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TB1CY2T

 

What's occurring with that bug current location?

 

An Error Has Occurred

Sorry, you cannot view this cache listing until it has been published.

 

"You are not logged in. You must be logged in to view this content." > I am logged in and paid member.

 

Does it mean it been placed in cache that has yet to go live?

 

bambooprincess does not communicate.

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Hello, please consider...

 

TB1CY2T

 

What's occurring with that bug current location?

 

An Error Has Occurred

Sorry, you cannot view this cache listing until it has been published.

 

"You are not logged in. You must be logged in to view this content." > I am logged in and paid member.

 

Does it mean it been placed in cache that has yet to go live?

 

bambooprincess does not communicate.

 

Hi stonefisk.

 

The bug page opens ok for me

 

Soryy didn't look far enough to find the problem.

 

I have seen this before when a bug is placed into a new cache that hasn't been reviewd. I am sue that I saw a cacher somewhere seemed to have an unreviewed cache just to drop his TBs into.

 

Hope this helps.

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These 'caches' are getting to be a pain.... this is about the 6th or 7th one I have seen... Cacher sets up a cache as a store for TBs etc with no intention of ever publishing.... 1 It removes the TB from their 14 day 'nag' and 2. most cachers accept that their bug is just in another cache...

I have just seen a TB race TB in a 'cache' for two months waiting for the cacher to go on holiday to a 'nice' location .. the problem was it was in the wrong direction???

Solution TPTB should stop TBs being placed in unpublished caches

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A lot of people use an unpublished cache to store their own coins, because if you've activated quite a few which you take to events, etc, it's nice to not have them clogging up your inventory drop-down list.

 

Putting other people's trackables in an unpublished cache seems a little dodgy because if you're holding that many of them, you should be planning a visit to your local TB hotel fairly soon.

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A lot of people use an unpublished cache to store their own coins, because if you've activated quite a few which you take to events, etc, it's nice to not have them clogging up your inventory drop-down list.

 

Putting other people's trackables in an unpublished cache seems a little dodgy because if you're holding that many of them, you should be planning a visit to your local TB hotel fairly soon.

 

Although unpublished caches aren't visible to us plebs, I believe that the reviewers can still see them, even if they haven't been sent for review... (I might be wrong here?)

 

Anyway, if a cache isn't published (for whatever reason) although the box is there, with a TB, are the reviewers able to get the coords and details, and notify some local cachers to rescue the TB? Obviously, if its going to be published in the near future, this probably isn't necessary!

 

Personally, I think that one shouldn't be able to put TBs in unpublished caches ever. There are a number of other ways of clearing your coin collection from your inventory. Maybe in an archived cache, or maybe GS could implement an 'in the living room' location for your own TBs and coins!

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Anyway, if a cache isn't published (for whatever reason) although the box is there, with a TB, are the reviewers able to get the coords and details, and notify some local cachers to rescue the TB?

 

Do you really expect to find the coins, or even a cache at the actual location? ;)

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Anyway, if a cache isn't published (for whatever reason) although the box is there, with a TB, are the reviewers able to get the coords and details, and notify some local cachers to rescue the TB?

 

Do you really expect to find the coins, or even a cache at the actual location? ;)

 

not necessarily! but in some cases, it is possible!

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Anyway, if a cache isn't published (for whatever reason) although the box is there, with a TB, are the reviewers able to get the coords and details, and notify some local cachers to rescue the TB?

 

Do you really expect to find the coins, or even a cache at the actual location? :D

 

not necessarily! but in some cases, it is possible!

I have heard it said that some people have used TBs in unpublished caches to get a FTF even before a cache is published so there are sometimes caches at these locations ;)

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Just been delving a little further into this one...

 

Looking at bamboo princess's profile and also at the gallery pics, I rather suspect that this is a quite a young cacher. She's only had 25 Finds and hasn't set any caches herself... as yet. Maybe this one will be her first?

 

Whilst I agree that it's not a good idea to put other people's trackables into an unpublished cache (Just in case it never is!) this one may just have a good outcome in the end. Let's hope so. ;)

 

MrsB

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Although unpublished caches aren't visible to us plebs, I believe that the reviewers can still see them, even if they haven't been sent for review... (I might be wrong here?)

 

Unpublished caches are visible to reviewers in two ways:

- If they are sufficiently close to another cache that they appear "on the radar" during the review process.

- If the reviewer types in the GCxxxxx number of an unpublished cache, for example as provided by a placer who has a question during construction of the page, then the cache appears "normally", with all the details.

 

Anyway, if a cache isn't published (for whatever reason) although the box is there, with a TB, are the reviewers able to get the coords and details, and notify some local cachers to rescue the TB? Obviously, if its going to be published in the near future, this probably isn't necessary!

 

The reviewers can see the coordinates, but it's not part of the reviewer's job to organise a "save the TB" hunt. It's a tough call, especially if the cache owner has recklessly placed someone else's trackable item in a cache which has no chance of being published. (It's not unknown for placers of "vacation" caches to use the presence of a TB as a form of blackmail.) But really, the responsibility for going out there and retrieving the TB is with the placer of the unpublished cache. As a TB owner I would be very unhappy if someone placed my TB in a cache, which then didn't get published (there are plenty of reasons why this might not happen) and then the cache placer didn't go and get it back.

 

Personally, I think that one shouldn't be able to put TBs in unpublished caches ever. There are a number of other ways of clearing your coin collection from your inventory. Maybe in an archived cache, or maybe GS could implement an 'in the living room' location for your own TBs and coins!

 

Strictly speaking, a TB should not be (physically) placed in a cache until the cache has been published. But of course not many people want to make a maintenance visit on day 1 just to drop off a TB.

 

Your "in the living room" location can be simulated by creating a cache listing which you then never publish, which is what the person holding the OP's travel bug seems to have done. A lot of people have them. I don't believe that they are actively encouraged, but I've never seen them being discouraged either. The problem is not so much the fact that the cache can't be seen - after all, if she'd used an archived listing, the TB wouldn't be at its coordinates either - as the fact that she's not really playing exactly by the "rules" for managing your inventory of other peoples' trackables. But my guess is that this will turn out OK. It's the people who take coins without logging them at all that you generally need to worry about. ;)

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Your "in the living room" location can be simulated by creating a cache listing which you then never publish, which is what the person holding the OP's travel bug seems to have done. A lot of people have them. I don't believe that they are actively encouraged, but I've never seen them being discouraged either.

 

Oh I agree, reviewers shouldn't be expected to do this - just wondered if it was possible on a rare occasion! I also wanted to clarify that the 'in the living room' option would ONLY be usable by the bug/coin owner, NOT for stuff you don't own... I have no problem with people putting their own TBs in unpublished listings, but I don't think there's a real reason for hiding someone else's TB from your inventory...

 

Thats just my opinion though!

 

Dave

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Hi

One of my Geocoins was deposited into a new, unpublished cache by condoverman890 and for whatever reason the cache has never been published.

Condoverman890 does not have the decency to answer my emails asking what has happened to my Geocoin. There are also 2 other coins in that unpublished cache which the reviewer, Decieangie tried to retrieve from the cache owner, without success.

Decieangie wrote to condoverman890 as follows -

 

"I've been contacted by a TB owner complaining that one of their TB's, is currently logged into a unpublished cache owned by you. A investigation shows that TBZ6RZ, TBMH3G, TB2055V were logged into GC1AABW matt mission 2 an Unpublished and Archived cache on the following dates

 

TBZ6RZ- 18/3/2008

TBMH3G- 18/3/2008

TB2055V- 7/4/2008

 

Would you please place these TB's into a active cache, so that they may continue their aim of travelling from cache to cache.

 

Alternatively if your are unable to get out caching for any reason. I am quite prepared to send you a prepaid envelope addressed to my self. To enable you to dispatch the TB's via Royal Mail to myself and I will distribute the TB's into local caches to enable them to be moved on.

 

If you decided to follow this course of action, your address will remain completely confidential.

 

Please reference the cache name or number if you want to contact me via e-mail.

 

Many thanks,

 

Deceangi Volunteer UK Reviewer Geocaching.com"

 

This did not have any effect at all. This cacher is not playing the game.

 

If anyone knows this cacher I would appreciate it if you could have a word with them and get them to at least write to the three coin/ TB owners to explain what has happened to their property.

 

OVERANOUT

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I've investigated the OP's case, the person holding the TB's attempted to put out a genuine cache. But due to issues, it was not publishable. The cache owner is intending to create a new cache once a suitable location is found, so it does not appear that the TB is permanently missing.

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Another good reason for not dropping off Trackables into a cache before it's been published can be found here in this thread on "Poaching". I'd never heard of this before, but apparently if you're watching closely and see a TB dropped into a "cache to be" you can get the co-ords and actually find the cache before it's been listed.

 

I am shocked :laughing: that geocachers would do this - it ain't cricket!

 

MrsB :laughing:

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I am shocked :D that geocachers would do this - it ain't cricket!

 

I think it's cool and clever as an intellectual exercise, but also demonstrates that the point of placing a cache is that people should have fun finding it. If someone did that on one of my caches I would be full of admiration for their ingenuity.

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I am shocked :D that geocachers would do this - it ain't cricket!

 

I think it's cool and clever as an intellectual exercise, but also demonstrates that the point of placing a cache is that people should have fun finding it. If someone did that on one of my caches I would be full of admiration for their ingenuity.

 

ps. I wonder if we will get an equivalent of the USA's 'state page' sometime?

 

I presume, now we have 'states' for the UK, it is a possibility -for the future! :D

 

I would bet that if you offered to put together a file with the UK towns with a population of over 20,000 and the coordinates of their town hall, then Groundspeak would consider adding such a page. It would be quite a list: California, the most populous US state, has fewer people than the UK but over 1200 towns in the list.

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Another good reason for not dropping off Trackables into a cache before it's been published can be found here in this thread on "Poaching". I'd never heard of this before, but apparently if you're watching closely and see a TB dropped into a "cache to be" you can get the co-ords and actually find the cache before it's been listed.

 

I am shocked :laughing: that geocachers would do this - it ain't cricket!

 

MrsB :)

 

Been there - Done that - Got the ummm White Jeep from an Unpublished cache....

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Another good reason for not dropping off Trackables into a cache before it's been published can be found here in this thread on "Poaching". I'd never heard of this before, but apparently if you're watching closely and see a TB dropped into a "cache to be" you can get the co-ords and actually find the cache before it's been listed.

 

I am shocked :laughing: that geocachers would do this - it ain't cricket!

 

MrsB :)

 

Been there - Done that - Got the ummm White Jeep from an Unpublished cache....

 

Ive seen evidence it may of been done a few times. The bugs KML file shows all.

 

Ive done it but not bothered finding the cache.

 

Drop your bugs after publication.

 

On another point Condoverman890 is quite young i believe you may get a better response from the other condover's he logs caches at the same time as.

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Your "in the living room" location can be simulated by creating a cache listing which you then never publish, which is what the person holding the OP's travel bug seems to have done. A lot of people have them. I don't believe that they are actively encouraged, but I've never seen them being discouraged either.

An unpublished cache is also handy as a vehicle for uploading images. I've got one. No trackables in it though.

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I've investigated the OP's case, the person holding the TB's attempted to put out a genuine cache. But due to issues, it was not publishable. The cache owner is intending to create a new cache once a suitable location is found, so it does not appear that the TB is permanently missing.

Thank you

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Bah, still no sign on this one :laughing:

 

I'd suggest asking your friendly neighbourhood reviewer to either contact the placer, or to pluck the co-ordinates from the reviewer notes and ask someone nearby to organise a rescue mission for you.

 

I think this has been done before when someone placed a TB in a vacation cache in London which was then not activated.

 

Of course, by 'friendly neighbourhood', I now notice I mean 'friendly kentucky neighbourhood', but I'm sure they're a friendly lot over there aswell.

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Bah, still no sign on this one :laughing:

 

I'd suggest asking your friendly neighbourhood reviewer to either contact the placer, or to pluck the co-ordinates from the reviewer notes and ask someone nearby to organise a rescue mission for you.

 

I think this has been done before when someone placed a TB in a vacation cache in London which was then not activated.

 

Of course, by 'friendly neighbourhood', I now notice I mean 'friendly kentucky neighbourhood', but I'm sure they're a friendly lot over there aswell.

 

Funny the very friendly UK Reviewer has already contacted the Member :laughing: , just waiting for a reply.

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