Clan Riffster Posted December 7, 2009 Share Posted December 7, 2009 Few if any would attend and it would be so roundly ridiculed that no one else would try it, end of problem. As I know the cachers in my area, (from hosting many events), I'm betting it would have a large turnout. Us Central Florida cachers tend to have a pretty good sense of humor. (Heck, they need a sense of humor to tolerate me...) Quote Link to comment
+geodarts Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) Wouldn't it have been much more effective, easier and brought more attention to their cause if they could have posted a "Trail Building Day in YouGottaWork State Park" event? We had an officially recognized "Broom Out" caching event to remove invasive scotch broom from an open space area. Like citoing with plants. I tend to think a trail building event would be similarly allowed, but it might depend on the area. Since the open space agency has never officially recognized anything other than an earthcache (despite the many traditionals that have been placed on various lands), it was nice to have a "geocaching event" that contributed to the park and brought the game to people's attention in a positive way. Edited December 8, 2009 by Erickson Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 The trail building event wasn't a good example, since it likely would have been approved. I was just working with what was presented to me to make the point that had it been a listed event it would have drawn more volunteers to help with 'the cause'... whatever the cause might be. Quote Link to comment
4wheelin_fool Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I think this birthday contest, and the prize money it gave away, represent a serious abuse of the police power of government. The real question is: Do you, as a taxpayer, need to be privy to how the Department of Defense conducts investigations? If the government creates an experiment to test how many social network groups are operating in the US, any of which could possibly grow large enough to topple the government in an effort to create mass chaos and the eventual takeover of the United States by a foreign entity causing the infrastructure of the free market system to collapse and to have the US run like a 3rd world country, does the taxpayer really need to be "socially aware" of the actual reason? Do you think it could be possible that the groups that participated in the event are being investigated to see if they could possibly have another agenda in place? You should rest easy that the victor used capitalism as a tool to win, rather than another "socialist" type of entity. If the government used another method to investigate, I'm certain it would have cost plenty more than $40K. Must the government always be viewed in a pessimistic way? Is there any type of government that can satisfy the wants of the public? or must it be constantly condemned, despite being one of the most sucessful? People who are not thankful for what they have already often lose the very things that they take for granted, making any situation much worse, rather than improving it... So last weekend's tax money giveaway, the one that only appeared to be an expensive birthday party favor, is really a cleverly-disguised scheme to root out Al Qaida – and I should learn to be more patriotic by shutting up and getting the hell out of the way? Interesting theory. I can’t wait to hear more. Please, do go on. I never mentioned Al Qaida. And I happen to dislike bogus taxpayer programs probably as much as you do. You have to carefully analyze each one. This program was funded by the Defense Department, they are not going to announce their ulterior motives and skew the results if there was another investigation going on. Here is a list of active hate groups as of 9 years ago: ALABAMA (39) Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Anniston League of the South Atalla League of the South Auburn Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Birmingham Council of Conservative Citizens Birmingham League of the South Birmingham Nation of Islam Birmingham National Organization for European American Rights Childersburg Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Clanton League of the South Emelle America's Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Eva American Nazi Party Foley Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Gadsden America's Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Hartselle National Association for the Advancement of White People Hartselle Council of Conservative Citizens Huntsville Southern Cross Militant Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Ider Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Jasper Council of Conservative Citizens Jasper America's Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Midland City Council of Conservative Citizens Mobile League of the South Montgomery Nation of Islam Montgomery Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Moody Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Pelham Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Robertsdale Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Satsuma Underground Skinhead Action Satsuma League of the South Selma Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Springville Sonnenkinder Kindred Springville League of the South Spruce Pine Southern Cross Militant Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Sylvania League of the South Tuscaloosa (2) Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Valley Southern Cross Militant Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Valley Head Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Wilton League of the South York ALASKA (1) Women for Aryan Unity Eagle River ARIZONA (8) National Organization for European American Rights World Church of the Creator Florence Hammerskin Nation Glendale Hammerskin Nation Mesa World Church of the Creator Mesa National Alliance Phoenix Underground Skinhead Action Tucson World Church of the Creator Tucson ARKANSAS (18) World Church of the Creator Cabot American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Cedarville Christian Research Eureka Springs Kingdom Identity Ministries Harrison Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Harrison American Front Harrison Council of Conservative Citizens Little Rock Crusade for Christ Little Rock National Alliance Little Rock Invisible Empire National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Luxora Imperial Klans of America Magnolia League of the South Mayflower International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Parkin RangerSkin Nation Pine Bluff World Church of the Creator Pine Bluff Imperial Klans of America Plainview South Arkansas Knights Smackover National Alliance Uniontown CALIFORNIA (29) National Alliance Alleghany Underground Skinhead Action Arvin World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Carmichael Underground Skinhead Action Ceres Women for Aryan Unity Costa Mesa Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Escondido White Aryan Resistance Fallbrook Hammerskin Nation Hemet Underground Skinhead Action Long Beach House of David Los Angeles Nation of Islam Los Angeles World Church of the Creator Manhattan Beach Ministry of Christ Church Mariposa Jubilee Midpines National Socialist Movement Monrovia National Organization for European American Rights Novato Nation of Islam Oakland Imperial Klans of America Red Rock Canyon Hammerskin Nation Riverside Council of Conservative Citizens Sacramento National Alliance Sacramento Hammerskin Nation San Diego Nation of Islam San Francisco National Socialist Movement San Francisco League of the South San Jose World Church of the Creator Seal Beach Voices of Citizens Together Sherman Oaks World Church of the Creator Sierra Madre World Church of the Creator Tehachapi COLORADO (7) American Third Position Arvada Underground Skinhead Action Battlement Mesa Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance De Beque Melchizedek Vigilance Denver National Alliance Denver Scriptures for America Ministries LaPorte MSR Productions Wheat Ridge CONNECTICUT (3) World Church of the Creator Fairfield World Church of the Creator Hawleyville World Church of the Creator Wallingford DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA (3) Nation of Islam Washington National Organization for European American Rights Washington New Black Panther Party Washington DELAWARE (2) International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan New Castle Hammerskin Nation Wilmington FLORIDA (39) League of the South Apopka National Alliance Boca Raton Council of Conservative Citizens Boynton Beach National Association for the Advancement of White People Callahan World Church of the Creator Chipley Imperial Klans of America Crestview League of the South Crystal River World Church of the Creator Davie World Church of the Creator Defuniak Springs League of the South Ebro Nation of Islam Ft. Lauderdale League of the South Hillsborough County Council of Conservative Citizens Jacksonville Hammerskin Nation Jacksonville NAAWP Florida Chapter Inc. Jacksonville Sigrdrifa Jacksonville Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Kissimmee Nation of Islam Miami World Church of the Creator Milton World Church of the Creator Monticello League of the South Naples League of the South Niceville World Church of the Creator Okeechobee American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Orlando National Alliance Orlando League of the South Palm Beach County League of the South Panama City (2) German American Nationalist PAC Pensacola Keys to the Kingdom Church St. Augustine League of the South St. Lucie County League of the South Southwest Florida League of the South Tallahassee League of the South Tampa National Alliance Tampa National Association for the Advancement of White People Tampa Council of Conservative Citizens Tampa Bay National Organization for European American Rights West Palm Beach League of the South Yulee GEORGIA (30) League of the South Albany League of the South Athens House of David Atlanta League of the South Atlanta Nation of Islam Atlanta National Alliance Atlanta New Black Panther Party Atlanta League of the South Augusta League of the South Brunswick World Church of the Creator Carrollton World Church of the Creator Columbus National Alliance Dahlonega Council of Conservative Citizens Dalton League of the South Fayetteville North Georgia White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Ft. Oglethorpe League of the South Hardwick Hammerskin Nation Hiram League of the South LaGrange League of the South Macon Crusade Against Corruption Marietta Truth At Last Marietta League of the South McDonough Council of Conservative Citizens Milledgeville Council of Conservative Citizens Norcross League of the South Savannah League of the South Silver Creek League of the South Statesboro League of the South Talbot County League of the South Thomaston Georgia Konfederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Thomasville HAWAII (1) National Association for the Advancement of White People Honolulu IDAHO (9) Gospel Ministries Boise National Alliance Boise National Association for the Advancement of White People Coeur d'Alene Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Hayden Lake Gospel of Christ Kingdom Church Hayden Lake Underground Skinhead Action Hayden Lake America's Promise Ministries Sandpoint 11th Hour Remnant Messenger Sandpoint 14 Word Press St. Maries ILLINOIS (16) World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Bourdonnais Council of Conservative Citizens Chicago Nation of Islam Chicago National Alliance Chicago World Church of the Creator Chicago World Church of the Creator Dixon World Church of the Creator East Peoria World Church of the Creator Ina World Church of the Creator Mattoon World Church of the Creator Pontiac Imperial Klans of America Prospects Heights National Association for the Advancement of White People River Grove Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Salem World Church of the Creator Sheridan World Church of the Creator Wilmette World Church of the Creator Springfield INDIANA (18) National Socialist Movement Alexandria Council of Conservative Citizens Bedford Liberty Knights Boonville World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Bristol American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Butler World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Butler U.S. Klans, KKK Inc. Coalmont Hammerskin Nation Fort Wayne World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Fort Wayne International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Franklin American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Goshen Outlaw Hammerskins Helmsburg Imperial Klans of America Indianapolis National Alliance Indianapolis Outlaw Hammerskins Michigan City National Socialist Movement Osceola National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan South Bend Outlaw Hammerskins South Bend IOWA (2) World Church of the Creator Davenport Sigrdrifa Olds KANSAS (4) Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Hutchinson Imperial Klans of America Lakin Westboro Baptist Church Topeka Hammerskin Nation Wichita KENTUCKY (8) Fellowship of God’s Covenant People Burlington Council of Conservative Citizens Casey Creek Imperial Klans of America Dayton Imperial Klans of America Hillview League of the South Lebanon Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Lexington Lord's Work Louisville Imperial Klans of America Powderly LOUISIANA (19) America’s Invisible Empire Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Alexandria Christian Defense League Arabi Council of Conservative Citizens Baton Rouge League of the South Baton Rouge League of the South Calcasieu Bayou Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Homer Confederate Crusaders Homer Kountry Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Jennings National Organization for European American Rights Mandeville National Association for the Advancement of White People Marrero League of the South Monroe Nation of Islam New Orleans League of the South River Ridge League of the South Shreveport League of the South Tangipahoa League of the South Thibodaux American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Welsh National Socialist Movement West Monroe Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance West Wego MAINE (1) Council of Conservative Citizens Portland MARYLAND (8) League of the South Cecil County Nation of Islam Baltimore National Alliance Baltimore Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Bryans Road SS Regalia Edgewater World Church of the Creator Finksburg National Alliance Hagerstown World Church of the Creator Towson MASSACHUSETTS (6) Nation of Islam Boston World Church of the Creator Boston House of David Brockton National Alliance Cape Cod World Church of the Creator Peabody House of David Roxbury MICHIGAN (14) National Association for the Advancement of White People Bellville National Association for the Advancement of White People Canton Sigrdrifa Clovderdale Nation of Islam Detroit New Black Panther Party Detroit American Nazi Party Eastpointe 2YT4U Productions Ferndale World Church of the Creator Ionia Social Contract Press Petoskey National Alliance Portage Hammerskin Nation Rochester By Yahweh’s Design Stevensville Underground Skinhead Action Traverse City World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Westland MISSISSIPPI (27) FreeMississippi Aberdeen Bayou Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Brookhaven Council of Conservative Citizens Calhoun United White Klans Collinsville FreeMississippi Greenville United White Klans Greenwood FreeMississippi Gulfport Council of Conservative Citizens Holly Springs Council of Conservative Citizens Jackson Mississippi Royal Confederate Knights Jackson Nation of Islam Jackson League of the South Laurel Nationalist Movement Learned FreeMississippi Macon League of the South Mendenhall FreeMississippi Mendenhall National Association for the Advancement of White People Olive Branch Southern Mississippi Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Petal Mississippi White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Petal United White Klans Philadelphia Council of Conservative Citizens Pineywoods World Church of the Creator Raymond White Rights Associaton Southhaven Council of Conservative Citizens Vaiden Council of Conservative Citizens Webster League of the South Wiggins FreeMississippi Wiggins MINNESOTA (8) Hammerskin Nation Apple Valley National Alliance Minneapolis National Socialist Movement Minneapolis Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance New Brighton Panzerfaust Records Newport World Church of the Creator North Bayport Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance St. Paul National Socialist Movement St. Paul MISSOURI (17) Imperial Klans of America Annapolis World Church of the Creator Clarkton League of the South Columbia Faith Baptist Church and Ministry Houston Council of Conservative Citizens Iron County National Organization for European American Rights Kansas City Knights of the White Kamellia Leslie Imperial Klans of America Mapaville American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Nixa Women for Aryan Unity O'Fallon New Order Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Overland Church of Israel Schell City Hammerskin Nation Springfield Council of Conservative Citizens St. Louis House of David St. Louis Nation of Islam St. Louis National Organization for European American Rights St. Louis MONTANA (4) Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Billings World Church of the Creator Missoula Church of True Israel Noxon World Church of the Creator Superior NEBRASKA (5) National Socialist German Workers Party Lincoln National Socialist Movement McCook National Socialist Movement Ogalalla Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Omaha Mission to Israel Scottsbluff NEVADA (8) World Church of the Creator Carson City Hammerskin Nation Las Vegas Nation of Islam Las Vegas National Alliance Las Vegas National Socialist Movement Las Vegas Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Reno National Alliance Reno Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Wellington NEW HAMSPHIRE (1) Council of Conservative Citizens Dublin NEW JERSEY (12) World Church of the Creator Bridgeton World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Hamilton Hammerskin Nation Harrison National Alliance Hewitt World Church of the Creator Island Heights World Church of the Creator Jersey City Nation of Islam New Brunswick Nation of Islam Newark New Black Panther Party Newark Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance North Bergen New Black Panther Party Trenton World Church of the Creator Trenton NEW MEXICO (3) World Church of the Creator Albuquerque Christian Crusade for Truth Deming World Church of the Creator Rio Rancho NEW YORK (23) World Church of the Creator Alden National Association for the Advancement of White People Amherst National Socialist Movement Binghamton House of David Buffalo League of the South Buffalo National Socialist Movement Ithaca National Association for the Advancement of White People Jackson Heights World Church of the Creator Marcy Council of Conservative Citizens New York House of David New York Nation of Islam New York New Black Panther Party New York Underground Skinhead Action New York World Church of the Creator New York American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Newburgh National Alliance Peekskill World Church of the Creator Sleepy Hollow League of the South Staten Island Sigrdrifa Staten Island Central New York White Pride Syracuse National Organization for European American Rights Walden Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Wantagh Imperial Klans of America Warwick NORTH CAROLINA (27) National Alliance Benson Aryan Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Brown Summitt League of the South Chapel Hill League of the South (2) Charlotte National Alliance Charlotte Nation of Islam Charlotte Council of Conservative Citizens Clemmons World Church of the Creator Culluwhee League of the South Durham Nation of Islam Durham National Alliance Elon College Council of Conservative Citizens Forest City League of the South Greenville Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Henderson League of the South Hertford World Church of the Creator Huntersville League of the South Kingston Council of Conservative Citizens Morganton National Alliance Raleigh New Black Panther Party Raleigh Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Randleman League of the South Salisbury National Alliance Siler City Imperial Klans of America Walkertown New Beginnings Waynesville Church of Yahshua the Christ Wilmington NORTH DAKOTA (1) Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Bismark OHIO (26) World Church of the Creator Akron Imperial Klans of America Amelia Knights of the White Kamellia Bellbrook Aryan Knights of the Confederacy Ku Klux Klan Bellefontaine 88 Enterprises Canton Council of Conservative Citizens Cincinnati National Alliance Cincinnati World Church of the Creator Cincinnati National Organization for European American Rights Cleveland National Alliance Columbus National Socialist Movement Columbus World Church of the Creator Columbus Knights of the White Kamellia Dayton Mystic Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Dayton Imperial Klans of America Elyria National Association of the Advancement of White People Grove City Heritage Lost Ministries Hilliard Knights of the White Kamellia Kenton Aryan Nations Marion National Alliance North Royalton National Alliance Parma Knights of the White Kamellia Rushsylvania National Organization for European American Rights Stark County National Organization for European American Rights Willard/Sandusky World Church of the Creator Youngstown Knights of the White Kamellia Zanesfield OKLAHOMA (5) United Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan White Aryan Resistance Catoosa American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Collinsville Elohim City Muldrow Artisan Publishers Muskogee OREGON (5) Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Hammerskin Nation Clackamas Underground Skinhead Action Estacada Thule Publications Portland National Socialist Vanguard The Dalles PENNSYLVANIA (27) World Church of the Creator Altona National Socialist Movement Bethlehem National Socialist Movement Brookhaven National Socialist Movement Corry Council of Conservative Citizens Dayton International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan East Texas Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Easton National Alliance Fairless Hills Hammerskin Nation Hanover International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Johnstown United White Klans Nanticoke Nation of Islam Philadelphia National Alliance Philadelphia National Organization for European American Rights Philadelphia New Black Panther Party Philadelphia Nation of Islam Pittsburgh National Alliance Pittsburgh American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Prospect Invisible Empire, Pennsylvania Ku Klux Klan Punxsutawney International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Reading Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (Pennsylvania faction) Reading National Alliance Reading National Association for the Advancement of White Peopl Thorndale Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Ulysses Posse Comitatus Ulysses Tri-State Terror Villanova World Church of the Creator Wrightsville RHODE ISLAND (0) SOUTH CAROLINA (12) League of the South Columbia New Black Panther Party Columbia United White Klans Cross Anchor World Church of the Creator Edgefield International Association of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Enoree United White Klans Gaston United White Klans Goose Creek Nation of Islam Greenville League of the South Pinopolis Council of Conservative Citizens Saluda Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Spartanburg League of the South Sumter SOUTH DAKOTA (1) Aryan Nations Rapid City TENNESSEE (14) World Aryan Party Athens Council of Conservative Citizens Chattanooga Council of Conservative Citizens Cleveland League of the South Franklin National Association for the Advancement of White People Gibson Council of Conservative Citizens Knoxville American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Memphis Nation of Islam Memphis Imperial Klans of America Nashville National Alliance Nashville International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Pleasanthill World Church of the Creator Ramer World Church of the Creator Somerville Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Woodlawn TEXAS (38) Aryan Covenant Church/ACC Services Anderson League of the South Arlington League of the South Austin National Alliance Austin World Church of the Creator Austin World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Austin National Front of North America Bryan White Camelia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Cleveland League of the South Conroe Hammerskin Nation Dallas Nation of Islam Dallas National Alliance Dallas New Black Panther Party Dallas Council of Conservative Citizens Dallas/Fort Worth National Alliance Fort Worth World Church of the Creator Groveton Gospel Broadcasting Association Houston Nation of Islam Houston National Organization for European American Rights Houston New Black Panther Party Houston National Alliance Houston Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Huffman Women for Aryan Unity Huntsville Knights of the White Kamellia Jasper National Alliance Keller National Socialist Movement Lubbock American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Mauriceville World Church of the Creator Midway League of the South Northwest Texas League of the South Pasadena American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan San Antonio White Camellia Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Sulphur Springs League of the South Tarrant County World Church of the Creator Tennessee Colony League of the South Tyler World Church of the Creator Vidor League of the South Wautauga League of the South West Texas UTAH (3) National Alliance Salt Lake City World Church of the Creator Salt Lake City World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Salt Lake City VERMONT (0) VIRGINIA (26) Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Bayse Knights of the White Kamellia Chesterfield League of the South Dayton Mystic Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Delaplane League of the South Dublin American Friends of the British National Party Falls Church Council of Conservative Citizens Falls Church Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Forest Council of Conservative Citizens Hanover League of the South Hanover League of the South Harrisonburg World Church of the Creator Jarratt Virginia Publishing Company Lynchburg American Immigration Control Foundation Monterey New Black Panther Party Norfolk New Century Foundation/American Renaissance Oakton Nation of Islam Richmond National Organization for European American Rights Richmond White Order of Thule Richmond Virginia Christian Israelites Round Hill Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Sandston Underground Skinhead Action Virginia Beach League of the South Williamsburg Knight Riders of the Ku Klux Klan Winchester American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Woodridge WASHINGTON (12) White Order of Thule Deer Park World Church of the Creator/Sisterhood of the WCOTC Lynnwood Upper Room Identity Fellowship McKenna National Organization for European Rights Olympia New Covenant Bible Church Port Orchard Seattle White Racist Network Renton Northwest Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Seattle Spokane Skins Spokane Underground Skinhead Action Spokane Northwest Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Tacoma Hammerskin Nation Vancouver Sigrdrifa Vancouver WISCONSIN (8) Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance Mercer National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Mercer New Order Milwaukee World Church of the Creator Milwaukee World Church of the Creator New Berlin Outlaw Hammerskins Pewaukee Imperial Klans of America Plover Imperial Klans of America Westfield WEST VIRGINIA (3) National Alliance Hillsboro Resistance Records Hillsboro Liberty Bell Publications Reedy WYOMING (1) National Organization for European American Rights Cheyenne There is 602 listed as of the year 2000. As of 2008 it had increased to 926. http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp This past summer there was a riot on South Street in Phila that was organized through a social networking site. Arrest connected to rampage A man who allegedly attacked a 54-year-old while believed to be part of a large flash mob that terrorized South Street May 30 is the first — and so far only — arrest attached to the incident. Stephen Lyde, 21, was arrested 11:30 a.m. Friday at his home on the 5400 block of Sansom Street. He was charged with aggravated assault, robbery, theft and riot, Capt. Laurence Nodiff of the 1st Police District said at a press conference Friday. The man was walking along Broad and South streets on his way home from West Philadelphia at about 11:30 p.m. when eight men — of which Lyde is charged with being a part of — allegedly pummeled and robbed him of his wallet and credit cards and left him unconscious and bleeding in the street. With skull, face and rib fractures, the victim was transported to Hahnemann University Hospital and was on life support for several days, Nodiff said. Still in the hospital, the victim was listed in critical condition as of Monday. Also that Saturday night, about 30 to 300 teens believed to have been connecting and told to convene on South via a social networking site vandalized a convenience store on Broad and Christian streets, assaulted a man with his own cane, a couple in a Jeep and a police officer on the 900 block of South Broad as well as a cab driver. One member of the mob also took the taxi and hit several cars on the 600 block of South 12th Street. Police are still reviewing tapes and interviewing witnesses in the ongoing investigation, Nodiff said Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Also that Saturday night, about 30 to 300 teens believed to have been connecting and told to convene on South via a social networking site vandalized a convenience store on Broad and Christian streets, assaulted a man with his own cane, a couple in a Jeep and a police officer on the 900 block of South Broad as well as a cab driver. One member of the mob also took the taxi and hit several cars on the 600 block of South 12th Street. Twiterers (Twits?) gone wild. Don'cha hate it when that happens? Comes from too much time in forums, makes folks go nuts. Quote Link to comment
Clan Riffster Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is 602 listed as of the year 2000. As of 2008 it had increased to 926. I wonder what the official criteria is for being stuck on a hate group list? Looking at the list, I see several that I wouldn't associate with hate. Makes me question the agenda of whoever created that list. Also, I see at least one glaring omission: DNC Them folks sure know about hatin'... Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Argh!!!! Government Bad!!!! Grrrr!!! Oversimplifying someone else’s opinion to the point that you completely misrepresent it may make you feel better, and may be an effective way to gain a few high fives from those who share your own view, but I know that you know that it is intellectually dishonest as all get out.You know, it did make me feel better. It also is an accurate reflection of my take away from your political/governmental posts. If thats not the position that you were trying to communicate, perhaps you should take a closer look at the message that you send. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There is 602 listed as of the year 2000. As of 2008 it had increased to 926. I wonder what the official criteria is for being stuck on a hate group list? Looking at the list, I see several that I wouldn't associate with hate. Makes me question the agenda of whoever created that list. Also, I see at least one glaring omission: DNC Them folks sure know about hatin'... As I scrolled down the list, I spotted a few that didn't sound like hate groups. A few quick googles identified why they belong on the list. Quote Link to comment
+KBI Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Argh!!!! Government Bad!!!! Grrrr!!! Oversimplifying someone else’s opinion to the point that you completely misrepresent it may make you feel better, and may be an effective way to gain a few high fives from those who share your own view, but I know that you know that it is intellectually dishonest as all get out.You know, it did make me feel better. It also is an accurate reflection of my take away from your political/governmental posts. If thats not the position that you were trying to communicate, perhaps you should take a closer look at the message that you send. Or a closer look at my audience. There's no chance that your particular job leaves you with any bias on this issue, is there? Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Argh!!!! Government Bad!!!! Grrrr!!! Oversimplifying someone else’s opinion to the point that you completely misrepresent it may make you feel better, and may be an effective way to gain a few high fives from those who share your own view, but I know that you know that it is intellectually dishonest as all get out.You know, it did make me feel better. It also is an accurate reflection of my take away from your political/governmental posts. If thats not the position that you were trying to communicate, perhaps you should take a closer look at the message that you send. Or a closer look at my audience. There's no chance that your particular job leaves you with any bias on this issue, is there? Ha! My job is more likely to make me follow your lead. Quote Link to comment
+Castle Mischief Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Also, I see at least one glaring omission: DNC Them folks sure know about hatin'... HILARIOUS Quote Link to comment
+KBI Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There's no chance that your particular job leaves you with any bias on this issue, is there? Ha! My job is more likely to make me follow your lead. You have my interest. Would you be willing to explain? Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Argh!!!! Government Bad!!!! Grrrr!!! Oversimplifying someone else’s opinion to the point that you completely misrepresent it may make you feel better, and may be an effective way to gain a few high fives from those who share your own view, but I know that you know that it is intellectually dishonest as all get out.You know, it did make me feel better. It also is an accurate reflection of my take away from your political/governmental posts. If thats not the position that you were trying to communicate, perhaps you should take a closer look at the message that you send. Or a closer look at my audience. There's no chance that your particular job leaves you with any bias on this issue, is there? That too. This part of your audience grew up enjoying the benefits of my country, aware from a fairly young age that tax dollars made much of it possible. Upon attaining the earliest possible age I joined the US Navy and took an oath to protect and defend my country that I will abide by to my dying day. American tax dollars made that Navy, and my paycheck, and my medical care ever since then, possible. I've had the luxury of visiting 18 countries (okay, some weren't so luxurious) and living in 3, and that has given me some perspective on why my tax dollars are well spent. So, when I hear someone constantly bitching about what's wrong with this country I get a bit rankled. Perfect, no, but by God it's the best on this planet! The statements that our government wastes some of our dollars is true, and a shame... but until you develop a breed of infallible super-humans who do no wrong and make no error that's going to happen. Am I biased and protective when I hear someone whose every thought is to criticize and attack my government? You bet your ash! Sign me, Biased Kool-aid Drinker Quote Link to comment
+KBI Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 This part of your audience grew up enjoying the benefits of my country, aware from a fairly young age that tax dollars made much of it possible. Upon attaining the earliest possible age I joined the US Navy and took an oath to protect and defend my country that I will abide by to my dying day. American tax dollars made that Navy, and my paycheck, and my medical care ever since then, possible. And how much of that do you suppose would have been possible if the Defense Department had always been in the habit of giving away its budget in the form of birthday party prizes instead of spending it to recruit and train good folks like yourself? The statements that our government wastes some of our dollars is true, and a shame... but until you develop a breed of infallible super-humans who do no wrong and make no error that's going to happen. And when people like me stop raising objections when we observe that waste, as you seem to suggest I should do, what do you suppose will happen then? Is it wrong for a citizen like myself to hold his government accountable? Am I biased and protective when I hear someone whose every thought is to criticize and attack my government? You bet your ash! As well you should be. Your enthusiasm is praiseworthy ... and I share it. The real shame it that there is not more of it out there. Am I biased and protective when I see someone wasting your – and my – hard earned dollars on silly waste? Ditto. I hear nothing in your point of view that I disagree with ... only a simple breakdown in understanding. When I say this: "I think this $40,000 birthday party giveaway of our tax dollars is very irresponsible. Can anyone convince me otherwise?" Some of you seem to hear this: I HATE THE GOVERNMENT!! THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT!!! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’m sorry, but I don’t follow the reasoning that connects those two sentiments. Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 And when people like me stop raising objections when we observe that waste, as you seem to suggest I should do, what do you suppose will happen then? Is it wrong for a citizen like myself to hold his government accountable?... Some of you seem to hear this: I HATE THE GOVERNMENT!! THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT!!! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are right, I apologize for the rant. It is in fact every citizen's responsibility to hold our government accountable. I guess what set me off was my assumption that you have not written your Senator to complain about this, a much more effective and proper way to hold government in check than complaining in forums. Hopefully you did that too. As to the 'I hate Government' bit I probably am too sensitive and tend to read that into criticism... I was taught not to complain about something I wasn't willing to try to fix, so my first response to hearing criticism of government is to think "So go do something about it! Take a government job, or run for office!" That's probably not a very healthy way to look at things. Sorry if I miscast your patriotic zeal. Quote Link to comment
+Team Cotati Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 And when people like me stop raising objections when we observe that waste, as you seem to suggest I should do, what do you suppose will happen then? Is it wrong for a citizen like myself to hold his government accountable?... Some of you seem to hear this: I HATE THE GOVERNMENT!! THE WHOLE GOVERNMENT!!! I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are right, I apologize for the rant. It is in fact every citizen's responsibility to hold our government accountable. I guess what set me off was my assumption that you have not written your Senator to complain about this, a much more effective and proper way to hold government in check than complaining in forums. Hopefully you did that too. As to the 'I hate Government' bit I probably am too sensitive and tend to read that into criticism... I was taught not to complain about something I wasn't willing to try to fix, so my first response to hearing criticism of government is to think "So go do something about it! Take a government job, or run for office!" That's probably not a very healthy way to look at things. Sorry if I miscast your patriotic zeal. Don't over do it 'Bama, you had it right the first time. Quote Link to comment
+KBI Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I guess what set me off was my assumption that you have not written your Senator to complain about this, a much more effective and proper way to hold government in check than complaining in forums. Hopefully you did that too. I probably should. I do so semi-regularly. Letters to elected officials, Letters to the Editor, etc. I might sent in an objection to this one as well. You are right. I feel strongly about this, and should probably send an email to my elected folks in Washington. I guess what set me off is the casual way others in here were ignoring what I see as a blatantly irresponsible givaway of your and my hard-earned tax dollars, and the way they even seemed to want to encourage it. I stated my opinion, and my opinion was followed by wild misrepresentations of my opinion. Quote Link to comment
+sbell111 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I guess what set me off was my assumption that you have not written your Senator to complain about this, a much more effective and proper way to hold government in check than complaining in forums. Hopefully you did that too. I probably should. I do so semi-regularly. Letters to elected officials, Letters to the Editor, etc. I might sent in an objection to this one as well. You are right. I feel strongly about this, and should probably send an email to my elected folks in Washington. I guess what set me off is the casual way others in here were ignoring what I see as a blatantly irresponsible givaway of your and my hard-earned tax dollars, and the way they even seemed to want to encourage it. I stated my opinion, and my opinion was followed by wild misrepresentations of my opinion. Here's the thing: Not only were you not a part of that decision making process, you don't even have the first guess as to why the decision was made. Clearly, it was to entice people to participate. To what end, we don't have a clue. I choose to believe that they decided that it was the better decision to use the cash as an enticement than it would be to complete the study in another way. You choose to believe that they merely decided to throw a bunch of money out the window. Similarly, the military produces expensive commercials, games, and other marketing gimmicks to entice people to join up. They could spend less money on recruitment, but these methods serve their purpose. Even though some of their efforts could be viewed as cash wasters, these same methods help them meet their goals and have been determined (by them) to be financially sound way to meet the need. Quote Link to comment
+fatboy52 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Okay... some good opinions... tough all in the same direction. What's about evolution, instead of unanimism? If you think we have a perfect game thats fine... I think everything can always be better. Thank you all very much for your feedback... its solely what I wanted... to measure the trends. what the heck unanimism?? Quote Link to comment
RuideAlmeida Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 (edited) what the heck unanimism?? Unanimism or unanism "...Unanism is a group theory wherein the collective emotions of two people, of two small rural communities, of cities, of countries, and of the whole world transcend and are superior to individual ones..." Like in Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" Edited December 8, 2009 by ruidealmeida Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 what the heck unanimism?? Unanimism or unanism "...Unanism is a group theory wherein the collective emotions of two people, of two small rural communities, of cities, of countries, and of the whole world transcend and are superior to individual ones..." Like in Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" Steinbeck. ACK! Intelligence Alert! This is a geocacher forum, KISS! Quote Link to comment
+brslk Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Ammo cans are green. Really? It's been so long since I've seen anything but a micro in a tree I wouldn't know Quote Link to comment
+Astro_D Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'm already forced to support "social awareness" it's called taxes. Please keep it out of my geocaching. Quote Link to comment
+SUNSHINE 005 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I'm already forced to support "social awareness" it's called taxes. Please keep it out of my geocaching. I, too, am a very private geocacher.........I criss-cross this very, very rural area that I live and work in......on a weekly basis I get the opportunity to geocache in this beautiful state. I think that I am a socially aware human being.....Is that why I am a geocacher? Is it a combination of who I am....and my gorgeous surroundings? I beleive Yes! We should set an example.....be helpful..........leave it better than before........if we can..............best to you and yours..................sunshine :} Quote Link to comment
+TheAlabamaRambler Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 (edited) I'm already forced to support "social awareness" it's called taxes. Please keep it out of my geocaching. I, too, am a very private geocacher.........I criss-cross this very, very rural area that I live and work in......on a weekly basis I get the opportunity to geocache in this beautiful state. I think that I am a socially aware human being.....Is that why I am a geocacher? Is it a combination of who I am....and my gorgeous surroundings? I beleive Yes! We should set an example.....be helpful..........leave it better than before........if we can..............best to you and yours..................sunshine :} Back...away...from...the...peyote... buttons... Edited December 9, 2009 by TheAlabamaRambler Quote Link to comment
Mushtang Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Ammo cans are green.Really? It's been so long since I've seen anything but a micro in a tree I wouldn't know You say that like you don't want to see micros or something. But I know that can't be the case, because it's so easy to filter out micros and you'd never have to see another one. Ever. And since you're a premium member you can do it even easier with PQs. A quick look at your profile shows that you've only found 5 micros since you joined in October, so you must have already figured this out too. I guess you must be joking and stuff. Good one! HAHAHAHA! Quote Link to comment
+fatboy52 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 what the heck unanimism?? Unanimism or unanism "...Unanism is a group theory wherein the collective emotions of two people, of two small rural communities, of cities, of countries, and of the whole world transcend and are superior to individual ones..." Like in Steinbeck's "The Grapes of Wrath" Steinbeck. ACK! Intelligence Alert! This is a geocacher forum, KISS! hmm,learned something new!!! Quote Link to comment
+sTeamTraen Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Similarly, the military produces expensive commercials, games, and other marketing gimmicks to entice people to join up. They could spend less money on recruitment, but these methods serve their purpose. Even though some of their efforts could be viewed as cash wasters, these same methods help them meet their goals and have been determined (by them) to be financially sound way to meet the need. That's a good example. While I sympathise with the idea of having smaller government, I think that once you've decided to have a specific government agency, you have to accept that to function at all, it will need a proper budget, and that you can't go round micro-managing every aspect of it. You can lobby to abolish the military, or DARPA, or for DARPA to not conduct research into social networking, but to simply complain that of the $1 million (say) which DARPA spends as part of a research exercise, that $40,000 ends up in the pockets of the participants, seems to me rather trivial. Quote Link to comment
4wheelin_fool Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Ammo cans are green. Really? It's been so long since I've seen anything but a micro in a tree I wouldn't know Watch it! There are those that are microsensitive around here. Anarchists are green also... Quote Link to comment
Baysidebob Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 One year on the afternoon before Thanksgiving our dishwasher broke. Not problem purchasing a new appliance living in the land of Master Card. Problem was installation before the whole family arrived and I didn't want to do it. I told the wife we'd donate the money for the new dishwasher to the church and she'd be "Washin' dishes for the Lord." Not everyone has the same view of social responsibility. I had it installed before midnight. It's a good rule. Quote Link to comment
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