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Mission 7: Crab Creek (Project APE) --- RIP


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I know this is going to be unpopular, but from reading the cache description it seems that the original A.P.E cache was stolen. Therefore in my opinion, replacing the cache with another container (even though identical) does not make it an A.P.E cache, just a replica, or at best a memorial A.P.E cache.

 

El Diablo

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Its a big time bummer. I don't think the loss of the container should matter. Nobody said a thing when the cache was moved from its original location previously. If you want to get technical, it was no longer an A.P.E. cache the moment it was moved to a new location.

 

I don't think the location is as important as to the original container. If it's an original container to me it wouldn't matter where it was placed.

 

El Diablo

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Its a big time bummer. I don't think the loss of the container should matter. Nobody said a thing when the cache was moved from its original location previously. If you want to get technical, it was no longer an A.P.E. cache the moment it was moved to a new location.

 

I don't think the location is as important as to the original container. If it's an original container to me it wouldn't matter where it was placed.

 

El Diablo

 

The original stash and the cache placed 76 feet away in 2000 are both not original containers... should we archive those too?

It was a poor location for a cache to begin with so I guess it was inevitable, but someone stealing it. How sad.

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Its a big time bummer. I don't think the loss of the container should matter. Nobody said a thing when the cache was moved from its original location previously. If you want to get technical, it was no longer an A.P.E. cache the moment it was moved to a new location.

 

I don't think the location is as important as to the original container. If it's an original container to me it wouldn't matter where it was placed.

 

El Diablo

 

The original stash and the cache placed 76 feet away in 2000 are both not original containers... should we archive those too?

It was a poor location for a cache to begin with so I guess it was inevitable, but someone stealing it. How sad.

 

No...it's still a cache, just not a n A.P.E cache. I also agree with you that it's sad that someone would steal these caches.

 

El Diablo

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There's another discussion of this topic here in the Northeast forums.

 

But its one of general interest.

 

If the original container was eventually replaced during routine maintenance, would the people here who feel that its not an A.P.E. cache without the original container be in favor of its archival?

 

The fact is that the cache was no longer in its original location, the promotional materials were long gone and the original logbook was no longer in it. So from a physical standpoint it was no longer an A.P.E. cache a long time ago.

 

As a poster in a related thread stated, the A.P.E. caches transcend their physical components. They are more than a logbook and a very big ammo box. They are a phenomenon in the geocaching world. People plan vacations around them, geocachers team up for road trips to log them, some people travel hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles to log them. I remember one geocacher who was visiting NYC who rented a car and drove the 8 round trip hours just to log one A.P.E. cache. It is a shame to lose this.

 

I wish that the owners weren't so quick to archive the MD cache with so little input from the community. There was no harm in keeping it disabled while this was hashed out, but now that its archived there is no going back

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MAN, that stinks... I just don't get why this type of cache can't be kept alive, the icons are already out there!

 

Hey joefrog! I remember finding one of your coins and a joefrog marshmallow gun in this cache! The kids still LOVe that thing! Lots o' fun!

 

Getting back to the matter at hand I find it unusual that TPTB still haven't weighed in officially on these caches. What is the official Groundspeak policy on replacing containers/logbooks/locations of caches?

 

Currently:

 

1:You ARE allowed to replace containers that are a poor choice/leak/cracked/animal muggled/destroyed by car tires(YES, this has happened to me!) without archiving the cache.

 

2:You ARE allowed to periodically/REQUIRED to replace full/moldy/damp/animal muggled logsheets/strips/books without archiving the cache.

 

3:Geocaching.com DOES allow for slight variance or moving of a cache container via the change coordinates log without archiving the cache.

 

4:SWAG occasionally needs to be switched out (due to geo litter, dampness, etc.) without archiving the cache.

 

What happened if you needed to do all of the above all at once? Questions for thought. What say you?

 

Larry (lpyf)

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