premium caches..

[+team lagonda]

generaly,,how many new caches do you gain by getting a primium membership..seems to me it would be a good idea for travel bugs whoes mission is to only go into primium caches as far as travel bug mortality is concerned is to go into primium caches..

Edited December 10, 2006 by team lagonda

[+Anonymous']

There aren't too many premium member only caches but there are a lot of other features you get by being a premium member.

[+The Cheeseheads]

I live in a fairly cache-dense area, (Milwaukee to Chicago corridor) and I've only come across one MO cache in almost five years. They're pretty sparse.

[Mr.Yuck]

I live in a fairly cache-dense area, (Milwaukee to Chicago corridor) and I've only come across one MO cache in almost five years. They're pretty sparse.

 

There are tons of MO caches in my area. I have no freaking idea why, must be a regional thing, and a "monkey-see, monkey-do" thing. But forget that. There are many, many features available to premium members only. Instant notification of new caches, ignore lists, bookmark lists, and most importantly, Pocket Queries, which are awesome. If I was really motivated, I could look up the page on the geocaching.com website that tells you all the benefits, but I'm sure someone else will do that.

[+Airmapper]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

[+welch]

generaly,,how many new caches do you gain by getting a primium membership..

A quick check says PA has 231 MOCs / 7239 total gc.com listed & active caches =.032 or 3.2%

I think a 1-2 percent is pretty common, of course if you happen to live/cache near someone that places nothing but MOC your percent will go up.

That would be something interesting to figure out. Quick checks of a couple other states are IA (24/2367) 1.01%, IL (43/4690) .91%, OH (26/6513).39%

[Mushtang]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

I don't think it was intended to keep caches safe from muggles (people that don't know what geocaching is), but to keep caches safe from cache pirates (jerks that log on, get coords, and destroy caches, but are too cheap to pay and make ALL the local caches available since so many are available for free).

 

Not a tool to annoy non-members, but a tool to help members.

[+stoneswivel]

A quick check says PA has 231 MOCs / 7239 total gc.com listed & active caches =.032 or 3.2%

I think a 1-2 percent is pretty common, of course if you happen to live/cache near someone that places nothing but MOC your percent will go up.

That would be something interesting to figure out. Quick checks of a couple other states are IA (24/2367) 1.01%, IL (43/4690) .91%, OH (26/6513).39%

Add TX at 361/16274 (2.2%). Wonder which states/countries bring up the average?

[+Kit Fox]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

I don't think it was intended to keep caches safe from muggles (people that don't know what geocaching is), but to keep caches safe from cache pirates (jerks that log on, get coords, and destroy caches, but are too cheap to pay and make ALL the local caches available since so many are available for free).

 

Not a tool to annoy non-members, but a tool to help members.

 

One point I learned about PMOCs is that the audit log is useless to spot cache pirates, when the caches are traditional caches. Using a PQ, and a program like GSAK, pirates would never have to actually visit the cache page to derive coordinates.

 

All of my PMOCs caches are safe from muggles because they have combinations of outstanding camo, and remote locations.

 

They are a great option for offending Socialist Cachers, who always cry "elitism."

[Mushtang]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

I don't think it was intended to keep caches safe from muggles (people that don't know what geocaching is), but to keep caches safe from cache pirates (jerks that log on, get coords, and destroy caches, but are too cheap to pay and make ALL the local caches available since so many are available for free).

 

Not a tool to annoy non-members, but a tool to help members.

 

One point I learned about PMOCs is that the audit log is useless to spot cache pirates, when the caches are traditional caches. Using a PQ, and a program like GSAK, pirates would never have to actually visit the cache page to derive coordinates.

 

All of my PMOCs caches are safe from muggles because they have combinations of outstanding camo, and remote locations.

 

They are a great option for offending Socialist Cachers, who always cry "elitism."

True, the audit logs are useless.

 

My point, however, is that getting the coordinates of a MOC requires a pirate to pay money. This isn't a sure thing, but it sure makes the pirates go an extra step. Why would they pay money and get the coords for MOC when they can get so many others for free?

[+Vinny & Sue Team]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

I don't think it was intended to keep caches safe from muggles (people that don't know what geocaching is), but to keep caches safe from cache pirates (jerks that log on, get coords, and destroy caches, but are too cheap to pay and make ALL the local caches available since so many are available for free).

 

Not a tool to annoy non-members, but a tool to help members.

I agree. Simply one more tool to help discourage the wrong people from finding a cache, while at the same time rewarding Premium members for supporitng the site.

 

Oh, and the audit logs are much fun to browse! Although... they also point up bizarre anomalies: I never have figured out why our Psycho Urban Cache #13 - Impossible suddenly became insanely popular among French-speaking geocachers in cities of Eastern Canada for a week, nor why and how it became a fad among cachers in Sweden for two weeks.

Edited December 10, 2006 by Vinny & Sue Team

[+Kit Fox]

True, the audit logs are useless.

 

My point, however, is that getting the coordinates of a MOC requires a pirate to pay money. This isn't a sure thing, but it sure makes the pirates go an extra step. Why would they pay money and get the coords for MOC when they can get so many others for free?

 

In some areas, the cache pirate is in fact a Premium Member, and they do pillage PMOCs. In most cases though, the extra effort to pay money, turns them off. I make mine safe by placing them in areas requiring real effort to get to, or a real "brain buster" of a puzzle.

[+nekom]

There are only a handful in the Pittsburgh area, I have yet to visit one. It's the pocket queries and google earth kml that make the premium membership worth it to me.

[+budd-rdc]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

That used to be true, when people could look up the coordinates of the cache page without signing in.

 

Audit logs are more useful for seeing who's showing interest, instead of preventing cache vandalism. Otherwise, Premium Member Only caches are for restricting access, at least that's how I see it and use it.

[Mushtang]

True, the audit logs are useless.

 

My point, however, is that getting the coordinates of a MOC requires a pirate to pay money. This isn't a sure thing, but it sure makes the pirates go an extra step. Why would they pay money and get the coords for MOC when they can get so many others for free?

 

In some areas, the cache pirate is in fact a Premium Member, and they do pillage PMOCs. In most cases though, the extra effort to pay money, turns them off. I make mine safe by placing them in areas requiring real effort to get to, or a real "brain buster" of a puzzle.

 

Good point.

[+Airmapper]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

That used to be true, when people could look up the coordinates of the cache page without signing in.

 

I'm thinking recently, as in the last time this topic was drug up one or two people suggested that making their cache a PMOC would keep it safer from muggles, even though otherwise it was a ordinary cache. What I'm hinting at is that some people really don't have any useful or reasonable motive behind making a cache PMOC, more or less "just because they can."

 

Audit logs are more useful for seeing who's showing interest, instead of preventing cache vandalism. Otherwise, Premium Member Only caches are for restricting access, at least that's how I see it and use it.

 

I agree, why make it into something it's not. If you make a cache PMOC that means you do not want any non paying PM cachers to visit and enjoy it.

[+Geoaddict]

When I put together my first cache series, I decided to make them PMO caches for the first two weeks after they were published. It was intended to give cachers who go the extra step to support the sport first crack at the caches including the FTF. After two weeks, I listed them open them to all cachers.

[+Turtlebug]

Never understood the idea of MO caches. I subscribe mostly to support Geocaching and for the notifications.

[Mr.Yuck]

A quick check says PA has 231 MOCs / 7239 total gc.com listed & active caches =.032 or 3.2%

I think a 1-2 percent is pretty common, of course if you happen to live/cache near someone that places nothing but MOC your percent will go up.

That would be something interesting to figure out. Quick checks of a couple other states are IA (24/2367) 1.01%, IL (43/4690) .91%, OH (26/6513).39%

Add TX at 361/16274 (2.2%). Wonder which states/countries bring up the average?

 

Here's a number that will knock your socks off. First 200 out from zip code 14225: 40/200. MOC's = 20%!!! And there ain't no cache pirate in town, either.

 

Speaking of which, echoing what others have said, I have seen the MOC designation used in many areas in an attempt to combat cache piracy.

[+welch]

A quick check says PA has 231 MOCs / 7239 total gc.com listed & active caches =.032 or 3.2%

I think a 1-2 percent is pretty common, of course if you happen to live/cache near someone that places nothing but MOC your percent will go up.

That would be something interesting to figure out. Quick checks of a couple other states are IA (24/2367) 1.01%, IL (43/4690) .91%, OH (26/6513).39%

Add TX at 361/16274 (2.2%). Wonder which states/countries bring up the average?

 

Here's a number that will knock your socks off. First 200 out from zip code 14225: 40/200. MOC's = 20%!!! And there ain't no cache pirate in town, either.

The overall percent for NY is 2.6% (196/7544), Some of the hiders around Buffalo must really like MOC?

[Mr.Yuck]

A quick check says PA has 231 MOCs / 7239 total gc.com listed & active caches =.032 or 3.2%

I think a 1-2 percent is pretty common, of course if you happen to live/cache near someone that places nothing but MOC your percent will go up.

That would be something interesting to figure out. Quick checks of a couple other states are IA (24/2367) 1.01%, IL (43/4690) .91%, OH (26/6513).39%

Add TX at 361/16274 (2.2%). Wonder which states/countries bring up the average?

 

Here's a number that will knock your socks off. First 200 out from zip code 14225: 40/200. MOC's = 20%!!! And there ain't no cache pirate in town, either.

The overall percent for NY is 2.6% (196/7544), Some of the hiders around Buffalo must really like MOC?

 

Ya' want to find a cache there, you have to pay the frog. Simple as that.

 

Here's the page showing all the benefits to a premium membership that I thought someone would link to, but I haven't seen yet, unless I missed it:

 

Geocaching.com premium memberships

[+Kit Fox]

PMOC's are pretty much a tool to annoy non members.

 

I have yet to understand why some people think making a cache a PM only "keeps it safer from muggles."

That used to be true, when people could look up the coordinates of the cache page without signing in.

 

I'm thinking recently, as in the last time this topic was drug up one or two people suggested that making their cache a PMOC would keep it safer from muggles, even though otherwise it was a ordinary cache. What I'm hinting at is that some people really don't have any useful or reasonable motive behind making a cache PMOC, more or less "just because they can."

 

Audit logs are more useful for seeing who's showing interest, instead of preventing cache vandalism. Otherwise, Premium Member Only caches are for restricting access, at least that's how I see it and use it.

 

I agree, why make it into something it's not. If you make a cache PMOC that means you do not want any non paying PM cachers to visit and enjoy it.

 

You can happily beat this already "dead horse" :

 

Subscription Only Caches--grrrrrrrrrr!

 

Member Only Caches, Should I or shouldn't I?

 

Caches for Premium members only

 

Members only caches

[+Airmapper]

Getting Deja Vu?

 

Want some more?

 

From 2002: (and it was generating then.) "members only" caches rant

 

And more since:

The First "no Members" Cache

 

Change Moc Suggestion, need only normal account to view

 

Northeast Premium Member Only Caches, What are your thoughts?

 

When To Hide A Premium Member Cache, What is the culture of Member Only cache

 

Members Only Cache Hides, Members Only Cache Hides

 

Members Only, Premium Member Cache

 

And from across the pond

Members Only Caches, Is there a point anymore ?

 

Edit to fix link.

Edited December 11, 2006 by Airmapper

[+welch]

A quick check says PA has 231 MOCs / 7239 total gc.com listed & active caches =.032 or 3.2%

I think a 1-2 percent is pretty common, of course if you happen to live/cache near someone that places nothing but MOC your percent will go up.

That would be something interesting to figure out. Quick checks of a couple other states are IA (24/2367) 1.01%, IL (43/4690) .91%, OH (26/6513).39%

Add TX at 361/16274 (2.2%). Wonder which states/countries bring up the average?

 

Here's a number that will knock your socks off. First 200 out from zip code 14225: 40/200. MOC's = 20%!!! And there ain't no cache pirate in town, either.

The overall percent for NY is 2.6% (196/7544), Some of the hiders around Buffalo must really like MOC?

 

Ya' want to find a cache there, you have to pay the frog. Simple as that.

 

Here's the page showing all the benefits to a premium membership that I thought someone would link to, but I haven't seen yet, unless I missed it:

 

Geocaching.com premium memberships

 

If you were soliciting for anything else your link would probably get removed