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Most saturated, Most Caches per Capita in Canada


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Ok - so this is now the final version with my new formulas and so forth

 

Background on the stats

 

Population numbers and locations are from 2006 Census

 

Cache numbers are based from the center of the city/town up to 9.9km .. 10km+ are not included in the count, and before you ask, having even as many as 10 caches on the "limit" will not change the numbers so drastically that your city/town will score better - you want your city/town to score better, place more caches

 

There are an obscene number of caches on the East Coast of Canada and very little population - side note, there are like 6 or 7 of the top 10 hiders in Canada in the Maritime provinces (I am one of them) - this is why.

 

If a missed a town with over 10k consult the census webpage, if it was not there - I did not use it

 

My final formula for overall saturation is based on caches per capita, overall caches, overall population and some other factors to even the playing field for large population vs. small pops, etc, etc..

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Top 3 Areas by Caches per Capita by province

 

Town, Province, Population, Caches, Caches Per Capita

 

AB

Cold Lake AB 11,991 67 178.9701493

Canmore AB 12,039 43 279.9767442

Red Deer AB 82,772 238 347.7815126

 

BC

Cranbrook BC 24,138 203 118.9064039

Port Alberni BC 25,297 143 176.9020979

Parksville BC 26,518 148 179.1756757

 

MB

Portage la Prairie MB 20,494 44 465.7727273

Brandon MB 48,256 75 643.4133333

Thompson MB 13,593 12 1132.75

 

NB

Fredericton NB 85,688 395 216.9316456

Bathurst NB 31,424 132 238.0606061

Moncton NB 126,424 464 272.4655172

 

NL

Corner Brook NF 26,623 63 422.5873016

St. John's NF 181,113 201 901.0597015

Grand Falls-Windsor NF 13,558 8 1694.75

 

NS

Sydney NS 105,928 267 396.7340824

Truro NS 45,077 96 469.5520833

Kentville NS 25,969 46 564.5434783

 

ON

Cobourg ON 18,210 104 175.0961538

Port Hope ON 16,390 86 190.5813953

Ingersoll ON 11,760 46 255.6521739

 

PEI

Summerside PE 16,153 27 598.2592593

Charlottetown PE 58,625 32 1832.03125

 

PQ

Rouyn-Noranda PQ 39,924 183 218.1639344

Victoriaville PQ 48,893 154 317.487013

Rivirere-du-Loup PQ 24,570 73 336.5753425

 

SK

North Battleford SK 17,765 37 480.1351351

Yorkton SK 17,438 34 512.8823529

Swift Current SK 16,533 25 661.32

 

North

Whitehorse NT 22,898 47 487.1914894

Yellowknife YK 18,700 22 850

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Top 5 caches per capita locations, 10k people min, 10km limit

Cranbrook BC 24,138 203 118.9064039

Cobourg ON 18,210 104 175.0961538

Port Alberni BC 25,297 143 176.9020979

Cold Lake AB 11,991 67 178.9701493

Parksville BC 26,518 148 179.1756757

 

Top 5 caches per capita locations, 50k people min, 10km limit

Fredericton NB 85,688 395 216.9316456

Moncton NB 126,424 464 272.4655172

Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu PQ 87,492 255 343.1058824

Red Deer AB 82,772 238 347.7815126

Sydney NS 105,928 267 396.7340824

 

Top 5 caches per capita locations, 100k people min, 10km limit

Moncton NB 126,424 464 272.4655172

Sydney NS 105,928 267 396.7340824

Victoria ・ BC 330,088 629 524.782194

Sherbrooke PQ 186,952 312 599.2051282

Trois-Rivieres PQ 141,529 230 615.3434783

 

Top 5 caches per capita locations, 300k people min, 10km limit

Victoria ・ BC 330,088 629 524.782194

Halifax NS 372,858 557 669.4039497

Quebec ・ PQ 715,515 505 1416.861386

Ottawa - Gatineau ON 1,130,761 707 1599.379066

Winnipeg MB 694,668 432 1608.027778

 

Top 5 caches per capita locations, 1mil people min, 10km limit

Ottawa - Gatineau ON 1,130,761 707 1599.379066

Edmonton AB 1,034,945 588 1760.110544

Calgary ・ AB 1,079,310 561 1923.903743

Montreal PQ 3,635,571 670 5426.225373

Vancouver BC 2,116,581 294 7199.255102

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Full List, Ranked by Most caches Per Capita

 

1 Cranbrook BC 24,138 203 118.9064039

2 Cobourg ON 18,210 104 175.0961538

3 Port Alberni BC 25,297 143 176.9020979

4 Cold Lake AB 11,991 67 178.9701493

5 Parksville BC 26,518 148 179.1756757

6 Port Hope ON 16,390 86 190.5813953

7 Williams Lake BC 18,760 89 210.7865169

8 Fredericton NB 85,688 395 216.9316456

9 Rouyn-Noranda PQ 39,924 183 218.1639344

10 Bathurst NB 31,424 132 238.0606061

11 Ingersoll ON 11,760 46 255.6521739

12 Dawson Creek BC 10,994 42 261.7619048

13 Moncton NB 126,424 464 272.4655172

14 Canmore AB 12,039 43 279.9767442

15 Courtenay BC 49,214 173 284.4739884

16 Campbell River BC 36,461 117 311.6324786

17 Victoriaville PQ 48,893 154 317.487013

18 Miramichi NB 24,737 77 321.2597403

19 Duncan BC 41,387 123 336.4796748

20 Rivirere-du-Loup PQ 24,570 73 336.5753425

21 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu PQ 87,492 255 343.1058824

22 Red Deer AB 82,772 238 347.7815126

23 Joliette PQ 43,595 123 354.4308943

24 Midland ON 35,402 93 380.6666667

25 Petawawa ON 14,651 38 385.5526316

26 Timmins ON 42,997 111 387.3603604

27 Sydney NS 105,928 267 396.7340824

28 Corner Brook NF 26,623 63 422.5873016

29 Squamish BC 15,256 35 435.8857143

30 Campbellton NB 17,888 41 436.2926829

31 Nanaimo BC 92,361 206 448.3543689

32 Lachute PQ 11,832 26 455.0769231

33 Drummondville PQ 78,108 169 462.1775148

34 Portage la Prairie MB 20,494 44 465.7727273

35 Truro NS 45,077 96 469.5520833

36 Penticton BC 43,313 92 470.7934783

37 North Battleford SK 17,765 37 480.1351351

38 Whitehorse NT 22,898 47 487.1914894

39 Kenora ON 15,177 31 489.5806452

40 Wetaskiwin AB 11,673 23 507.5217391

41 Yorkton SK 17,438 34 512.8823529

42 Victoria ・ BC 330,088 629 524.782194

43 Kentville NS 25,969 46 564.5434783

44 Salmon Arm BC 16,205 28 578.75

45 Matane PQ 16,438 28 587.0714286

46 Collingwood ON 17,290 29 596.2068966

47 Summerside PE 16,153 27 598.2592593

48 Sherbrooke PQ 186,952 312 599.2051282

49 Dolbeau-Mistassini PQ 14,546 24 606.0833333

50 Baie-Comeau PQ 29,808 49 608.3265306

51 Trois-Rivieres PQ 141,529 230 615.3434783

52 Brandon MB 48,256 75 643.4133333

53 Saint John NB 122,389 190 644.1526316

54 Prince George BC 83,225 129 645.1550388

55 Swift Current SK 16,533 25 661.32

56 Halifax NS 372,858 557 669.4039497

57 Powell River BC 16,537 24 689.0416667

58 Quesnel BC 22,449 32 701.53125

59 Camrose AB 15,620 22 710

60 Saint-Georges PQ 31,364 43 729.3953488

61 Lethbridge AB 95,196 130 732.2769231

62 Vernon BC 55,418 75 738.9066667

63 Shawinigan PQ 56,434 76 742.5526316

64 Chilliwack BC 80,892 106 763.1320755

65 Terrace BC 18,581 24 774.2083333

66 Leamington ON 49,741 64 777.203125

67 New Glasgow NS 36,288 46 788.8695652

68 Kingston ON 152,358 187 814.7486631

69 Elliot Lake ON 11,549 14 824.9285714

70 Saskatoon SK 233,923 278 841.4496403

71 Yellowknife YK 18,700 22 850

72 Grande Prairie AB 71,868 80 898.35

73 St. John's NF 181,113 201 901.0597015

74 Saint-Hyacinthe PQ 55,823 61 915.1311475

75 Val-d'Or PQ 32,288 35 922.5142857

76 Thetford Mines PQ 26,107 27 966.9259259

77 Kamloops BC 92,882 96 967.5208333

78 Cowansville PQ 12,666 13 974.3076923

79 Abbotsford BC 159,020 163 975.5828221

80 Owen Sound ON 32,259 33 977.5454545

81 Sept-Iles PQ 27,827 28 993.8214286

82 Sarnia ON 88,793 89 997.6741573

83 Moose Jaw SK 33,360 32 1042.5

84 Medicine Hat AB 68,822 64 1075.34375

85 Guelph ON 127,009 116 1094.905172

86 Orillia ON 40,532 37 1095.459459

87 Amos PQ 17,918 16 1119.875

88 Barrie ON 177,061 158 1120.639241

89 Lloydminster SK 27,023 24 1125.958333

90 Thompson MB 13,593 12 1132.75

91 Rimouski PQ 46,807 41 1141.634146

92 Okotoks AB 17,145 15 1143

93 La Tuque PQ 15,293 13 1176.384615

94 Thunder Bay ON 122,907 103 1193.271845

95 Fort St. John BC 25,136 21 1196.952381

96 Regina SK 194,971 160 1218.56875

97 Granby PQ 68,352 55 1242.763636

98 Centre Wellington ON 26,049 20 1302.45

99 Alma PQ 32,603 24 1358.458333

100 Prince Albert SK 40,766 30 1358.866667

101 Saguenay PQ 151,643 110 1378.572727

102 Quebec ・ PQ 715,515 505 1416.861386

103 Pembroke ON 23,195 16 1449.6875

104 Stratford ON 30,461 21 1450.52381

105 Sault Ste. Marie ON 80,098 54 1483.296296

106 Prince Rupert BC 13,392 9 1488

107 Hawkesbury ON 12,267 8 1533.375

108 Kelowna BC 162,276 103 1575.495146

109 Ottawa - Gatineau ON 1,130,761 707 1599.379066

110 Winnipeg MB 694,668 432 1608.027778

111 Belleville ON 91,518 56 1634.25

112 Grand Falls-Windsor NF 13,558 8 1694.75

113 Bay Roberts NF 10,507 6 1751.166667

114 Edmonton AB 1,034,945 588 1760.110544

115 Charlottetown PE 58,625 32 1832.03125

116 St. Catharines - Niagara ON 390,317 211 1849.843602

117 Peterborough ON 116,570 63 1850.31746

118 Estevan SK 11,135 6 1855.833333

119 Calgary ・ AB 1,079,310 561 1923.903743

120 Sorel-Tracy PQ 48,295 23 2099.782609

121 North Bay ON 63,424 30 2114.133333

122 Kitchener ON 451,235 213 2118.474178

123 Sudbury ON 158,258 74 2138.621622

124 Oshawa ON 330,594 150 2203.96

125 Woodstock ON 35,480 14 2534.285714

126 Brantford ・ ON 124,607 48 2595.979167

127 Windsor ON 323,342 121 2672.247934

128 Hamilton ON 692,911 259 2675.332046

129 Edmundston NB 21,442 8 2680.25

130 Salaberry-de-Valleyfield PQ 39,672 13 3051.692308

131 Brockville ON 39,668 12 3305.666667

132 London ON 457,720 134 3415.820896

133 Tillsonburg ON 14,822 4 3705.5

134 Cornwall ON 58,485 11 5316.818182

135 Montreal PQ 3,635,571 670 5426.225373

136 Vancouver BC 2,116,581 294 7199.255102

137 Brooks AB 22,452 2 11226

138 Norfolk ON 62,563 5 12512.6

139 Toronto ON 5,113,149 205 24942.19024

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Full List - Most Saturated Town/City in Canada, in order of largest saturation factor to least

 

Again - this is based using my own formula which weights many population, per capita, overall caches and so forth, This says nothing about quality caches, etc, etc - It just tells you where to go to pick up some serious numbers...

 

1 Moncton NB

2 Fredericton NB

3 Victoria ・ BC

4 Halifax NS

5 Sydney NS

6 Saint-Jean-sur-Richelieu PQ

7 Sherbrooke PQ

8 Red Deer AB

9 Nanaimo BC

10 Trois-Rivieres PQ

11 Saskatoon SK

12 Courtenay BC

13 Rouyn-Noranda PQ

14 Drummondville PQ

15 Victoriaville PQ

16 Saint John NB

17 Ottawa - Gatineau ON

18 Quebec ・ PQ

19 St. John's NF

20 Kingston ON

21 Cranbrook BC

22 Edmonton AB

23 Winnipeg MB

24 Parksville BC

25 Joliette PQ

26 Duncan BC

27 Calgary ・ AB

28 Bathurst NB

29 Port Alberni BC

30 Abbotsford BC

31 Campbell River BC

32 Lethbridge AB

33 Prince George BC

34 Timmins ON

35 Montreal PQ

36 Barrie ON

37 Regina SK

38 St. Catharines - Niagara ON

39 Vancouver BC

40 Truro NS

41 Hamilton ON

42 Kitchener ON

43 Midland ON

44 Chilliwack BC

45 Penticton BC

46 Cobourg ON

47 Guelph ON

48 Toronto ON

49 Kamloops BC

50 Williams Lake BC

51 Oshawa ON

52 Miramichi NB

53 Saguenay PQ

54 Thunder Bay ON

55 Brandon MB

56 Sarnia ON

57 Grande Prairie AB

58 Shawinigan PQ

59 London ON

60 Kelowna BC

61 Port Hope ON

62 Vernon BC

63 Rivirere-du-Loup PQ

64 Corner Brook NF

65 Windsor ON

66 Leamington ON

67 Medicine Hat AB

68 Saint-Hyacinthe PQ

69 Cold Lake AB

70 Baie-Comeau PQ

71 Sudbury ON

72 Whitehorse NT

73 Kentville NS

74 Portage la Prairie MB

75 Peterborough ON

76 Granby PQ

77 New Glasgow NS

78 Belleville ON

79 Sault Ste. Marie ON

80 Saint-Georges PQ

81 Campbellton NB

82 Ingersoll ON

83 Canmore AB

84 Brantford ・ ON

85 Dawson Creek BC

86 North Battleford SK

87 Petawawa ON

88 Rimouski PQ

89 Squamish BC

90 Orillia ON

91 Yorkton SK

92 Val-d'Or PQ

93 Owen Sound ON

94 Quesnel BC

95 Moose Jaw SK

96 Collingwood ON

97 Kenora ON

98 Charlottetown PE

99 Matane PQ

100 Salmon Arm BC

101 Prince Albert SK

102 Sept-Iles PQ

103 North Bay ON

104 Thetford Mines PQ

105 Summerside PE

106 Lachute PQ

107 Swift Current SK

108 Terrace BC

109 Powell River BC

110 Lloydminster SK

111 Alma PQ

112 Dolbeau-Mistassini PQ

113 Wetaskiwin AB

114 Yellowknife YK

115 Sorel-Tracy PQ

116 Camrose AB

117 Stratford ON

118 Fort St. John BC

119 Centre Wellington ON

120 Amos PQ

121 Cornwall ON

122 Pembroke ON

123 Woodstock ON

124 Okotoks AB

125 Salaberry-de-Valleyfield PQ

126 Norfolk ON

127 Elliot Lake ON

128 Brockville ON

129 Cowansville PQ

130 La Tuque PQ

131 Thompson MB

132 Edmundston NB

133 Prince Rupert BC

134 Hawkesbury ON

135 Grand Falls-Windsor NF

136 Brooks AB

137 Bay Roberts NF

138 Estevan SK

139 Tillsonburg ON

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Your "caches per capita" numbers don't make sense to me. :o

 

Example:

 

85 Guelph ON 127,009 116 1094.905172

 

By my calculation: 116 caches / 127009 people = 0.0009133 caches per capita.

 

You seem to have inverted the calculation. "per capita" is Latin meaning "for each head" (or for each person)

 

Your numbers are showing people per cache, not caches per person.

 

Maybe "people per cache" needs a cool new Latin phrase. How about populum per cachita. :)

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Yes, the numbers are indicating people per cache as opposed to caches per person, but as either calculation will bring the same results in terms of ordering, and it's much neater to show a whole number vs. 0.0009133 is it not?

 

"Per capita" is a fairly generic term - it was done this way to make it easier to read

 

 

Your "caches per capita" numbers don't make sense to me. :o

 

Example:

 

85 Guelph ON 127,009 116 1094.905172

 

By my calculation: 116 caches / 127009 people = 0.0009133 caches per capita.

 

You seem to have inverted the calculation. "per capita" is Latin meaning "for each head" (or for each person)

 

Your numbers are showing people per cache, not caches per person.

 

Maybe "people per cache" needs a cool new Latin phrase. How about populum per cachita. :)

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Actually, the center point of halifax I took was close to the bridges, thus Dartmouth is included - The census counts HRM, not Halifax... no disadvantage

 

Moncton is surrounded by 50% swamp, not woods (immediately north and south of Moncton are woods)

 

Fredericton is surrounded by woods

 

But as the stats show, Moncton is the most saturated place in Canada - not by much, only a 3% variance from Moncton to Freddy - Oddly, Hali & Sydney both rank almost the same for saturation coverage only at about a 6% variance off Freddy

 

Stats don't lie.. they just tell their own story

 

Can see where I live now, Halifax, which is on a penisula having a serious disadvantage over say where I was from, Moncton, which is surrounded by woods. :o

 

Congrats Fredericton. It is an awesome city.

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of course the big giant Bedford Basin and Bedford Magazine ignored. Just saying :ph34r:

Actually, the center point of halifax I took was close to the bridges, thus Dartmouth is included - The census counts HRM, not Halifax... no disadvantage

 

Moncton is surrounded by 50% swamp, not woods (immediately north and south of Moncton are woods)

 

Fredericton is surrounded by woods

 

But as the stats show, Moncton is the most saturated place in Canada - not by much, only a 3% variance from Moncton to Freddy - Oddly, Hali & Sydney both rank almost the same for saturation coverage only at about a 6% variance off Freddy

 

Stats don't lie.. they just tell their own story

 

Can see where I live now, Halifax, which is on a penisula having a serious disadvantage over say where I was from, Moncton, which is surrounded by woods. :mad:

 

Congrats Fredericton. It is an awesome city.

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Interesting stats, however Toronto does not have 5million+ people...there's only 2,503,281 people in Toronto based on the 2006 census. So I assume the 5million+ also includes all of the cities and towns around Toronto like Oakville, Burlington, Halton Hills, Milton, Brampton, Mississauga, Pickering, Ajax, etc, since they are all missing from the list. I'ld be curious to know how these rank.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_1...a_by_population

 

Also, what do you use as the center of town? City Hall postal code?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_1...a_by_population

 

Also, what do you use as the center of town? City Hall postal code?

 

Hmmm yes.. lots of differences between your numbers and the wiki list linked by Res. And I would agree...the standard for determining the centre of the city would be the city hall address (or postal code one would assume)

 

Still not sure what enlightenment can be gained by knowing how many people per cache there are in any given town though. And cache saturation is meaningless...ever been to a place like Erie, Pa... where there's yet another stupid micro tucked under a lamppost every couple hundred metres. Utterly ridiculous. Your stats would be more meaningful to me if I had an idea of how many Regular caches there were in a given area. I don't and won't hunt micros unless I'm really, really bored.

 

IMHO Gc.com should be providing all these stats anyway. They have all the data available to crunch.

:ph34r:

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Interesting stats, however Toronto does not have 5million+ people...there's only 2,503,281 people in Toronto based on the 2006 census. So I assume the 5million+ also includes all of the cities and towns around Toronto like Oakville, Burlington, Halton Hills, Milton, Brampton, Mississauga, Pickering, Ajax, etc, since they are all missing from the list. I'ld be curious to know how these rank.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_1...a_by_population

 

Also, what do you use as the center of town? City Hall postal code?

 

expecially since there are not 5 million people within 10km of City center

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Answering people:

 

res2100:

Yes, The census numbers I used are from the Census metropolitan areas and census agglomerations

 

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/d...GK=1&RPP=50

 

Thus giving me numbers from split towns/cities - thus giving for example Toronto 5mil+ - However I kept the 10km limit for consistancy -

 

Center of downtown is starting point

 

POWRcacher:

That was a typo

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I could have enlarged the limits for Census metropolitan areas (CMAs) (like Toronto, Vancouver and Ottawa), and kept the census agglomerations separate, however that would be another undertaking all together...

 

something for next month maybe - It would require recentering all CMAs to a rough center to ensure maximum coverage, however some centers would not rise up too much in the "standings" due to population density anywho...

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As I mentioned in the last post with the saturation numbers, This says nothing about quality caches, It just tells you where to go to pick up some serious numbers...

 

I did this for my own curiosity and for those who like stats - My curiosity is satisfied, thus at least ONE person was "enlightened" by it...

 

 

Still not sure what enlightenment can be gained by knowing how many people per cache there are in any given town though. And cache saturation is meaningless...ever been to a place like Erie, Pa... where there's yet another stupid micro tucked under a lamppost every couple hundred metres. Utterly ridiculous. Your stats would be more meaningful to me if I had an idea of how many Regular caches there were in a given area. I don't and won't hunt micros unless I'm really, really bored.

 

IMHO Gc.com should be providing all these stats anyway. They have all the data available to crunch.

:ph34r:

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res2100:

Yes, The census numbers I used are from the Census metropolitan areas and census agglomerations

 

http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/d...GK=1&RPP=50

 

Thus giving me numbers from split towns/cities - thus giving for example Toronto 5mil+ - However I kept the 10km limit for consistancy -

That really makes no sense at all. Here's a list of the areas included in the Toronto CMA: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/d...;O=A&RPP=25. Bradford and West Gwillimbury are over 55km from downtown Toronto, but their populations are counted in the 5.1million total. On the other hand, 10km from city hall won't even get you as far as the 401, and will include roughly 1/4 of the actual area of Toronto. So with the numerator grossly inflated and the denominator grossly deflated, I guess it's not surprising that Toronto has the lowest cache density in the country.

 

dave

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_1...a_by_population

 

Also, what do you use as the center of town? City Hall postal code?

 

Hmmm yes.. lots of differences between your numbers and the wiki list linked by Res. And I would agree...the standard for determining the centre of the city would be the city hall address (or postal code one would assume)

 

Still not sure what enlightenment can be gained by knowing how many people per cache there are in any given town though. And cache saturation is meaningless...ever been to a place like Erie, Pa... where there's yet another stupid micro tucked under a lamppost every couple hundred metres. Utterly ridiculous. Your stats would be more meaningful to me if I had an idea of how many Regular caches there were in a given area. I don't and won't hunt micros unless I'm really, really bored.

 

IMHO Gc.com should be providing all these stats anyway. They have all the data available to crunch.

:ph34r:

As of April 2008

 

Most Caches

1 Ontario

2 Quebec

3 British Columbia

4 Alberta

5 Nova Scotia

6 New Brunswick

7 Manitoba

8 Newfoundland

9 Saskatchewan

10 Prince Edward Island

11 Yukon

12 Northwest Territories

13 Nunavut

 

Cache Density By Area (Best chance at finding a cache)

1 Prince Edward Island

2 Nova Scotia

3 New Brunswick

4 Ontario

5 British Columbia

6 Alberta

7 Quebec

8 Newfoundland

9 Manitoba

10 Saskatchewan

11 Yukon

12 Northwest Territories

13 Nunavut

 

Per Capita (Most nuts about caching)

1 New Brunswick

2 Nova Scotia

3 Prince Edward Island

4 Yukon

5 Newfoundland

6 British Columbia

7 Manitoba

8 Alberta

9 Northwest Territories

10 Quebec

11 Saskatchewan

12 Ontario

13 Nunavut

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AGAIN - this was done ACROSS THE COUNRTY, every CMA is effected by the same principles

 

Montreal Numbers include all these: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/d...R=0&CMA=462

 

Vancouver ones include: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/d...R=0&CMA=933

 

what it means is that the center core of the CMA of Toronto is not saturated with caches,

 

the point is, Toronto CMA may have a lot of caches, and maybe more then some other centers, but they are spread out over too wide an area to be considered saturated - let me put it to you another way

 

If you use the google map feature on the center of Toronto and pan out a little, between Mississauga, Scarb & Vaughn specifically, then are less then 500 caches - Now try that with Ottawa or Victoria - the cache/map system will tap out before you get to the 5km level

 

Regardless of that, and even if I used 2mil population, Toronto is nowhere near the other areas in canada for saturation, there are just not enough placed caches to count, even if I increase the radius of 10km

 

Saturation is being able to head to an area, and potentially pick up over 150 caches in one day without flinching - KNOWING that most would be boring drive-bys

 

 

 

That really makes no sense at all. Here's a list of the areas included in the Toronto CMA: http://www12.statcan.ca/english/census06/d...;O=A&RPP=25. Bradford and West Gwillimbury are over 55km from downtown Toronto, but their populations are counted in the 5.1million total. On the other hand, 10km from city hall won't even get you as far as the 401, and will include roughly 1/4 of the actual area of Toronto. So with the numerator grossly inflated and the denominator grossly deflated, I guess it's not surprising that Toronto has the lowest cache density in the country.

 

dave

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Saturation is being able to head to an area, and potentially pick up over 150 caches in one day without flinching - KNOWING that most would be boring drive-bys

 

Wouldn't caches per area be a better indication of that type of saturation? The number of people per cache as per your stats can be an indicator that there are some very active hiders in the area or there are a lot of hiders in the area or a combination of both. If I want to find a bunch of caches in a day, I'll head for a spot that has a lot of caches - the number of people per cache wouldn't have any bearing on this choice. Keith Watson's lists show this in a better way, albeit, for much larger areas.

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You're looking at two different lists and interpreting them as the same..

 

Caches per person list is population based, however this is skewed to a small town with 11k people and one active cacher who hides 60 caches makes a very high caches:person ratio

 

The second large list I posted based on saturation actually works in tandem with Keith's list, the saturation level of an area takes into consideration the amount of caches a given area holds, and weights it so that smaller centers which may have a higher cache:person ratio are placed lower on the list vs. places which have larger overall numbers

 

Take a look at the google cache maps on gc.com at the top 10 saturated places on the big list, you trip over caches in all those places

 

On a side note,

Never thought something I did for fun would appear so confusing and "useless" to some people - next time I do something I think would be interesting for others to see I'll keep it at my local association's forum rather then sharing it and apparently needing to constantly justify all the work it did.... :ph34r:

 

 

Wouldn't caches per area be a better indication of that type of saturation? The number of people per cache as per your stats can be an indicator that there are some very active hiders in the area or there are a lot of hiders in the area or a combination of both. If I want to find a bunch of caches in a day, I'll head for a spot that has a lot of caches - the number of people per cache wouldn't have any bearing on this choice. Keith Watson's lists show this in a better way, albeit, for much larger areas.

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On a side note,

Never thought something I did for fun would appear so confusing and "useless" to some people - next time I do something I think would be interesting for others to see I'll keep it at my local association's forum rather then sharing it and apparently needing to constantly justify all the work it did.... :)

 

FunkyNassau - I love these stats - especially since Victoria, BC made it onto one of your lists :) . We had a Cache Machine here this past weekend and I heard that it was the shortest route with the most caches in the history of this fellow's cache machines (6+ years I think).

 

We were in Fredericton this summer and we'd sure like to go back again because it 'felt like' there were a lot of caches - now you've shown us that our initial perception was correct.

 

Thank you and keep up the good work! I used to work in stats - it's nice to see them being applied to geocaching.

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On a side note,

Never thought something I did for fun would appear so confusing and "useless" to some people - next time I do something I think would be interesting for others to see I'll keep it at my local association's forum rather then sharing it and apparently needing to constantly justify all the work it did.... :(

 

Your stats ARE interesting and I'd like to see more. When I commented on Toronto, I simply was hoping to see Toronto and the surrounding area broken down properly into their respective cities\towns.

 

I'ld like to see you use these numbers and town names listed here from the census:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_1...a_by_population

 

Not based on any scientific data or anything, I surprisingly always found that Toronto was lacking in caches compared to many other cities, so it's no surprise at all for Toronto to be ranked really low. Toronto really isn't that dense when it comes to caches. However, I always thought of Hamilton and Burlington to be the most densest areas for caching. These are just my own personal perceptions based on the areas where we found ourselves caching in (or not caching in).

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I can rework my formulas based on that list - I think the 10km radius is still a good yardstick, especially as that give us 314 square KM to work within for caches

 

With those new numbers it would break down the larger centers (i.e. breaking Mississauga out of the Toronto CMA)

 

Give me some time ... I should be able to retool to the new data as my the look of Hurricane Kyle I'll have some rain to get in the way of caching this weekend in the Maritimes

 

 

I'ld like to see you use these numbers and town names listed here from the census:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_1...a_by_population

 

Not based on any scientific data or anything, I surprisingly always found that Toronto was lacking in caches compared to many other cities, so it's no surprise at all for Toronto to be ranked really low. Toronto really isn't that dense when it comes to caches. However, I always thought of Hamilton and Burlington to be the most densest areas for caching. These are just my own personal perceptions based on the areas where we found ourselves caching in (or not caching in).

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I can rework my formulas based on that list - I think the 10km radius is still a good yardstick, especially as that give us 314 square KM to work within for caches

 

Considering that you are looking at # people per cache, then your 10km radius is a little arbitrary.

 

For example, Toronto is larger than a 10km radius, so you are not getting all the caches but you are still counting the entire population of Toronto in the # people/cache stat.

 

Conversely, some of your other locations are much smaller than a 10km radius so you are attributing caches that are outside their boundary to a population that is within the boundary.

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I can rework my formulas based on that list - I think the 10km radius is still a good yardstick, especially as that give us 314 square KM to work within for caches

 

Considering that you are looking at # people per cache, then your 10km radius is a little arbitrary.

 

For example, Toronto is larger than a 10km radius, so you are not getting all the caches but you are still counting the entire population of Toronto in the # people/cache stat.

 

Conversely, some of your other locations are much smaller than a 10km radius so you are attributing caches that are outside their boundary to a population that is within the boundary.

 

I'm not really sure what the number of people have to do with this anyway. Just because a city has 2500, 25000, 250000 or 1000000 people is pretty irrelevant to cache density. Cache density is usually thought of in terms of number of caches per sq km or some such measure. If these stats were based on an area calculation it would give a much more accurate measure of where you could go to get the most caching bang for your buck.

 

Does the source you used for your city populations also provide the city area?

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Let's hear it for the 'WGS' (Wilberforce and Greater Surroundings) - the only authorized and authentic 'Geocaching Capital of Canada'. They have lots of AREA, and just the right enthusiastic POPULATION !!! And for those seeking more 'bang for your buck' - just check out their deer hunting this fall, while you're geocaching. Sometimes rural folk rule !!

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