National Trust for Scotland

6.2k · January 2, 2007

I've checked the GAGB database, and while the NT is listed there, there's no mention of the NTS. I'm trying to make contact with someone there who already knows about caching with a view to setting up an event in the summer. If anyone knows who I should be speaking to, please drop me a mail via my profile. Thanks!

Edited January 2, 2007 by Simply Paul

January 2, 2007

GAGB hasn't had any contact with NTS. If you make contact with anyone you think worth fostering then please let us know.

3.8k · January 2, 2007

I'm afraid that I haven't had any contact with them.

As for your event, just a suggestion but research your dates, there are already several events leading up to June and more in the pipeline afterwards. People including myself are already saying they can't make events as there are quite a lot in Scotland just now (events tend to attract the same characters up here due to the remoteness of some locations).

With that said, if the location and dates are suitable for me, I will come along.

6.2k · January 2, 2007

The provisional date is Sunday the 24th of June, which doesn't clash with any event -listed or planned- that I'm aware of. The place, NTS willing, is St. Kilda in the North Atlantic. My research suggests my first choice, Rockall, is just too hard to get to, too dangerous to land on, and too small to be an interesting spot for folk to visit.

Having attended events at the highest points in Britain (Snowdon 2004, Ben Nevis 2005, Scafell Pike 2006) people were asking what I had planned for 2007. Rather than going 'up' again, I thought it might be fun to go 'out' to the most remote corner of the British isles: St. Kilda. It's 41 miles west of Benbecula in the Outer Hebrides, and would be one of those remarkable places you'd never visit if 'it wasn't for geocaching'. Looks pretty.

Edit to add a question for the Approvers: As a World Heritage Site, would a low-impact event -even ok'd by NTS- still be listable? It'd be interesting to leave the UK's most remote physical cache behind too -with no locals to look after it, it'd have to be maintained by the local NTS warden- but would this be possible given the islands' WHS status?

Edited January 2, 2007 by Simply Paul

January 2, 2007

St Kilda is notoriously difficult to visit. There is a very small campsite - visitor numbers are limited to six (yes six!) You would have to charter a boat - sailing times are between 8 - 14 hours depending on departure point. (And expensive to boot!)

Some boat charters would allow you to stay on board whilst visiting which gets around the campsite problem.

The local NTS contact is here:

The National Trust for Scotland, Balnain House, 40 Huntly Street, Inverness, IV3 5HR Tel: 01463 232034

I'm in Inverness every day just about. (Except holidays like now... )

Failing that try :

The National Trust for Scotland

Wemyss House

28 Charlotte Square

Edinburgh

Scotland

United Kingdom

EH2 4ET

Telephone: +44(0)131 243 9300

email: information@nts.org.uk

1.6k · January 2, 2007

Edit to add a question for the Approvers: As a World Heritage Site, would a low-impact event -even ok'd by NTS- still be listable? It'd be interesting to leave the UK's most remote physical cache behind too -with no locals to look after it, it'd have to be maintained by the local NTS warden- but would this be possible given the islands' WHS status?

Providing the 3 organisations responsible for the island [National Trust for Scotland, Scottish National Heritage & The MOD] give permission for a event, then it would be Published. As for a cache there, as there is only someone in residence from April to September, maintenance would be a problem, so possibly No.

6.2k · January 2, 2007

Thanks Nick - I tried that Information@nts.org.uk address last year and haven't heard back from them. I'll try a phone number in the week. Cheers for those.

Research suggests a boat charter from Harris would be around £100 per person for 6 (less if more people could be attracted), leaving at dawn (very early at that time of year) and returning before sunset. This should give us 8-10 hours on the island, which is enough to explore a fair bit of it. Getting to Harris is a job in itself of course, but then this would be intended for the most hardcore of cache eventers

3.8k · January 3, 2007

Sadly I am working an early shift that weekend. I'm not having much luck with event dates this year?

This does look like a unique type of event I hope you get some sort of turnout, but even if I was available I don't think I could afford the £100+ just for what would really be a day out??

Your timings appear to conflict with Nick's on the sailing. I read sailing at dawn and returning before sunset, as somewhere within the region of 20 hours? (Presuming that returning before sunset means you are back on the mainland before it is dark?) If it takes the minimum time that Nick says of 8 hours each way that only leaves about 4 hours at the most on the island.

6.2k · January 3, 2007

Sadly I am working an early shift that weekend. I'm not having much luck with event dates this year?

That date is TBC - It needs to be a day that the NTS (etc) are happy with, so don't despair just yet. Anyway, it's a long time away yet. Perhaps you could get a change of shift between now and then?

This does look like a unique type of event I hope you get some sort of turnout, but even if I was available I don't think I could afford the £100+ just for what would really be a day out??

I think unique sums it up well. A once in a lifetime journey, even. Yes £100 is a lot (hopefully get it down a bit if we can get more people interested, and the boat's big enough to take a crowd, and the NTS are ok with more people...) but I'd hope it'd be a day long remembered. Anyway, it's only money

:D

Your timings appear to conflict with Nick's on the sailing. I read sailing at dawn and returning before sunset, as somewhere within the region of 20 hours? (Presuming that returning before sunset means you are back on the mainland before it is dark?) If it takes the minimum time that Nick says of 8 hours each way that only leaves about 4 hours at the most on the island.

According to the Kilda Cruises web site:

Day Trips to St Kilda - These are weather dependent, but will usually run from Leverburgh, Harris.

8am Depart Leverburgh, Harris

10.45am (Approx) Arrive St Kilda [2h, 45m]

Passengers are then free to explore the island at their leisure. Each passenger receives a map of Hirta detailing points of historical interest, and a suggested route to take for a tour on foot. The church, schoolroom and museum are available and well worth a visit to discover more about the unique way of life of the islanders. If passengers wish to, we will also tour the cliffs and coastline, including the towering stacs, around the islands on board the Orca, revealing the awe inspiring scale of the cliffs and the colonies of sea birds circling high above.

4.45pm Depart St Kilda

7.30pm (approx) Arrive at Leverburgh, Harris [2h, 45m]

2007 price for the trip - £140 per person [based on one person joining a group - We'd probably charter our own boat, or else strike a group rate deal]

To confirm your booking a deposit of £40 per person is required which will be refunded if we are unable to undertake the trip due to adverse weather, etc.

3.8k · January 3, 2007

Sadly I am working an early shift that weekend. I'm not having much luck with event dates this year?
That date is TBC - It needs to be a day that the NTS (etc) are happy with, so don't despair just yet. Anyway, it's a long time away yet. Perhaps you could get a change of shift between now and then?

We don't move shifts, we stay with the same cycle all year round. To get time off other than scheduled days off, I need to book lieu days. I must admit I get a fair crack at the whip with my work so I can't complain. Also because I have a young daughter I have to juggle time off to co-incide with my wife.

This does look like a unique type of event I hope you get some sort of turnout, but even if I was available I don't think I could afford the £100+ just for what would really be a day out??
I think unique sums it up well. A once in a lifetime journey, even. Yes £100 is a lot (hopefully get it down a bit if we can get more people interested, and the boat's big enough to take a crowd, and the NTS are ok with more people...) but I'd hope it'd be a day long remembered. Anyway, it's only money :D

Try telling that to my better half! I am sure that if you get the go ahead, it will turn out to be a day long remembered.

Your timings appear to conflict with Nick's on the sailing. I read sailing at dawn and returning before sunset, as somewhere within the region of 20 hours? (Presuming that returning before sunset means you are back on the mainland before it is dark?) If it takes the minimum time that Nick says of 8 hours each way that only leaves about 4 hours at the most on the island.
According to the Kilda Cruises web site:

Day Trips to St Kilda - These are weather dependent, but will usually run from Leverburgh, Harris.

8am Depart Leverburgh, Harris

10.45am (Approx) Arrive St Kilda [2h, 45m]

Passengers are then free to explore the island at their leisure. Each passenger receives a map of Hirta detailing points of historical interest, and a suggested route to take for a tour on foot. The church, schoolroom and museum are available and well worth a visit to discover more about the unique way of life of the islanders. If passengers wish to, we will also tour the cliffs and coastline, including the towering stacs, around the islands on board the Orca, revealing the awe inspiring scale of the cliffs and the colonies of sea birds circling high above.

4.45pm Depart St Kilda

7.30pm (approx) Arrive at Leverburgh, Harris [2h, 45m]

2007 price for the trip - £140 per person [based on one person joining a group - We'd probably charter our own boat, or else strike a group rate deal]

To confirm your booking a deposit of £40 per person is required which will be refunded if we are unable to undertake the trip due to adverse weather, etc.

That certainly clears that query up, and I suppose 6 hours is plenty of time to explore the area?

January 3, 2007

We have two caches on Scottish National Trust grounds. We phoned the Edinburgh contact but they said to get in contact with the individual wardens at the properties.

The wardens that we got permission through were great especially as the wooded areas are looked after by the Forestry in our area, and we'd already got permission from them for our very first cache.

However, there has been another cacher that spoke to the same wardens and he had quite a job to get final permission from them. I'm not sure what the problem was.

SP if you want i can forward the name of the contact that i have, but she is for the NE of Scotland.

3.1k · January 3, 2007

This is one of those is it fair / isn't it fair type of things.......

Events can only be listed if they are open to all to attend, and I would suggest that the "pricetag" on attending is pretty steep.

Yes, it IS a once in a lifetime thing, and one I'd love to do myself, but unfortunately, I'd not have the finances to justify that day out, and I earn a decent salary...

How can it therefore be an event if the very cost of the event prevent people attending?

6.2k · January 3, 2007

Ah, but then would you ban events in America, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Canada, Mexico, China, Chile, Russia, every country of Africa...? Any event beyond EasyJet's range is going to cost more than £100 to attend, yet I'm sure you'd not object to them being held. The same could be said for one more than £50 in petrol or public transport away from home. It could easily cost more than £100 for someone from Scotland to attend an event in Devon, for the round trip.

Anyway, the rules of St. Kilda are that anyone can visit with their own transport (see their web site -link above- for restrictions on bringing animals, and a reasonable request for notification) so no one would be 'made' to 'pay' to attend. If you've your own boat suitable to get there, you'd be very welcome to take it rather than help charter one. Indeed, if you know any cachers with the skills and equipment (a big enough ocean-going vessel!) to get a group there, I'd love to get in contact with them! :laughing:

Edited January 3, 2007 by Simply Paul

6.2k · January 3, 2007

Day Trips to St Kilda - These are weather dependent, but will usually run from Leverburgh, Harris. [i guess Nick's times represent a trip from further away. It'd be something like 14 hours from Oban, for example]

8am Depart Leverburgh, Harris

10.45am (Approx) Arrive St Kilda [2h, 45m]

<snip>

4.45pm Depart St Kilda

7.30pm (approx) Arrive at Leverburgh, Harris [2h, 45m]

That certainly clears that query up, and I suppose 6 hours is plenty of time to explore the area?

I'd regard six hours as a minimum. By chartering our own boat we'd be able to determine, so long as the skipper agrees it's safe, what times and where we go. By holding it so close to the longest day (June 21st) we'd have maximum daylight and maximum time on the island. With no food for non-work-group visitors there, and limited overnight facilities, I think a long day (10 hours would be ideal) would be the way to get the most out of the island and the trip.

3.8k · January 3, 2007

Edit to add a question for the Approvers: As a World Heritage Site, would a low-impact event -even ok'd by NTS- still be listable? It'd be interesting to leave the UK's most remote physical cache behind too -with no locals to look after it, it'd have to be maintained by the local NTS warden- but would this be possible given the islands' WHS status?

Providing the 3 organisations responsible for the island [National Trust for Scotland, Scottish National Heritage & The MOD] give permission for a event, then it would be Published. As for a cache there, as there is only someone in residence from April to September, maintenance would be a problem, so possibly No.

I can't see why any of the 3 organisations have to give permission for the event? It is quite obvious that you are allowed to travel to the island and explore, why should it make any difference that you are a group of Geocachers going to do what any other group of visitors would do? As for the cache I can understand that.

1.6k · January 3, 2007

Edit to add a question for the Approvers: As a World Heritage Site, would a low-impact event -even ok'd by NTS- still be listable? It'd be interesting to leave the UK's most remote physical cache behind too -with no locals to look after it, it'd have to be maintained by the local NTS warden- but would this be possible given the islands' WHS status?

Providing the 3 organisations responsible for the island [National Trust for Scotland, Scottish National Heritage & The MOD] give permission for a event, then it would be Published. As for a cache there, as there is only someone in residence from April to September, maintenance would be a problem, so possibly No.

I can't see why any of the 3 organisations have to give permission for the event? It is quite obvious that you are allowed to travel to the island and explore, why should it make any difference that you are a group of Geocachers going to do what any other group of visitors would do? As for the cache I can understand that.

One of Paul's original ideas [something that I'd had a advanced look at :laughing: Reviewer magic ] was for a CITO event on the island, hence the need for permission. If the event is just to visit the island, either this would have to be tagged on to a Event open to all taking place on the mainland, or he would have to request that one of the reviewers took it upstairs for Groundspeak's consideration

6.2k · January 3, 2007

Hummm. I thought [ ] Yes, this cache is currently active (Reviewers will not see this listing unless box is checked) meant that the reviewers (I thought you were approvers these days?) would not be able to see the listing unless the box was checked.

The CITO idea was one I was playing with as a way of 'selling' the idea of the event to the NTS. It could equally be just a straight event, with no beach-combing for seabird-unfriendly plastic waste.

I'm getting a little confused about the interpretation of the guidelines for events. I regarded getting the NTS's approval for an event a courtesy thing, hopefully leading to an agreement to leave a small physical cache there (as listings only HAVE to have a three month lifespan, the fact that the warden leaves in September shouldn't HAVE to be an issue?) but has HH says, there's nothing to stop anyone just popping over for a look, so long as they observe St. Kilda bylaws (listed on the NTS site, link above). Where would an event on the mainland come into it? I though current thinking was you couldn't 'link' events, so how would that work? And if the event HAD to be on the mainland, and the trip to the islands was a 'bit of a bonus', that'd rather dilute the whole idea. Anyway, by mainland do you mean Scotland, or would one of the bigger islands of the Outer Hebrides be ok...?

Edit - Thanks to helpful folk posting here I now have the name of the NTS's Western Isles Manager and a contact phone number. She's not back at her desk until next week though so I'll have to speak to her then.

Edited January 3, 2007 by Simply Paul

1.1k · January 3, 2007

I think it's a superb idea and if it's at all possible I'm going to attend - St Kilda has been on my list of places to visit for about 12 years, ever since I read a book about the islands. :laughing:

As an alternative to a physical container, couldn't the whole archipelago be classed as an Earthcache?

2.9k · January 3, 2007

I think it's a superb idea and if it's at all possible I'm going to attend - St Kilda has been on my list of places to visit for about 12 years, ever since I read a book about the islands.

As an alternative to a physical container, couldn't the whole archipelago be classed as an Earthcache?

Here's the learning aspect

St Kilda Quiz

6.2k · January 3, 2007

...As an alternative to a physical container, couldn't the whole archipelago be classed as an Earthcache?

Genius! The only problem is, as no one lives on the island all year, and the nearest local is 50 miles away, I might not be able to prove I could maintain an educational earthcache properly. I will look into this though, as I think it'd be a great compromise - a permanent cache on the island, which isn't a World Heritage Site 'unfriendly' physical. :laughing:

It'd be great to have you along Paul - It's been a place that's fascinated me from childhood (appox!) too. I know another Paul -Pyoung1s- will be in the 'general' area for his Three Peaks Challenge event and I hope he'll be keen to come too. I suspect he'll have some useful skills in such a remote and wild place.

3.8k · January 3, 2007

Genius! The only problem is, as no one lives on the island all year, and the nearest local is 50 miles away, I might not be able to prove I could maintain an educational earthcache properly.

As long as all aspects of your earthcache are permanent, such as the islands aren't going to disappear, and your educational question(s) is one that will never change through time, then there shouldn't be any need to prove you can maintain the cache, as it's impossible for it to change.

For the submission form, make sure that you give the NTS contacts details and that she knows about it. The two easiest caches to maintain that I have are my earthcaches, as once they are set up it's all done from home.

6.2k · January 3, 2007

Genius! The only problem is, as no one lives on the island all year, and the nearest local is 50 miles away, I might not be able to prove I could maintain an educational earthcache properly.
As long as all aspects of your earthcache are permanent, such as the islands aren't going to disappear, and your educational question(s) is one that will never change through time, then there shouldn't be any need to prove you can maintain the cache, as it's impossible for it to change.
For the submission form, make sure that you give the NTS contacts details and that she knows about it. The two easiest caches to maintain that I have are my earthcaches, as once they are set up it's all done from home.

Well, that's what you'd think, but this post by a reviewer gives a rather different story: Oct 8 2006, 08:18 PM...

Edit: 'an Approver' changed to 'a reviewer', as I was behind the times on official titles, but can see why reviewer is the one of choice.

Edited January 3, 2007 by Simply Paul

1.6k · January 3, 2007

First off we Review caches not Approve them [with all the legal implications that goes with the term]

Secondly I think that you'd find that the NT Wardens would cover the maintenance aspect of any Earth Cache there :laughing: , in fact I'd hazard a guess that they'd welcome the island becoming a Earth Cache.

As for Events if you organised a CITO event on the island, how any one attending Accessed the Island would not come into the review process, just that it was open to all who travelled to the Island to take part. If you organised a Event for the sole purpose of visiting the Island, as this then involves a commercial venture and restricted No's it would be considered a Commercial Solicitation which is not "Open to All". There was a event last year which had a boat trip to a Island attached to it, the actual event took place after the trip and was "Open to All". The main event could take place on one of the Islands as there is regular access to them via ferry and I believe shuttle planes, meaning that the Event could be "Open" to whoever wished to Attend [sorry Hazel the cost of Attending does not come in to the equation :laughing: ]

As for the

Hummm. I thought [ ] Yes, this cache is currently active (Reviewers will not see this listing unless box is checked) meant that the reviewers (I thought you were approvers these days?) would not be able to see the listing unless the box was checked.

This refers to the cache page coming into the Reviewer Queue. One of your posts mentioned before it was edited a mention of a low impact event, possibly a CITO Event

6.2k · January 3, 2007

Let me get this straight, as I'm still a little confused.

A CITO event, open to all, with NTS approval, on St Kilda would be ok, but a 'traditional' event would be a solicitation because of the cost of getting to the island? Either way it'd be open to all as *I'd* not be turning anyone away, and there are numerous ways of getting there. There's even a regular monthly service to it - but that sails from Oslo :laughing: There's no 'binding' commercial aspect to the proposed event, as it costs nothing to land on the island.

When you say 'The main event (the only 'GC approved' event) could take place on one of the islands', I assume you don't mean on of the islands of St Kilda, but rather Harris, or another of the Outer Hebrides. That would render the whole thing rather irrelevant, as it's introducing caching and cachers to St Kilda, and vice versa that I'm interested in. :laughing:

Good to know an Earthcache with educational value shouldn't be a problem. Where can I find guidelines as to what makes an educational one, and what doesn't? Presumably I'd be expected to visit the location and have NTS (as owners of the island) approval before being able to submit an earth cache? And the fact that there's only people on the island for 6 months a year wouldn't be an issue for maintenance?

I'd only mentioned a possible CITO aspect on the cache page before you referred to it on this thread, so I don't know where else you'd have gleamed that information.

1.1k · January 3, 2007

The one thing that mystifies me about Earthcaches - why does an Earthcache need to be maintained?

I have a location (another Scottish island out of interest) that I would love to make into an Earthcache, but the issue of maintenance has prevented me from taking it any further - at the risk of being dim, would someone please explain why I need to be within maintenance distance of a huge lump of rock in the middle of the sea? :unsure:

I visited last year and I know it would be a stunning place for people to visit...

1.6k · January 3, 2007

How anyone travels to a event does not come into the review process, but when the implication is that Transport is being chartered as part of the Event as how I read your initial posts . This is covered under the guidelines.

To find out about the Educational requirements for Earthcaches visit Earthcache.org or contact the Earthcache Reviewers, who will be more than willing to help out [Earthcaches, have their own Reviewers who are separate from the GC Reviewers]

Even Earthcaches require maintenance by the owner, to insure that there is Access to the location [even Open Access areas can be closed for extended periods with the appropriate permission], that the feature still exists [do a search on SSSI's being completly or partially damaged by the Landowner]. And also one of the requirements for a Earthcache to be listed is Landowner permission. When Groundspeak allowed Earthcaches back on to GC, they stated that they would be monitoring them. If large No's are listed, were the owner is considered to have abandoned them [as happened with Virtual caches] they can always remove them from GC again, something which a large No would not wish to see happen

6.2k · January 3, 2007

Sorry to be a pain, but I do need a little more clarification. Otherwise I might be bothering a nice lady at the NTS, and hopefully getting her ok, only to have the various cache ideas rejected by GC as unlistable. That'd be a waste of everyone's time!

How anyone travels to a event does not come into the review process, but when the implication is that Transport is being chartered as part of the Event as how I read your initial posts . This is covered under the guidelines.

Not as part of the event, but as a way to get to the event. I believe ganging together with other cachers would be the cheapest, best way of getting there, but there would be other ways. As there's no rules about landing on the island (other than no dogs, no rats...) no one would be obliged to get there on a chartered boat. I don't see what difference a CITO or Classic Event would make either - They'd both need people to visit the island. If 'paying to get there' is the crux (rather than how one gets there), does this mean an event on the Isle of Wight would have a similar problem getting approved?

To find out about the Educational requirements for Earthcaches visit Earthcache.org or contact the Earthcache Reviewers, who will be more than willing to help out [Earthcaches, have their own Reviewers who are separate from the GC Reviewers]

Thanks for that - I will investigate further.

Even Earthcaches require maintenance by the owner, to insure that there is Access to the location [even Open Access areas can be closed for extended periods with the appropriate permission], that the feature still exists [do a search on SSSI's being completly or partially damaged by the Landowner]. And also one of the requirements for a Earthcache to be listed is Landowner permission. When Groundspeak allowed Earthcaches back on to GC, they stated that they would be monitoring them. If large No's are listed, were the owner is considered to have abandoned them [as happened with Virtual caches] they can always remove them from GC again, something which a large No would not wish to see happen.

i) Specifically the owner of the cache to perform maintenance? ii) What if the Earthcache feature was visible from the sea? - This is rarely closed. iii) If the NTS ranger was ok as a designated guardian, what would be a reasonable length of time between inspections be? As the island isn't lived on from September to April, it is possible something might change over the winter. Also, there's a question of communication off the island. I've no idea if there's a phoneline/email or a mobile cell, so they may struggle to inform me of a problem. :unsure:

Edited January 3, 2007 by Simply Paul

January 3, 2007

How anyone travels to a event does not come into the review process, but when the implication is that Transport is being chartered as part of the Event as how I read your initial posts . This is covered under the guidelines.

Maybe Im misunderstanding this, but if there are services run to the island as Paul says, then how can chartering your own transport make the event a no go?

Its a bit like saying "I would have approved your event at the pub, but I heard you and a few mates planned to share a taxi there"

1.6k · January 3, 2007

How anyone travels to a event does not come into the review process, but when the implication is that Transport is being chartered as part of the Event as how I read your initial posts . This is covered under the guidelines.

Maybe Im misunderstanding this, but if there are services run to the island as Paul says, then how can chartering your own transport make the event a no go?

Its a bit like saying "I would have approved your event at the pub, but I heard you and a few mates planned to share a taxi there"

the important part of the the quote is

when the implication is that Transport is being chartered as part of the Event

Which would make it a Commercial Event. As has already been stated, transport to and from a event does not come into the review process, unless it it being listed as part of the event. I hope this clears up the confusion.

And just to reiterate, we do not "Approve" caches and Events, but "Review" them for Publication.

6.2k · January 10, 2007

Good news! I've spoken to the NTS's Western Isles Manager and she'd seen the email I sent in mid December. She's spoken to a colleague who's up on caching, and has no objection in principle to an organised group of cachers visiting the island. Reasonably, she has some concerns about the placing of a physical cache and is going to send me an email of conditions, but the discussion with her suggests a bit of care over location, size and contents and a chat to the warden should see one acceptable.

Thanks to Lactodorum and the rest of the reviewing team for their help with getting an acceptable format for the event together. Although it's more than three months away, I hope the 'unusually demanding' nature of the event may see it listed sooner to give those interested in attending the maximum opportunity to get organised ahead of it.

The provisional date is now Saturday June 23rd as Sunday is the wardens day off :laughing:

Edit: More good news! The cache event is listed here: The UK's Most Remote Caching Event (St. Kilda) - Thanks to Deceangi for the very quick service!

Edited January 10, 2007 by Simply Paul

3.8k · January 10, 2007

Best of luck with the event Paul, I am working that weekend, but the cost would have been to much for me anyway. :laughing:

January 10, 2007

Well done for getting everything sorted out so speedily! What an exciting idea!

I'm interested but would need some more details about the cost and timings.

PS A big bold line on the cache page stating the date of the event might help as it's not immediately obvious and it was some years into caching before I realised that the 'date published' was actually the event date.

6.2k · January 10, 2007

Thanks FoF - I need to speak to some more people before I can confirm the date (and charter price for those who want to go from Harris. Other routes are available) which is why it's not highlighted on the page yet. I'd like to avoid a day that clashes with lots of other visitors to the islands. Apparently some cruise boats can drop 200 people there in a day! And only one toilet!!

If anyone who's interested adds the event to their watch list, I'll keep everyone informed as to developments via notes there.

3.8k · January 11, 2007

Would the trigpoint be classed as the remotest in the UK?

6.2k · January 11, 2007

So long as the islands are a part of the UK (they're a part of the British Isles, but the UK status is proving harder to confirm!) then I imagine so. Odd having one there at all as they rely on line-of-sight, and the nearest one must be 40+ miles away, around the curve of the Earth.

Edit: According to the TrigpointingUK site the next nearest one is 63.9Km away on Monarch Island. This map on the same site makes it even clearer! If we can get to the trig safely I think it'd be well worth a look. A trip for hadrcore Triggers too then

Edited January 11, 2007 by Simply Paul

6.2k · January 12, 2007

I've started a fresh thread about this event here so would a mod please lock this thread. Thanks. Also thanks to all who contributed.

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