+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Hello everybody, As I got postive feedback to my question about an international geocoin math trade (see this thread) I think its about time to start one All actions for this trade can either be done via this Google spreadsheet or within in this thread (I will include then all offered / regrouped coins into the spreadsheet). Please note that the spreadsheet is a shared document - you'll need to be invited to place your coin offers in it (simply send me a PM with your email)! The time frames for this trade (all times are GC forum times): Offer Period: until Oct. 25, 12:00 am (high noon) Regroup Period : Oct. 25 - Oct. 27, 12:00 am (high noon) - no new coins allowed! Send Want Lists: until Nov. 2, 12:00 am (high noon) Process Lists: planned for Nov. 3 Depending on the situation, the "Regroup Period" may be shortened or be shut down at all (I will ask for that!), and the "Send Want List Period" may be shortened ... if you already knwo what you want and all have send their want list via PM to me there's no need to wait I've already placed some coins in the spreadsheet to give you an example about the details I would expect from you ... more coins are sure to come from my side! So feel invited to join this First International Math Trade and have fun with us (right now there should be about a dozen international traders involved) !!! Keep an eye on this thread - I will use it to post additional information whenever needed ... ! That's all for now - don't hesitate to ask when something appears unclear, I will to my best to answer as precise as possible! Have fun, Dirk PS: Please keep in mind that I'm about 10 hours ahead of forum time ... answers can take a bit (as do the invitations to the spreadsheet!) Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 20, 2007 Author Share Posted October 20, 2007 @ PLnauta & coreynjoey: Welcome to the Math Trade, your invitations have been sent! Have fun, Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 Welcome to the Math Trade to: - SwedenHawk - moscow32 - Mr.Explorer3 - Wij Drie - El_Rolfo ... have fun ... Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) ... double post ... Edited October 21, 2007 by Team 'zZZz' Quote Link to comment
+Mr.Explorer3 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I will put up some more trades when I am not at work and can actually look at what traders I have. Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 Current status: 48 coins in the actual offer list ... Have fun! Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 Current status: 60 coins in the actual offer list ... Please remember: You can place every coin you have to trade into the offer list without any risk - if you don't see a suitable trade for you in the list you simply place an empty want list (or even no want list at all) for this coin ... so this coin will not be traded at all! Have fun, Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 Current Status: 96 coins available in the Math Trade list ! Come, take a look: International Geocoin Math Trade Offer List And still 48 hours to go until the Offer Period closes Have fun, Dirk Quote Link to comment
+PLnauta Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Hi, just added a few more. I'm really looking forward to have some trades. I have a suggestion . Since this is the "first International Math Trade" and the International here has some value, i would like to know the nationalities of the other collectores. I've added a column and inserted mine (i'm from Portugal). If you desagree please delete that PL Quote Link to comment
general_tupperware Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 This sounds cool. Quote Link to comment
+geocachingdragon Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I would like to trythis as well . will send a email. Thanks Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 Hi, just added a few more. I'm really looking forward to have some trades. I have a suggestion . Since this is the "first International Math Trade" and the International here has some value, i would like to know the nationalities of the other collectores. I've added a column and inserted mine (i'm from Portugal). If you desagree please delete that PL Thanks for the input! As you can see, someone already filled in some locations ... no, it wasn't me For the ones that are still missing I assume that they are all from the US. @all: Any other ideas for the current (or future) Math Trades? Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 24, 2007 Author Share Posted October 24, 2007 Status Update: about 26 hours to go in the Offer Period ... and currently 159 coins listed !!! A big thanks to 3BlindEyes from Australia !!! Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Status Update ... Last call for the Offering Period - only 4 hours left ... so hurry up !!! Currently 184 coins in the Offer List !!! Please remember, this is a no-risk-at-all trade !!! You can offer the coins without any risk - if you don't find any suitable trades you won't trade your coin(s)!!! Have fun, Dirk Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Ok, how do we contact the people whose coins we want, they process hasn't really been explained out. I read all the forum posts and the google spreadsheet. Do we make offers to you or to the actual person? Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Ok, how do we contact the people whose coins we want, they process hasn't really been explained out. I read all the forum posts and the google spreadsheet. Do we make offers to you or to the actual person? Process is the following: Once the Offer Period and the Regroup Period is over, I will publish the complete coin list with an additional, unique ID for each coin. Afterwards you will have to create your Want List and send it as PM to me. A Want List is usually a text file (or the PM itself) with the following format: - each single line represents one of your offered coins and starts with the Coin-ID from the final list - after a "delimiter sign" (usually a ':') you place all the IDs of those coins that you would accept for your coin as a trade, in order of your priority and with a blank as delimiter Remember: If you don't find a suitable trade for one of your coins, you simply skip this coin in your Want List! Well, that's all ... after I received all Want Lists I will create an input file for the software and run the TradeMaximizer in order to arrange the max amount of trades possible. Short example: Theoretical Final Offer List: ID CoinName =========================== zZZz-001 Psychochicken zZZz-002 Geocaching All-in-One 2007 ABCD-001 Regions of Germany AVRO-001 What-ever-its-name-is AVRO-002 Another_one AVRO-003 HTF-Coin Your Want List may look like this: AVRO-001 : zZZz-001 ABCD-001 AVRO-002 : zZZz-001 AVRO-003 : Explanation of your Want List: - for your first coin (AVRO-001) you will accept either the zZZz-001 "Psychochicken" or the ABCD-001 "Regions of Germany" as a trade. Highest priority lies on the zZZz-001 "Psychochicken". If you can't get this coin somehow, you won't trade your coin (AVRO-001) - your second coin (AVRO-002) will only be traded if you can get the zZZz-001 "Psychochicken". Again, if you can't get this coin, you won't trade your (AVRO-002) - for your third coin (AVRO-003) you haven't found a suitable trade in the Final Offer List, so you don't include any ID (or you simply skip this line completely) For further explanations I would suggest to read the following document (which I have linked in the first thread, asking for the general interest in a Math Trade): TradeMaximizer I hope this answers the question ... Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 25, 2007 Author Share Posted October 25, 2007 Offer Period is closed ... Thanks to all participants for listing a total of 184 coins!!! Quite a huge amount to choose the trades from We now enter a two days Regroup Period (ending Oct. 27, 12:00 am forum time) The Regroup Period gives all participants the chance to merge two or more of their coins into a single offer. Intention for this is to make an own offer more attractive to others (and therefore to have a potentially higher chance to get a specifically wanted coin). To regroup your offers, simply edit the ID of the coins you want to merge: add an 'a' to the ID of the first coin, copy the choosen coin ID to the second coin and add a 'b' ... and so on. Example may look like this: 15a USER_A Coin_number_one 15b USER_A next_coin 15c USER_A third_and_last_coin If you don't intend to regroup your offers (or if you are finished) - please send a short PM ... maybe we can shorten this period Dirk Quote Link to comment
general_tupperware Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I hadn't thought about this before, but I'm somewhat worried about the Math Trade organizing it so that I have to send 3 or 4 $X.xx packages to Europe. Any Canadians know how much it costs to send a bubble mailer to Europe? Quote Link to comment
+PengoFamily Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 I hadn't thought about this before, but I'm somewhat worried about the Math Trade organizing it so that I have to send 3 or 4 $X.xx packages to Europe. Any Canadians know how much it costs to send a bubble mailer to Europe? 1 geocoin in a bubble mailer about 6" x 10" or less...and less than 1/4" thicks costs $3.55 or $3.65 (somewhere around there) to mail to Europe. Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share Posted October 27, 2007 Regroup Period is closed ... ! Please create your Want List for your coins (see 3 posts above for details) and send them via PM to me. Use the given IDs in the spreadsheet to refer to the coins. Latest date for your Want Lists: Nov. 2, 12:00 am (high noon) I removed everybody as collaborator from the spreadshett - no more editing is possible! Please use the following links to access the spreadsheet: Math Trade Spreadsheet If there are any questions about the Want List feel free to ask! When sending your Want List please state whether your Want List is final or not! In the case that everybody has sent their final list, I will start processing the lists earlier and therefore ending the trade earlier! Thanks Dirk Quote Link to comment
+moscow32 Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Just to be clear, what syntax do you want our responses in? e.g. Do you want our usernames, colons as delimeters, etc? I've just been reading through the linked documentation, and it seems like having us send you the data in a common syntax would really help you out. Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 Just to be clear, what syntax do you want our responses in? e.g. Do you want our usernames, colons as delimeters, etc? I've just been reading through the linked documentation, and it seems like having us send you the data in a common syntax would really help you out. Yes, that would really help I've noticed that the explanation given a few posts above might not be as clear as it should. I will try to work out a step-by-step guide on how to create a want list for this math trade in the next hours. Sorry, but right now I'm quite busy with other things (e.g. to earn my daily money ) Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 28, 2007 Author Share Posted October 28, 2007 ... with a little delay, here is the (first draft) of the: A step-by-step guide to create want lists First of all, take a closer look into the final coin offer list: you will see that every single coin is listed in a seperate row, each having an entry in the corresponding columns for ID, Owner, Coin Name, Remark, and Country. The entries for ID and Coin Name are the most important for the trade. Of course it's nice to see who's owning this coin, which remarks are given or where the coin is located - but this can be ignored for the creation of your want list. In the whole coin offer list the ID colum has unique entries, whereas in the Coin Name column the same name of a coin may appear if offered by different participants (in different rows, of course ). So the entry in the ID field for each coin can (and will) be used as an unique and exact identifier for each coin. The general idea for a want list is to define, which own coin can be traded against which other offered coin. To define this, the following syntax used: Own_Coin_ID : Want_Coin_ID_1 Want Coin_ID_2 Want_Coin_ID_3 ... Want_Coin_ID_N (a ':' is used as a seperator between the Own_Coin_ID and the choosen wanted coins; the wanted coins are seperated with a " " [blank] ). As you can see, you have to specify a single "Own_Coin_ID" and to list the possible IDs of all coins that you would accept as a trade for this coin (as specified by "Own_Coin_ID). You are free to choose from all other coins. Furthermore, your are not limited to a single coin - you can append all coins (via their respective coin ID's) that you are accepting as a trade. And if you would append the IDs of all other coins this would be okay! The apperance of the IDs of the wanted coins if of importance as it represents the "order" of the coins that you are accepting as a trade for your coin. In the first position the "most wanted" coin should appear, in the last position the "least acceptable" coin. If there is only one coin that you would trade your own coin for, there will be only one Want_Coin_ID. If there is no coin that you find acceptable as a trade, you put no Want_Coin_ID behind your Own_Coin_ID ... As you might have read between the lines, you are asked to fill out a single line according to the syntax above for each of your own coins. It's quite logical that you will accept the same coin from others as a trade for several of your coins. Simply add this coin ID to the lines for each of your coins. Let's end the theory and come to a real life example: I will present my own (hypothetical!!!) want list ... With a short look to the final coin offer list, I own the coins with the IDs 1 to 14 (as I am listed with the nick 'zZZz') so my trade list is 14 lines long. Here are my thoughts and how I realize them in my want list: - I intend to say that my "Psychochicken" coin (ID: 1) is quite rare and I want to trade it only against a coin that I would assume of having the same "rarity". The coins with the IDs 139 and 141 cought my attention (it the "Lancashire" and the "Laptop" coin) and I would favor the "Laptop" over/before the "Lancashire. So my entry for my "Psychochicken" would look like this: 1 : 141 139 I also offered a bunch of other coins that I have some feelings about, that I really like, that I regard as "nice to have" for others, or whatever. They are important to me and I would like to get in return only some coins that are really on my personal seeking list. My coins have the IDs from 2 to 12. I look into the coin offer list and find a few suitable coins - but only 10 of them. I can list the 10 wanted coin ID for each of my coins - but this will mean that I will not trade all of my coins: 12 offered but only 10 specified as wants - even if I receive all the 10 wanted coins I will only trade away 10 of mine ... For those 12 coins I choose the coins with the IDs 150 to 160 and that's also the priority I choose for the wanted coins. So I include them in my want list. This list looks now like this: 1 : 141 139 2 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 3 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 4 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 5 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 6 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 7 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 8 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 9 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 10 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 11 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 12 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 Let's go on with the example. For some reason I do not want to trade away my coin with the ID 13 (it's the "Unity 2006, ant. silver). Maybe I simply wont give it away or maybe I decided to trade this specific coin with somebody else ... you know "I will make him an offer he can't deny!" ... So this is a simple one: Either I don't list my coin with the ID 13 in my want list or I deceide to put an empty line for the wanted coins. I will take the latter approach. So I add the following line to my want list: 13 : Last but not least, there is the last coin I offered: the coin with ID 14 ("Uckermark, ant. bronze"). Honestly said (theoretically!!! this is only an example!!!) I am quite happy if I could trade away this coin for anything else on the list. So I can put every other coin ID as a want for this coin - and I will do so! (Okay, I'll save some characters here in this example - please forgive me, but you know what I mean). So my last line would look like: 14 : 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 [all in between] 184 Well, now I have my want list for this trade completed! For the convenience of my host, I will add my nick in parantheses in front of each line ... The whole list looks like this (except for the last line): (zZZz) 1 : 141 139 (zZZz) 2 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 3 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 4 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 5 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 6 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 7 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 8 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 9 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 10 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 11 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 12 : 150 151 152 153 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 (zZZz) 13 : (zZZz) 14 : 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 [all in between] 184 Now I can send the list as a PM to the host of this Math Trade ... I hope that the example above is detailed enough so that everybody is able to create and send a want list. I appologize for any problems that have arised ... Nevertheless, if anything is still unclear ... please, please, please ask!!! I am aware of the fact that my english has a very strong "german style" [8D] but I will do my best for you! Cheers, Dirk Quote Link to comment
+SwedenHawk Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 wantlist sent... Quote Link to comment
+Mr.Explorer3 Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 want list sent through PM Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted October 31, 2007 Author Share Posted October 31, 2007 Status Update ... Already received the final want lists from the following participants: - SwedenHawk - kdv - Mr.Explorer3 - geocachingdragon - moscow32 - Thoto - LosMuertos - Avroair - 3BlindEyes - Team zZZz Thanks to all ... Dirk Quote Link to comment
+wutzebear Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Already received the final want lists from the following participants: Update: mine too (2 minutes ago ). Quote Link to comment
+Bhob Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Are n-for-1 and/or 1-for-n offers possible ? For example, suppose that I really want coin number 101, but I don't think that I have something of comparable value Is there a way for me to offer two (or more) of my coins for the single coin that I want ? Conversely, is the reverse allowed ? Say that I believe that one of my coins is worth more than any single coin that I want Can I specify that I will only trade my single coin for two (or more) other coins ? If either or both of the above are possible, how are they treated ? Do they have higher priority, lower priority, or the same priority as any other offer ? Quote Link to comment
+moscow32 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Are n-for-1 and/or 1-for-n offers possible ? For example, suppose that I really want coin number 101, but I don't think that I have something of comparable value Is there a way for me to offer two (or more) of my coins for the single coin that I want ? Conversely, is the reverse allowed ? Say that I believe that one of my coins is worth more than any single coin that I want Can I specify that I will only trade my single coin for two (or more) other coins ? If either or both of the above are possible, how are they treated ? Do they have higher priority, lower priority, or the same priority as any other offer ? Not that I'm an expert, but I'll take a stab at these questions. Short answer, yes. In this math trade, there was two days when we were allowed to group our coins. To my knowledge, no one in our trade did group their coins, but we certainly were allowed to. At this point in the trade, though, it isn't possible to group the coins, because we all have to be working from a common list for it to work. So if you had a grouped offer, you could have specified the premium coin in your want list. Conversely, if you have the premium coin, and you only wish to receive the grouped coins, you would specify that in your want list for that coin. If you feel that nothing in the trade group meets the value you associate with your premium coin, you simply give a blank want list for that coin, and it doesn't trade. All of this leg work has to be done in the offer/regroup period. I'm sure Dirk will step in and give a more clear explanation, but I think that covers it. Cheers- moscow32 Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted November 1, 2007 Author Share Posted November 1, 2007 Thanks for the answer Brady - yes, that really covers it ! But as I'm expected to fill in all those little bits and pieces of detail I will do so First of all, let's go a little bit more abstract and theoretical (don't hit me too hard, I'll fill it with real life examples afterwards): - in a Math Trade you only place an offer in the offer list and in return you specify which offer you'll take in the want list. Please note, that I speak explicitely of "offer" and not of "coin(s)". As a result of it, you can do only 1-on-1 trades (for the offers!) - in a Math Trade you place your offers to the whole group of all participants - not to a single person! If your offer is attractive to someone, you can receive one of your wants (as specified in your want list). Again, what you receive is "from all offers of the list" and not from the specific person, that found _your_ offer attractive. - a Math Trade (clearer: the software used to calculate the trades) will always prefer circle trades in order to achieve the maximum number of possible trades! So usually it collects several offers and builds the "circle" trade out of it. A direct trade between two participants is possible (of course!) but will only happen if it does not harm the mamimum number of trades. - in order to be able to trade in a Math Trade, your offer has to be "attractive" to at least one person. If it's attracting more persons ... even better as this will give the software the possibility to use your offer in a wider range of all possible trades! (okay, wake up - theory lesson is almost over) That said, I will now present some theoretical ideas ... You offer a HTF/valuable-to-you coin: Quite an easy one: Take a look at the final offer list and choose the offers you find attractive and place them in your want list. Please keep in mind that in a Math Trade you do "1-on-1" trades, which means you will only receive one of the choosen offers in return (again: I stated "offer" and do not mean "coin(s)"!) You want to hunt down a HTF/valuable-to-you coin: Now the fun part starts as you have (at least) two choices. Either you think that all your offers (which include usually only a single coin - ah, now we come to speak of coins!) are attractive enough that there is somehow the chance that you will receive the wanted coin for one of yours - so no action is needed. Or you may want to make your offer more attractive by merging several offers into a single offer - so several coins become a single offer! This is done in the so called "Regroup Period". In this period no new coins will appear, but all participants have the chance to regroup in order to raise attention to their offers! Coming back to the one who offered the HTF/valuable-to-him coin: After the "regroup period" is over, he can take another look into the final offer list if he hasn't already found an acceptable offer ... and now there's the chance for him that he find a single suitable offer that has several coins in it! If there's still nothing of interest in it ... he simply does not define a want list for this HTF coin and doesn't trade it. okay, let's stop all theory ... real life is back again What would I do to hunt down a HTF coin? From all what I've written above it's only logical that I will create "attractive" offers in the regroup period. First I would think about, how many and which of my offered coin I would spend as a maximum to trade for this HTF coin. Then I would start to merge those offers into several(!) offers, each merged offer containg at least two coins, some with three coins and, maybe, a single offer with four or even 5 coins in it. If I'm willing to spend only two coins for that HTF coin, I will surely only merge two coins into single offers ... Remember, it's all about making your offers attractive, which means that several people will include my offers into their want list. And as a result the software used to calculate the trades will have more choices for me! Please excuse me if I've written like some kind of "teacher" here ... my intention was only to make people aware of how things work in a Math Trade and to remove the most common "error" to think of direct person-to-person trades in a Math Trade. I hope this answer is of some help to all of you (maybe for the next Math Trade?) ... Cheers, Dirk Quote Link to comment
avroair Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Thanks for clearing that up, I was beginning to understand how it works and now I am confused again. Kidding, thanks for clarifying things. When do I get my new coins? Quote Link to comment
+PLnauta Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Well, i'm looking forward to see the final listing and start trading. Beeing new with geocoin trading i was really naif in what to ask. I think i said i want really beautifull coins probably expensive and rare coins and have little to offer. Lets see what the machine says Well. in the end this is a very good way to establish stronger bonds with this comunity (the other one is the secret mission for Christmas) Thank you all. And thank you 'zZZz' for all the work PL Quote Link to comment
+3BlindEyes Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi PLNauta, no need to panic! 2 of your coins went on my small 'want to trade' list, so you have more to offer than you think. I'm looking forward to the final listing and start trading as well. And yes I too say thank you all and thank you Dirk for all the work you put into this. Quote Link to comment
+PLnauta Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hi PLNauta, no need to panic! 2 of your coins went on my small 'want to trade' list, so you have more to offer than you think. I'm looking forward to the final listing and start trading as well. And yes I too say thank you all and thank you Dirk for all the work you put into this. Well your list is huge . You have lots and lots of beautifull coins This became really interesting and funny. I wonder what will be the results from "THE" machine PL Quote Link to comment
+Wij Drie Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 (edited) Well, i'm looking forward to see the final listing and start trading. Beeing new with geocoin trading i was really naif in what to ask. I think i said i want really beautifull coins probably expensive and rare coins and have little to offer. Lets see what the machine says PL Hey, I have also choose something of your list. So if you have choosen something of mine, there is a (small) chance we have a trade (if i understood everything correctly). Otherwise we can always make a trade afterwards. tot cache, team Wij Drie Edited November 2, 2007 by Wij Drie Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 This became really interesting and funny. I wonder what will be the results from "THE" machine ... me, too - me, too !!! I'm missing one list in the moment but have been emailed that the list should appear today. Honestly said I would like to wait for it to arrive. Any concerns about it? Yes, I know, a rule is a rule is a rule ... Dirk Quote Link to comment
+moscow32 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 not concerned here. Its an international trade. Sometimes hard to coordinate schedules. PL- you're on my wishlist too. Sounds like you are very popular! <fingers crossed that my wishlists are filled> Quote Link to comment
+PLnauta Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 not concerned here. Its an international trade. Sometimes hard to coordinate schedules. PL- you're on my wishlist too. Sounds like you are very popular! <fingers crossed that my wishlists are filled> I can´t get more international than this. Australia and USA. Why am i popular. Oh why? I guess i'll see it soon. PL Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 Why am i popular. Oh why? I guess i'll see it soon. Take a look at your coins - not the badest ones, I would assume Dirk Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 By the way: As I said before ... a rule is a rule is a rule ... If someone has complains about the additional waiting time simply send a PM to me (no need to do that in the public!). I will only wait if you all agree on it Or if anyone intends to set a maximum time frame ... please do so! Yes, I have set the rules for this Math Trade as I'm hosting it - but as I'm a participant on the same time I really would like to see a common agreement about it Dirk (tends to seek the harmony as it seems ) Quote Link to comment
+PLnauta Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Take a look at your coins - not the badest ones, I would assume Dirk Bad ones I didn't know there are bad coins in the list As i said i'm starting and i'm really looking forward to see some trades from far places. I'm also thinking to send a TB with the coins just to figure out if it will find its way home. PL ps. waiting time. I'm allready lost in time zones. Just make sure that "THE" machine be there Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 (edited) Bad ones I didn't know there are bad coins in the list Sorry ... no there aren't bad ones in it Typical german way of meaning that you have offered some coins which I surely would be more interested in than in others ... Cheers, Dirk Edited November 2, 2007 by Team 'zZZz' Quote Link to comment
+geocachingdragon Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I dont mind waiting a little for the last list As long as it is not a inconvenience to ZzzZ Its hard to organize things like this and not keep on time. But this being the first time math trade a break could be given. And Plnauta I like your coins too. sorte boa com seus comércios Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 Status update: Last list is still missing ... I'll send a last reminder. Far past midnight for me - I'll go and catch some sleep now. I intend to start the software in about 8-9 hours ... regardless if the list is there or not. Hope that this is okay for you (yes, I will read this thread before I start) Good night, Dirk Quote Link to comment
+PLnauta Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 And Plnauta I like your coins too. sorte boa com seus comércios thanks for the portuguese. nice. Quote Link to comment
+wutzebear Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Hope that this is okay for you (yes, I will read this thread before I start) No matter which option you choose (wait some more or run your prog), it's ok for me. I'm sitting here chewing my nails back to the elbow waiting for the results, but on the other hand there's no need to hurry and loose some coins not to be traded. Quote Link to comment
+Team 'zZZz' Posted November 3, 2007 Author Share Posted November 3, 2007 Ladies and Gentlemen ... drum-rolls, please ... The First International Math Trade is finished!!! Before I post the results I would like to add some statistics for it: - 184 coins offered - 164 coins were given a want list - 20 coins with no want list - 95 coins (out of 164) were traded in total ... that's a rate of ... you do the math - 5 circle trades were established to do the trades, the largest one includes 40 coins! I would like to say a big "Thank you!" to all of you !!! It has been a pleasure do host this trade and I really hope you somehow enjoied it (or at least you will do when the coins arrive)! The full input and output for the TradeMaximizer software can be found in the spreadsheet, I will only present the most interesting parts here. How to read the list: In the first column you will find your name and the respective coin ID for this line, next column says whether you traded this coin or not and which coin you receive from whom (again with ID). The last column states, to whom you will have to send your coin (specified in the first column). The ID given in the last column is of no interest here ... It's now up to you to exchange your postal addresses and to send the coins in a timely manner! Again, if any questions arise ... please ask! Okay ... you've waited long enough ... here's the outcome of the trade: ITEM SUMMARY (95 total trades): (3BLINDEYES) 110 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 111 receives (KDV) 51 and sends to (DOC256) 41 (3BLINDEYES) 112 receives (WUTZEBEAR) 83 and sends to (ZZZZ) 8 (3BLINDEYES) 113 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 114 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 115 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 116 receives (ZAZTH) 75 and sends to (WIJ DRIE) 59 (3BLINDEYES) 117 receives (DOC256) 40 and sends to (WIJ DRIE) 60 (3BLINDEYES) 118 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 119 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 120 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 121 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 122 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 123 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 124 receives (AVROAIR) 101 and sends to (PLNAUTA) 99 (3BLINDEYES) 125 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 126 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 127 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 128 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 129 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 130 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 131 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 132 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 133 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 134 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 135 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 136 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 137 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 138 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 139 receives (PLNAUTA) 98 and sends to (EL_ROLFO) 21 (3BLINDEYES) 140 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 141 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 142 receives (EL_ROLFO) 22 and sends to (KDV) 50 (3BLINDEYES) 143 receives (DOC256) 41 and sends to (KDV) 51 (3BLINDEYES) 144 receives (GEOCACHINGDRAGON) 183 and sends to (KDV) 49 (3BLINDEYES) 145 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 146 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 147 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 148 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 149 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 150 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 151 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 152 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 153 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 154 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 155 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 156 does not trade (3BLINDEYES) 157 receives (KDV) 50 and sends to (WUTZEBEAR) 84 (3BLINDEYES) 158 receives (PLNAUTA) 100 and sends to (WUTZEBEAR) 85 (3BLINDEYES) 159 does not trade (AVROAIR) 101 receives (ZZZZ) 2 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 124 (AVROAIR) 102 receives (ZZZZ) 3 and sends to (MR.EXPLORER3) 16 (AVROAIR) 103 does not trade (AVROAIR) 104 receives (ZZZZ) 1 and sends to (GEOCACHINGDRAGON) 183 (AVROAIR) 105 does not trade (AVROAIR) 106 receives (ZZZZ) 4 and sends to (LOSMUERTOS) 70 (AVROAIR) 107 receives (ZZZZ) 5 and sends to (WUTZEBEAR) 83 (AVROAIR) 108 receives (ZZZZ) 6 and sends to (ZZZZ) 10 (AVROAIR) 109 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 28 and sends to (THOTO) 160 (BUGGYMATTES) 87 receives (WIJ DRIE) 61 and sends to (EL_ROLFO) 26 (BUGGYMATTES) 88 receives (DOC256) 44 and sends to (MOSCOW32) 54 (BUGGYMATTES) 89 receives (EL_ROLFO) 20 and sends to (MOSCOW32) 56 (BUGGYMATTES) 90 receives (ZZZZ) 10 and sends to (EL_ROLFO) 20 (BUGGYMATTES) 91 does not trade (BUGGYMATTES) 92 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 36 and sends to (WUTZEBEAR) 78 (BUGGYMATTES) 93 receives (WIJ DRIE) 62 and sends to (EL_ROLFO) 22 (BUGGYMATTES) 94 does not trade (DOC256) 37 does not trade (DOC256) 38 does not trade (DOC256) 39 does not trade (DOC256) 40 receives (LOSMUERTOS) 72 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 117 (DOC256) 41 receives (3BLINDEYES) 111 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 143 (DOC256) 42 receives (WUTZEBEAR) 78 and sends to (ZZZZ) 2 (DOC256) 43 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 29 and sends to (ZZZZ) 7 (DOC256) 44 receives (KDV) 48 and sends to (BUGGYMATTES) 88 (DOC256) 45 does not trade (EL_ROLFO) 17 does not trade (EL_ROLFO) 18 does not trade (EL_ROLFO) 19 does not trade (EL_ROLFO) 20 receives (BUGGYMATTES) 90 and sends to (BUGGYMATTES) 89 (EL_ROLFO) 21 receives (3BLINDEYES) 139 and sends to (WIJ DRIE) 62 (EL_ROLFO) 22 receives (BUGGYMATTES) 93 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 142 (EL_ROLFO) 23 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 31 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 35 (EL_ROLFO) 24 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 32 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 34 (EL_ROLFO) 25 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 34 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 31 (EL_ROLFO) 26 receives (BUGGYMATTES) 87 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 28 (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 171 receives (WUTZEBEAR) 79 and sends to (WUTZEBEAR) 86 (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 172 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 173 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 174 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 175 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 176 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 177 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 178 receives (WUTZEBEAR) 80 and sends to (MOSCOW32) 168 (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 179 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 180 does not trade (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 181 does not trade (GEOCACHINGDRAGON) 182 does not trade (GEOCACHINGDRAGON) 183 receives (AVROAIR) 104 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 144 (GEOCACHINGDRAGON) 184 receives (MOSCOW32) 168 and sends to (ZZZZ) 3 (KDV) 46 receives (ZZZZ) 13 and sends to (WIJ DRIE) 65 (KDV) 47 does not trade (KDV) 48 receives (MOSCOW32) 167 and sends to (DOC256) 44 (KDV) 49 receives (3BLINDEYES) 144 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 29 (KDV) 50 receives (3BLINDEYES) 142 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 157 (KDV) 51 receives (3BLINDEYES) 143 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 111 (KDV) 52 receives (MOSCOW32) 53 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 36 (LOSMUERTOS) 66 does not trade (LOSMUERTOS) 67 does not trade (LOSMUERTOS) 68 does not trade (LOSMUERTOS) 69 does not trade (LOSMUERTOS) 70 receives (AVROAIR) 106 and sends to (PLNAUTA) 100 (LOSMUERTOS) 71 does not trade (LOSMUERTOS) 72 receives (WIJ DRIE) 60 and sends to (DOC256) 40 (LOSMUERTOS) 73 does not trade (MOSCOW32) 167 receives (ZZZZ) 12 and sends to (KDV) 48 (MOSCOW32) 168 receives (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 178 and sends to (GEOCACHINGDRAGON) 184 (MOSCOW32) 169 receives (PLNAUTA) 99 and sends to (ZZZZ) 9 (MOSCOW32) 170 does not trade (MOSCOW32) 53 receives (ZZZZ) 9 and sends to (KDV) 52 (MOSCOW32) 54 receives (BUGGYMATTES) 88 and sends to (ZAZTH) 76 (MOSCOW32) 55 does not trade (MOSCOW32) 56 receives (BUGGYMATTES) 89 and sends to (ZAZTH) 75 (MOSCOW32) 57 does not trade (MR.EXPLORER3) 15 receives (THOTO) 160 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 33 (MR.EXPLORER3) 16 receives (AVROAIR) 102 and sends to (SWEDENHAWK) 32 (MR.EXPLORER3) 95 does not trade (MR.EXPLORER3) 96 does not trade (MR.EXPLORER3) 97 does not trade (PLNAUTA) 100 receives (LOSMUERTOS) 70 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 158 (PLNAUTA) 98 receives (ZZZZ) 8 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 139 (PLNAUTA) 99 receives (3BLINDEYES) 124 and sends to (MOSCOW32) 169 (SWEDENHAWK) 27 does not trade (SWEDENHAWK) 28 receives (EL_ROLFO) 26 and sends to (AVROAIR) 109 (SWEDENHAWK) 29 receives (KDV) 49 and sends to (DOC256) 43 (SWEDENHAWK) 30 does not trade (SWEDENHAWK) 31 receives (EL_ROLFO) 25 and sends to (EL_ROLFO) 23 (SWEDENHAWK) 32 receives (MR.EXPLORER3) 16 and sends to (EL_ROLFO) 24 (SWEDENHAWK) 33 receives (MR.EXPLORER3) 15 and sends to (WUTZEBEAR) 80 (SWEDENHAWK) 34 receives (EL_ROLFO) 24 and sends to (EL_ROLFO) 25 (SWEDENHAWK) 35 receives (EL_ROLFO) 23 and sends to (WUTZEBEAR) 79 (SWEDENHAWK) 36 receives (KDV) 52 and sends to (BUGGYMATTES) 92 (THOTO) 160 receives (AVROAIR) 109 and sends to (MR.EXPLORER3) 15 (THOTO) 161 does not trade (THOTO) 162 does not trade (THOTO) 163 does not trade (THOTO) 164 does not trade (THOTO) 165 does not trade (THOTO) 166 does not trade (WIJ DRIE) 58 receives (ZZZZ) 7 and sends to (ZZZZ) 6 (WIJ DRIE) 59 receives (3BLINDEYES) 116 and sends to (ZZZZ) 13 (WIJ DRIE) 60 receives (3BLINDEYES) 117 and sends to (LOSMUERTOS) 72 (WIJ DRIE) 61 receives (WUTZEBEAR) 84 and sends to (BUGGYMATTES) 87 (WIJ DRIE) 62 receives (EL_ROLFO) 21 and sends to (BUGGYMATTES) 93 (WIJ DRIE) 63 does not trade (WIJ DRIE) 64 does not trade (WIJ DRIE) 65 receives (KDV) 46 and sends to (ZZZZ) 12 (WUTZEBEAR) 78 receives (BUGGYMATTES) 92 and sends to (DOC256) 42 (WUTZEBEAR) 79 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 35 and sends to (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 171 (WUTZEBEAR) 80 receives (SWEDENHAWK) 33 and sends to (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 178 (WUTZEBEAR) 81 does not trade (WUTZEBEAR) 82 does not trade (WUTZEBEAR) 83 receives (AVROAIR) 107 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 112 (WUTZEBEAR) 84 receives (3BLINDEYES) 157 and sends to (WIJ DRIE) 61 (WUTZEBEAR) 85 receives (3BLINDEYES) 158 and sends to (ZZZZ) 1 (WUTZEBEAR) 86 receives (GENERAL_TUPPERWARE) 171 and sends to (ZZZZ) 5 (ZAZTH) 74 does not trade (ZAZTH) 75 receives (MOSCOW32) 56 and sends to (3BLINDEYES) 116 (ZAZTH) 76 receives (MOSCOW32) 54 and sends to (ZZZZ) 4 (ZAZTH) 77 does not trade (ZZZZ) 1 receives (WUTZEBEAR) 85 and sends to (AVROAIR) 104 (ZZZZ) 10 receives (AVROAIR) 108 and sends to (BUGGYMATTES) 90 (ZZZZ) 11 does not trade (ZZZZ) 12 receives (WIJ DRIE) 65 and sends to (MOSCOW32) 167 (ZZZZ) 13 receives (WIJ DRIE) 59 and sends to (KDV) 46 (ZZZZ) 14 does not trade (ZZZZ) 2 receives (DOC256) 42 and sends to (AVROAIR) 101 (ZZZZ) 3 receives (GEOCACHINGDRAGON) 184 and sends to (AVROAIR) 102 (ZZZZ) 4 receives (ZAZTH) 76 and sends to (AVROAIR) 106 (ZZZZ) 5 receives (WUTZEBEAR) 86 and sends to (AVROAIR) 107 (ZZZZ) 6 receives (WIJ DRIE) 58 and sends to (AVROAIR) 108 (ZZZZ) 7 receives (DOC256) 43 and sends to (WIJ DRIE) 58 (ZZZZ) 8 receives (3BLINDEYES) 112 and sends to (PLNAUTA) 98 (ZZZZ) 9 receives (MOSCOW32) 169 and sends to (MOSCOW32) 53 Again, thanks to everybody!!! Have fun, Dirk Quote Link to comment
+kdv Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 Great! I suppose we should now be contacting each other to find out what addresses to send the coins to Thanks for all the hard work, Dirk. I think it's been quite a success! Actually, it wouldn't be bad to do this on a regular basis. As far as I'm concerned even every month (although I can imagine it would be a bit of a burden if one and the same person has to do all the work all the time). Thanks again Dirk, it's been nice 'doing business'! Quote Link to comment
+PLnauta Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 (edited) Great! I suppose we should now be contacting each other to find out what addresses to send the coins to Thanks for all the hard work, Dirk. I think it's been quite a success! Actually, it wouldn't be bad to do this on a regular basis. As far as I'm concerned even every month (although I can imagine it would be a bit of a burden if one and the same person has to do all the work all the time). Thanks again Dirk, it's been nice 'doing business'! Wow, great results, and the trade circles are quite funny. I guess we could post our adresses in the spreadsheet, since we are all involved in the trades. What do think of that? Thanks again zZZz for your great work doing this. Edited November 3, 2007 by PLnauta Quote Link to comment
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