+The Lavender Hill Mob Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) There's a series of caches just published near me where you have to climb a tree to find a micro. I know climbing trees is something that we've all done at one time or another, usually as children despite being told not to by our parents and this in turn we pass on to our children. I know it sounds like fun but personally I think placing a cache where you have to climb a tree is a little dangerous, broken bones and God forbid worse comes to mind as well as damaging the tree when climbing it especially if it's going to be climbed again and again. Two things, 1. are there other caches out there where you have to a climb tree to find a cache and 2. I'd be interested in your opinions on the subject. Thanks in advance TLHM Edited June 29, 2008 by The Lavender Hill Mob Quote Link to comment
+keehotee Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 There's a series of caches just published by me where you have to climb a tree to find a micro. I know climbing trees is something that we've all done at one time or another, usually as children despite being told not to by our parents and this in turn we pass on to our children. I know it sounds like fun but personally I think placing a cache where you have to climb a tree is a little dangerous, broken bones and God forbid worse comes to mind as well as damaging the tree when climbing it especially if it's going to be climbed again and again. Two things, 1. are there other caches out there where you have to a climb tree to find a cache and 2. I'd be interested in your opinions on the subject. Thanks in advance TLHM Probably a silly question, but if you have doubts about their safety, why did you publish them? Quote Link to comment
+The Lavender Hill Mob Posted June 29, 2008 Author Share Posted June 29, 2008 Probably a silly question, but if you have doubts about their safety, why did you publish them? Sorry, the OP is misleading they're near me not mine Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 We've found many caches of all sizes which have been up trees, at varying heights. Usually the cache owner has chosen a tree which is easy and relatively safe to climb. As with all caches, if you don't feel safe retrieving the cache then don't. You could return with a ladder if it's feasible and you feel more comfortable doing it that way. Quote Link to comment
+SkiBums (UK) Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) I know the series you are referring to, having just completed it ourselves. As well as the tree caches there are also nano's in the cicular series so you don't have to climb the trees. Not being a tree climber myself DS completed most of the climbs (I did one) and DH did the most difficult one. I think people will make their own decisions on this series some of the climbs won't be attempted because they will look to diffficult. Other will. All the cache pages are published with warnings and like anything we do today we should take responsibilty for our own actions. DS who is an apathetic cacher at best has rated these caches as WICKED and double thumbs up, anything that shakes him from his Preteen sulk is fine by me. The trees chosen are all substantial and well established trees that will take and fair amount of clambering around. I think these type are caches are good for some but not for others and in the long run it will be down to personal preference whether or not you do the climbs. Check out the circular walk though because it makes a nice stroll Edited June 29, 2008 by skibumsuk Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 As far as I'm concerned, if you're clearly warned in the description, then anything goes. People who aren't happy with the idea can simply ignore the cache. Quote Link to comment
+Simply Paul Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 I've done the Cryptic's Vertigo and agree they're not the safest place to put a cache. On the other hand, if I can get up and down in one piece, most people could. The amount of damage a tree might suffer depends on how many visits it gets and what species it is- I'd hope this was being monitored. If I was to come across the series I'd be interested in giving it a go; in theory they shouldn't be any more dangerous than caches near water, or across rocks, or the other side of a busy road- providing I pay attention and approach them with care. Quote Link to comment
paganfrog Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 if it was stated in the description that you may have to climb, i would ignore the cache, but if i get there and then find its not accessable to most people, then i would be annoyed. i recently got to one cache that involved a bit of climbing or agility and i was so annoyed that this wasnt stated as im short and am not agile enough to climb things. i was just thankful that i had my 6 foot tall nephew with me and he helped retreive the cache. in my opinion, people tend to mark hides as disabled friendly or not, but forget for us walkers that we still can have problems with hight issues. this wouldnt be a bother if its in a dense cache area but when the caches are scarce we dont want to have to exclude caches on the grounds that we cant reach the darn things. Quote Link to comment
+slimey Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 I've done the Cryptic's Vertigo As have I - and I would probably class it as one of the most fun caches I've done - sat at the top of the tree signing the log, and waiting for people to wander away before I descend again... Simon Quote Link to comment
Alan White Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 I've done the Cryptic's Vertigo We used special equipment for that one. James Quote Link to comment
+SidAndBob Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 Sounds a great idea to me. Originality should be encouraged. Quote Link to comment
+Bambography Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 It can't be any worse than caches on top of cliffs, rock formations or at high levels in places like the Lake District. There are scuba caches, and all sorts. So long as you stick to what YOU feel safe doing and can muster the willpower to walk on by if you don't think you can find the cache within sensible safety levels then the world will be fine. Quote Link to comment
+overanout Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 Two things, 1. are there other caches out there where you have to a climb tree to find a cache and 2. I'd be interested in your opinions on the subject. Thanks in advance TLHM I did the Dragontree's Walk cache near Bromham, Bedfordshire which involves climbing a tree. It is an interesting multi with the final cache hidden half way up a tree. The tree itself is like climbing a ladder with plenty of sturdy branches. Yes accidents can and do happen, but we are all sensible enough to know our own limits and capabilities. At 60 years of age, I thought twice about climbing the tree. Not for fear of falling though. As a retired Fire Officer I am used to heights and doing risk assessments. No, my biggest fear was what I would say should a muggle pass by and spot me. I could hardly say I was looking for my dog, could I? I could have said I was a tree surgeon carrying out a post operative examination on a broken branch or that I had just rescued a cat and it had just run away. Seriously though. It is entirely up to the individual whether to get to the cache or not. OVERANOUT Quote Link to comment
The Red Kite Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 As far as I'm concerned, if you're clearly warned in the description, then anything goes. People who aren't happy with the idea can simply ignore the cache. In my experience they often ignore the description containing all the information and safety notes, if needed. They then write sarky logs when the get there and find "the coords are wrong" or "mine took me over a cliff! "Ahem! Quote Link to comment
+Lotho Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Trees are stronger than you think..we had about 5 people in the tree where cryptics cache is hidden. Quote Link to comment
+SkiBums (UK) Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 These caches actually state in the title that they are in trees (so no excuses really if people don't read the information correctly) Quote Link to comment
+scottpa100 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Make your own decisions about whether its worth getting the cache. Some people ignore 1 difficulty and 1 terrain caches because they like a challenge. Like wise, people who don't like challenges can ignore the harder ones. I think hiding caches up a tree is a great idea - far more rewarding than leaping out of a car to a lamppost and signing a log book. IMHO. Quote Link to comment
+rutson Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I must say, if I hid a cache up a tree I wouldn't say in the description where it was. Why spoil the fun? Quote Link to comment
+Primitive Person Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I know it sounds like fun but personally I think placing a cache where you have to climb a tree is a little dangerous, broken bones and God forbid worse comes to mind as well as damaging the tree when climbing it especially if it's going to be climbed again and again. Personally, I think life has become far too sanitised, and people are generally very scared to take any risks at all. Anything which involves a bit of adventure is great. If you want to do it, do it. If you don't, don't. Simple. There's plenty of 5/5 caches out there which are potentially lethal if you screw up on them, but that doesn't make them wrong. As long as you are sensible and don't take on anything you're not capable of, I don't see what the problem is. A bit of risk doesn't do anyone any harm, and you're probably more likely to get run over by a bus than fall out of a tree. Lee Quote Link to comment
+Team Sieni Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) No, my biggest fear was what I would say should a muggle pass by and spot me. I could hardly say I was looking for my dog, could I? Made oi laff! I don't think I'd bother with a cache up a tree, others might enjoy it though. If the description (or hint) didn't say it was up a tree, and it turned out to be so, then I'd be a bit miffed. Then again, how would I find out without climbing the tree? So I'd just DNF it and go on my merry way. I wouldn't be in the area in the first place if I didn't think it was pleasant, so nothing lost. Then again, I normally read other logs as well as the description and the hint, so if one log said "Nice view from the top of the tree. Unfortunately I fell out while signing the log." or similar I'd skip the cache. On a more serious note, I would hope that a responsible cache setter would consider the potential for damage to the tree, and other surrounding trees (and shurbs and bushes and telegraph poles, and anything else vaguely tree-like) that would almost inevitably be climbed in error. Edited to add: I do have one find that involved some tree climbing although it's not really "up" a tree. It was also in the middle of a nettle patch. I sent a friend in after it! (GCP5RD) Edited July 1, 2008 by Team Sieni Quote Link to comment
+The Blorenges Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) Sometimes you just have to do these things... ...The only way is "up". MrsB (and, no, we didn't know it was up a tree until we got there! ) Edited July 1, 2008 by The Blorenges Quote Link to comment
+Amberel Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 If the description (or hint) didn't say it was up a tree, and it turned out to be so, then I'd be a bit miffed. I was going to say that the terrain rating normally gives you some sort of clue. But I did (or more accurately, I didn't) do one yesterday that needed a tree climb but which was only 1.5 terrain stars I think I might have managed it except the lowest branch was a clear 6 feet off the ground, and the trunk was straight and smooth up to that point, so there way no way I was going to get started. Rgds, Andy Quote Link to comment
+The Blorenges Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I was going to say that the terrain rating normally gives you some sort of clue. But I did (or more accurately, I didn't) do one yesterday that needed a tree climb but which was only 1.5 terrain stars I think I might have managed it except the lowest branch was a clear 6 feet off the ground, and the trunk was straight and smooth up to that point, so there way no way I was going to get started. Rgds, Andy That's not good, IMO. As you describe it, I think it should have been a 3* terrain at least - That was the grade for the one above, where I had to climbed, so at least we were expecting there would be something "tricky" about it. MrsB Quote Link to comment
+Amberel Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 That's not good, IMO. As you describe it, I think it should have been a 3* terrain at least He is going to bump it up a bit as a result of my input. But this well known cacher is very parsimonious with his terrain stars Rgds, Andy Quote Link to comment
+scottpa100 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I have to disagree with the tone of messages saying about damage to the tree. Whilst I empathise completely as the viewpoint when caches at placed at ground level we don't have comments about be careful about the bushes, the shrubs or indeed, the nettles? Quote Link to comment
+scottpa100 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 very parsimonious with his terrain stars Rgds, Andy Oooo! There's a word I've never heard before and I like it. Mission for work tomorrow - to use within context! Quote Link to comment
+Cache U Nutter Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) Just for your information, I have published a bookmark listing of 'EXTREME' caches which includes many tree climbing caches as well as other quite interesting challenges that are somewhat different from the normal 'box under a pile of sticks' type of cache. I hope you find it useful and please contact me if you have any caches that you feel should be added to the listing Cheers Andy http://www.geocaching.com/bookmarks/view.a...ae-e0f56c7c6c5c Edited July 3, 2008 by Cache U Nutter Quote Link to comment
big_bob Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I like the idea of a cache up a tree. Gives me an excuse to do something I haven't tried since I was a nipper! Quote Link to comment
+Cryptik Souls Crew Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 My micro up a tree has 51 finds and no deaths. In the logs most people seem to have enjoyed it and from memory it had a pretty high rating on GUK. Micro's don't have to be lame... I say go for it. Quote Link to comment
+Geo.Kitten Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Well I watched a certain pk climb up a tree this last weekend for a micro and he seemed happy enough Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Is a Micro, (or any cache) up a tree, safe? I think so. Less chance of being found accidently by a muggle! Quote Link to comment
+Jonovich Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 Is a Micro, (or any cache) up a tree, safe? I think so. Less chance of being found accidently by a muggle! More resiliant to flooding too J Quote Link to comment
+rutson Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 My micro up a tree has 51 finds and no deaths. That you know of.... dead folk aren't big on logging Quote Link to comment
SlytherinAlex Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 My micro up a tree has 51 finds and no deaths. That you know of.... dead folk aren't big on logging Maybe not in your neck of the woods. But over here logging fatalities are commonplace.. Quote Link to comment
+Cache U Nutter Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 My micro up a tree has 51 finds and no deaths. That you know of.... dead folk aren't big on logging Maybe not in your neck of the woods. But over here logging fatalities are commonplace.. Then perhaps we should disallow them, in the same way as some head teachers stop children from running on the playgroung for health and safety reasons !!! What I like about Geocaching [and rock climbing] is that you are allowed to get on with your life in the way that you want to without the risk of some lefty jobsworth obstructing my civil liberty ! Rant over !! Quote Link to comment
+Cache U Nutter Posted July 8, 2008 Share Posted July 8, 2008 (edited) My micro up a tree has 51 finds and no deaths. That you know of.... dead folk aren't big on logging Maybe not in your neck of the woods. But over here logging fatalities are commonplace.. Then perhaps we should disallow them, in the same way as some head teachers stop children from running on the playground for health and safety reasons !!! What I like about Geocaching [and rock climbing] is that you are allowed to get on with your life in the way that you want to without the risk of some lefty jobsworth obstructing my civil liberty ! Rant over !! Edited July 8, 2008 by Cache U Nutter Quote Link to comment
The Birches Head Hunters Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I'd rather find a micro up a tree than a micro not up a tree. Quote Link to comment
+imajeep Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Why in the world would anyone want to place a cache like that? I honestly don't get it. Quote Link to comment
+The Hornet Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Why in the world would anyone want to place a cache like that? I honestly don't get it. Haven't you ever climbed a tree in your life? Don't you like an extra challenge? No? We're all different and some of us like this sort of thing, some of us don't. The beauty of this sport is that there's room for all tastes, just don't attempt ones you don't like and move on to another one which you do. Simple! Quote Link to comment
+The Blorenges Posted July 12, 2008 Share Posted July 12, 2008 Serious tree monkeys may like to have a look at the gallery pics for The Tallest Tree in the Forest. I don't think we've got any tree caches up to this standard in U.K. - Or am I wrong? MrsB Quote Link to comment
+Geo.Kitten Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 as soon as i find a suitable tree near me a cache is finding its way up it! Quote Link to comment
reelcutter Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 as soon as i find a suitable tree near me a cache is finding its way up it! Shall we inform the fire brigade now? Quote Link to comment
+Cache U Nutter Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 (edited) Serious tree monkeys may like to have a look at the gallery pics for The Tallest Tree in the Forest. I don't think we've got any tree caches up to this standard in U.K. - Or am I wrong? MrsB For my 500th cache celebration I have plans for a significant tree cache to rival anything out there in the world. The plan is to put a cache 80ft up a Douglas Fir which is only remarkable by the fact that the tree only has branches at the very top ! Why you may well ask ? I don't know is my only reply !!!!! Edited July 13, 2008 by Cache U Nutter Quote Link to comment
+Geo.Kitten Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 as soon as i find a suitable tree near me a cache is finding its way up it! Shall we inform the fire brigade now? lol Quote Link to comment
+purple_pineapple Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Serious tree monkeys may like to have a look at the gallery pics for The Tallest Tree in the Forest. I don't think we've got any tree caches up to this standard in U.K. - Or am I wrong? MrsB For my 500th cache celebration I have plans for a significant tree cache to rival anything out there in the world. The plan is to put a cache 80ft up a Douglas Fir which is only remarkable by the fact that the tree only has branches at the very top ! Why you may well ask ? I don't know is my only reply !!!!! don't you dare! Quote Link to comment
+The Blorenges Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 For my 500th cache celebration I have plans for a significant tree cache to rival anything out there in the world. The plan is to put a cache 80ft up a Douglas Fir which is only remarkable by the fact that the tree only has branches at the very top ! Why you may well ask ? I don't know is my only reply !!!!! Excellent! So my comment over here on the Pub Quiz was almost spot-on! MrsB Quote Link to comment
+Munkeh Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 as soon as i find a suitable tree near me a cache is finding its way up it! Shall we inform the fire brigade now? this gives me more of a mental picture of Geo.Kitten with a pitchfork and pklong up a tree Quote Link to comment
+HazelS Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 Normally I don't tend to attempt caches with a terrain of about 3 and above, because I know I'm not able to do them. Today however, was another matter!! Team Marzipan are another team that like to have a VAST array of difficulty and terrain caches, and Fear 5 - the only way is up is thair latest offering of "daft" caches. I put it on my igniore list, but during the week, a few of us had discussions as to how we could do this cache, and this morning at 9am, three of us did it. (OK, I was the official phoographer - you HAVE to have photos taken - so I can claim a find!) It was 45 - 50 ft up a tree, and USNU did it using climbing ropes and harnesses, although I'm told Team Lettuce sent their young son up with no equipment!!! eeeek! Personally, it's up to you - whatever floats your boat, whatever you enjoy, you should do. It's no secret I love drive bys, I love short walk, but I HATE multis... equally, my parents HATE drivebys and their caches are ALL multis. Everybody plays the game their own way remember!!! Quote Link to comment
+Cache U Nutter Posted July 13, 2008 Share Posted July 13, 2008 For my 500th cache celebration I have plans for a significant tree cache to rival anything out there in the world. The plan is to put a cache 80ft up a Douglas Fir which is only remarkable by the fact that the tree only has branches at the very top ! Why you may well ask ? I don't know is my only reply !!!!! Excellent! So my comment over here on the Pub Quiz was almost spot-on! MrsB Very close indeed ! forgot about the pub quiz , I was supposed to have set a question ! Quote Link to comment
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