Garmin GPSmap 60CSX sw verson 3.90

1.2k · April 4, 2009

I don't think so. I still see WAAS satellites; there is just no D.

I agree, I had a solid lock on 51 with 3.90, but no "D"'s. Does that mean the unit was using the corrections, but just not displaying the "D''s? I am not expert enough to answer that question, just wondering if anyone knows.

April 4, 2009

Thanks iamasmith. What about the procedure for doing a factory reset?

IIRC Hold down Quit,Menu and Zoom out whilst powering on the unit

Sorry, that is not correct. The correct procedure is: Press and hold the PAGE and ENTER buttons while powering on the unit.

April 4, 2009

Sorry, but it was correct. Here's an e-mail I received a while back from Garmin Tech Support on the 60CSx:

If this does not help with the issue, as a last resort you can do a
Master Reset to the device. This will wipe out any corrupt data that

may be affecting the device and not clearing out when the device

defaults.

1.) Power OFF the device.

2.) Press and hold QUIT, MENU, OUT and POWER at the same time. The

buttons can be pressed in any sequence, as long as POWER is the last

button you press.

3.) The device will boot up.

4.) Check to see if any of your data still remains within the device.

It is any of that data remains, then the reset did not take and try it

again. If you no longer have any waypoints, tracks, etc. then the reset

took effect and everything should be back to its factory setting.

Bob

Edited April 4, 2009 by Bob Morphew

April 4, 2009

Yeah, a good indication that you did a proper factory reset is that the Garmin HQ waypoint that you deleted when you first got the unit comes back.

April 4, 2009

Sorry, but it was correct. Here's an e-mail I received a while back from Garmin Tech Support on the 60CSx:

And you’re gonna trust those guys??!!

Just kidding. Thanks for posting the quote from the email. I stand corrected that the procedure posted by iamasmith does work. But you could have saved me a lot of time researching to reply if you had mentioned that the method I posted also works. In my search for documentation to support my method, I eventually came across a post by none other than yourself in this thread. Until now, I wasn't aware there was more than one method to perform a factory reset, and since iamasmith seemed to be going from memory, I thought he had remembered wrong. My apologies to iamasmith.

If I read your post in that other thread correctly, the method posted by iamasmith does not produce the prompt: “Do you really want to erase all user data? No/Yes”, whereas the method I posted does. The one I posted dates back to the 60/67C(S) non-x series, but works the same in the x models. Still, Garmin must have had some reason to implement a different key sequence, so it may be that there is some other difference between the methods.

April 4, 2009

Well, I did my own field test of software version 3.90 on my 76CSx, and not only are the "D"s missing from the satellite page, but Galaxy 15 (WAAS #48) is shown to be much further west than it really is.

So, I decided to downgrade back to 3.70, but ended up losing all of my waypoints, routes and settings in the process. Luckily I had a backup of my waypoints and routes on my computer, and restored from there.

Edited April 4, 2009 by DENelson83

April 4, 2009

I don't think so. I still see WAAS satellites; there is just no D.

I agree, I had a solid lock on 51 with 3.90, but no "D"'s. Does that mean the unit was using the corrections, but just not displaying the "D''s? I am not expert enough to answer that question, just wondering if anyone knows.

If you have a serial cable, you can look at the $GPGGA messages coming out. If the quality field is '2' or higher, it should be correcting.

April 5, 2009

Any suggestions on how to go back to 3.70?

Thanks.

April 5, 2009

I just looked at the 60csx manual and there is no mention of "D's" that I can find. Maybe the "D" means degraded and they fixed WAAS.

1.2k · April 5, 2009

Any suggestions on how to go back to 3.70?

Thanks.

My post #11 has a link where you can download 3.70, but as I said, you may need to join the Yahoo group. It is a 76 series group, but 3.70 is the same for the 60csx.

April 5, 2009

... But you could have saved me a lot of time researching to reply if you had mentioned that the method I posted also works. ...

Depends what you mean by "works".

Iamasmith was describing a "Factory Reset" which reboots the GPS, resets the Options to Factory settings, and wipes out all the User Data.

The key presses you described are for a "Hard Reset" which pops up a screen asking if you want to delete User data - if you say NO, then it just reboots and leaves the User data and options settings the same.

Bob

April 5, 2009

Any suggestions on how to go back to 3.70?

Thanks.

Here's the link. Make sure to back up all of your waypoints, routes and tracks before downgrading.

April 5, 2009

... But you could have saved me a lot of time researching to reply if you had mentioned that the method I posted also works. ...

Depends what you mean by "works".

Iamasmith was describing a "Factory Reset" which reboots the GPS, resets the Options to Factory settings, and wipes out all the User Data.

The key presses you described are for a "Hard Reset" which pops up a screen asking if you want to delete User data - if you say NO, then it just reboots and leaves the User data and options settings the same.

What I mean by “works” is that it executes exactly the same procedure on the unit: resets the options to factory settings, and wipes out all the user data. Of course you have to answer “Yes” at the prompt using the method I described. I may be wrong about this, but I always thought that if you answer “No” at the prompt you are just aborting the procedure, and the unit boots up normally. No reset is performed, other that what happens every time you turn the unit on normally.

If that isn’t correct, the only other thing I can think of that could be effected by a reset that doesn’t wipe out user data and return the settings to their defaults would be to wipe out the almanac and ephemeris data. That doesn’t seem to happen, since the unit doesn’t say “Locating Satellites” after booting up. If no data is lost, I can’t think of any reason why Garmin wouldn’t just build whatever such a reset would do into the normal boot sequence. It would seem to have no downside. If it has a beneficial effect on the unit, and no downside, why require the user to initiate it manually?

I’ve seen the terms “factory reset”, “hard reset”, and “master reset” thrown around for years. As far as I’ve been able to tell, they all refer to a procedure that resets the options to factory settings, and wipes out all the user data.

April 5, 2009

I'm having the same never ending beep problem as iamasmith when powering down with a 2GB card installed. Doesn't happen with a 64MB card.

I have 3 x 2Gb SanDisk MicroSD cards

Card A: Gives power off issue and gives periodic hangs. Made in China.

Card B: Gives power off issue but no hangs during limited testing. Made in China.

Card C: Work perfectly. Made in Taiwan.

I read on another discussion group that reformatting the card solves many of these problems. Has anyone tried this to confirm whether any of these 3.90 card-related problems are solved by reformatting?

April 5, 2009

After reading everyone's posts here...it sounds like to me....NOT to upgrade to 3.90....therfore advoiding any problems or unsatisifactory results and also not having to resort back to 3.70. Can anyone see any real purpose of this upgrade to make it worth all the mess? In fact...what is the purpose of this upgrade???

Edited April 5, 2009 by bjab

April 5, 2009

I upgraded my 60CSX to 3.90. Put new Ray-O-Vac Alkaline batteries in, recalibrated the compass and went Geocaching for a number of hours and found 11 out of 15.

I did see that it locked on to more Sattelites...but #18 had it's ups and downs....and no "D"'s.

Mine has a 2 gig sans card in it with the whole USA loaded on it...and it performed basically as it always does...no hangups, no bad shutdowns...nothing different.

April 5, 2009

"Can anyone see any real purpose of this upgrade to make it worth all the mess?"

For me there is no purpose, but no harm either. The performance of my 60CSx does not appear to be any better or worse on 3.90 than 3.70.

1.8k · April 6, 2009

Regarding the v.3.90 update and WAAS, I see my normal two WAAS birds (without "D"s) that start as a hollow bar, then become a solid bar as (I assume) corrections begin to be applied. I had contacted Garmin several times asking what's up, and today received an answer, if you can call it that. Below is Techsupp's reply;

Thank you for contacting Garmin International.

It is my pleasure to assist you. I certainly understand your concern.

While the "D" symbols have been eliminated, the WAAS corrections are

still taking place.

With Best Regards,

(name omitted)

Product Support Specialist

April 6, 2009

Well, once when speaking to Garmin support and asking about WAAS/EGNOS on my Oregon the tech thought that model didn't display Ds at all. Well it does, however, confirmation by Garmin tech and a report of a full lock on the WAAS bird with NO corrections is a little too far fetched. Sounds like this is reasonable confirmation they changed it.

WHY?, are they going to take the satellite view page next because 'people find it confusing'? :S

Edited April 6, 2009 by iamasmith

April 6, 2009

I greedily upgraded about 5 minutes before seeing this thread, and other than reloading my maps, which I was going to do anyway, my unit worked as well as it ever has on a 4.5-hour, 4 for 4 cache outing yesterday.

April 10, 2009

Perhaps it's me, but has anybody noticed that the colors on the satellite page seem to shift and change? I didn't totally pay attention when I had 3.70 on my unit, but after upgrading, I'm noticing the colors changing on the satellite strength bars. Can anybody corroborate this?

Edited April 10, 2009 by pokeylicious

April 10, 2009

What colors? As far as I can tell, on my 76, the bars are all the same light blue once they are acquired...

April 10, 2009

I think pokeylicious means when you have turned on color display for the bars (hit menu on the satellite screen).

9.2k · April 10, 2009

The "D" issue was probably done to cut down on service questions about it, for those who won't read the manual.

Can anyone who's upgraded tell me if the EPE (error) circle is still displayed on the mapping screen? Since that was removed in newer models, I can see where they might want to remove it on the 60 as well. I'm sure it also generated a lot of calls to tech support.

April 11, 2009

Yep, the EPE circle is still there on 3.90

April 11, 2009

The "D" issue was probably done to cut down on service questions about it, for those who won't read the manual.

Can anyone who's upgraded tell me if the EPE (error) circle is still displayed on the mapping screen? Since that was removed in newer models, I can see where they might want to remove it on the 60 as well. I'm sure it also generated a lot of calls to tech support.

Nowhere is the meaning of the "D" on the satellite bars explained in the owners manual.

April 11, 2009

Can someone explain to me what the meaning of the "D" is?

April 11, 2009

I'm having the same never ending beep problem as iamasmith when powering down with a 2GB card installed. Doesn't happen with a 64MB card. Where can I find instructions for doing a factory reset and downgrading the unit software to version 3.70? I am using a Mac.

I had this same problem when updating my 60CSx. I ran WebUpdater twice and the problem persisted. I finally removed the 2GB card and ran WebUpdater again. Now all is well, I think. How do I tell if the chipset firmware has been updated?

Edited April 11, 2009 by Doug in Alaska

April 11, 2009

Can someone explain to me what the meaning of the "D" is?

The unit is receiving corrected ephemeris data from WAAS/EGNOS for that satellite and is applying that data for that satellite.

The D symbol is useful in that you know at least that the unit IS receiving corrected ephemeris data. Since the WAAS/EGNOS birds aren't actually part of the GPS constellation and are geostationary if you receive a full signal bar on them then you might assume that you are receiving corrections but that relies on you knowing the bird numbers that you are likely to see in the area you are in (not too difficult) and doesn't actually tell you what satellites are being corrected by the transmission from the WAAS/EGNOS birds.

Edited April 11, 2009 by iamasmith

April 11, 2009

..I had this same problem when updating my 60CSx. I ran WebUpdater twice and the problem persisted. I finally removed the 2GB card and ran WebUpdater again. Now all is well, I think. How do I tell if the chipset firmware has been updated?

You mean the GPS firmware as well as the base software?

Same area as the software version, go into Setup->System, hit Menu and select Software Version.

3.90 should have GPS SW (firmware) version 3.00s whilst 3.70 has 3.00.

April 11, 2009

You mean the GPS firmware as well as the base software?

Same area as the software version, go into Setup->System, hit Menu and select Software Version.

3.90 should have GPS SW (firmware) version 3.00s whilst 3.70 has 3.00.

Thank you!

9.2k · April 12, 2009

Can someone explain to me what the meaning of the "D" is?

The "D" stands for Differential. It means the differential correction information has been received, and has been applied to the data of those satellites marked with a "D".

April 12, 2009

Perhaps it's me, but has anybody noticed that the colors on the satellite page seem to shift and change? I didn't totally pay attention when I had 3.70 on my unit, but after upgrading, I'm noticing the colors changing on the satellite strength bars. Can anybody corroborate this?

I know what you're talking about. When the satellite page is set to "multicolor", some of the satellite icons are actually changing colour, some more than once.

April 12, 2009

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If you have a serial cable, you can look at the $GPGGA messages coming out. If the quality field is '2' or higher, it should be correcting.

Actually if you have Windows you don't need a serial cable for this bit. Just install Garmin Spanner from the Garmin Web Site, start it up and it creates a virtual com port that you can watch when your unit is plugged into the USB port.

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a Mac version that I have seen.

April 12, 2009

Wow, the exact same thing happens to me after updating to 3.9!! I guess it is good that I am not alone with this problem.

Just downloaded and installed it. Took a trip around town and now every time it recalculates a route, the screen fades out and the unit shuts off. Definitely going back to 3.70

April 12, 2009

I always love the misdirections problems take. And everyone always suggests the batteries.

It is NOT the batteries. Unless of course you want to believe the batteries only come loose or fail when the unit was recalculating the 40 times on my trip. And of course I was using the USB power source to boot.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Just downloaded and installed it. Took a trip around town and now every time it recalculates a route, the screen fades out and the unit shuts off. Definitely going back to 3.70

A user in the 76C Yahoo group reports that his unit successfully recalculated a route without any problem after upgrading to 3.90. Any chance your problem could have been low batteries?

April 13, 2009

I always love the misdirections problems take. And everyone always suggests the batteries.

It is NOT the batteries. Unless of course you want to believe the batteries only come loose or fail when the unit was recalculating the 40 times on my trip. And of course I was using the USB power source to boot.

Thanks for the suggestion though.

Just downloaded and installed it. Took a trip around town and now every time it recalculates a route, the screen fades out and the unit shuts off. Definitely going back to 3.70

A user in the 76C Yahoo group reports that his unit successfully recalculated a route without any problem after upgrading to 3.90. Any chance your problem could have been low batteries?

The suggestion to which you refer was made two weeks ago, it wasn’t directed to you, and at the time it was made, much less was known about this problem. Given that some people were not having any problems with shutdowns on recalculation, it was reasonable to consider other possibilities at that time. Since then it has become obvious that there are a number of issues with this firmware release, and it’s clear that the batteries aren’t involved.

I don’t know why you even thought it appropriate to bring this up after all this time.

April 25, 2009

Interestingly, I just bought a 60CSX, and it came with 3.80 firmware on it, not 3.70 or 3.90. It does have the WAAS "d"s on the satellite screen. I don't know if this version was ever available for download or what is different.

April 25, 2009

Change History

Changes made from version 3.70 to 3.90:

◦Added support for maps greater than 2 GB.

I ran mine through the web updater and it also upgraded the GPS software to version 3.00s.

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1245

I just bought a refurbished 60CSx. How can I tell what version it contains!

April 25, 2009

I just bought a refurbished 60CSx. How can I tell what version it contains!

Press MENU>MENU>Setup>System>MENU>Software Version

April 26, 2009

Again, I upraded impulsively, but I haven't had any issues at all since the upgrade, and I've actually used my GPSr way more than normal lately.

April 26, 2009

Anybody else lose the "D"'s in there signal strength bars when receiving WAAS or EGNOS?

Pardon my ignorance but as a new 60CSx user what is/are "D" in this discussion thread?

I have no idea what they are talking about.

Thank you

April 26, 2009

The "D" on the sattelite position screen will show a D on the level indicators on the bottom of the bar's to indicate when you are recieving WAAS signal.

April 27, 2009

I've used mine since updating on April 5....not a problem.

Last week I put on the 2009 City Navigator (Whole USA)....and still no problems.

April 27, 2009

I too greedily upgraded to 3.9 after just getting mine a week ago. I wanted to make sure I had all the newest updates and firmware.

I'm running a 16 GB card in it with all the detailed road and topo maps of Canada in it with no problems so far (knock on wood). I have full use of USB Mass Storage and haven't had it reset or recalculate when driving around.

Edited April 27, 2009 by nicodeemus

April 27, 2009

PRE: 3.90: "The "D" on the sattelite position screen will show a D on the level indicators on the bottom of the bar's to indicate when you are recieving WAAS signal."

Post 3.90: "There is no longer a "D" on the satelite position screen to indicate when you are recieving WAAS signal."

April 28, 2009

I tried the 3.90 and has worked great for me this past week. I am actually go and look for some geocaches this week and feel confident it will work fine as it took me to some of my waypoints I have saved.

May 5, 2009

Hmmm.

Think I'll wait until things settle down before I update mine. I like the 'D's and the unit is working absolutely fine on 3.70/3.00 as was out caching yesterday.

(Was actually looking for the master reset key presses and Quit-Menu-Out-Power hold thing worked no problem - thanks for that info!).

Edited May 5, 2009 by Yearofthegoat

May 6, 2009

I updated to 3.90 and took the 60CSx on a hike last week. The hike was in a wooded mountain valley. I got the Lost Reception message a couple of times. When I downloaded the track at home I found two track segments with a 1800 ft gap between.

I have not gotten the Lost Reception message before while out hiking and have not seen a gap it tracks like this before. In the past I have seen long straight segments, where I figured it had poor reception and was just connecting the dots.

Of course, this all could have been due to the particular location, but my impression is that with 3.90 it’s more willing to acknowledge poor / lost reception.

Has anyone else had a similar experience?

May 6, 2009

I hope everyone sent off an email to Garmin expressing their opinions and review and discoveries of v 3.90.

Let them know we're not happy with the loss of our differential signal indicators !

Garmin GPSmap 60CSX sw verson 3.90

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