Velcro on Monuments?

[+nerdling]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

[crawil]

IMHO - At some future time, when the hider removes the cache, there should be no evidence that the cache was there. If any evidence remains, then the hiding method needs to be re-thought.

[+MountainRacer]

I agree... I don't think that adhesive Velcro in a hide method on public property is very appropriate cache hiding. It seems to cross the 'leave no trace' line straddled by responsible caching.

[+Team Cotati]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

 

Sticking stuff on a monument like that is trashy, cheap, cheesy and insulting. Even if done with 'permission'.

 

Some things are just wrong on the face of it such that respectful caring responsible people just won't do it.

 

Being a member of the geocaching community does not excuse someone from observing basic decency.

 

I've seen this type stuff more than once and am totally repulsed every time.

Edited April 1, 2008 by Team Cotati

[+briansnat]

Not a getting started issue. Moving to general forum

[+Mij-aka-Julie]

A monument, like perhaps one in D.C? We can't assume that any monument has any less significance to someone. Sorry, but I say a very loud "NO" to that one. We need to be respectful.

[+El Diablo]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

 

Sticking stuff on a monument like that is trashy, cheap, cheesy and insulting. Even if done with 'permission'.

 

Some things are just wrong on the face of it such that respectful caring responsible people just won't do it.

 

Being a member of the geocaching community does not excuse someone from observing basic decency.

 

I've seen this type stuff more than once and am totally repulsed every time.

 

What he said.

 

El Diablo

[+Driver Carries Cache]

If the monument is stone, the adhesive that attaches the velcro will leave a permanent mark. The oil from your hands will mar stone... it really doesn't take much.

 

DCC

Edited April 1, 2008 by Driver Carries Cache

[+Confucius' Cat]

Sticky Velcro® tends to release after a few weeks or months in hot weather and when it does it leaves a sticky, gooey mess that is hard to clean up,

 

It would be much better IMO, to use a permanent concrete anchor bolt. The only real challenge will be drilling the hole, but htat has become easier with the advent of the "universal" battery powered tools... a battery powered hammer-drill can be obtained for under a hundred dollars at some discount stores. Or you could revert to the old-fashioned hammer and star-drill, but this requires a lot of elbow grease to work efficiently.

[+nerdling]

Sticky Velcro® tends to release after a few weeks or months in hot weather and when it does it leaves a sticky, gooey mess that is hard to clean up,

 

It would be much better IMO, to use a permanent concrete anchor bolt. The only real challenge will be drilling the hole, but htat has become easier with the advent of the "universal" battery powered tools... a battery powered hammer-drill can be obtained for under a hundred dollars at some discount stores. Or you could revert to the old-fashioned hammer and star-drill, but this requires a lot of elbow grease to work efficiently.

OMG Somebody would die for doing that lol. Actually the monument in question is the mast of the USS Oregon. I know it doesn't mean much to most people. But to others its a state treasure.

[+SixDogTeam]

Don't do it.

[+Rockin Roddy]

I believe this is against guidelines (defacing public property) and is frowned upon by GS as well as most cachers. This is another little way to tick off landowners or park officials which could lead to trouble!

 

We've found a few multi's with just a sticker for the first stage...these aren't a good idea either!

[CoyoteRed]

What do you all think

I think it not a good idea.

[+whistler & co.]

On public property that is of a more ephemeral nature (park bench, lamp post, litter receptacle), I feel that if velcro is used discreetly it's not really a problem. However, a monument or memorial is meant to endure for many, if not hundreds, of years and to deface it in any way is unethical.

[+JoGPS]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

 

Sticking stuff on a monument like that is trashy, cheap, cheesy and insulting. Even if done with 'permission'.

 

Some things are just wrong on the face of it such that respectful caring responsible people just won't do it.

 

Being a member of the geocaching community does not excuse someone from observing basic decency.

 

I've seen this type stuff more than once and am totally repulsed every time.

 

YOU ARE Soooooooooooooo WRONG

 

Velcro on Monuments?

 

It works for me Mission Impossible has been in place since 2003 , and yes it does release after about six months and leaves no adhesive trace and have permission for placement and hide method

 

Go for it

 

Joe

[+Rockin Roddy]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

 

Sticking stuff on a monument like that is trashy, cheap, cheesy and insulting. Even if done with 'permission'.

 

Some things are just wrong on the face of it such that respectful caring responsible people just won't do it.

 

Being a member of the geocaching community does not excuse someone from observing basic decency.

 

I've seen this type stuff more than once and am totally repulsed every time.

 

YOU ARE Soooooooooooooo WRONG

 

Velcro on Monuments?

 

It works for me Mission Impossible has been in place since 2003 , and yes it does release after about six months and leaves no adhesive trace and have permission for placement and hide method

 

Go for it

 

Joe

 

I think the key here is you got permission to place it in this manner. I'm not sure of many places which WILL give permission for this type of hide...so congrats! I can't think of many places which would WANT people climbing on, groping about or whatever while searching on or around an historic or cultural monument. I'm for respecting our monuments.

 

Also, to the OP....maybe you should run it past your reviewer before going to much trouble, they might not like the hide themselves...

[+nerdling]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

 

Sticking stuff on a monument like that is trashy, cheap, cheesy and insulting. Even if done with 'permission'.

 

Some things are just wrong on the face of it such that respectful caring responsible people just won't do it.

 

Being a member of the geocaching community does not excuse someone from observing basic decency.

 

I've seen this type stuff more than once and am totally repulsed every time.

 

YOU ARE Soooooooooooooo WRONG

 

Velcro on Monuments?

 

It works for me Mission Impossible has been in place since 2003 , and yes it does release after about six months and leaves no adhesive trace and have permission for placement and hide method

 

Go for it

 

Joe

 

I think the key here is you got permission to place it in this manner. I'm not sure of many places which WILL give permission for this type of hide...so congrats! I can't think of many places which would WANT people climbing on, groping about or whatever while searching on or around an historic or cultural monument. I'm for respecting our monuments.

 

Also, to the OP....maybe you should run it past your reviewer before going to much trouble, they might not like the hide themselves...

How do I get in contact with my local reviewer? I've never done that before? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was magnetic as that wouldn't hurt a metal mast at all. But Velcro I'm not to keen on. I did some checking and it seems the person that put the cache out has had a few others taken down for not getting permission and things like that.

Edited April 2, 2008 by nerdling

[+Rockin Roddy]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

 

Sticking stuff on a monument like that is trashy, cheap, cheesy and insulting. Even if done with 'permission'.

 

Some things are just wrong on the face of it such that respectful caring responsible people just won't do it.

 

Being a member of the geocaching community does not excuse someone from observing basic decency.

 

I've seen this type stuff more than once and am totally repulsed every time.

 

YOU ARE Soooooooooooooo WRONG

 

Velcro on Monuments?

 

It works for me Mission Impossible has been in place since 2003 , and yes it does release after about six months and leaves no adhesive trace and have permission for placement and hide method

 

Go for it

 

Joe

 

I think the key here is you got permission to place it in this manner. I'm not sure of many places which WILL give permission for this type of hide...so congrats! I can't think of many places which would WANT people climbing on, groping about or whatever while searching on or around an historic or cultural monument. I'm for respecting our monuments.

 

Also, to the OP....maybe you should run it past your reviewer before going to much trouble, they might not like the hide themselves...

How do I get in contact with my local reviewer? I've never done that before? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was magnetic as that wouldn't hurt a metal mast at all. But Velcro I'm not to keen on. I did some checking and it seems the person that put the cache out has had a few others taken down for not getting permission and things like that.

The reviewer's name is the one in the log (usually the first log of a cache) which says Published (or something like this) at the bottom of any cache...usually, this person has 0 finds!

 

I just re-read the OP, you might want to ask the person who hid the cache first to find out if permission was given for this type of hide before asking a reviewer to jump in. I need to read the posts better.... This would be a courtesy to the hider of the cache!

Edited April 2, 2008 by Rockin Roddy

[+simpjkee]

I personally think it is not right to deface a monument with velcro. Something magnetized I think I could be ok ay with though.

[+El Diablo]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

 

Sticking stuff on a monument like that is trashy, cheap, cheesy and insulting. Even if done with 'permission'.

 

Some things are just wrong on the face of it such that respectful caring responsible people just won't do it.

 

Being a member of the geocaching community does not excuse someone from observing basic decency.

 

I've seen this type stuff more than once and am totally repulsed every time.

 

YOU ARE Soooooooooooooo WRONG

 

Velcro on Monuments?

 

It works for me Mission Impossible has been in place since 2003 , and yes it does release after about six months and leaves no adhesive trace and have permission for placement and hide method

 

Go for it

 

Joe

 

Joe, you know I respect you, but I have to disagree. It may release without leaving a trace, but most people will preceive it as disfiguring. Perception is reality.

 

El Diablo

[+TrailGators]

Perception is reality.

This is true. I don't think it's a good idea for this reason.

[+The Jester]

Sticky Velcro® tends to release after a few weeks or months in hot weather and when it does it leaves a sticky, gooey mess that is hard to clean up,

 

It would be much better IMO, to use a permanent concrete anchor bolt. The only real challenge will be drilling the hole, but htat has become easier with the advent of the "universal" battery powered tools... a battery powered hammer-drill can be obtained for under a hundred dollars at some discount stores. Or you could revert to the old-fashioned hammer and star-drill, but this requires a lot of elbow grease to work efficiently.

OMG Somebody would die for doing that lol. Actually the monument in question is the mast of the USS Oregon. I know it doesn't mean much to most people. But to others its a state treasure.

A mast? You won't need a drill for that, a power hammer would do the job!

[CoyoteRed]

I see some folks are advocating a magnetic attachment.

 

You might want to reconsider unless some tests are done to see if even that would damage the surface. A strong magnet will be difficult to pull straight off the surface--it's end up sliding a bit. If the magnet is likemost keyholders I've seen then it is likely it would scratch. Add those scratches up and you've got some serious problems.

 

Some sort of protection on the magnet might be in order.

[+sbell111]

OMG

[+JoGPS]

OMG

 

could not agree more

[+egami]

As long as you can throw a frisbee, imo.

[+Rockin Roddy]

As long as you can throw a frisbee, imo.

 

Thinking of a recent monument I visited...a battleship docked in Mobile Al....no, definitely no frisbee playing there...

[+TotemLake]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

It's a tacky idea.

[+sbell111]

Just curious on what the general consensus is on somebody placing a micro cache on a historic monument with velcro? This was just done here in Oregon and I personally feel that its not entirely a good thing. I would figure that it would upset the park service as well as several groups that take care of this monument? What do you all think

It's a tacky idea.

'Tacky'. I get it.

[+Confucius' Cat]

This has truly become a monumental discussion.