No response to email!

[+linuxxpert]

Ok here's a question;

 

Why don't people answer their email? It has happened multiple times to me that COs not answer/reply to questions and/or comments. I am always nice and polite and usually ask simple to answer questions. This does not only apply to geocaching. A few weeks ago I found a suspected letterbox in bad shape near one of my caches and tried to find the owner, I emailed a few people and only some replied and I still do not know for sure who owns this letterbox. (I think I found the owner, but he/she never responded to me, at this point I don't care anymore.) This is also very true for Ebay sellers and tons more.

I don't care if you if you don't have the answers or don't want to answer, its just plain rude not to respond to an email at all!

Yeah I know about the excuses about email not getting delivered or end up in the spam folder... but thats 99% bull, I have been an internet user for more than 12 years now and I can count on one hand when mail got lost when properly address to me.

 

Sorry about the rant, had a bad week at work and its just too cold outside!

 

--Dutch

[+Renegade Knight]

The selfish bastards probably don't think answering the email is any fun.

[+Segerguy]

Dutch....relax dude!

 

Maybe, just maybe the CO is on vacation, maybe, just maybe the son or daughter just gave birth to their first grandchild, maybe, just maybe the are on their way to Arizona to watch to Superbowl!

 

I'm just trying to say that maybe there are things in their live that is way more important then checking there email. To a lot of people Geocaching is a hobby and it is down on this list of priorities in there everyday life...so give them a break. If they don't answer you, maybe you could contact a previous finder and ask them if they have some ideas that will help you to be successful.

 

Keep having fun.....enjoy this hobby....it's fun!!!

[+Cpt.Blackbeard]

I know many people (not cachers though) who only check thier mail once every few weeks and then they only open the ones they recognize by name.

And mail does get lost though as you say not often, but I sent myself an e-mail last week and it still hasn't arrived, and my brother sent me one which arrived two months after he sent it. Beats me where it was for two months, maybe the Government was dusting it for prints.

[+BlueDeuce]

Sorry about the rant, had a bad week at work and its just too cold outside!

 

We have a thread over in the Off Topic Forum for just these kind of rants. It's called 'Just One Of Those Weeks'.

 

The forum adds a grain of salt to every post there.

[+StarBrand]

Maybe they just don't like linux??

 

 

 

 

Filtered and lost email is actually becoming quite common as providers ramp up efforts to block SPAM - some of the good stuff gets caught up in the hunt. Life happens. Maybe they only respond to folks they know - not from strangers.

[+TheAlabamaRambler]

I know it is hard to believe, but many folks have a life that does not include computers as a primary component!

 

I know many folks that never check their email unless someone says "Hey, I sent you something!"

[+BlueDeuce]

It is possible that the email was never delivered or ended up in the spam folder.

 

[+Rattlebars]

 

Filtered and lost email is actually becoming quite common as providers ramp up efforts to block SPAM - some of the good stuff gets caught up in the hunt. Life happens. Maybe they only respond to folks they know - not from strangers.

 

Ditto. My provider just "changed the rules" so to speak and now I no longer get notifications from here and even order notifications from my own business web site! Some come thru. Some show up weeks later.

[nonaeroterraqueous]

That's the beauty of email. I can choose not to respond and it means nothing! If we meet face to face and I ask you a question, even if you choose not to reply to me your silence says volumes. That's why I like the forums; I can respond or not respond. It's even better than email that way (unless someone sends me a PM). It doesn't matter whether or not you're polite, or how serious the subject is; I simply may not wish to respond, and for no particular reason.

Edited January 26, 2008 by nonaeroterraqueous

[+PhxChem]

It has happened multiple times to me that COs not answer/reply to questions and/or comments

 

I'm with nonaeroterraqueous on this. A lot of times I don't have time to return email from students, family, etc.

 

There's no requirement that one return email if one possesses an email account.

 

 

Geocaching?

[Dinoprophet]

Here's one example: I recently set up a gmail account exclusively for geocaching and had it forward everything to my regular account. Earlier this week, it occurred to me that I hadn't received anything from the site in a while (I only have two caches and not a lot on my watch list). I logged in to the geocaching email, and lo and behold, I had four weeks of unforwarded email, including a question about one of my TBs and found logs on my lonely caches.

 

All is right again now. Last I checked.

 

Rare case, I'm sure, but it obviously can happen.

[+thedeadpirate]

That's the beauty of email. I can choose not to respond and it means nothing! If we meet face to face and I ask you a question, even if you choose not to reply to me your silence says volumes. That's why I like the forums; I can respond or not respond. It's even better than email that way (unless someone sends me a PM). It doesn't matter whether or not you're polite, or how serious the subject is; I simply may not wish to respond, and for no particular reason.

 

PM on the way....

[+JohnnyVegas]

I have e-mailed cachers when I suspect that they have loged a bogus finds on my caches. I have some caches that require special tools in order to make the grab. They never resond to my e-mails

It's kind of strange that when I check the caches, the names are not in the logs, or the names are in the logs but the caches have been vandalized in order to sign the logs.

But they sure get back to me when I delete their logs

[+carolnbarney]

That's why I like the forums; I can respond or not respond. It's even better than email that way (unless someone sends me a PM). It doesn't matter whether or not you're polite, or

 

Doesn't matter if you're polite or not??

 

Come on..............

 

Surely you didn't mean that??

 

Not being polite, even if someone ticks you off, is not acceptable IMHO!!

[+Vinny & Sue Team]

Ok here's a question;

 

Why don't people answer their email? It has happened multiple times to me that COs not answer/reply to questions and/or comments. I am always nice and polite and usually ask simple to answer questions. This does not only apply to geocaching. A few weeks ago I found a suspected letterbox in bad shape near one of my caches and tried to find the owner, I emailed a few people and only some replied and I still do not know for sure who owns this letterbox. (I think I found the owner, but he/she never responded to me, at this point I don't care anymore.) This is also very true for Ebay sellers and tons more.

I don't care if you if you don't have the answers or don't want to answer, its just plain rude not to respond to an email at all!

Yeah I know about the excuses about email not getting delivered or end up in the spam folder... but thats 99% bull, I have been an internet user for more than 12 years now and I can count on one hand when mail got lost when properly address to me.

 

Sorry about the rant, had a bad week at work and its just too cold outside!

 

--Dutch

You are not gonna like what I am gonna say, but, since you asked, here goes:

 

Basically, your Groundspeak user handle gives it all away: Your handle "linuxxpert", indicates that you are likely either a professional or a very dedicated/obsessed hobbyist in the world of computers, and as such, it is understandable that much of your world centers around PCs and digital telecomunications, and particularly, the Internet. So, you tend to wear computer-centric and Internet-centric glasses, and you seem to assume that everyone else in the world should too, that is, that everyone else in the world should be just as PC-focused and Internet-focused as are you. The reality is that this is not at all true, and the reality is that many people in this world are not on the web at all, or maybe get on just once per month or two or three times per year.

 

And, even for those who technically own an email addresses -- such as the email address which they may have used to open an account at Groundspeak or some other sport/hobby website or some special-topic forum or list group -- they may get on the web only rarely and may not attach much importance to uninvited and unsolicited email which arrives in their email box from a stranger such as yourself. Remember, just because you -- a stranger -- send someone an unsolicited and uninvited email does NOT obligate them to answer it, no more so than does sending a person an unsolicited and uninvited piece of postal mail obligate them to reply to you, and no more so than does making an unsolicited and uninvited phone call to a stranger does NOT obligate them to pick up the phone and engage in friendly chit-chat with you! Rather, those "obligations" which you assume are, and have been, in your imagination; they are your expectations and nothing else, and they are largely unreasonable and unrealistic.

 

Now, like you, I happen to be relatively PC-centric and web-centric in my own life, at least for much of each day. I happen to operate numerous websites and over 30 very busy email list groups on various topics, and I also write books and deliver lectures and consulting services around the world. Because of this, my email address (and my phone number) are announced rather prominently on all of my websites and in the sig line of each of my posts sent to my own list groups and also to list groups and forums operated by others. However, because my email address and phone number are so prominently displayed on the web, and have been since 1995, it is also true that I receive a modest volume each day of entirely unsolicited and uninvited email from strangers asking me bizarre and trivial questions (that they assume, for some reason, that I will be obligated to answer) or, weirder yet, asking me detailed consulting-genre questions (see footnote #1) that they assume that I will answer for free. Worse, many of these unsolicited emails bear no introduction and are often unsigned. I usually totally ignore these emails; they are deleted or moved to my "Idiots, Buffoons and Jerks" email folder as soon as I have read them and decided that they do not deserve a reply. So, in my case, yes, I am, like you, rather computer-centric and web-centric, but in my case I feel no obligation to answer unsolicited and uninvited emails sent by strangers!

 

footnote 1: for example, last nite I received an unsolicited email from a guy which read: "I found your websites and I know you are a scientist like me. I have developed after years research a magical new product that does xxxxxxxxx. I need you to tell me how to have it tested and documented. I also need you to teach me how to market it. Then I want you to find me customers. I do not believe in consultants so I will not be paying you anything. Consultants are insulting. Please reply before midnight as I am busy man. Do not ignore this letter. George." Can you guess how long it took me to move that post to my "Idiots, Buffoons and..." folder? Do you really think that I will ever reply to George?

[+Isonzo Karst]

What TAR said.

Within my extended family (I'm talking about a lot of people here), only one of my brothers can be reliably reached via email. Anybody else I'd better call them or drop a snail mail note.

 

And the less a person uses a computer, the less likely they are to handle email well. They get buried in spam because they don't know how to use filters, they have NO IDEA that their provider is grabbing everthing from GC.com (noreply@ is killer). They don't even notice that they've emailed someone from the site and not provided a return email address, so if you're inclined to respond, you have to chase the profile link back and email from there (which I mostly don't do).

[+linuxxpert]

Ok here's a question;

 

Why don't people answer their email? It has happened multiple times to me that COs not answer/reply to questions and/or comments. I am always nice and polite and usually ask simple to answer questions. This does not only apply to geocaching. A few weeks ago I found a suspected letterbox in bad shape near one of my caches and tried to find the owner, I emailed a few people and only some replied and I still do not know for sure who owns this letterbox. (I think I found the owner, but he/she never responded to me, at this point I don't care anymore.) This is also very true for Ebay sellers and tons more.

I don't care if you if you don't have the answers or don't want to answer, its just plain rude not to respond to an email at all!

Yeah I know about the excuses about email not getting delivered or end up in the spam folder... but thats 99% bull, I have been an internet user for more than 12 years now and I can count on one hand when mail got lost when properly address to me.

 

Sorry about the rant, had a bad week at work and its just too cold outside!

 

--Dutch

You are not gonna like what I am gonna say, but, since you asked, here goes:

 

Basically, your Groundspeak user handle gives it all away: Your handle "linuxxpert", indicates that you are likely either a professional or a very dedicated/obsessed hobbyist in the world of computers, and as such, it is understandable that much of your world centers around PCs and digital telecomunications, and particularly, the Internet. So, you tend to wear computer-centric and Internet-centric glasses, and you seem to assume that everyone else in the world should too, that is, that everyone else in the world should be just as PC-focused and Internet-focused as are you. The reality is that this is not at all true, and the reality is that many people in this world are not on the web at all, or maybe get on just once per month or two or three times per year.

 

And, even for those who technically own an email addresses -- such as the email address which they may have used to open an account at Groundspeak or some other sport/hobby website or some special-topic forum or list group -- they may get on the web only rarely and may not attach much importance to uninvited and unsolicited email which arrives in their email box from a stranger such as yourself. Remember, just because you -- a stranger -- send someone an unsolicited and uninvited email does NOT obligate them to answer it, no more so than does sending a person an unsolicited and uninvited piece of postal mail obligate them to reply to you, and no more so than does making an unsolicited and uninvited phone call to a stranger does NOT obligate them to pick up the phone and engage in friendly chit-chat with you! Rather, those "obligations" which you assume are, and have been, in your imagination; they are your expectations and nothing else, and they are largely unreasonable and unrealistic.

 

Now, like you, I happen to be relatively PC-centric and web-centric in my own life, at least for much of each day. I happen to operate numerous websites and over 30 very busy email list groups on various topics, and I also write books and deliver lectures and consulting services around the world. Because of this, my email address (and my phone number) are announced rather prominently on all of my websites and in the sig line of each of my posts sent to my own list groups and also to list groups and forums operated by others. However, because my email address and phone number are so prominently displayed on the web, and have been since 1995, it is also true that I receive a modest volume each day of entirely unsolicited and uninvited email from strangers asking me bizarre and trivial questions (that they assume, for some reason, that I will be obligated to answer) or, weirder yet, asking me detailed consulting-genre questions (see footnote #1) that they assume that I will answer for free. Worse, many of these unsolicited emails bear no introduction and are often unsigned. I usually totally ignore these emails; they are deleted or moved to my "Idiots, Buffoons and Jerks" email folder as soon as I have read them and decided that they do not deserve a reply. So, in my case, yes, I am, like you, rather computer-centric and web-centric, but in my case I feel no obligation to answer unsolicited and uninvited emails sent by strangers!

 

footnote 1: for example, last nite I received an unsolicited email from a guy which read: "I found your websites and I know you are a scientist like me. I have developed after years research a magical new product that does xxxxxxxxx. I need you to tell me how to have it tested and documented. I also need you to teach me how to market it. Then I want you to find me customers. I do not believe in consultants so I will not be paying you anything. Consultants are insulting. Please reply before midnight as I am busy man. Do not ignore this letter. George." Can you guess how long it took me to move that post to my "Idiots, Buffoons and..." folder? Do you really think that I will ever reply to George?

 

The internet may be a big part of my daily life, however I never sent out messages like that George guy, which you are right not to reply to. The messages I was referring to are more like; "Hey I found your cache, however the log is full/destroyed, you want me to replace it since I live 2 minutes away from it?", or "hey I see this shirt on your ebay listing but you don't have a size listed, what size is it?"

You cant convince me that people do not read/receive these emails, I never expect an answer right away unless YOU are trying to sell me something.

I also feel that when you list a cache, you should accept that people will contact you about the cache and that is just part of cache maintenance responsibility, no different than changing out a wet log, and this contact is solicited as soon as you activate your listing.

 

I think what it all comes down to for me is plain manners, you receive a "personal", not spam email, you should respond, you don't want to talk to these people tell them to "buzz off" and then ignore them.

 

 

Oh hey Vinny, check out my 5/5 listings, if you are ever in the area these are "must try" caches!

[+Vinny & Sue Team]

Ok here's a question;

 

Why don't people answer their email? It has happened multiple times to me that COs not answer/reply to questions and/or comments. I am always nice and polite and usually ask simple to answer questions. This does not only apply to geocaching. A few weeks ago I found a suspected letterbox in bad shape near one of my caches and tried to find the owner, I emailed a few people and only some replied and I still do not know for sure who owns this letterbox. (I think I found the owner, but he/she never responded to me, at this point I don't care anymore.) This is also very true for Ebay sellers and tons more.

I don't care if you if you don't have the answers or don't want to answer, its just plain rude not to respond to an email at all!

Yeah I know about the excuses about email not getting delivered or end up in the spam folder... but thats 99% bull, I have been an internet user for more than 12 years now and I can count on one hand when mail got lost when properly address to me.

 

Sorry about the rant, had a bad week at work and its just too cold outside!

 

--Dutch

You are not gonna like what I am gonna say, but, since you asked, here goes:

 

Basically, your Groundspeak user handle gives it all away: Your handle "linuxxpert", indicates that you are likely either a professional or a very dedicated/obsessed hobbyist in the world of computers, and as such, it is understandable that much of your world centers around PCs and digital telecomunications, and particularly, the Internet. So, you tend to wear computer-centric and Internet-centric glasses, and you seem to assume that everyone else in the world should too, that is, that everyone else in the world should be just as PC-focused and Internet-focused as are you. The reality is that this is not at all true, and the reality is that many people in this world are not on the web at all, or maybe get on just once per month or two or three times per year.

 

And, even for those who technically own an email addresses -- such as the email address which they may have used to open an account at Groundspeak or some other sport/hobby website or some special-topic forum or list group -- they may get on the web only rarely and may not attach much importance to uninvited and unsolicited email which arrives in their email box from a stranger such as yourself. Remember, just because you -- a stranger -- send someone an unsolicited and uninvited email does NOT obligate them to answer it, no more so than does sending a person an unsolicited and uninvited piece of postal mail obligate them to reply to you, and no more so than does making an unsolicited and uninvited phone call to a stranger does NOT obligate them to pick up the phone and engage in friendly chit-chat with you! Rather, those "obligations" which you assume are, and have been, in your imagination; they are your expectations and nothing else, and they are largely unreasonable and unrealistic.

 

Now, like you, I happen to be relatively PC-centric and web-centric in my own life, at least for much of each day. I happen to operate numerous websites and over 30 very busy email list groups on various topics, and I also write books and deliver lectures and consulting services around the world. Because of this, my email address (and my phone number) are announced rather prominently on all of my websites and in the sig line of each of my posts sent to my own list groups and also to list groups and forums operated by others. However, because my email address and phone number are so prominently displayed on the web, and have been since 1995, it is also true that I receive a modest volume each day of entirely unsolicited and uninvited email from strangers asking me bizarre and trivial questions (that they assume, for some reason, that I will be obligated to answer) or, weirder yet, asking me detailed consulting-genre questions (see footnote #1) that they assume that I will answer for free. Worse, many of these unsolicited emails bear no introduction and are often unsigned. I usually totally ignore these emails; they are deleted or moved to my "Idiots, Buffoons and Jerks" email folder as soon as I have read them and decided that they do not deserve a reply. So, in my case, yes, I am, like you, rather computer-centric and web-centric, but in my case I feel no obligation to answer unsolicited and uninvited emails sent by strangers!

 

footnote 1: for example, last nite I received an unsolicited email from a guy which read: "I found your websites and I know you are a scientist like me. I have developed after years research a magical new product that does xxxxxxxxx. I need you to tell me how to have it tested and documented. I also need you to teach me how to market it. Then I want you to find me customers. I do not believe in consultants so I will not be paying you anything. Consultants are insulting. Please reply before midnight as I am busy man. Do not ignore this letter. George." Can you guess how long it took me to move that post to my "Idiots, Buffoons and..." folder? Do you really think that I will ever reply to George?

 

The internet may be a big part of my daily life, however I never sent out messages like that George guy, which you are right not to reply to. The messages I was referring to are more like; "Hey I found your cache, however the log is full/destroyed, you want me to replace it since I live 2 minutes away from it?", or "hey I see this shirt on your ebay listing but you don't have a size listed, what size is it?"

You cant convince me that people do not read/receive these emails, I never expect an answer right away unless YOU are trying to sell me something.

I also feel that when you list a cache, you should accept that people will contact you about the cache and that is just part of cache maintenance responsibility, no different than changing out a wet log, and this contact is solicited as soon as you activate your listing.

 

I think what it all comes down to for me is plain manners, you receive a "personal", not spam email, you should respond, you don't want to talk to these people tell them to "buzz off" and then ignore them.

 

Oh hey Vinny, check out my 5/5 listings, if you are ever in the area these are "must try" caches!

Yes, I agree with you about these more reasonable email communications, but I also realize -- despite the fact that I personally am very email savvy -- that the reality is that many folks who have email addresses HATE to answer even legitimate emails, and worse, many of them only check their email folder perhaps once per week or once per month. I too have run into sellers on Ebay and with vendor websites who never answer inquiry emails! Very odd, but very commonplace! One last factor to consider: I suspect that many of the email accounts which many folks have used for opening their GC accounts have gone largely dormant and are largely ignored.

 

BTW, while we are on this topic, here is a related one which will likely make you smile: have you every yet run into any of the 18-to30-somethings who send most of their lives corresponding via text messages (written in "SMS text lingo/slang", of course) on their cell fones? Their writing style and lack of clarity and coherence are amazing when it comes time for them to send an email! Worse, their emails are full of silly cryptic things like ZLOL, ZOMG, ROFLOLZ, hot911, eleventy and !!!0, etc... Bizarre!

 

And lastly, thanks for the invitation on your 5/5 caches! I will indeed to that if and when I am ever in your area. From your profile, it looks like you must be located along the EPA/NJ border, perhaps in the Easton PA or the Bucks County area. I do travel somewhat near that region at times (and at one time years ago, I did a lot of caving in that area) when visiting relatives in NJ.

[nonaeroterraqueous]

That's why I like the forums; I can respond or not respond. It's even better than email that way (unless someone sends me a PM). It doesn't matter whether or not you're polite, or

 

Doesn't matter if you're polite or not??

 

Come on..............

 

Surely you didn't mean that??

 

Not being polite, even if someone ticks you off, is not acceptable IMHO!!

 

Okay, I'll rephrase that one for you.

 

Regardless of whether or not you are polite...

 

No, by all means be polite. Part of being polite means not being pushy, which means letting me mind my own business if I so choose.

[bogleman]

I like email use it for work on a daily basis and I have very different expectations for work-V-personal email, I despise trying to conduct minor business over the phone. I would rather have a record of the communication. Home is just for home. I think I have 4 or 5 names on my home email, very rarely send any home email. I do have a nasty habit of saving all GC related emails.

 

Very rarely have I ever been contacted through GC but I do my best to act accordingly.

[+egami]

It would have been funny if no one would of replied to the thread.

[+WRITE SHOP ROBERT]

That's the beauty of email. I can choose not to respond and it means nothing! If we meet face to face and I ask you a question, even if you choose not to reply to me your silence says volumes. That's why I like the forums; I can respond or not respond. It's even better than email that way (unless someone sends me a PM). It doesn't matter whether or not you're polite, or how serious the subject is; I simply may not wish to respond, and for no particular reason.

I was walking through Berkeley once and this kid asked me if I had any spare change, I just kept walking down the street and he asked about twice more and then said "What's wrong with you, can't you even answer me?" I think he was trying to ack all tough for his friends, and all I told him was "Did you ever consider thet no answer IS an answer?" He slinked away feeling pretty dumb.

 

but anyway, I recently was looking for a Cache, and instead found a letterbox. I've looked for the Cache several times with no luck, and I certainly would have spotted the letterbox before except that it is new. Several other Cachers are logging finds for the Cache with no mention of the letterbox, and I was starting to think they were finding the wrong box and not realizing, so I sent notes to the owners of both, and never recieved any reply. I agree, it's very puzzling. I tend to think that the Letterboxer did not reply because I mentioned that I am also a GeoCacher, and the GeoCacher did not reply because I mentioned that I am also a Letterboxer, and each is ABOVE responding to a lowly player of thet OTHER game. How's that grab you?

[+paleolith]

While I basically agree with all Vinny says, I think we have to remember that geocaching IS a technological game. You need to be able to operate a GPSr and navigate the gc.com web site (which is not one of the easiest on the web). Yes, some cachers get by without one or the other or both (some find caches only by Google Maps, some go out with others who have a GPSr), but those are fringes.

 

Hiding a cache adds to the technical responsibility. The guidelines are explicit that you are responsible for maintaining the cache's web page as well as the cache itself. If you aren't capable of doing that, if you aren't capable of setting up an email address only known to gc.com and never revealing it otherwise so that you can receive email related to your cache, then maybe you shouldn't hide a cache.

 

Is this fair? Neither is life. Yes, it excludes (at least partially) many very intelligent people who don't want to deal with the technological aspects. I may be excluding from appearing in plays because I'm incompetent at acting, even though I'm reasonably intelligent. Etc. There's a place for everyone, but there's no one whose place is everywhere.

 

Edward

[+MickieD]

I sent a couple of emails to GCers that never responded. Oh well, I put their cache on "ignore" and moved on. It's no big deal? What, am I to get annoyed over a cache I cannot find? There are thousands of other caches to look for!!

 

PS - I don't answer all my emails either. I just don't have time. Family and best of friends - everyone else, not so much.

[Hamsterbator]

I don't care if you if you don't have the answers or don't want to answer, its just plain rude not to respond to an email at all!

 

Eh... maybe. Email is not like traditional communications. I agree it's 'rude' to ignore an email from someone you know, but email from others you don't know is a whole 'nother story. Should I respond to all spam saying "Thanks for the offer but I'm not really interested in 'gaining a full 3 inches.'" ?? If someone sends me an email that I have absolutely no interest in, then I'm probably not going to respond.

 

Even on dating sites, which I used to frequent, if someone you're totally not interested in sends you a really nice email, the "proper" thing is to simply delete it and not respond. Some people get offended, but most people under the age of 40 understand that it's an ok thing to do. There's just not enough time in the day to respond to every shmoe who emails ya.

 

I think you're being far too sensitive.

Edited January 28, 2008 by Hamsterbator

[+KJcachers]

If you are a cache owner it would seem to me to be expected that you would return inquiries into one of your caches even if you don't give any clues or hints. I have 2 puzzles solved that I am waiting for the same owner to confirm or deny my coordinates with no response. seems it's the least they could do with the price of fuel. I am not driving all over chasing ghosts if my numbers are wrong. I guess I could always log a needs maintenance on the caches to try and get their attention but I don't really want to do that.

[+Harry Dolphin]

Ok here's a question;

 

Why don't people answer their email? It has happened multiple times to me that COs not answer/reply to questions and/or comments. I am always nice and polite and usually ask simple to answer questions.

 

Wow! I find this to be incredibly presumptuous! 211 finds, and you've asked how many cache owners questions? Multiple times? And expect all of them to reply? I must have asked five or nine cache owners questions. If they choose not to reply, that is their option!

 

Even stranger is KJCachers' response:

If you are a cache owner it would seem to me to be expected that you would return inquiries into one of your caches even if you don't give any clues or hints. I have 2 puzzles solved that I am waiting for the same owner to confirm or deny my coordinates with no response. seems it's the least they could do with the price of fuel. I am not driving all over chasing ghosts if my numbers are wrong. I guess I could always log a needs maintenance on the caches to try and get their attention but I don't really want to do that.

 

There you go! If owners don't respond, slap a 'needs maintenance' on their caches! That'll teach them! I'm not sure if I've ever asked a cache owner to verify the coords for the final of a mystery cache. If I solve the puzzle/mystery, then I know the coords! Don't I?

Generally, I will verify final cache coordinates. I didn't know that this was required! Oops. I feel a 'needs maintenance' log coming.

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Ok here's a question;

 

Why don't people answer their email? It has happened multiple times to me that COs not answer/reply to questions and/or comments. I am always nice and polite and usually ask simple to answer questions.

 

Wow! I find this to be incredibly presumptuous! 211 finds, and you've asked how many cache owners questions? Multiple times? And expect all of them to reply? I must have asked five or nine cache owners questions. If they choose not to reply, that is their option!

 

Even stranger is KJCachers' response:

If you are a cache owner it would seem to me to be expected that you would return inquiries into one of your caches even if you don't give any clues or hints. I have 2 puzzles solved that I am waiting for the same owner to confirm or deny my coordinates with no response. seems it's the least they could do with the price of fuel. I am not driving all over chasing ghosts if my numbers are wrong. I guess I could always log a needs maintenance on the caches to try and get their attention but I don't really want to do that.

 

There you go! If owners don't respond, slap a 'needs maintenance' on their caches! That'll teach them! I'm not sure if I've ever asked a cache owner to verify the coords for the final of a mystery cache. If I solve the puzzle/mystery, then I know the coords! Don't I?

Generally, I will verify final cache coordinates. I didn't know that this was required! Oops. I feel a 'needs maintenance' log coming.

I solve the puzzle/mystery, then I know the coords! Don't I?

 

No you dont, at least not always. There are some puzzle out there where the answer is not always clear, how do you think "geochecker.com" got started?

 

Again, this is a general email problem, not just about caching, and what does my 211 finds have to do with anything? Maybe I emailed 5 cachers maybe 10 maybe 50, I dont know and what does it matter?

You have the right to not to respond if somebody asks you something about your cache, but IMHO than you are just some jerk with a god complex . However it does not mean you have slap a "needs maintenace" on their listing.

 

I have puzzle caches out there that do not require verification and it also says that on the listing, but people still email me for verification and I respond and verify their coords!

I have caches that are NO HINT caches and people still email me asking for hints, as annoying as it sometime is, I respond politely, telling them I cannot give hints because its not fair for other cachers.

 

You list a cache, you open yourself up for people to ask you questions about it, this is part of hider responsibility and no different than any other cache maintenance.

 

For example (not really cache listing related):

Earlier this month I ordered some magnets from United Nuclear for a cache I was building, never ordered from them before, after checking out I get an automated response telling me that they are very behind in their orders during the holidays and it may take 4-5 weeks for me to receive my magnets. I was like, oh crap I need those magnets soon, so I EMAILED them asking if they are still behind since the holidays are over now (POLITE AND NICE!). NO RESPONSE received. Later I go on their website and go to their FAQ page and they basically tell you that they really wont respond to email and that you have little chance reaching them by phone . THESE PEOPLE SELL OVER THE INTERNET! Am I the crazy one here or is that completely unacceptable? 3 weeks later I received my magnets, they are great but about 2 weeks too late .

 

Presumptuous? Yeah, shoot me but I dont think so.

[Keystone]

Being the OP in a forum thread does not entitle you to label someone with differing opinions as a "jerk with a god complex." Please see the posted forum guidelines regarding respect for other posters and their opinions. If you have a difference of opinion, attack the opinion, not the person holding it.

 

I've decided that the proper sanction is to close this thread.