Please don't make geocaching a religion

[+The Blorenges]

 

... Also- in looking over my pictures of the event I noticed Webscouter's hat too. And where was I during the mentioned debate? Taking this picture.

 

 

As I wasn't able to attend GeoWoodstock (maybe another year...), could you name the line up of reviewers in your photo, please?

 

MrsB

[Skippermark]

Personally I felt the reviewer panel went great Saturday, not because of the reviewers but because of the great questions that were asked. The crowd really did a great job!

I didn't attend this years GW but have found the panels very helpful at other events. It's nice to be able to have a question answered and get info into the "behind the scenes" workings of how the review process goes.

[+doingitoldschool]

Um, this isn't a religion?

 

But we look for guidance from an unseen force in the sky... we get on our knees to search for the truth... usually throwing in a prayer 'please be here'... We journal about our experiences... we gather to offer thanks to those who have sacrificed for us... There are books offering truth about it (at least for dummies)... snd we try to convince others to join... and talking about it can really annoy our non believing friends...

 

Oh, now I get it...

 

Now THAT got a smile (and I'm a pastor)!

[knowschad]

Sorry. It is all part of the plan for world domination through subversive religion masquerading as science.

 

I KNEW it!!!

[GOF and Bacall]

Sorry. It is all part of the plan for world domination through subversive religion masquerading as science.

 

I KNEW it!!!

 

I thought you'd just take it on faith.

[+carleenp]

 

... Also- in looking over my pictures of the event I noticed Webscouter's hat too. And where was I during the mentioned debate? Taking this picture.

 

 

As I wasn't able to attend GeoWoodstock (maybe another year...), could you name the line up of reviewers in your photo, please?

 

MrsB

 

From Left to Right:

 

Mad Min, Reviewer Jones, 1/2 of Team Misguided, Hemlock, Electric Mouse (myself), Huggy D1, Tennessee Cacher.

[+carleenp]

The speaker on the podium was the reviewer for the Dakota's and formally Nebraska Electric Mouse.

She has been a cacher since 2001 and a reviewer since 2004.

 

Just to clarify, I don't think I (Electric Mouse, sorry, I am too lazy to log out and back in with the other account!) answered the proximity question. Not that I remember anyway. In any event, I also don't remember being concerned about any of the answers given by anyone else. I think the point of the answer given was that there is more to the proximity rule than avoiding confusion--it is also to avoid over saturation of an area. I would have answered it in a similar fashion.

 

I do remember the question also having to do with something about the GPS showing one distance and the web site another. I leaned over to the person next to me and said something to the effect of "we should add some info about typical GPS error," which I think he had the microphone next and did so before the next question was asked.

 

In any event, I encourage the OP to contact her reviewer if she has further questions about the proximity rule and how it is applied.

[+The Blorenges]

 

... Also- in looking over my pictures of the event I noticed Webscouter's hat too. And where was I during the mentioned debate? Taking this picture.

 

 

As I wasn't able to attend GeoWoodstock (maybe another year...), could you name the line up of reviewers in your photo, please?

 

MrsB

 

From Left to Right:

 

Mad Min, Reviewer Jones, 1/2 of Team Misguided, Hemlock, Electric Mouse (myself), Huggy D1, Tennessee Cacher.

 

Thanks

[+Headhardhat]

Um, this isn't a religion?

 

But we look for guidance from an unseen force in the sky... we get on our knees to search for the truth... usually throwing in a prayer 'please be here'... We journal about our experiences... we gather to offer thanks to those who have sacrificed for us... There are books offering truth about it (at least for dummies)... snd we try to convince others to join... and talking about it can really annoy our non believing friends...

 

Oh, now I get it...

 

Pretty much what Unkle Fester said... I say thank you to the big guy upstairs all the time when geocaching.

 

-HHH

[+Castle Mischief]

From Left to Right:

 

Mad Min, Reviewer Jones, 1/2 of Team Misguided, Hemlock, Electric Mouse (myself), Huggy D1, Tennessee Cacher.

 

Funny, I thought they were all mtn-man for some reason.

[+Castle Mischief]

The speaker on the podium was the reviewer for the Dakota's and formally Nebraska Electric Mouse.

She has been a cacher since 2001 and a reviewer since 2004.

 

Just to clarify, I don't think I (Electric Mouse, sorry, I am too lazy to log out and back in with the other account!) answered the proximity question. Not that I remember anyway. In any event, I also don't remember being concerned about any of the answers given by anyone else. I think the point of the answer given was that there is more to the proximity rule than avoiding confusion--it is also to avoid over saturation of an area. I would have answered it in a similar fashion.

 

I do remember the question also having to do with something about the GPS showing one distance and the web site another. I leaned over to the person next to me and said something to the effect of "we should add some info about typical GPS error," which I think he had the microphone next and did so before the next question was asked.

 

In any event, I encourage the OP to contact her reviewer if she has further questions about the proximity rule and how it is applied.

 

I was under the impression that it was the reviewer third from the left that was answering the question (actually I think she was doing that right when I snapped the pic.) I got the impression that the question was about the website reporting the distance and the reviewer that turned it down coming up with a different measurement- but I could be completely off base. At any rate, I don't think this was something to hash out at GW7 and could have been better handled by the cacher that was trying to place the cache (which I understood to not be Laura Woman) and the reviewer that turned it down.

[+mtn-man]

 

... Also- in looking over my pictures of the event I noticed Webscouter's hat too. And where was I during the mentioned debate? Taking this picture.

 

 

As I wasn't able to attend GeoWoodstock (maybe another year...), could you name the line up of reviewers in your photo, please?

 

MrsB

 

From Left to Right:

 

Mad Min, Reviewer Jones, 1/2 of Team Misguided, Hemlock, Electric Mouse (myself), Huggy D1, Tennessee Cacher.

 

Thanks

Sorry MrsB, but Carleenp is wrong. The correct order as noted by Castle Mischief, from left to right, is as follows:

 

mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, and mtn-man.

 

 

Hmmmm... where was I during all of that anyway?

[+Ambrosia]

And it's definately mtn-man who was speaking. And I have that from the best sources.

[+mtn-man]

I was under the impression that it was the reviewer third from the left that was answering the question (actually I think she was doing that right when I snapped the pic.) I got the impression that the question was about the website reporting the distance and the reviewer that turned it down coming up with a different measurement- but I could be completely off base. At any rate, I don't think this was something to hash out at GW7 and could have been better handled by the cacher that was trying to place the cache (which I understood to not be Laura Woman) and the reviewer that turned it down.

I think I am going to jump in on this post since this one pretty much nails it. This is an area that I review, but a different reviewer handled the cache at that time. Since it was my area, I was curious. The part I made bold above is the problem I see on the cache page (good ears and memory Castle Mischief!). The web site does calculations based on the two coordinates given and is known to be correct since it is math based. It isn't wrong. GPS error in the field is a different story. Perhaps the original poster should go back out and take new readings at the cache site, but the distance is significant and not really close to a possible exception. It would have to be a whopper of an EPE for it to be that far off. Still, I guess it is possible. It is always good to walk away and come back a few times to see if your coordinates are correct. My wife and I moved a cache of hers we replaced this weekend and we did just that.

[+J-Way]

I thought all reviewers were really sock-puppies run by the puppymonster?

[+The Blorenges]

 

Sorry MrsB, but Carleenp is wrong. The correct order as noted by Castle Mischief, from left to right, is as follows:

 

mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, mtn-man, and mtn-man.

 

 

Hmmmm... where was I during all of that anyway?

 

Re. That photograph of the great and the good in post #51...

 

You can't fool me. I know that none of them can possibly be mtn-man.

 

Why?

 

No puppymonster at hand.

 

MrsB

[+Castle Mischief]

good ears and memory Castle Mischief!

 

No problem. Thanks for getting me (vegi meal) and my son (regular meal) pointed to the correct chow line. I would have shaken your hand, but you looked pretty busy. I'm sure you remember me, I was the one with the lanyard and the name tag.

 

Puppymonster was not sighted, but then perhaps that wasn't a sheep at the petting zoo...

[+ZSandmann]

I thinking Puppymonster was logging all the caches in the area while Mtn-Man attended srs bsn at GW7.

 

Congrats on 3K BTW.

[+carleenp]

 

Hmmmm... where was I during all of that anyway?

 

I thought you were out collecting the money to pay off those who pretended to be reviewers so that everyone wouldn't figure out that all cache reviews are done by puppymonster pretending to be mtn-man?

Edited May 27, 2009 by carleenp

[Keystone]

I was busy moderating the forums under this account.

 

-- mtn-man

[+GeoLobo]

This religion seems to have trickled down to all of the ADMINS.

 

I was fed a line of bullcrap (around the same time) from the NY ADMIN as well and it pissed me off so bad, that I have now begun the process of Archiving all of my 159 geocaches in Upstate New York. Its taking time to remove them all, but I was able to temove another 10 yesterday and archive them this morning. Im more than half way done now.

 

and for the first time ....I wont be renewing my membership when its due.

 

HAPPY Caching!

[+Snoogans]

This religion seems to have trickled down to all of the ADMINS.

 

I was fed a line of bullcrap (around the same time) from the NY ADMIN as well and it pissed me off so bad, that I have now begun the process of Archiving all of my 159 geocaches in Upstate New York. Its taking time to remove them all, but I was able to temove another 10 yesterday and archive them this morning. Im more than half way done now.

 

and for the first time ....I wont be renewing my membership when its due.

 

HAPPY Caching!

 

 

I wouldn't let one person drive me from caching.

 

I was tempted to link the geocide thread and tell you that you wasted your geocide on this thread when you could have started your own, but then I looked at your profile....

 

You appear to be an upstanding member of your local geocaching community. Why would you want to take out your frustration on the community that enjoys your caches by archiving them when your issue is with one person who probably doesn't even live in your area or care that they upset you?

 

I think you should reconsider and appeal over that reviewers head. If they were entirely out of line, forword the email record of their behavior as well.

 

I've done that twice. I didn't exactly win the first time, but I was satisfied with the outcome and that reviewer and I later met in person and became friends. The second time is more well known and I didn't win that time either, but that reviewer and I respect one another better now and we never butt heads.

Edited June 5, 2009 by Snoogans

[+Frank Broughton]

Geolobo - you are making a mistake. Please reconsider.

 

Take NYADMIN out to the woodshed and settle this like men used to. Not the sissified way of taking the ball and going home. When I was a kid, those kind got WAY more than their ball to go home with. haha

 

Seriously - stop and breath the beautiful air ya got up there and reconsider.

Edited June 8, 2009 by Frank Broughton

[+Sioneva]

Sorry. It is all part of the plan for world domination through subversive religion masquerading as science.

 

I KNEW it!!!

 

mtn-man, I spent a lot of time coming up with that plan. You're not supposed to leak it!

 

Now I just have to find a new one. Drat it.

[knowschad]

This religion seems to have trickled down to all of the ADMINS.

 

I was fed a line of bullcrap (around the same time) from the NY ADMIN as well and it pissed me off so bad, that I have now begun the process of Archiving all of my 159 geocaches in Upstate New York. Its taking time to remove them all, but I was able to temove another 10 yesterday and archive them this morning. Im more than half way done now.

 

and for the first time ....I wont be renewing my membership when its due.

 

HAPPY Caching!

 

Aren't you supposed to start a new thread if you're gonna commit geocide? It seems a little sad to see it just tucked away in here as an aside. After all, GeoLobo obviously had a legit reason!

[+Renegade Knight]

This religion seems to have trickled down to all of the ADMINS.

 

I was fed a line of bullcrap (around the same time) from the NY ADMIN as well and it pissed me off so bad, that I have now begun the process of Archiving all of my 159 geocaches in Upstate New York. Its taking time to remove them all, but I was able to temove another 10 yesterday and archive them this morning. Im more than half way done now.

 

and for the first time ....I wont be renewing my membership when its due.

 

HAPPY Caching!

 

 

I wouldn't let one person drive me from caching.

 

I was tempted to link the geocide thread and tell you that you wasted your geocide on this thread when you could have started your own, but then I looked at your profile....

 

You appear to be an upstanding member of your local geocaching community. Why would you want to take out your frustration on the community that enjoys your caches by archiving them when your issue is with one person who probably doesn't even live in your area or care that they upset you?

 

I think you should reconsider and appeal over that reviewers head. If they were entirely out of line, forword the email record of their behavior as well.

 

I've done that twice. I didn't exactly win the first time, but I was satisfied with the outcome and that reviewer and I later met in person and became friends. The second time is more well known and I didn't win that time either, but that reviewer and I respect one another better now and we never butt heads.

Well said.

[M15a4spr]

The preaching I witnessed at the event really turned me off. I don't want to have any part of anything with organizers who try to dictate to me what it is about or what it means. I define the meaning of experience in my life for myself.

 

So how do you feel about all the restrictions on what can go into a cache now that all the soccer moms and their snowflakes have invaded the game?

[+Renegade Knight]

The preaching I witnessed at the event really turned me off. I don't want to have any part of anything with organizers who try to dictate to me what it is about or what it means. I define the meaning of experience in my life for myself.

 

So how do you feel about all the restrictions on what can go into a cache now that all the soccer moms and their snowflakes have invaded the game?

 

The only real restrictions above common sence are pocket knives because of land manager perceptions. Yeah, CC&R touting smug holier than though Cookie Cutter Yuppie Wanna Be Like the Joneses types can make various demands but really, who cares? I don't drink that Kool Aid.

[+Happy Humphrey]

I think the point of the answer given was that there is more to the proximity rule than avoiding confusion--it is also to avoid over saturation of an area. I would have answered it in a similar fashion.

I can easily understand the "confusion" explanation, but I've never heard a convincing one about "saturation".

It sounds like you're in a position to clarify.

 

Obviously, the closer caches get the more likelihood of finding cache B when you were after cache A, and an arbitrary rule of thumb seems reasonable. Followed by an appeal from the cache placer, who explains that new cache B is on the other side of a big river from A and that A is an ammo box in a park whereas B is a LPC micro, thus making confusion unlikely.

 

But "saturation"? If there are 10 caches all 400 feet apart, as long as none is likely to be confused with another then so what? The only explanations I've heard are more like the "religious" ones mentioned.

Edited June 24, 2009 by Happy Humphrey