Oregon 400c only has 73MB of Memory ?

[pratzert]

I sent off an email to Garmin Tech Support inquiring about how much memoery was on the Oregon 400c.

 

I was curious to see if it was different from the 400t. There is much confusion about memory in general, many people confuse the true built-in internal memoery with the memory on a memory card.

 

Anyway... here is the resonse I got from Garmin:

 

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

 

Quote: "The 400C has 73MB of internal memory. You may indeed load standard Bluechart maps on the unit. You would need to unlock each region for the Bluechart applications that you purchase. The maps that come standard on the unit are all unlocked.

If you should have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us.": UNQUOTE

 

Now that is very to me as I am pretty sure that the g2 Bluecharts are over 1GB.

 

What I don't know... is if it really DOES have 73MB of internal memory perhaps it comes with a micro SD card already ion place with the g2 charts in place loaded ont he card and the units uses it's 73MB as working memory.

 

I sent back another email asking for a comparison of "Internal Memory" on all of the Oregon 400 series, the 400c, 400t and 400i.

 

According to this blurb I found on the gpsmagazine.com site, all of the Oregon 400 units have 4GB of internal memoery, which sounds more correct to me...:

 

http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2008/08/garmin_...400t_review.php

 

Can anyone who has the 400c,i or t, please post what your memory really is and how your 400 came configured as far as the size of the "internal memory" and the size of the memory "card", or even if a card was included and how much memory was/is used by the maps/charts and how much memory is still available?

 

Thanks, Tim

Edited April 2, 2009 by pratzert

[+mattalbr]

I assume that the 73MB is what's left on the internal memory after all the preloaded maps and data. I don't think it comes with a card installed. My Oregon400t did not.

[+g-o-cashers]

73MB would have to be what is left after the preinstalled maps are on the unit. I never received data on the 400c but here is the information for the other units:

 

http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Product+Information#toc5

[pratzert]

73MB would have to be what is left after the preinstalled maps are on the unit. I never received data on the 400c but here is the information for the other units:

 

http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/Product+Information#toc5

 

Ya... 73MB REMAINING FREE is what I figured.

 

The link I gave to the review on gpsmagazine showed all the 400 untis as have 4GB memory.

 

According to the WIKI site you gave, the 400i only has 1.86GB and does not list any size for the 400c.

 

To me... it would make send that they ALL have the same amount of internal memory and that it is 4GB since the maps take up so much memory they would need a good size of internal working memory.

 

Thanks, Tim

[pratzert]

I assume that the 73MB is what's left on the internal memory after all the preloaded maps and data. I don't think it comes with a card installed. My Oregon400t did not.

 

Mattalbr,

 

Thanks..... when you look at your unit when it's plugged into your compiuter with the USB, what does it show as far as memory in the unit and "used" and "available" ?

 

Tim

[+mattalbr]

Tim,

 

This is what the 400T looks like. All of my geocaches are kept on the sd card so they're not using up any unit memory.

 

[pratzert]

Mattalbr,

 

THANKS a bunch for that image.

 

Looks like 4GB of unit/internal memory.

 

What size memory card to you have installed ?

[+mattalbr]

4GB card holds NT2009, geocaches, waypoints, POIs and other miscellaneous files.

 

Matt

[+g-o-cashers]

Keep in mind the different 400's do not necessarily have the same amount of physical memory. Except for the 400c my wiki lists what those values are. The 400t has 4G but the 400i is 2G, I'm guessing the 400c is also 2G because on the CO 400c has 2G I believe.

Edited April 2, 2009 by g-o-cashers

[pratzert]

Keep in mind the different 400's do not necessarily have the same amount of physical memory. Except for the 400c my wiki lists what those values are. The 400t has 4G but the 400i is 2G, I'm guessing the 400c is also 2G because on the CO 400c has 2G I believe.

 

Well Oregon 400c owners ? Can anyone check and verify their amount of memory on the unit ?

 

You'd think if ANYONE can answer the questions, it would be Garmin, but it seems to be harder than making wine out of water to get the information.

 

I am sure it has more than 73MB that they told me......

[eaparks]

The first thing I did when I got my 400c was to back up everything on it to the PC. That file on the PC contains 895 Mb, 48 Fiies, and 7 Folders.

 

For a comparison, I hooked up the GPS to PC and Oregon Drive:// shows 898 Mb with 41.2 Mb of free space. Included in this 898 Mb are 1.14 Mb of Custom Maps; POIs are on memory card. Only the base map (g2 maps) plus my Custom Maps, plus a few custom background .jpgs (which don't take up much room) is all that is on the internal memory.

 

edit: Oregon Drive:// shows capacity as 939 Mb.

Edited April 2, 2009 by eaparks

[pratzert]

This is making me re-think my purchase of the Oregon 400c.

 

I may have been better off getting the 400t if is has such a larger amount of built-in memory.

 

I planned to have the Bluecharts, Topo and CNNA on the unit, so I'd be buying some charts/maps anyway.

 

I assumed that the 400c had at least as much memory as the 400t since the nautical charts are pretty intensely detailed and would require a lot of space.

 

I have not even received it yet, and now, I may be sending it back !

Edited April 2, 2009 by pratzert

[pratzert]

Keep in mind the different 400's do not necessarily have the same amount of physical memory. Except for the 400c my wiki lists what those values are. The 400t has 4G but the 400i is 2G, I'm guessing the 400c is also 2G because on the CO 400c has 2G I believe.

 

Hi g-o-casher.

 

Were you able to physcially confirm those memory amounts yourself ?

 

It seems like there is much conflicting info about the memory in each unit.

 

As I posted earlier, the gpsmagazine site show them all as 4GB.

 

Then your WIKI showed differing amounts in each unit and an unknown amount for the 400c.

 

And to add to the confusion, Garmin comes up with another amount.

 

Like I said, I will probably be sending the 400c bakc and ordering the 400t instead.

 

Thanks, Tim

[pratzert]

The first thing I did when I got my 400c was to back up everything on it to the PC. That file on the PC contains 895 Mb, 48 Fiies, and 7 Folders.

 

For a comparison, I hooked up the GPS to PC and Oregon Drive:// shows 898 Mb with 41.2 Mb of free space. Included in this 898 Mb are 1.14 Mb of Custom Maps; POIs are on memory card. Only the base map (g2 maps) plus my Custom Maps, plus a few custom background .jpgs (which don't take up much room) is all that is on the internal memory.

 

edit: Oregon Drive:// shows capacity as 939 Mb.

 

eaparks,

 

Based on the comments so far, it looks like the 400t has 4GB, the 400i has 2GB, and the 400c has 1GB.

 

I'm shocked ! It's not what I expected.

[eaparks]

This is making me re-think my purchase of the Oregon 400c.

 

I may have been better off getting the 400t if is has such a larger amount of built-in memory.

 

I planned to have the Bluecharts, Topo and CNNA on the unit, so I'd be buying some carts/maps anyway.

 

I assumed that the 400c had at least as much memory as the 400t since the nautical charts are pretty intensely detailed and would require a lot of space.

 

I have not even received it yet, and now, I may be sending it back !

 

I've had the same thoughts as to which is the better choice for how I'll be using it most of the time. I don't have Blue Charts so that is the only reason I keep the 400c. The 400c map segments in addition to the coastal areas includes the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Tennessee River, St. Johns River, FL, Swanee River, Georgia, Cooper River, SC plus others that have commercial navigation. As you know from your Blue Charts, the g2 map segments don't go far in distance from the body of water they are for... therefore a lot of the U.S. does not have g2 charts unlike Topo and U.S. Inland Lakes which both cover the entire U.S. thus accounting for the smaller amount of internal memory. It would be nice if the 400c had the same amount of internal memory as the 400t.

[pratzert]

This is making me re-think my purchase of the Oregon 400c.

 

I may have been better off getting the 400t if is has such a larger amount of built-in memory.

 

I planned to have the Bluecharts, Topo and CNNA on the unit, so I'd be buying some carts/maps anyway.

 

I assumed that the 400c had at least as much memory as the 400t since the nautical charts are pretty intensely detailed and would require a lot of space.

 

I have not even received it yet, and now, I may be sending it back !

 

I've had the same thoughts as to which is the better choice for how I'll be using it most of the time. I don't have Blue Charts so that is the only reason I keep the 400c. The 400c map segments in addition to the coastal areas includes the Great Lakes, Mississippi River, Tennessee River, St. Johns River, FL, Swanee River, Georgia, Cooper River, SC plus others that have commercial navigation. As you know from your Blue Charts, the g2 map segments don't go far in distance from the body of water they are for... therefore a lot of the U.S. does not have g2 charts unlike Topo and U.S. Inland Lakes which both cover the entire U.S. thus accounting for the smaller amount of internal memory. It would be nice if the 400c had the same amount of internal memory as the 400t.

 

I agree....

 

I just found this blurb at the Crutchfield.com web site about the 400c.

 

QUOTE:"24 MB Built-In Memory Preloaded Maps: The Garmin Oregon 400c features a 24 MB built-in memory and is preloaded with the MapSource World Base Map and US Bluechart g2 Map. ": UNQUOTE

 

Talk about mis-information !

[Grasscatcher]

Please excuse if this is out in "left field"....

 

I know there have been cases where users have accidently deleted their pre-installed maps and have been able to re-install them by ( I believe) getting a new "image" file from Garmin.

 

Couldn't that be done "intentionally"also? Then couldn't a "c" file be put into a "t" unit?

 

Sorry if it's just a goofy idea that won't work.

[pratzert]

Please excuse if this is out in "left field"....

 

I know there have been cases where users have accidently deleted their pre-installed maps and have been able to re-install them by ( I believe) getting a new "image" file from Garmin.

 

Couldn't that be done "intentionally"also? Then couldn't a "c" file be put into a "t" unit?

 

Sorry if it's just a goofy idea that won't work.

 

Grasschatcher, good thought... but

 

The type of maps/charts on the unit is specifically tied to the serial number of the unit.

 

Garmin knows what maps/charts are on which serial numbers.

 

If I go ahead and return the 400c and buy the 400t, I'll just have to bite the bullet and buy the g2 BlueCharts or the Regular Bluecharts.

Edited April 2, 2009 by pratzert

[pratzert]

I found another sire that claims the 400c has a "Hard Drive" which is 850MB large.

 

 

Garmin Oregon 400c

By James Hutchinson

GoodGearGuide

October 21, 2008 12:00am

Rating:

 

Price: $749

 

Features:

Screen resolution: 240x400

GPS accuracy: 5m

Screen size: 3"

Hard drive storage capacity: 850MB

Supported memory media: Micro-SD

[eaparks]

It seems like I vaguely remember somewhere along the line in all the updates that Garmin stated with the newer software version would reduce the amount of internal memory available for maps. This could account for the difference from Garmin stating 73 Mb and me actually seeing 41 Mb of internal memory available. I may be incorrect, I just don't remember any details or which update I thought I saw it in.

 

edit: All of these great software updates that Garmin is doing and most are approximately 3 Mb would start to eat into the available memory if 73 Mb is all you start with being available.

Edited April 2, 2009 by eaparks

[eaparks]

Please excuse if this is out in "left field"....

 

I know there have been cases where users have accidently deleted their pre-installed maps and have been able to re-install them by ( I believe) getting a new "image" file from Garmin.

 

Couldn't that be done "intentionally"also? Then couldn't a "c" file be put into a "t" unit?

 

Sorry if it's just a goofy idea that won't work.

 

 

I've wondered that exact same thing.

[pratzert]

It seems like I vaguely remember somewhere along the line in all the updates that Garmin stated with the newer software version would reduce the amount of internal memory available for maps. This could account for the difference from Garmin stating 73 Mb and me actually seeing 41 Mb of internal memory available. I may be incorrect, I just don't remember any details or which update I thought I saw it in.

 

edit: All of these great software updates that Garmin is doing and most are approximately 3 Mb would start to eat into the available memory if 73 Mb is all you start with being available.

 

Yes... that could be a concern with all of the updates/improvements Garmin is making on the Oregon 400 units.

[+g-o-cashers]

 

Hi g-o-casher.

 

Were you able to physcially confirm those memory amounts yourself ?

 

It seems like there is much conflicting info about the memory in each unit.

 

As I posted earlier, the gpsmagazine site show them all as 4GB.

 

Then your WIKI showed differing amounts in each unit and an unknown amount for the 400c.

 

And to add to the confusion, Garmin comes up with another amount.

 

Like I said, I will probably be sending the 400c bakc and ordering the 400t instead.

 

Thanks, Tim

 

The 400t I have verified myself. The 400i is based on similar threads here on Groundspeak and the wiki where multiple people have verified that it was 2GB. A user on my wiki also verified that their 400c is 1GB, they had more free space but it was an Aussie version with different maps.

 

http://garminoregon.wikispaces.com/message...w/home/10797524

 

So I think the internal memory numbers (size/free space) are as follows roughly (for both CO and OR):

 

200: 24MB/24MB

300: 1GB/850MB

400t: 4GB/1GB

400c: 1GB/70MB

400i: 2GB/270MB

 

Keep in mind as you archive tracklog data you will chew up 20MB that would account for some of the differences between new units and ones which have seen some use.

 

There isn't anything that prevents you from loading a map image from one onto another unit other than space. I've loaded 400i maps onto my 400t and it worked.

[pratzert]

There isn't anything that prevents you from loading a map image from one onto another unit other than space. I've loaded 400i maps onto my 400t and it worked.

 

I guess the big questions is... How can I get the "image" of the g2 Bluecharts to load onto the Oregon 400t ?

[pratzert]

I just got two replies from Garmin about how much memory is in the different Oregon 400 units.

 

Here is the text:

 

#1.) QUOTE: "Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

The internal memory of the units are all different. The 400T has 1gb of internal memory, the 400i has 37mb. Unfortunately I do not know how they are going to handle the updates for the g2 moving forward. I do apologize. " :UNQUOTE

 

#2.) QUOTE: "

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

The 400i has 37MB of internal memory and the 400T has 1GB of memory." : UNQUOTE

 

So Garmin says the 400t has 1GB, the 400c has 73MB, and the 400i has 37MB.

 

Now to me... this STILL does not sound quite right when many other says that the 400t for sure has 4GB. The Tech at Garmin must really mean "remaining" memory for other thinsg to be loaded such as POI's other maps/charts.

 

So the Tech still not really answer my question.

 

What do you all think ?

 

I would want as much "internal" memory as possible. I guess I am going to send the 400c back and buy the 400t and then figure out how to get the img from the 400c to load on the 400t for the g2 charts.

[pratzert]

Tim,

 

This is what the 400T looks like. All of my geocaches are kept on the sd card so they're not using up any unit memory.

 

 

Man.. it would sure be nice if some with the 400c could take that same picture and post it !

[Grasscatcher]

"I would want as much "internal" memory as possible. I guess I am going to send the 400c back and buy the 400t and then figure out how to get the img from the 400c to load on the 400t for the g2 charts.

What do you all think ?"

In answer to your question....... I would think that EVERY RESPONSIBLE Colorado or Oregon owner would have, by now, "Backed up" their image files, just in case they messed up and deleted them from their units.

 

You take it from there.........

[pratzert]

"I would want as much "internal" memory as possible. I guess I am going to send the 400c back and buy the 400t and then figure out how to get the img from the 400c to load on the 400t for the g2 charts.

What do you all think ?"

In answer to your question....... I would think that EVERY RESPONSIBLE Colorado or Oregon owner would have, by now, "Backed up" their image files, just in case they messed up and deleted them from their units.

 

You take it from there.........

 

Grasscatcher.... Got it !

 

Good advice..... Not only for the GPS units where possible, but ALL files.

 

Thanks for the tip..... Tim

[pratzert]

NEWS FLASH !!!!!

 

Here is the latest response I got from Garmin.

 

QUOTE: "Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

 

The memory I have quoted you is what is remaining after the pre-loaded maps. They all have the same amount of memory before the maps are loaded onto them.

 

If you should have any further questions or concerns, please feel free to contact us. ": UNQUOTE

 

Now we're getting closer to the truth. But WHY is it so darn hard for them to just come out and answer my question.

 

I have asked several times how much memory the units have BEFORE any maps/charts are loaded on them.

 

They keep spitting out the REMAINING memory AFTER the maps/charts are loaded.

 

This latest response indicates that ALL of the Oregon 400 units start out with the same amount of internal memory.

 

I shot back one last email begging them to tell me what that amount is that they stated is the same for all the Oregon 400 units.

 

I'll let you know what I hear next.....

[Grasscatcher]

NO....the "NEWS FLASH" is only that they came back with an answer closer to what you want to believe......NOT that there is any proof that they are any closer to actual facts.....

 

The only sure way to know is for different ones that actually have each variety to post the same type data for each that Mattalbr did for the 400t above.

[fnq2]

Hi my 400c has...

drive G

used space 392 MB

free space 546 MB

 

capacity 939 MB

 

this is with update 2.95 installed

and thank the gods 2.95 cured the shut down problem

[eaparks]

Hi my 400c has...

drive G

used space 392 MB

free space 546 MB

 

capacity 939 MB

 

this is with update 2.95 installed

and thank the gods 2.95 cured the shut down problem

 

On my 400c in the U.S. the g2 charts have 890 Mb in the maps. gmapprom = 890 Mb. Looks like internal memory capacity is the same, Mine also 939 Mb. What is the file size of your gmapprom for Australia?

Edited April 4, 2009 by eaparks

[eaparks]

Man.. it would sure be nice if some with the 400c could take that same picture and post it !

 

Oregon 400c

 

[fnq2]

Hi, eeparks

 

gmapsupp.img

 

1.34 GB (1,440,481,280 bytes)

 

hope thats the one

 

roger

 

edit oopss

 

gmapprom.img

384 MB (402,653,184 bytes)

Edited April 5, 2009 by fnq2

[eaparks]

Hi, eeparks

 

gmapsupp.img

 

1.34 GB (1,440,481,280 bytes)

 

hope thats the one

 

roger

 

 

The gmapsupp.img files are the maps that you store on the unit. Either in the internal memory or on the memory card. The gmapprom.img file is the factory installed map that comes on the unit. I was curious as to the size of the Australia Blue Charts.

 

Thanks

[pratzert]

Man.. it would sure be nice if some with the 400c could take that same picture and post it !

 

Oregon 400c

 

 

It looks like, from loolking at that, that the installed memory is nearly 1GB, But it only shows 42MB as "Free" and that doesn't match what Garmin said was the "Free" memoery... Garmin told me it was 73MB free.

 

It's disgusting that Garmin themselves, cannot give the facts about their units.

[pratzert]

I wonder why there is a 506MB difference between the two gmapproms ?

 

fng2 has a 400c and his gmapprom is 384MB.

 

eaparks has a 400c and his gmapprom is 890MB.

 

Does fng2 have some abbreviated version or a corrupted version.

 

I have read a couple reports that the g2 charts are about 890MB.

 

But still.... how come the difference ?

[pratzert]

Last week I tried my luck calling Garmin Tech Support several times and ended up getting the same sort of gibberish from them as I have been gettin gin the emails.

 

But I found one guy who seemed to understand what I was trying to learn.

 

He said the info in front of him did not show that info and that he would have to talk to some of his fellow workers to try to get the info.

 

he said that perhaps, it was "proprietary". I explained that anyone with a computer and the USB could generally find out this info. He argued that there are ways to hide it if Garmin wanted it hidden.

 

In any event... he took my phone number and said he would find out the information and call me back.

 

I figured that wa the end of the story and I'd never get a call from him.

 

To my pleasant surpise.. I just got a call from him. (Tyler).

 

He stated that the raw factory installed memory on the Oregon 40o series was indeed different for each unit.

 

He stated that the memory was: 400t = 4GB, 400i = 2GB, 400c = 1GB. This was before any data was loaded onto the units.

 

He was as surprised as I was to learn the 400c actuallly has the Least amount of memory.

 

He said that the memory being installed could change in the future. But for now... that was it.

 

Now... no doubt about it.... I am definately returning the 400c and ordering the 400t.

 

Unfortunately, the 400t has been consistantly running about $50 more than the 400c.

 

Oh well.... gotta do, what I gotta do.

[+g-o-cashers]

 

It looks like, from loolking at that, that the installed memory is nearly 1GB, But it only shows 42MB as "Free" and that doesn't match what Garmin said was the "Free" memoery... Garmin told me it was 73MB free.

 

Keep in mind that free space changes after the user starts using the GPS so Garmin might be correct for a brand new unit. The unit will store about 20MB of tracklog data if you've been using if for a while.

 

I wonder why there is a 506MB difference between the two gmapproms ?

 

fng2 has a 400c and his gmapprom is 384MB.

 

eaparks has a 400c and his gmapprom is 890MB.

 

Does fng2 have some abbreviated version or a corrupted version.

 

I have read a couple reports that the g2 charts are about 890MB.

 

But still.... how come the difference ?

 

fng2 has the Australian maps, eaparks has US maps.

[pratzert]

 

fng2 has the Australian maps, eaparks has US maps.

 

That explains it ! Thanks.... I didn't notice it.

[eaparks]

It looks like, from loolking at that, that the installed memory is nearly 1GB, But it only shows 42MB as "Free" and that doesn't match what Garmin said was the "Free" memoery... Garmin told me it was 73MB free.

One of 2 things I expect is the case here. The 73 Mb of free space is probably correct for when the unit first went on the market. There have been software v2.85, 2.86, 2.93, 2.94, & 2.95, and possibly something prior to v2.85 (I don't know what software the very first units had). All of these have added additional features to the unit, especially the 2.94 & 2.95. The 41.2 Mb of free memory I posted is with v2.95 Beta. So my guess is that the 73 Mb applied origianally but as of the latest beta ver. no longer applies. Or Garmin's data is as of the last non-Beta version.

edit: If the t & i units were checked as closely I would expect the discrepancy there, also. Of course, I'm strictly speculating.

Edited April 6, 2009 by eaparks

[pratzert]

It looks like, from loolking at that, that the installed memory is nearly 1GB, But it only shows 42MB as "Free" and that doesn't match what Garmin said was the "Free" memoery... Garmin told me it was 73MB free.

One of 2 things I expect is the case here. The 73 Mb of free space is probably correct for when the unit first went on the market. There have been software v2.85, 2.86, 2.93, 2.94, & 2.95, and possibly something prior to v2.85 (I don't know what software the very first units had). All of these have added additional features to the unit, especially the 2.94 & 2.95. The 41.2 Mb of free memory I posted is with v2.95 Beta. So my guess is that the 73 Mb applied origianally but as of the latest beta ver. no longer applies. Or Garmin's data is as of the last non-Beta version.

edit: If the t & i units were checked as closely I would expect the discrepancy there, also. Of course, I'm strictly speculating.

 

That makes perfect sense to me.... thanks.

 

Tim