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There are probably other threads dealing with this subject, but I think it bears repeating. Let me offer a disclaimer here ... I too have been guilty of the following from time to time, but am striving to do better. :)

 

I think the cachers who log a find with TNLN TFTC, or even the same thing written our longhand, are cheapskates! :)

 

This game is free for all, and that is great, but a finder should at least "pay" the cache owner the small fee of a decent log. Even if they found the cache to be lame, then at least say that, in a nice way, of course. B)

 

There has been some comment in other threads recently, that a cache owner puts some of themselves into caches, and we have the fun/enjoyment/adventure of finding what someone has hidden, sometimes, at a substantial effort. IMHO, a finder should at least "pay" the owner some comments about the cache!

 

I know we aren't all writers, but is it so hard to take a few minutes and thank the owner in the form of a few comments? I for one get great enjoyment out of reading something of the experiences of those that have found my caches, even comments where the cacher wasn't completely satisfied .... Helps me to hide better caches in the future.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

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There are probably other threads dealing with this subject, but I think it bears repeating. Let me offer a disclaimer here ... I too have been guilty of the following from time to time, but am striving to do better. :)

 

I think the cachers who log a find with TNLN TFTC, or even the same thing written our longhand, are cheapskates! :)

 

This game is free for all, and that is great, but a finder should at least "pay" the cache owner the small fee of a decent log. Even if they found the cache to be lame, then at least say that, in a nice way, of course. B)

 

There has been some comment in other threads recently, that a cache owner puts some of themselves into caches, and we have the fun/enjoyment/adventure of finding what someone has hidden, sometimes, at a substantial effort. IMHO, a finder should at least "pay" the owner some comments about the cache!

 

I know we aren't all writers, but is it so hard to take a few minutes and thank the owner in the form of a few comments? I for one get great enjoyment out of reading something of the experiences of those that have found my caches, even comments where the cacher wasn't completely satisfied .... Helps me to hide better caches in the future.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

Caches that are so crappy, nothing nice can be said, are the only exceptions for leaving short logs.

 

We recently discussed this topic, and it definately deserves a bump. The lost art of logging (Laziness or "monkey see, monkey do"? )

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Y'all pay attention to the OP, she is right on the mark!

 

Log should be an indication of your enjoyment getting the cache. Talk to us so we can make improvements. TNLN is fine for a Wally World LPC, unless getting to it was an experience, but a bit more for most caches is in order.

 

My 2 cents worth, no change needed.

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Y'all pay attention to the OP, she is right on the mark!

 

Log should be an indication of your enjoyment getting the cache. Talk to us so we can make improvements. TNLN is fine for a Wally World LPC, unless getting to it was an experience, but a bit more for most caches is in order.

 

My 2 cents worth, no change needed.

 

:) OK .. I gues I shoulda added that this is the BC half of BC & MsKitty.... not a she! :)

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I usually try to log something unique on each cache and it used to bother me to see someone cut and paste, but after a long day of caching , when I go to enter my log and I can't even remember anything about the cache since I found the same micros hidden in the same way all over town and I have to go back and read about the cache to see if I can remember something about it, I think "TFTC" or "TNLNSL" is just fine.

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Y'all pay attention to the OP, she is right on the mark!

 

Log should be an indication of your enjoyment getting the cache. Talk to us so we can make improvements. TNLN is fine for a Wally World LPC, unless getting to it was an experience, but a bit more for most caches is in order.

 

My 2 cents worth, no change needed.

 

You can even write "encrypted logs" on lame caches, without being offensive.

 

Great examples include;

 

"If it wasn't for geocaching, I would have never known this parking lot existed."

 

"I always wondered where the local homeless lived, thanks for showing me." :)

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It's called freedom of choice and the ability to exercise it regardless of another person's opinion.

 

Although I tend to write better logs than the abbreviated style you mention, I would hate to be restricted from that choice. Sometimes I might be in a hurry and want to log the find with the intention of coming back later.

 

Fortunately I don't find myself in such a situation that the backlog of finds is a problem with me, so going back to flesh it out isn't an issue.

 

Then you have the cache machines where you will have a high number of finds. Typing out fleshed out logs for 50 or more caches can be a daunting task.

 

All things considered, instead of griping about the abbreviated logs and calling people cheapskates :) , be glad they logged at all. If that's all you're getting, then consider the quality of your hide may be at issue.

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As time goes on I feel my cache hides have improved. What I have noticed is that the better my hide the better the logs I receive. This fits with the way I write logs. If you hid a great cache I do my best to write a great log. Not saying I succeed, but I try. If you hid a crappy cache, well, what did you expect?

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There are probably other threads dealing with this subject, but I think it bears repeating. Let me offer a disclaimer here ... I too have been guilty of the following from time to time, but am striving to do better. :)

 

I think the cachers who log a find with TNLN TFTC, or even the same thing written our longhand, are cheapskates! :)

 

This game is free for all, and that is great, but a finder should at least "pay" the cache owner the small fee of a decent log. Even if they found the cache to be lame, then at least say that, in a nice way, of course. B)

 

There has been some comment in other threads recently, that a cache owner puts some of themselves into caches, and we have the fun/enjoyment/adventure of finding what someone has hidden, sometimes, at a substantial effort. IMHO, a finder should at least "pay" the owner some comments about the cache!

 

I know we aren't all writers, but is it so hard to take a few minutes and thank the owner in the form of a few comments? I for one get great enjoyment out of reading something of the experiences of those that have found my caches, even comments where the cacher wasn't completely satisfied .... Helps me to hide better caches in the future.

 

Just my 2 cents worth.

As I have said many times before in similar threads, I personally get much enjoyment out of putting a lot of tender loving care (TLC) into all of my online log entries, whether they be find logs, DNFs, notes, etc. Of course, it is also true that when I am traveling in distant cities and/or regions, I may sometimes end up finding urban caches that are rather lame or even VERY lame, and in those cases, of course, my log entries will be much more brief!

 

It is also worth noting that Sue and I share our team account, and while I tend to leave long log entries for most of my finds, Sue often tends to leave far shorter and more cryptic log entries for her finds, and she finds far more caches each month than do I. Of course, it is also true that she often finds plenty of caches which are nothing other than lame urban micros, and so that may explain the brevity of some of her log entries!

 

Incidentally, I do not always expect log entries to be "nice"! We own a lot of 5/5 caches and terrain 5 caches, some of which are located in some pretty nasty spots, including the following:

  • storm drains which carry polluted runoff water from unremediated EPA-listed toxic waste industrial sites.
  • caches which guarantee that you will acquire some scrapes, cuts and bruises (or worse) while scoring the find and you will end up sore and bloodied, and very dirty and smelly.
  • caches located in dingy dark underground tunnels infested with rodent droppings, cat droppings, empty used syringes, broken liquor bottles, sex cruisers of all kinds, drug users and drug dealers, human waste, human bodily fluids and blood.
  • cache stage located in an abandoned nuclear reactor sites which is contaminated with toxic chemical waste and infested with rodents carrying hantavirus and the plague microbe.

For some of these caches, about the best that some finders (all of whom knew up front that the cache was a gory 5/5 Psycho Urban cache) can say is something along the lines of ""This was utterly horrible -- it was the worst experience of my life, and I would never do it again, but I loved every minute of it!"

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It's called freedom of choice and the ability to exercise it regardless of another person's opinion.

 

All things considered, instead of griping about the abbreviated logs and calling people cheapskates :) , be glad they logged at all. If that's all you're getting, then consider the quality of your hide may be at issue.

 

I guess there will always be some who find something wrong with whatever one says! Sorry if I came across as "griping" .... it was a joke, son .. a joke! Hence the laughing face after that sentence. Please don't confuse my comments with some of the threads I have been seeing here lately!

I have never yet hidden run of the mill micros, or a lpc, and most of the comments on my caches are acceptable. I was just trying to make the point that it is nice to see some comments in return for the effort put into hiding. I have seen lots of logs on caches that I have found that are little more than "fill in the blanks" to get the smiley, when they have deserved better.

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As time goes on I feel my cache hides have improved. What I have noticed is that the better my hide the better the logs I receive. This fits with the way I write logs. If you hid a great cache I do my best to write a great log. Not saying I succeed, but I try. If you hid a crappy cache, well, what did you expect?
Exactly! It's feedback. If you want better logs then hide better caches. :)
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It's called freedom of choice and the ability to exercise it regardless of another person's opinion.

 

All things considered, instead of griping about the abbreviated logs and calling people cheapskates :) , be glad they logged at all. If that's all you're getting, then consider the quality of your hide may be at issue.

 

I guess there will always be some who find something wrong with whatever one says! Sorry if I came across as "griping" .... it was a joke, son .. a joke! Hence the laughing face after that sentence. Please don't confuse my comments with some of the threads I have been seeing here lately!

I have never yet hidden run of the mill micros, or a lpc, and most of the comments on my caches are acceptable. I was just trying to make the point that it is nice to see some comments in return for the effort put into hiding. I have seen lots of logs on caches that I have found that are little more than "fill in the blanks" to get the smiley, when they have deserved better.

I agree. I guess the best thing is to lead by example and write longer logs on the caches you find. When I first started caching, I followed the example of the previous short logs on the caches I found and thought that was the norm. :)

 

Maybe a little "explanation" on the log page that encouraged people to write in detail about their experience and express their thanks to the cache owner for placing the cache would be a helpful suggestion.

 

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Of course, there are some people just don't like to write, however. A friend often just logs a simple "Thanks."

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I'm just happy when someone visits my cache, a nice log is an added bonus. It seems too many people are concerned how other people geocache, hide, find, log, etc.

 

Lighten up folks, it's supposed to be fun. :D

This is true, but I do think it is nice to thank people! ;) Edited by TrailGators
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. . .Incidentally, I do not always expect log entries to be "nice"! We own a lot of 5/5 caches and terrain 5 caches, some of which are located in some pretty nasty spots, including the following:

  • storm drains which carry polluted runoff water from unremediated EPA-listed toxic waste industrial sites.
  • caches which guarantee that you will acquire some scrapes, cuts and bruises (or worse) while scoring the find and you will end up sore and bloodied, and very dirty and smelly.
  • caches located in dingy dark underground tunnels infested with rodent droppings, cat droppings, empty used syringes, broken liquor bottles, sex cruisers of all kinds, drug users and drug dealers, human waste, human bodily fluids and blood.
  • cache stage located in an abandoned nuclear reactor sites which is contaminated with toxic chemical waste and infested with rodents carrying hantavirus and the plague microbe.

For some of these caches, about the best that some finders (all of whom knew up front that the cache was a gory 5/5 Psycho Urban cache) can say is something along the lines of ""This was utterly horrible -- it was the worst experience of my life, and I would never do it again, but I loved every minute of it!"

Here, as a postscript to my earlier reply above, are some recent logs from our Psycho Urban Cache #10 - Derelict Grunge Acropolis; the cache is a 5/5 and the cache listing page warns explicitly about the many bizarre and disgusting things that may be encountered at the cache site. These logs are a great example of logs into which the finders have put some good time and care, and where the content of some of the logs is less than "nice", and sometimes even downright nasty, but where we much appreciated reading the logs anyway! Here are just a few of the logs:

;) March 29 by f......e (1741 found)

This was certainly a fun one to go for after 3 attempts I finally made the find. Swore it was not there the last time but lo and behold it was not. Glad it was this time as it seemed that someone was firing a gun and may be having fun or who knows? As I put the cache back the smell hits us and it was just firecrackers, the sound they made after being dropped in the holed above were loud and painful to my ears so it was nice not to hear them again when we left the building. Can I just say I am glad to not ever come back here? Well unless I make a trip to Fort Carroll.

 

;) March 29 by f.....w....s (765 found)

OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG........

Nasty, Nasty, Nasty, Nasty, Nasty, Nasty, Nasty.....

 

Never in our 30 some odd and 40 some odd years have we ever experienced anything to this degree of disgusting.

 

Thanks to Apollis for going where no man should ever have to go. Stopped on the way home and bought Lysol body soap and used Bleach for shampoo. Bonfire at our house tonight to burn the clothes we wore!

 

SL TFTC may we never have to return.

 

:D March 29 by S....yA.....s (1172 found)

Caching with Flight....... The area was filled with backed in vehicles and loners walking about when we arrived this afternoon. No one bothered us and most had left before we were done. I did try to scare the rest off by pulling my night scope out of the trunk to show Flight, it looks like a video camera at a distance, but we only got some hard stares.

The old fortress was really cool and was well worth some serious exploring but the graffiti, trash, smells, porn mag pages, sex paraphernalia, drug paraphernalia, gay sex cruisers and all sorts of other nasty stuff kinda took away from it and limited any exploring to just the bare minimum to make the find. I (Apollis) jumped at the chance / got nominated to climb up and start searching. Not too bad up there and all the better since I really didn't want to look to hard at what was down below. This cache was more of a test of nerves and stomach than anything physical. I've done construction work in sewage treatment plants and real crack houses and I don't believe they even come close to being as sick as this(I'LL NEVER COMPLAIN TO MY BOSS AGAIN).

Maybe instead of a PUC series this one could be "How addicted to Geocaching are you?" series. In that case, a 5/5 such as this mean you'll do most anything as long as your caching and your a hopeless addict (SUCH AS US).

Anyhow all in all it was still fun and TFTC! Hope a Tetnus was just all we needed.

 

:lol: September 1, 2007 by J.....n (1891 found)

I pulled up to see a large crowd already waiting at the parking area. After a few more cachers arrived, we set off to GZ, spread out and started searching. With a crowd this large, it didn't take too long before the cache was spotted. The location does live up to it's reputation, it's dirty, slimey and and totally disgusting. Our large crowd kept the residents away, but there was one guy in a suit and tie who came up and asked if we were looking for a date. After telling him no, he joined us on the cache hunt.

 

:lol: September 1, 2007 by h....3 (169 found)

Found with monster group today it is always great to know there are scummier places in baltimore than what most people know about. Thanks for showing me this one. I dont want to know how exactly you came across this place but it definately goes down in my book as the most disgusting places I have visited. I am glad that while walking about I did not come across any of the uncomfortable situations previously mentioned in the logs, I think on this day we had the locals scattering. TNLNSL

 

:lol: September 1, 2007 by m.....l (387 found)

Arrived here 2 minutes after the posted meeting time for the CoupleOcachers organized monster group, and already cachers had filled the fort. Fortunately when I crawled into the area of GZ, the earlier finders had cleared out and I was able to make the find myself. I was prepared with latex gloves and body armor to shield myself from the resident slime and microbial flora. Definitely a fun experience,

Thanks, Mark

 

:lol: December 30, 2006 by e......J.....p (822 found)

What can I say about this cache. I have done a many crazy things in my life but the level of filth and nastyness at this cache site defanetly had me on edge. I mean the guys in Team Extreme are pretty tough big guys and I was nervous looking at some of the shady characters here.

 

This place would be awesome if not for the level of disrepair it was in. I have to say I was not looking forward to a prolonged search for this cache and was glad when my first hunch paid off with the find. Cache was in excellent shape and guarded by I swear Shelob herself (a friggin HUGE spider). Also think I took the possibly hardest way to get there.

 

:o December 30, 2006 by m......8 (738 found)

Got to this cache with Team Extreme just before nightfall and just before the night crowd was showing up. A truely derelict area. After stepping/reaching on and over many spent birth control devices and other such paraphernalia I suggest getting every vaccination possible before attempting this. Finally the great X made the find and I went to see for myself. We all signed the log and took off like a bat outta hell. TFTC!

 

:o December 8, 2006 by C.....A....n (385 found)

Great location. Completely disgusting. But, so many possibilities. We spent a lot of time searching every nook and cranny for this one. Two phone-a-friends didn't help us. No find for us ;-(

 

No question, this would be a phenomenal place to play high-stakes paintball or simple capture the flag.

 

;) December 8, 2006 by m......d (382 found)

Well, there goes two hours of my life that I will never regain. This cache is sick and tough (where did I see that before?). We arrived filled with hubris having found PUC8 and it's puzzle companion without injury. Even the cruisers didn't faze us. Then I saw them: cave crickets! dadgum, Vinny and Sue Team must love those little horrors. Strangely, I found myself thinking how plump and succulent they looked up there on the ceiling. Kinda threw off my caching mojo, which may explain why *I* didn't find it, but odragon and Crazy Aaron were there too and they were no help at all. Well, odragon did give me a boost up in one or two places, but what happens in the Derelict Grunge Acropolis stays in the Derelict Grunge Acropolis.

 

Despite the fact that some of these logs were not "nice", we loved reading each and every one of them! :o:o

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Maybe a little "explanation" on the log page that encouraged people to write in detail about their experience and express their thanks to the cache owner for placing the cache would be a helpful suggestion.

 

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Of course, there are some people just don't like to write, however. A friend often just logs a simple "Thanks."

 

I like this. A short explination of each log type right there in front of you when you select it. You should submit it as a feature request.

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I have to agree with the OP. I hate when I get just TNLNSL on my log sheets. I don't believe that is an indicator of the quality of the cache. I have a couple of caches which have had many long story posts to them for finds and many, many DNFs as well because I put in a lot of time planning those hides. Yet, even though they can see that everyone else has posted stories (sometimes 2, a DNF and a find) they feel compelled to leave only TNLN.

 

I always leave some description of my experience and I try to make it different for every cache. I don't usually have a problem remembering details about each cache even though I have short term memory problems resulting from a car accident, although I usually don't find more than 15-20 caches on a normal caching day. I usually jot down something quick about each cache when I find them; usually it is only one or two words long, just enough to spark some type of memory so that I can right a decent log for the cache.

 

When someone writes, "Decided to cache today, found 5" on log sheets of all 5 caches he visited that day. I am so happy he could manage to find 5, I really need to read that on every email I open!

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I'm just happy when someone visits my cache, a nice log is an added bonus. It seems too many people are concerned how other people geocache, hide, find, log, etc.

 

Lighten up folks, it's supposed to be fun. ;)

 

I have to disagree with this. One of the most giving and often thankless things someone can do is to put forth the effort and expense of hiding a cache. Logging is the fundamental connection between cachers, it builds community, it can be informative, but most of all it is a common courtesy that acknowledges the volunteer effort in which the game is based on.

 

If a cacher is consistently not taking the opportunity to say "thanks" or worse writing things that are less than positive, this brings the entire game down and it erodes the local geocaching community. So I'll contend that logging is one area where we should pay close attention to what others are doing and offer encouragement when someone is in the habit of not simply saying thanks. I honestly think that some (perhaps those who do not hide caches) cachers need this pointed out to them in order to make the connection.

 

There's plenty of other aspects of caching where folks could probably enjoy the game more by minding their own business but this is not one of them.

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It's called freedom of choice and the ability to exercise it regardless of another person's opinion.

 

Although I tend to write better logs than the abbreviated style you mention, I would hate to be restricted from that choice. Sometimes I might be in a hurry and want to log the find with the intention of coming back later.

 

Fortunately I don't find myself in such a situation that the backlog of finds is a problem with me, so going back to flesh it out isn't an issue.

 

Then you have the cache machines where you will have a high number of finds. Typing out fleshed out logs for 50 or more caches can be a daunting task.

 

All things considered, instead of griping about the abbreviated logs and calling people cheapskates ;) , be glad they logged at all. If that's all you're getting, then consider the quality of your hide may be at issue.

This is the way i see it as well. I very rarely do the copy and paste thing myself, but i've used the method a couple of times when faced with a bunch of caches to be logged and being in a time crunch. Even then, i added more to those that were, imo, more worthwhile caches. I do not care for initials at all as there are way too many used these days in all aspects of our lives. It's not that hard to just go ahead and spell it out so that's what i do, even on what i feel are lameO caches.

 

Some people aren't creative in their writing, some are just lazy, and some just don't have time to write an aww inspiring log. My advice is to not take it personally when the "cheapskate" logs come in as it's gonna happen on almost all caches, no matter how great they are. Of course it might be good to look at the cache hide itself if the majority of the logs are of the tnsl type...

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I have to agree with the OP. I hate when I get just TNLNSL on my log sheets. I don't believe that is an indicator of the quality of the cache. I have a couple of caches which have had many long story posts to them for finds and many, many DNFs as well because I put in a lot of time planning those hides. Yet, even though they can see that everyone else has posted stories (sometimes 2, a DNF and a find) they feel compelled to leave only TNLN.

 

Nothing you can do will completely stop this from happening. Some people are always going to do the minimum. You could make it a logging requirement to post with more than twenty five words but I don't think it is worth the effort.

 

I really think that the best answer is to set a good example and encourage others to do their best. It never hurts to thank people for a great log.

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Well, as a newbie, I've done all of the above. I've written the dreaded "3 of 8 found today, TNLNSL, TFTC". I've also written essays on the adventures. I guess I never considered whether the CO reads each and every post. I kinda thought some hiders probably never read them. Some might read them, and maybe others get notified and read each one the day it gets logged. I'll certainly be more cognizant of what I write. Maybe a little education to those of us who haven't hidden yet would help? This thread will probably help, at least for those of us who check out the forums.

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It's called freedom of choice and the ability to exercise it regardless of another person's opinion.

 

All things considered, instead of griping about the abbreviated logs and calling people cheapskates ;) , be glad they logged at all. If that's all you're getting, then consider the quality of your hide may be at issue.

 

I guess there will always be some who find something wrong with whatever one says! Sorry if I came across as "griping" .... it was a joke, son .. a joke! Hence the laughing face after that sentence. Please don't confuse my comments with some of the threads I have been seeing here lately!

I have never yet hidden run of the mill micros, or a lpc, and most of the comments on my caches are acceptable. I was just trying to make the point that it is nice to see some comments in return for the effort put into hiding. I have seen lots of logs on caches that I have found that are little more than "fill in the blanks" to get the smiley, when they have deserved better.

Nope.... I saw the smiley for what it was, but you echoed an ongoing sentiment about cache finders in general.

 

Generally speaking, there are those who keep trying to imprint their own standard of how the game should be played, e.g. logs written, hide to find ratios, how to find a cache, how to leave a cache, etc.

 

My point (apparently missed), is to not worry about the small stuff like FC TNLNSL TFTC. There are a lot bigger issues like what beer to drink after agreeing on which pizza you want after a good caching day.

 

Quality caches more times than not will illicit great logs, be they Finds, DNFs or simple Notes. For those that choose to quickly TNLN SL TFTC... ok... they did it. So what? At least they logged it. There are those that leave no imprint on your cache page they were there at all, and maybe even don't sign the log book in the cache. Shall we "gripe" about them? Noooo... it doesn't fall into the "which pizza can we agree on" category.

 

Low quality caches will most likely receive TFTC and the finder will move on. Once in a blue moon someone will put a great log in at how great that evil cache was because it took them forever to find it even though everybody else lamely put in TNLNSL TFTC.

 

-=-=edit to self: turn on lights to type=-=-

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Are we talking the actual log at the cach or the online log?

 

I just sign my name at the cache log. I do my writing online. Often the cach logs are damp, ripped, or falling apart. Writing there does not seem permanent to me whereas online one can see all the logs without faded, blurry, torn aprt writing.

 

My online logs usually describe what I experenced while getting to/finding/ or observing around me. After a day of caching, I can spend up to 1-2 hours logging online.

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...a finder should at least "pay" the cache owner the small fee of a decent log. Even if they found the cache to be lame, then at least say that, in a nice way, of course. ;) ...

I agree. The log is about the only payment the owner gets for placing the cache. So a nice even if short log is a good rule of thumb.

 

There are always exceptions. Some cachers that's all the more they have to say. Some it's all the more they should say. Some of the former will walk up and shake your hand in person and tell you face to face how much they enjoyed your caches with a smile on their face and an honest twinkle in their eye, then next week log TFTC just like normal.

 

Sometimes TNLN means your cache sucked and that was the nice way to say it. There is always a bigger picture to keep in mind as you read logs and get to know your local cachers and their ways. Until then give them the benefit of the doubt. You will be happier between the good logs.

 

Oh, I forgot to add, the ones who don't sign the log online or in the cache are what I call parasites. Those are the real cheapskates, or paranoid. Even there though some are protesting the find count, and others are tag alongs enjoying the cache but not computer literate enough to write a log. So even among parasites there are mitigating factors that you need to track. I know of two people who avoid logs both of them are welcome to loglessly find my caches.

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My point (apparently missed), is to not worry about the small stuff like FC TNLNSL TFTC. There are a lot bigger issues like what beer to drink after agreeing on which pizza you want after a good caching day.

 

 

;):D

Gota agree with you there!

 

My only point was to try to encourage some folks to put a bit more effort into the logs of caches that deserve it (myself included). Not at all to try to impose my standard, or any one else's. I just think it is a good way to say thanks.

Edited by BC & MsKitty
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Are we talking the actual log at the cach or the online log?

 

I just sign my name at the cache log. I do my writing online. Often the cach logs are damp, ripped, or falling apart. Writing there does not seem permanent to me whereas online one can see all the logs without faded, blurry, torn aprt writing.

 

My online logs usually describe what I experenced while getting to/finding/ or observing around me. After a day of caching, I can spend up to 1-2 hours logging online.

 

I was referring to the online log.

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I agree with the OP, but understand why some of the numbers hounds fail to leave much of a log. My last find received a three paragraph log in the spirit of the cache series theme. That was my way of expressing appreciation for all the work that they put into the cache page and the cache series. My last DNF received a poem response sort of expaining my failure to find it. This is no problem for me as I rarely look for more than three geocaches on a trip, and I'm pretty selective in what I look for. But I understand where the numbers hounds are coming from. I observed three of them on a local rails-to-trails jaunt last year. One looked for the cache; one got out of the car and looked up the trail; the third stayed in the car and planned their route to the next cache. Their logs consisted of just a few words. Since only one of them actually found the cache and signed the log there was only one caching experience to write about unless they stated: "I sat in the car and my friend found the cache and signed the log, but I now have 3,500 smileys. ;)

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