+GeoLobo Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 I am still trying to get rid of all my coins from my collection. I am Selling due to a financial issue. I have been listing them on ebay and I have 600 (out of 1000 +) coins left to sell. Here is a taste of some of the trackables http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 THanks GeoLobo Quote Link to comment
+mudsneaker Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 VHTF huh. I see ones that are VETF still from the manufacturer. Guess it is ebay, someone will believe it. Quote Link to comment
+Rockin Roddy Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 Yeah...the VHTF thing really turns me off from auctions like these. Quote Link to comment
+ArtieD Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) VHTF? Are you kidding me? You can still buy those...I know at least one sat in a bargain bin for quite a while! Edited August 14, 2007 by Arthur & Trillian Quote Link to comment
+stepshep Posted August 14, 2007 Share Posted August 14, 2007 (edited) So maybe it was a bit unethical. Edited August 15, 2007 by stepshep Quote Link to comment
Flying Spaghetti Monster Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Let's not resort to name calling. If you have an issue with the way the sale is listed, please point that out and discuss that. Quote Link to comment
+ArtieD Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Well, I basically said it before, but to keep on topic I'll say it again...listing common coins as VHTF is not very ethical, IMO. Quote Link to comment
+GeoLobo Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Really? Which One. I may have made a mistake. Please tell me which one instead of bashing me. What did I do to you? GeoLobo I am still trying to get rid of all my coins from my collection. I am Selling due to a financial issue. I have been listing them on ebay and I have 600 (out of 1000 +) coins left to sell. Here is a taste of some of the trackables http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 THanks GeoLobo Quote Link to comment
+GeoLobo Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 Thats a little harsh! I may have made a mistake. Wow, is this all you guys do is call people liars and unethical! Can someone please delete my original post! THanks GeoLobo Let's not resort to name calling. If you have an issue with the way the sale is listed, please point that out and discuss that. Quote Link to comment
+Rockin Roddy Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Some can be a bit harsher than required! The Geocoinclub coin isn't VHTF at all...I am not sure of others. Using VHTF on any item turns me from that item. It may even be VHTF, but soooo many use that for even the most common of items. List your coins as you please, but if you just post the coins and let them talk for themselves... Quote Link to comment
+Cav Scout Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) Hope the coin I gave you helped in your time of financial need. You need another gold OIFGA to sell? Really? Which One. I may have made a mistake. Please tell me which one instead of bashing me. What did I do to you? GeoLobo I am still trying to get rid of all my coins from my collection. I am Selling due to a financial issue. I have been listing them on ebay and I have 600 (out of 1000 +) coins left to sell. Here is a taste of some of the trackables http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 THanks GeoLobo Edited August 15, 2007 by Cav Scout Quote Link to comment
+GeoLobo Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) >Hope the coin I gave you helped in your time of financial need. I hope all your fake war credentials helped you impress others in your time of need. What was your MOS again? MOS 19-<improper language removed by moderator> > You need another gold OIFGA to sell Sure, send it my way. Edited August 23, 2007 by Eartha Quote Link to comment
+GeoLobo Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 WHICH COIN R U REFERING TOO? Thats a little harsh! I may have made a mistake. Wow, is this all you guys do is call people liars and unethical! Can someone please delete my original post! THanks GeoLobo Let's not resort to name calling. If you have an issue with the way the sale is listed, please point that out and discuss that. Quote Link to comment
Flying Spaghetti Monster Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 No popcorn eating here, please. The butter leaves my noodles slimy As a final reminder to all: Foul Language and obscene images will not be tolerated. and Personal Attacks and Flames will not be tolerated. If you want to praise or criticize, give examples as to why it is good or bad, general attacks on a person or idea will not be tolerated. Maybe this thread will calm down in the next few days while cooler heads prevail. Let's get this back on topic: The sale of the coins. If you want to provide feedback to how they are listed, please do so in a manner consistent with the Forum Guidelines. Quote Link to comment
+zazth Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Shut'er down O Noodly One! Before it gets any worse. No good can come of this. Quote Link to comment
Flying Spaghetti Monster Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 That's not necessarily true. The point of this thread was a coin sale, and that is still the topic at hand. Everything else has been slightly off-topic so this thread has merit and purpose if it gets back on track. Quote Link to comment
+Mr.Explorer3 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I am still trying to get rid of all my coins from my collection. I am Selling due to a financial issue. I have been listing them on ebay and I have 600 (out of 1000 +) coins left to sell. Here is a taste of some of the trackables *snip* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 *snip* THanks GeoLobo I am wondering why TheCachingPlace is still selling UNACTIVATED Lizard Decypher geocoins when they are so VHTF. Quote Link to comment
+ArtieD Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I am wondering why TheCachingPlace is still selling UNACTIVATED Lizard Decypher geocoins when they are so VHTF. Thank you. My point exactly. How can that be VHTF? Please, GeoLobo, don't say it was an accident; I have sold many things on eBay and you have many chances to look over and edit your listing before putting it up. Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 No need to bash the OP here. Let's face it, the Ebay Geocoin market has 2 different types of buyers. 1.- Those that don't know where to get Geocoins, so they pay inflated prices for things that are still available. 2.- Those that know where to get Geocoins, but got into the game a little late, and use Ebay to fill out stuff they are missing. In either case, how you title your listings shouldn't matter to anyone here. Caveat Emptor. If you don't know what you are looking at, and you believe every VHTF listing out there, you will learn an expensive lesson. If you are a regular here, then just ignore the heading. They can't fool you! Quote Link to comment
+Marky Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) I am wondering why TheCachingPlace is still selling UNACTIVATED Lizard Decypher geocoins when they are so VHTF. Thank you. My point exactly. How can that be VHTF? Please, GeoLobo, don't say it was an accident; I have sold many things on eBay and you have many chances to look over and edit your listing before putting it up. The VHTF obviously refers to how hard it is to find on that site. I mean, it's like two or three mouse clicks, at least (and one popup menu)! Edited August 15, 2007 by Marky Quote Link to comment
+GBOTS Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 No need to bash the OP here. Let's face it, the Ebay Geocoin market has 2 different types of buyers. 1.- Those that don't know where to get Geocoins, so they pay inflated prices for things that are still available. 2.- Those that know where to get Geocoins, but got into the game a little late, and use Ebay to fill out stuff they are missing. In either case, how you title your listings shouldn't matter to anyone here. Caveat Emptor. If you don't know what you are looking at, and you believe every VHTF listing out there, you will learn an expensive lesson. If you are a regular here, then just ignore the heading. They can't fool you! What he said! Quote Link to comment
ATMouse Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I know this doesn't have a dern thing to do with the listings on e*bay, but just to add a word here: GeoLobo has been a generous donator for raffles at events I've helped organize and that I've attended. I wanted to add that as an FYI for those folks who haven't met him. Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I know this doesn't have a dern thing to do with the listings on e*bay, but just to add a word here: GeoLobo has been a generous donator for raffles at events I've helped organize and that I've attended. I wanted to add that as an FYI for those folks who haven't met him. I haven't met him, and you are right, his character really doesn't have anything to do with it. (Although it's nice to know he's a nice guy!) Also, you can freely say Ebay here. It's OK...really it is. The bottom line is this: He is free to list his coins however he wants. If he gets good results listing them as VHTF, then by all means, list them that way. I have a few VHTF coins on Ebay myself right now. Go ahead and look. You don't have to like it, but then you don't have to buy them either! You may or may not agree with the sale of Geocoins on Ebay, but in all but a few instances, it's allowed. TPTB here even let you link to auctions of trackable coins, so there is no problem there either. Quote Link to comment
+Eartha Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I'm going to step in here and say this. These are the geocaching.com forums. These are not the Ebay forums. If you have a complaint about how things are listed on an ebay site, you take it up with the seller OVER THERE! If you want to buy the coin, do so through ebay or private communications. There is no need to come in here acting all rude and bash the seller. There are polite ways of telling someone their listing is not entirely correct without resorting to name calling and foul language. Nothing like kicking a guy when he's down. If you do not want to buy the coin, then you don't and the clearest form of feedback a seller could get is no sale. There's no need to be rude, insulting, mean, heavy handed, and all kinds of other adjectives I'm feeling are going on here. Most forums people remain anonymous, but remember folks, someday you might meet these people in person at an event. Then what? Fist fights? A dual at dawn? I'm not saying you can't offer feedback. I just hope you can all see why it needs to be done politely. To the OP, if you wish a post or thread to be deleted or closed, please let a moderator know. We cannot possible read every single post every day. Thank you. Eartha Groundspeak Volunteer Quote Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 If someone can place coins for sale on eBay and then promote it here, surely it should be allowed to debate the accuracy of the sale being promoted to better educate the unknowing people here. Let's protect the masses who are buying the coins verus the seller who is making a false claim of a VHTF coin that is still for sale on the original vendors site. This needs to be a two way street, not a place where you know you can't be called out on some over inflated advertising. I agree this needs to be done without the name calling and such, but the OP sure wasn't missing a beat when calling names himself in this thread. Quote Link to comment
+fairyhoney Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Some can be a bit harsher than required! The Geocoinclub coin isn't VHTF at all...I am not sure of others. Using VHTF on any item turns me from that item. It may even be VHTF, but soooo many use that for even the most common of items. List your coins as you please, but if you just post the coins and let them talk for themselves... What he says makes sense! Quote Link to comment
+Cornerstone4 Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 If someone can place coins for sale on eBay and then promote it here, surely it should be allowed to debate the accuracy of the sale being promoted to better educate the unknowing people here. Let's protect the masses who are buying the coins verus the seller who is making a false claim of a VHTF coin that is still for sale on the original vendors site. This needs to be a two way street, not a place where you know you can't be called out on some over inflated advertising. I agree this needs to be done without the name calling and such, but the OP sure wasn't missing a beat when calling names himself in this thread. I wasn't knocking your right to debate the issue. And, since links to trackable sales on Ebay are allowed, I respectfully disagree with Eartha that the subject shouldn't be discussed here. My objection was to the attacks leveled at the OP. You don't have to like the listing method, and you can debate how ethical it is...but in the end, it's his listing, and if he gets more for the coin, good for him. Now, this is all rhetorical on my part since he lost credibility with me by escalating the name calling. That was uncalled for, but my basic point remains the same. Quote Link to comment
+Theseus Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I am wondering why TheCachingPlace is still selling UNACTIVATED Lizard Decypher geocoins when they are so VHTF. Thank you. My point exactly. How can that be VHTF? Please, GeoLobo, don't say it was an accident; I have sold many things on eBay and you have many chances to look over and edit your listing before putting it up. The Lizard Decypher coin for sale by the OP is a different version than the one currently for sale at The Caching Place, which seems to me to support the VHTF claim. Or maybe it's just HTF. NEF (Not Easily Found)? Good luck with the sales, GeoLobo. Quote Link to comment
+Damenace Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 I am wondering why TheCachingPlace is still selling UNACTIVATED Lizard Decypher geocoins when they are so VHTF. Thank you. My point exactly. How can that be VHTF? Please, GeoLobo, don't say it was an accident; I have sold many things on eBay and you have many chances to look over and edit your listing before putting it up. The Lizard Decypher coin for sale by the OP is a different version than the one currently for sale at The Caching Place, which seems to me to support the VHTF claim. Or maybe it's just HTF. NEF (Not Easily Found)? Good luck with the sales, GeoLobo. The picture being used on the auction page is actually for the ver. 2 Silver. This just adds to the confusion!!! The Gold Lizard is Version 3 which is in stock at the Caching Place. So does he have Gold ver. 3 or does he have the picture which is Silver ver. 2? Quote Link to comment
+Damenace Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 (edited) Sorry Hiccups! Edited August 15, 2007 by Damenace Quote Link to comment
+pghlooking Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 If someone can place coins for sale on eBay and then promote it here, surely it should be allowed to debate the accuracy of the sale being promoted to better educate the unknowing people here. Let's protect the masses who are buying the coins verus the seller who is making a false claim of a VHTF coin that is still for sale on the original vendors site. This needs to be a two way street, not a place where you know you can't be called out on some over inflated advertising. I agree this needs to be done without the name calling and such, but the OP sure wasn't missing a beat when calling names himself in this thread. I wasn't knocking your right to debate the issue. And, since links to trackable sales on Ebay are allowed, I respectfully disagree with Eartha that the subject shouldn't be discussed here. My objection was to the attacks leveled at the OP. You don't have to like the listing method, and you can debate how ethical it is...but in the end, it's his listing, and if he gets more for the coin, good for him. Now, this is all rhetorical on my part since he lost credibility with me by escalating the name calling. That was uncalled for, but my basic point remains the same. I agree with you 100%. Quote Link to comment
+Cav Scout Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) What is a MOS 19-<improper language removed by moderator>? Is that a coin you are selling as well? Is it VHTF? >Hope the coin I gave you helped in your time of financial need. I hope all your fake war credentials helped you impress others in your time of need. What was your MOS again? MOS 19-<improper language removed by moderator> > You need another gold OIFGA to sell Sure, send it my way. Edited August 23, 2007 by Eartha Quote Link to comment
+shubs Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 (edited) And while we are at it, how about the issue of selling stolen coins on E-Bay? Since E-bay really doesn't police this issue, how can we tell before making a purchase, and certainly afterward. I would feel guilty if I found out after making a purchase that it was stolen from a cache and then sold on E-Bay. Edited August 16, 2007 by shubs Quote Link to comment
+horsegeeks Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 And while we are at it, how about the issue of selling stolen coins on E-Bay? Since E-bay really doesn't police this issue, how can we tell before making a purchase, and certainly afterward. I would feel guilty if I found out after making a purchase that it was stolen from a cache and then sold on E-Bay. You wouldn't have to feel guilty just put it back in a cache Quote Link to comment
+joranda Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 Is this what happens to people who buy way to many coins and gets behind on there day to day spend? So they sell it all to get back on track? Quote Link to comment
+Hula Bum Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 If you don't know what site to go to, then they certainly could be VHTF, even if they are still for sale at the original marketplace. It's marketing, it gets someone to look at the listing, plain and simple. If you've done your homework, then you know, if you haven't, well then you may end up paying too much, but that's what commerce is all about. Shop around and don't believe everything you read and you'll be just fine. There are more important things to get in a bunch about then how someone has their coins listed. Quote Link to comment
+Cheesy pigs Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 (edited) Is this what happens to people who buy way to many coins and gets behind on there day to day spend? So they sell it all to get back on track? Yes. Run away now - run as far and as fast as you can. Go now. *Edited to say - ...and dont look back, lest you turn into a pillar of salt....or lose your life savings.... Edited August 23, 2007 by Cheesy pigs Quote Link to comment
+Eartha Posted August 23, 2007 Share Posted August 23, 2007 I do not want to take this thread off topic, but since there were replies to my statement, and I have been away from my computer for a time, I have to answer. My statement was to say that complaints here won't do anything over on Ebay. I never said it couldn't be debated here, but we don't control Ebay listings, and cannot punish anyone, suspend them, edit them, slap them on the wrist, ban them, kick them out, or whatever on Ebay. It's out of our jurisdiction. It should also be in a separate thread on the subject. So, if you have a complaint about an Ebay listing, then that is where you register your complaint. Quote Link to comment
+lost-in-montana Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 If you don't know what site to go to, then they certainly could be VHTF, even if they are still for sale at the original marketplace. It's marketing, it gets someone to look at the listing, plain and simple. If you've done your homework, then you know, if you haven't, well then you may end up paying too much, but that's what commerce is all about. Shop around and don't believe everything you read and you'll be just fine. There are more important things to get in a bunch about then how someone has their coins listed. I would like to agree. I shop Ebay for geocoins for 2 reasons. 1) I am new to geocaching and dont know where to find all the cool stuff 2) And if I do happen to find them, I dont have a credit card as needed to purchase from the sites I have found! If they accepted PayPal....No problem! I am also seller on ebay and yes, it is a marketing strategy (and true to some people). Everyone has their opinions of what is VHTF. Just like saying something not new is "VINTAGE" its not vintage in my opinion but I havent had anyone complain in the 3+ years and 1000 transactions. Quote Link to comment
+lost-in-montana Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I am still trying to get rid of all my coins from my collection. I am Selling due to a financial issue. I have been listing them on ebay and I have 600 (out of 1000 +) coins left to sell. Here is a taste of some of the trackables http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...E:IT&ih=006 THanks GeoLobo Do you have any that are not activated? I have seen your listings before on Ebay and would prob. buy if they are not activated. Quote Link to comment
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