August 22, 2009 Update #2 Franson's GPSgate appears to be a workable solution, we'll see how it works tomorrow on the road... Quote Link to comment
jb12string Posted August 23, 2009 Author Share Posted August 23, 2009 Thanks for the input PDOP's I didn't see it last night before I posted Update #2, I followed the link, but it appears that it only works on the GPS 18. GPSgate worked pretty well for me today, only had one issue where S&T stopped getting signal, GPSgate said that the GPSr was still connected, but wasn't recieving data, shut the summit off and turned it back on and we were good to go. I think the GPSgate express license is $12.95, I'd say its worth it at this point Quote Link to comment
+fegan Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 After a little more research, it appears that Garmin has abandonded NMEA... Interesting. I have a Colorado 400t and the Interface options include Garmin Serial, Garmin Spanner and NMEA In/Out. Perhaps some specific models don't support NMEA...but I don't think Garmin has abandonded NMEA. Quote Link to comment
+PDOP's Posted August 23, 2009 Share Posted August 23, 2009 Thanks for the input PDOP's I didn't see it last night before I posted Update #2, I followed the link, but it appears that it only works on the GPS 18. I know it works with the 60 and 76 series. It freeware so there's no down side to trying it. Quote Link to comment
+baloo&bd Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Thanks for the input PDOP's I didn't see it last night before I posted Update #2, I followed the link, but it appears that it only works on the GPS 18. GPSgate worked pretty well for me today, only had one issue where S&T stopped getting signal, GPSgate said that the GPSr was still connected, but wasn't recieving data, shut the summit off and turned it back on and we were good to go. I think the GPSgate express license is $12.95, I'd say its worth it at this point You might also try xport. I switch after having several problems over the years with GPSGate and getting tired of dealing with their "not our problem" form of customer service. Quote Link to comment
jb12string Posted August 25, 2009 Author Share Posted August 25, 2009 The info I was finding was from when the etrex H line was launched, so they may have reversed course, if they have, great. Does xport in fact translate garmin into nmea? What I saw said that it can tranparently pass data and that it uses nmea 0183 Quote Link to comment
Ken in Regina Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 (edited) No, Xport does not do any translation. GPSGate does. My eTrex Legend HCx outputs NMEA and it works great with MS Streets&Trips and Mappoint, DeLorme Street Atlas, iNav's iGuidance and Navmii. The only thing that has a problem with it is Garmin's Mobile PC. Go figure.... Oh yeah, the Legend HCx will also output Garmin protocol if the nav program asks it to. When I connect the Legend and start up Garmin's old nRoute program, which only understands Garmin protocol, the Legend sweetly switches to Garmin protocol and nRoute works happy as a clam. ...ken... Edited August 26, 2009 by Ken in Regina Quote Link to comment
jb12string Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 That's odd, I'd think the Summit HC and Legend HCx should be very similar, I wonder why the HCx outputs NMEA and the HC doesn't. GPSgate sent me an email for 20% off, so I paid the $10 for GPSgate express, I know it works so I figure it was worth it. I have another road trip coming up tomorrow and my wife does the navigating and doesn't react well when the GPS and/or laptop doesn't work properly, so I am going to stick with what works instead of experimenting Quote Link to comment
robertlipe Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I'm skeptical that Legend HCx outputs NMEA over USB. That'd make it the only Garmin to do so. Yes, various software like GPSGate can convert Garmin PVT to NMEA and put it on a pseudo serial port. But the GPS itself doesn't do NMEA at the protocol level I'm pretty sure. Quote Link to comment
Ken in Regina Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I'm skeptical that Legend HCx outputs NMEA over USB. ... Did I not make it clear that I have actually tested my Legend HCx with all of the software I listed? If not, let me be explicit: I have personally tested the eTrex Legend HCx with: Microsoft Streets&Trips 2008 Microsoft Mappoint 2009 iNav iGuidance 2008 DeLorme Street Atlas Plus 2008 Geolife Navmii Garmin Mobile PC All of the above, except Garmin's Mobile PC, work flawlessly with the eTrex Legend HCx. The Legend HCx sends standard NMEA data through the USB port by default. It will also send Garmin protocol if the nav program requests it. I have tested with Garmin's nRoute program which only works with Garmin protocol. When the Legend HCx is connected and I run nRoute, the Legend HCx switches to Garmin protocol and nRoute works perfectly with it. I hope I made it more clear this time. This is not a matter for speculation. This is from actual use with all of these programs. ... That'd make it the only Garmin to do so. It is my understanding that many of the Garmin handhelds send NMEA through the USB connection. That would include most of the current eTrex models (Legend and Vista for sure, possibly Venture) as well as the GPSMAP 60CSx and 76CSx. I believe it may also include the Colorados, Oregons and Dakotas. I have not tested any of those but I have seen posts in this forum that lead me to believe they do. ...ken... Quote Link to comment
+tumbleweed1965 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 ... That'd make it the only Garmin to do so. It is my understanding that many of the Garmin handhelds send NMEA through the USB connection. That would include most of the current eTrex models (Legend and Vista for sure, possibly Venture) as well as the GPSMAP 60CSx and 76CSx. I believe it may also include the Colorados, Oregons and Dakotas. I have not tested any of those but I have seen posts in this forum that lead me to believe they do. ...ken... I just got the garmen etrax venture HC It does send NMEA via usb also but there was a setting in tools that you had to turn on. I have tested it with S&t and copilot Quote Link to comment
Ken in Regina Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 I just got the garmen etrax venture HC It does send NMEA via usb also but there was a setting in tools that you had to turn on. I have tested it with S&t and copilot Hi Tumbleweed, I can't find any setting on my Legend HCx. It seems like it just automatically sends NMEA over the USB connection and if the nav program requests Garmin protocol it will switch. If it has been sending Garmin protocol, like after it was being used with nRoute, then I have to power it off and back on to get it back to NMEA. Where in the menus did you find the setting on the Venture? ...ken... Quote Link to comment
jb12string Posted August 29, 2009 Author Share Posted August 29, 2009 Under the settings menu, my Summit does have an "interface" menu, but I was unable to set it to anything other than the Garmin protocol, no matter whether I was in S&T or not Quote Link to comment
Ken in Regina Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) Okay, I have a confession to make: I am an idiot!! I did all the testing I stated above. The only problem is that I did it with my Garmin GPS10x (Bluetooth receiver that does indeed do NMEA by default). I have also tested all those programs with my Legend HCx but I was using GPSGate Express when I did it. I just checked my netbook configuration and it has GPSGate installed. There's no need to use it with the GPS10x so the only reason I would have it there is for the Legend. I repeat I am an idiot!! My sincere apologies to Robert for contradicting him and to jb12string for misleading him about the eTrex and NMEA. (Perhaps we should shift the discussion to guitars instead of GPSs. I'm sure I can embarass myself just as well on that subject.) Sorry folks..... ...ken... Edited August 30, 2009 by Ken in Regina Quote Link to comment
Motorcycle_Mama Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 Luckily for you, you provide so much great information and help here, that one little slip up will be easily forgiven. Quote Link to comment
jb12string Posted August 30, 2009 Author Share Posted August 30, 2009 No harm, no foul. I was worried that I was missing something. I think I will call Garmin on Monday and complain, perhaps they could make a change in there next firmware update. Quote Link to comment
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