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Jeep, Coin, Diabetes and Regular TB Hording.


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I recently noticed a geocacher that has been hording all the TB's that he finds. He runs to caches that he sees has them ...everyday he runs and runs to get them lol...then he holds on to them and currently has the following in his inventory.

 

2 Yellow Jeeps

 

4 Green Jeeps

 

2 White Jeeps

 

13 GeoCoins

 

9 Diabetes TB

 

 

He also has logged an additional 9 coins into events within the last month and has failed to log them back out

 

also has logged atleast another 4 Diabetes bugs into events and has failed to log them out.

 

Now I left a message on one of the Jeep pages and noted that is was such a shame that someone takes these and holds onto them for so long.....he contacted me and this is his explanation...

 

He feels since these type of trackables disappear in the caches and even though he doesnt own these TB's he feels he must protect them...hold on to them and only let people discover them at events.

 

I told him this is essentially stealing and he did not agree with me. I feel as if he has stolen these bugs and has taken ownership of these bugs, coins and Jeeps that he doesnt own...he just doesnt get it. He actually does not own a single coin or bug of his own!!!!

 

I havent even bothered to calculate how many regular TB's he has currently held in his prison.

 

I was hoping everyone could voice their opinion and then I could send him a link to this topic.

 

Tell him what you think please!!!!!

 

Or tell me what you think of me complaining about it!!!!

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IMHO he is stealing those bugs and coins. even if he is sharing them at events... he has hijacked them and is taking control of something that isn't his to take control of.

 

If he only takes them to events then how do they "travel" as they should? he needs to move them on.

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I have reported a cacher who is holding over 20 jeeps. Before doing so, I made several attempts to contact him through both the main profile, and his sockpuppets acct. Both email addresses were invalid. He transfered the jeeps to a sockpuppet acct, then dropped them into a cache, followed by marking them missing. Turns out the cache used was his sons.

 

A series of emails came at me from different people after posting a note on the cache. First claiming the jeeps are being restored, then that they are being held for some event thats not a geocaching event. I just checked and he's deleted some logs on the sockpuppet acct to hide that he has them. Also some have been passed off to his wife and sons accts.

 

If I recall correctly, the sockpuppet acct had 18 white jeeps, 3-5 green jeeps, and a few yellows yesterday. But some have been deleted today.

 

Heres one of LOTS that are being hoarded...White Jeep Hayle

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I have reported a cacher who is holding over 20 jeeps. Before doing so, I made several attempts to contact him through both the main profile, and his sockpuppets acct. Both email addresses were invalid. He transfered the jeeps to a sockpuppet acct, then dropped them into a cache, followed by marking them missing. Turns out the cache used was his sons.

 

A series of emails came at me from different people after posting a note on the cache. First claiming the jeeps are being restored, then that they are being held for some event thats not a geocaching event. I just checked and he's deleted some logs on the sockpuppet acct to hide that he has them. Also some have been passed off to his wife and sons accts.

 

If I recall correctly, the sockpuppet acct had 18 white jeeps, 3-5 green jeeps, and a few yellows yesterday. But some have been deleted today.

 

Heres one of LOTS that are being hoarded...White Jeep Hayle

 

I think everyone in their caching area should know what they are up to. Single him out an an event and let everyone know what he's doing.

 

My local cacher that is doing it goes to events...I think I will ask to make a small speech at my next event lol

 

"If anyone wants to log a yellow, white or green Jeep...please see "SO and SO" because he has over 70 TB's in his inventory that are not his and im sure he has brought them all to share tonight" LOL

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I have reported a cacher who is holding over 20 jeeps. Before doing so, I made several attempts to contact him through both the main profile, and his sockpuppets acct. Both email addresses were invalid. He transfered the jeeps to a sockpuppet acct, then dropped them into a cache, followed by marking them missing. Turns out the cache used was his sons.

 

A series of emails came at me from different people after posting a note on the cache. First claiming the jeeps are being restored, then that they are being held for some event thats not a geocaching event. I just checked and he's deleted some logs on the sockpuppet acct to hide that he has them. Also some have been passed off to his wife and sons accts.

 

If I recall correctly, the sockpuppet acct had 18 white jeeps, 3-5 green jeeps, and a few yellows yesterday. But some have been deleted today.

 

Heres one of LOTS that are being hoarded...White Jeep Hayle

 

I think everyone in their caching area should know what they are up to. Single him out an an event and let everyone know what he's doing.

 

My local cacher that is doing it goes to events...I think I will ask to make a small speech at my next event lol

 

"If anyone wants to log a yellow, white or green Jeep...please see "SO and SO" because he has over 70 TB's in his inventory that are not his and im sure he has brought them all to share tonight" LOL

 

Please go to the next event and make your little speech!

 

Be sure to tell everyone how Jeff has been hiding caches faster than anyone else in the area and how every single one of his caches are launched with a Jeep, a coin or a diabetes travel bug. I am sure everyone will be horrified to hear about that!

 

We've already had this conversation. It is sad that you have to be so childish to go and post it in the Groundspeak forums. You are upset because I have two yellow jeeps that I refuse to leave in a cache because I don't want them to disappear in two days never to be seen again. Groundspeak has already said once the contest is over that the Jeeps are up for grabs and people can choose to do what they want with them.

 

I am choosing to share them with everyone by having them visit events.

 

I am yet to have an owner complain about any travel bug that I have had. When an owner complains to me about the way I am handling their trackable item I will be happy to address their concerns. I have rarely held onto anything for more than a few weeks and intend to keep it that way, with the exception of the yellow and white jeeps which I will always be happy to trade in person with anyone.

 

Thanks for your concern and feel free to contact me directly in a less childish manner next time you have a concern! I mean come on, first you post directly to a travel bug page, and then here? Grow up, if you have something to say to me say it directly to me.

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I have reported a cacher who is holding over 20 jeeps. Before doing so, I made several attempts to contact him through both the main profile, and his sockpuppets acct. Both email addresses were invalid. He transfered the jeeps to a sockpuppet acct, then dropped them into a cache, followed by marking them missing. Turns out the cache used was his sons.

 

A series of emails came at me from different people after posting a note on the cache. First claiming the jeeps are being restored, then that they are being held for some event thats not a geocaching event. I just checked and he's deleted some logs on the sockpuppet acct to hide that he has them. Also some have been passed off to his wife and sons accts.

 

If I recall correctly, the sockpuppet acct had 18 white jeeps, 3-5 green jeeps, and a few yellows yesterday. But some have been deleted today.

 

Heres one of LOTS that are being hoarded...White Jeep Hayle

 

I think everyone in their caching area should know what they are up to. Single him out an an event and let everyone know what he's doing.

 

My local cacher that is doing it goes to events...I think I will ask to make a small speech at my next event lol

 

"If anyone wants to log a yellow, white or green Jeep...please see "SO and SO" because he has over 70 TB's in his inventory that are not his and im sure he has brought them all to share tonight" LOL

 

Please go to the next event and make your little speech!

 

Be sure to tell everyone how Jeff has been hiding caches faster than anyone else in the area and how every single one of his caches are launched with a Jeep, a coin or a diabetes travel bug. I am sure everyone will be horrified to hear about that!

 

We've already had this conversation. It is sad that you have to be so childish to go and post it in the Groundspeak forums. You are upset because I have two yellow jeeps that I refuse to leave in a cache because I don't want them to disappear in two days never to be seen again. Groundspeak has already said once the contest is over that the Jeeps are up for grabs and people can choose to do what they want with them.

 

I am choosing to share them with everyone by having them visit events.

 

I am yet to have an owner complain about any travel bug that I have had. When an owner complains to me about the way I am handling their trackable item I will be happy to address their concerns. I have rarely held onto anything for more than a few weeks and intend to keep it that way, with the exception of the yellow and white jeeps which I will always be happy to trade in person with anyone.

 

Thanks for your concern and feel free to contact me directly in a less childish manner next time you have a concern! I mean come on, first you post directly to a travel bug page, and then here? Grow up, if you have something to say to me say it directly to me.

 

just had to quote this before he changed anything he wrote...now off to post this in the NE forums since he is adimant that what he is doing is right. maybe some local input will cure his attitude.

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We've already had this conversation. It is sad that you have to be so childish to go and post it in the Groundspeak forums. You are upset because I have two yellow jeeps that I refuse to leave in a cache because I don't want them to disappear in two days never to be seen again. Groundspeak has already said once the contest is over that the Jeeps are up for grabs and people can choose to do what they want with them.

 

I am choosing to share them with everyone by having them visit events.

 

I am yet to have an owner complain about any travel bug that I have had. When an owner complains to me about the way I am handling their trackable item I will be happy to address their concerns. I have rarely held onto anything for more than a few weeks and intend to keep it that way, with the exception of the yellow and white jeeps which I will always be happy to trade in person with anyone.

 

Thanks for your concern and feel free to contact me directly in a less childish manner next time you have a concern! I mean come on, first you post directly to a travel bug page, and then here? Grow up, if you have something to say to me say it directly to me.

 

Thanks for ensuring that cachers who don't go to events will have even less of an chance get to log a jeep. Funny how the jeeps I do find traveling seem to move along just fine until someone decides that a childs toy car is a personal possesion. Last time I checked, the mission/goal on all jeeps reads: "Current GOAL: Move me to another cache so I can meet another geocacher." Or

"Current GOAL: Log your visit, and move me to a new geocache! "

No where does it say "keep me, I'm yours to do what you want with."

 

Its this hoarding mentality that causes folks who do find them to think its normal and ok to keep trackables. What a crock. ;)

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I never thought trying to teach someone about proper bug etiquette would make them email me with personal insults and name calling. ;) Heck I guess I dont blame him for being embarrased....this is why I like to keep things in the forums...not in personal emails...it keeps people in check of what they say.

 

Just wanted to warn people if they plan on emailing him directly....you just might get some really nasty name calling emails instead of a thought provoking conversation on the right and wrongs about TB's.

 

I will NOT post his personal emails in this forum...but heck I wish I could!!!

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Please go to the next event and make your little speech!

 

Be sure to tell everyone how Jeff has been hiding caches faster than anyone else in the area and how every single one of his caches are launched with a Jeep, a coin or a diabetes travel bug. I am sure everyone will be horrified to hear about that!

 

We've already had this conversation. It is sad that you have to be so childish to go and post it in the Groundspeak forums. You are upset because I have two yellow jeeps that I refuse to leave in a cache because I don't want them to disappear in two days never to be seen again. Groundspeak has already said once the contest is over that the Jeeps are up for grabs and people can choose to do what they want with them.

 

I am choosing to share them with everyone by having them visit events.

 

I am yet to have an owner complain about any travel bug that I have had. When an owner complains to me about the way I am handling their trackable item I will be happy to address their concerns. I have rarely held onto anything for more than a few weeks and intend to keep it that way, with the exception of the yellow and white jeeps which I will always be happy to trade in person with anyone.

 

Thanks for your concern and feel free to contact me directly in a less childish manner next time you have a concern! I mean come on, first you post directly to a travel bug page, and then here? Grow up, if you have something to say to me say it directly to me.

 

just had to quote this before he changed anything he wrote...now off to post this in the NE forums since he is adimant that what he is doing is right. maybe some local input will cure his attitude.

 

Grow up Cindy, first you accuse me of stealing coins that disappeared months before I even heard of Geocaching, and now you are saying I would change my post? My God, what is this, Junior High School all over again. Why would I change something like that? I have something called integrity and I will happily stand by what I say.

 

It's great, you are exposing yourself for what you are. You even say yourself you go behind people's back instead of having the respect to say something directly to them in an adult mannor. Really happy we have people like you in Geocaching.

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If you two are done sparring perhaps you can answer a question.

 

Granted the contest is over, but what gave you the impression that Groundspeak said “that the Jeeps are up for grabs and people can choose to do what they want with them.”?

 

Because I'm pretty darn sure that's not true.

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Current GOAL: Log your visit, and move me to a new geocache!

 

Current GOAL: My mission should be fun for everyone. I wish to visit every province and/or state in North America. If you can't travel between provinces/states, just take a picture of me next to your city's "Welcome To" sign. If you do take me across borders etc, please take my picture with me in front of the Province/State sign too. I thank you for helping me accomplish this.

 

Current GOAL: Your goal when finding this is to visit a casino, take a picture with the travel bug in hand. I would like to see "Leaving for Vegas" work it's way all over the world. I hope the luck of the dice brings you great winning!!!!

 

This was what I had found when researching travel bugs. I didn't copy them all here as that would take up to much room, but NEVER did I find any "trackable item" with the current goal listed as "find me and stick me in your pocket for only you to enjoy"

I found 4 caches on Easter afternoon, all 4 had travel bugs listed in them that had goals I could help with. NONE...(did I say that loud enough NOT A ONE) still had a travel bug present to continue on it's journey. Nor had anything been logged. The owners I contacted were all aware already of the AWOL TB's, and while saddened by somebody else's lack of concern for the sport, most were going to release another one sometime soon.

I have found other trackables in my short stint Geocaching, but knew at the time I couldn't help them with their goal, so I left them there, they were all later discovered and moved along in the right direction.

 

I have recently ordered my own TB's and have hikers ready and waiting on them to start journeys. I reckon all I can do is hope that whoever finds them will have good enough ethics to know about the TB, and help it on it's way.

After reading this thread I seriously considered not even turning them loose, but that wouldn't be fair to those who enjoy finding them and helping them along. All I can do is just hope that they will travel on thier way, and not get banished to some "TB prison" to only be shown where the self proclaimed "TB King" deems them worthy like a circus side show.

Thanks for letting me vent, and making us all aware that TB kidnapping is happening.

JMHO,

Scooter

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Posting profiles of cachers in the forums, to point fingers and accuse them of theft is not acceptable. I checked some of those profiles and do not see what you consider hoarding. One of the TB's was only picked up a few days ago.

 

Holding travel bugs is also not acceptable, but we are not the cache police, and no one else is either.

 

No one ever said, as far as I can recall, that you may keep the Jeeps when the contest is over, they are meant to travel. So send them out and let them keep traveling. For those being accused of hoarding, you as well, are accusing an unknown person of theft before they ever got a chance to pick up the TB, by not placing it and not trusting other cachers enough to move it to another cache. It isn't yours, you do not get to decide its fate, place it in a cache.

Furthermore, take any of these personal debates to another venue, the Groundspeak Forums are not the place for your arguments. Please re-read the forum guidelines. Including these sections:

Some things to keep in mind when posting:

 

Respect: Respect the guidelines for forum usage, and site usage. Respect Groundspeak, its employees, volunteers, yourself, fellow community members, and guests on these boards. Whether a community member has one post or 5,000 posts, they deserve the same respect.

 

Personal Attacks and Flames will not be tolerated. If you want to praise or criticize, give examples as to why it is good or bad, general attacks on a person or idea will not be tolerated.

 

Private Discussions: Sometimes, a discussion thread strays off into a friendly dialogue or a heated debate among a very small number of users. For these exchanges, use the private discussion feature that is provided through the Groundspeak forums, or the Geocaching.com e-mail system. Public forum posts should be reserved for matters of interest to the general community.

 

You may also want to brush up on the Terms of Use for the geocaching.com website.

 

Also, not placing a TB within two weeks, even a month or more, is normal activity. But if it is not your travel bug, do not hold onto it. That is why they go missing. People trying to save the bugs from the world. If you hold it, it's the same thing as someone else holding it. I see no difference. The whole point of a travel bug is to travel, pick up stories, gather photos of where it's been, let the owner live vicariously through their travel bug. It is not to sit in someone's pocket so others can take a peek at it from time to time. Where is the fun in that? Big whoop if you see a bug and didn't do anything with it. Most TB owners certainly don't like getting all those "I saw your bug at an event today, that's all I did" all the while waiting for the one log where someone said "Cool bug! I hope I can help it to its goal! I'll place it soon." This is just a game, we are not competing, we are supposed to be having fun. So, go outside and have fun.

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Would like to contribute something positive towards this cacher in NH. He helped my bug travel out to California. He even went on a 'rescue mission' to retrive my bug from a cache that wasn't getting visited so it could be back in circulation. I consider him the reason my bug finally moved out of New England as it was intended to.

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This seems like a really easy non-issue. Find a travel bug or trackable and place it in another cache. If you can't follow this simple rule it doesn't seem like you are playing the game. I would love to hear from anyone who thinks the rules are different.

 

This seems to have a strange semblance to the found it/didn't find it thread for caches.

 

Hmmm...I found this travel bug and it wants to visit every building in America that was built before 1900. Since I know the travel bug will disappear if I place it in another cache I will keep it and only allow other cachers to discover it at events.

 

I went to a cache location last week where there was very little chance I was looking in the wrong spot. I found a piece of velcro. I posted a note that the container was missing. Didn't post a find log since the container ws not there. Just up the road I saw a container that I could not retrieve due to the muggle factor when I was there. I took a picture of the container but did not log a find.

 

Anyone who keeps trackables intended to be moved or logs finds they did not sign is degrading our game.

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If you two are done sparring perhaps you can answer a question.

 

Granted the contest is over, but what gave you the impression that Groundspeak said “that the Jeeps are up for grabs and people can choose to do what they want with them.”?

 

Because I'm pretty darn sure that's not true.

 

That was a "generic" reply from someone at Groundspeak when the issue was raised concerning someone who had 15 or so Jeeps which had not been logged or moved in over a year though they were caching almost every day. I do not have the email any longer, I recieved it in Jan, but it came from someone who awnsers the emails at this addy http://support.Groundspeak.com/Support/index.php

 

They more or less said once the contest is over Groundspeak does not have any control or ways to enforce that the Jeeps are kept in cirulation.

 

If that isn't true don't you think they would do something about the people who are really hording them?

 

As for my Jeeps it really is a non-issue, especially if you check out my Bushwhack Bob cache event that I hosted, the page clearly states what mine will be used for once the winter is over here in New England. (More snow coming tonight)

 

I'll close this subject with an observation my girlfriend Stephanie made last night about this. "How much free time do these people have if the most pressing issue to them is your caching habits?" She also added that it was funny that no one was complaining when I was hiding all of the caches over the winter when no one else, but now that it has been a few weeks since my last hide I am hearing all of this.

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Huh, I guess that's one way to look at things.

 

I am fully aware that some people consider that since Groundspeak isn't going to go after every cacher holding on to one of several thousand jeeps and UFD bugs that it's 'go ahead' to do whatever they want with them.

 

I have no doubt you sleep with a clear conscience.

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OK, I did apologize for getting in the middle of this dispute. But, "IF " and I stress "IF" you have a travel bug and it is NOT your own, move it to a cache and let other cachers move it. The jeep TBs are not yours to decide what fate may be for them. If you place them and they get stolen it is not on you but the person who stole it. Travel Bugs and Geocoins are released so they can travel freely and not be apart of someones collection or safe keeping. That is all I have to say. Take care, Happy caching, and may a thousand camels carry you to all your future finds. <_<

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They more or less said once the contest is over Groundspeak does not have any control or ways to enforce that the Jeeps are kept in cirulation.

 

 

Once these Travel Bugs are released into the wild Groundspeak has no control of there fate :unsure: . I am confused as to the difference between control during the game and control after the game ;) . Can someone please explain to me how Groundspeak controls and enforces the movement of Jeeps during the game :rolleyes: ? It has already been clearly stated that Groundspeak does not play caching police? I find some of the these comments contradicting :huh: .

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Bugs are meant to travel...even the Jeeps and Diabetes bugs!

 

I see you have 3 Yellow, 3 white Jeeps, note that they have been in your possession for only a month or so...I don't see a problem with that.

 

You might want to tell you girlfriend that cachers watch their items (and others as well)...if they seem to be watching you, that would likely mean you have something of theirs and they are anxiously watching for it to travel on. Yes, we do have time to keep track of our items...and many watch these as if they were our children...because for some, they ARE! Since we are our own police, we tend to be protective! :D

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I will throw my 2 cents in the pot about hoarding. I have found exactly 1 YJTB and one someone was holding onto it I asked them to move it along. I was sent an email that kindly told me to kiss his backside and he moved the TB to a graveyard. When he GJTB came out I got one to start on its journey and purposely put it in a cache requiring a hike. The TB was picked up and traveled exactly 0 miles after I placed it. I posted a note about the "thieves" (I was pretty ticked) and received an email last week stating they were not thieves and had misplaced there cache bag which they just found. My thought would be to check my inventory and post notes on the trackables that were misplaced. They have yet to move along the TB after there email to me last week. I wonder how these hoarders would feel if a cacher decided to keepe their TB so someone else did not steal it or took there cache so it didn't get muggled. Same difference in my opinion.

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I will throw my 2 cents in the pot about hoarding. I have found exactly 1 YJTB and one someone was holding onto it I asked them to move it along. I was sent an email that kindly told me to kiss his backside and he moved the TB to a graveyard. When he GJTB came out I got one to start on its journey and purposely put it in a cache requiring a hike. The TB was picked up and traveled exactly 0 miles after I placed it. I posted a note about the "thieves" (I was pretty ticked) and received an email last week stating they were not thieves and had misplaced there cache bag which they just found. My thought would be to check my inventory and post notes on the trackables that were misplaced. They have yet to move along the TB after there email to me last week. I wonder how these hoarders would feel if a cacher decided to keepe their TB so someone else did not steal it or took there cache so it didn't get muggled. Same difference in my opinion.

 

We, as cachers, are not the cache police, and people tend to get irritated when they are accused of thievery. As long as you move the travel bug you can feel good about yourself. Yes some people hoard, but not everyone. Most are just people who don't get a chance to go caching every single weekend. If you intend on emailing another cacher, please keep your tone nice. If it isn't your own travel bug, then you do not need to email them at all. That irritates people too, getting an email from someone who doesn't even own it, that accuses them of thievery. Those are not words to be taken lightly.

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Eartha put it best.

 

How ever that "Self appointed grand pobah of NH Geocaching" kills me everytime I see it! ;)

 

I kinda like it myself :D

 

I had no intention of causing trouble or drawing attention to a certain cacher...I never identified anyone by name....I just wanted to show the person involved that what he was doing was not the "normally accepted" way of doing things. If someone tends to make up thier own rules as they go along...I believe that just ruins the sport for others.

 

I hope many people have learned from this thread about the proper way to move bugs, coins and especially Jeeps. That was my only intention! Pure & Simple....for the love of the game!

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I know I've learned to keep my nose out of others peoples bussiness, and not accuse any one of anything untill there is no doubt that they are doing something wrong. Yes TB and coin hoarding is wrong but in geocaching I am afraid it is always going to happen. So WeatherednBoston, Pure & Simple, have fun with caching and stop worring about what everyone is doing around you...for the love of the game! B)

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I know I've learned to keep my nose out of others peoples bussiness, and not accuse any one of anything untill there is no doubt that they are doing something wrong. Yes TB and coin hoarding is wrong but in geocaching I am afraid it is always going to happen. So WeatherednBoston, Pure & Simple, have fun with caching and stop worring about what everyone is doing around you...for the love of the game! :anicute:

AMEN!

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I know I've learned to keep my nose out of others peoples bussiness, and not accuse any one of anything untill there is no doubt that they are doing something wrong. Yes TB and coin hoarding is wrong but in geocaching I am afraid it is always going to happen. So WeatherednBoston, Pure & Simple, have fun with caching and stop worring about what everyone is doing around you...for the love of the game! :blink:

AMEN!

 

While geocaching has chosen not to do anything about such situations, aren't you accepting and condoning such behavior? Mind your own business, and let the thieves steal anything that they want?

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I know I've learned to keep my nose out of others peoples bussiness, and not accuse any one of anything untill there is no doubt that they are doing something wrong. Yes TB and coin hoarding is wrong but in geocaching I am afraid it is always going to happen. So WeatherednBoston, Pure & Simple, have fun with caching and stop worring about what everyone is doing around you...for the love of the game! <_<

AMEN!

 

While geocaching has chosen not to do anything about such situations, aren't you accepting and condoning such behavior? Mind your own business, and let the thieves steal anything that they want?

 

I have a handful of TB's wandering around out there. Do I expect them to last forever?No. Do I expect them to only fall into the hands of people that move TBs like I do? No! Am I going to get all worked up about some small minority of people that behave badly and don't follow the rules? No! I do this to get out and relax, I have more than enough stress in my life without compounding it by crusading against Jeep horders. I am for calling people out for sitting on TBs for long periods of time, but that should be the owner of the TB to do with the cacher holding the item.

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Sometimes we come across bugs or coins that we'd LIKE to keep. In that case we usually put in the log that we will place them within 3 weeks. My 1st Jeep find had a 3 week stay, and RenoStar took a CHP Geocoin out in the squad car every night for 2 weeks, but I think that just adds to the experiences you can share in the logs with the owner.

 

Seems to me that anyone who feels the need to inflate their ego by being a Jeep-Keeper so that people will flock to them just to see it has some issues. I discovered a Jeep that had met over 400 people not long ago. Don't know anyone with THAT many aquaintances. Next thing you know we'll have to pay to log Jeeps! Guess its the difference between seeing a deer dead in the back of a pickup truck and seeing it grazing in a meadow. I'd rather see bugs and coins in the wild instead as trophy pieces. <_<

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NO NO NO - Wrong answer. This guy needs to wake up and realize what he is doing goes against the whole idea of a travel bug. Email this guy and let him know no one appointed him geo police!!!!!! An example: I am leaving for L.A. friday morning and I am taking some recent TB and coin finds with me and I will placing them there. I emailed each owner and advised them of my intentions so they would know there trackables are safe and I WILL be moving them. Send me his email address, I have a few a few choice words for him!!!!

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I know I've learned to keep my nose out of others peoples bussiness, and not accuse any one of anything untill there is no doubt that they are doing something wrong. Yes TB and coin hoarding is wrong but in geocaching I am afraid it is always going to happen. So WeatherednBoston, Pure & Simple, have fun with caching and stop worring about what everyone is doing around you...for the love of the game! :laughing:

AMEN!

 

While geocaching has chosen not to do anything about such situations, aren't you accepting and condoning such behavior? Mind your own business, and let the thieves steal anything that they want?

 

Geocaching.com does not have the manpower to follow each and every bug around the globe. Stop and think about how it. OK, say we ban them. They open another account. We can't drive to their house, turn them upside down and hope the hoarded TBs fall out of their pockets. We also cannot deputize ourselves as the geo-police, or take a vigilante stance. If it's not your bug or coin, stay out of it, cachers have no reason to contact anyone about someone else's bug. Sure you might like to handle them with kindness, but some people can be downright nasty and accusing. You don't know that the person who has a bug in their possession might have been hurt, gotten sick, had a death in the family, got sent to Iraq, broke their GPS and is saving up for another, life gets in the way, so not everyone holding a bug is a thief, and if you accuse them, they may just quit the game and the bug is gone forever. If it isn't yours, leave it alone and let the owner worry about it. And if the person is a thief, you are antagonizing them, which is sure death for the bug, and also, giving them the attention they are seeking. Leave it alone. If you feel you must make a statement, post a simple note to the bug page, ie: "Has anyone seen this bug, it's been missing for while" Simple as that. Don't start making good people mad, or bad people worse. Sometimes, they already did move the bug, but they didn't know how to log it, or forgot to when they posted their find, or they lost the tracking number between picking it up and dropping it off, so you end up accusing someone who did not take a bug. Unless you are the owner, know the owner, know the exact story, and the person who last saw the bug, stay out it, you could be making things worse. I mean the collective you.

Yes, someone is holding one of my bugs, and they haven't been on the site in years, but I only emailed them three times in the years, nicely, and they moved, and don't cache anymore, so every now and then I'll post a note on the bug page. I stopped emailing them, they probably lost it in the move. I move on.

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I know I've learned to keep my nose out of others peoples bussiness, and not accuse any one of anything untill there is no doubt that they are doing something wrong. Yes TB and coin hoarding is wrong but in geocaching I am afraid it is always going to happen. So WeatherednBoston, Pure & Simple, have fun with caching and stop worring about what everyone is doing around you...for the love of the game! :laughing:

AMEN!

 

While geocaching has chosen not to do anything about such situations, aren't you accepting and condoning such behavior? Mind your own business, and let the thieves steal anything that they want?

 

Geocaching.com does not have the manpower to follow each and every bug around the globe. Stop and think about how it. OK, say we ban them. They open another account. We can't drive to their house, turn them upside down and hope the hoarded TBs fall out of their pockets. We also cannot deputize ourselves as the geo-police, or take a vigilante stance. If it's not your bug or coin, stay out of it, cachers have no reason to contact anyone about someone else's bug. Sure you might like to handle them with kindness, but some people can be downright nasty and accusing. You don't know that the person who has a bug in their possession might have been hurt, gotten sick, had a death in the family, got sent to Iraq, broke their GPS and is saving up for another, life gets in the way, so not everyone holding a bug is a thief, and if you accuse them, they may just quit the game and the bug is gone forever. If it isn't yours, leave it alone and let the owner worry about it. And if the person is a thief, you are antagonizing them, which is sure death for the bug, and also, giving them the attention they are seeking. Leave it alone. If you feel you must make a statement, post a simple note to the bug page, ie: "Has anyone seen this bug, it's been missing for while" Simple as that. Don't start making good people mad, or bad people worse. Sometimes, they already did move the bug, but they didn't know how to log it, or forgot to when they posted their find, or they lost the tracking number between picking it up and dropping it off, so you end up accusing someone who did not take a bug. Unless you are the owner, know the owner, know the exact story, and the person who last saw the bug, stay out it, you could be making things worse. I mean the collective you.

Yes, someone is holding one of my bugs, and they haven't been on the site in years, but I only emailed them three times in the years, nicely, and they moved, and don't cache anymore, so every now and then I'll post a note on the bug page. I stopped emailing them, they probably lost it in the move. I move on.

 

being the 3rd time you told us we understand that Geocaching.com can't police everyone's bugs.... BUT the bugs in question aren't an average bug... we as a community are trying to establish that this "person" is keeping the bugs from accoutns that can't do anything about them... i.e. the geocaching's jeep accounts. Now if Jeep were sending out emails to people who held onto them then we wouldn't feel the need to try to help. It is unfortunate that you apparantely do not want to help out on this but this person is not in iraq, sick, broken GPS or any of the other excuses you mentioned. This person is a <word removed by moderator> that is just keeping the bugs for his own pleasure and if I ever came across him I would definitely give him a piece of my mind.

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being the 3rd time you told us we understand that Geocaching.com can't police everyone's bugs.... BUT the bugs in question aren't an average bug... we as a community are trying to establish that this "person" is keeping the bugs from accoutns that can't do anything about them... i.e. the geocaching's jeep accounts. Now if Jeep were sending out emails to people who held onto them then we wouldn't feel the need to try to help. It is unfortunate that you apparantely do not want to help out on this but this person is not in iraq, sick, broken GPS or any of the other excuses you mentioned. This person is a scumbag that is just keeping the bugs for his own pleasure and if I ever came across him I would definitely give him a piece of my mind.

 

The person in question is fully aware of the community opinion and has even replied to this thread.

 

Gc.com, the jeep tb owner, has already decided how much effort they are going to give this. Nobody has to agree with their approach, but it's still a fact

 

You want to take it upon yourself to apply peer pressure? Fine by me, just don't cross gc.com conduct guidelines.

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Doesn't Jeep/Daimler-Chrystler own the Jeeps? I just came from their website looking at something unrelated and came across this statement, "Although the 2004 and 2005 challenges are complete, if you find either of those Jeep 4x4 Travel Bugs, please continue to move them to another cache for others to enjoy." Don't want to stir up anymore trouble, just curious. :laughing:

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Yes there is a partnership and yes they have requested that people move them along.

 

I get it, you get it, my five year old gets it, and the majority of us get it, even the people who don't get it, get it when it's explained.

 

Unfortunately there are people who have their own reasons for keeping a jeep and no amount of rational thought is going to convince them otherwise.

 

Edit: toned it down just a touch.

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