Is it still a trade only coin if you sell a couple on ...

[+Team Sand Dollar]

I thought about this a bunch when I produced the new Team Sand Dollar V2 geocoin.

 

Since I trade fairly freely and as such cachers will get more than one of my coin just in different metal I know my coins will end up on that E-place. This is a fact and there is nothing I can do about it.

 

With this in mind is it wrong for me to sell a few there to beat though that are only interested in making a profit off my coin.

 

Also if it is ok, how many is a few; 1,2,3 of each metal.

 

Team Sand Dollar

Edited September 5, 2006 by Team Sand Dollar

[+Team JSAM]

Its your coin do what you want, some will say that if YOU sell it, it will lessen the trade value.

[glennk721]

My take on this is if you sell it with a "Buy It Now" and not auction then perhaps ok,, If you auction them you are doing what other folks may do with your coins, I know I won't break up my set ever !! If you have a set price that will undercut them, its a differant story,,

 

Then again it also makes it not a trade only coin from you

 

My 2 cents, Glenn

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

This will get you in extremely hot water with Groundspeak.

 

Yoru coin was promtoed and listed in another thread as TRADE ONLY and is not-trackable on this site.

 

Selling them on eBay now violates the posting guidelines of these forums.

 

Don't shoot the messenger

[+Marky]

I was aware of this rule, however I would like clarification on what constitutes "promoting". Let's say I post to the geocoin trading thread with no links off site:

 

Seeking:

Alien geocoin

 

Available:

M&J summer 2006

 

Would that be considered promoting our M&J summer 2006 geocoin? (i.e. we could never sell our summer 2006 geocoin or we would be in hot water?)

 

--Marky

[+Mauison]

I thought about this a bunch when I produced the new Team Sand Dollar V2 geocoin.

 

Since I trade fairly freely and as such cachers will get more than one of my coin just in different metal I know my coins will end up on that E-place. This is a fact and there is nothing I can do about it.

 

With this in mind is it wrong for me to sell a few there to beat though that are only interested in making a profit off my coin.

 

Also if it is ok, how many is a few; 1,2,3 of each metal.

 

Team Sand Dollar

 

If you told those whom you traded with that it would be a trade-only coin, then I think it would be wrong to sell it on eBay, even to undercut those selling it. When you trade away multiples, even though in different metals, there's always the risk someone will sell them. That's what happened with mine but I'm fine with it.

[+Team Sand Dollar]

This will get you in extremely hot water with Groundspeak.

 

Yoru coin was promtoed and listed in another thread as TRADE ONLY and is not-trackable on this site.

 

Selling them on eBay now violates the posting guidelines of these forums.

 

Don't shoot the messenger

 

I know I pushed the envelope on this one but I really wanted to know what the felling were on this.

 

The coin was produced for trade and I have no intentions of selling these in bulk.

 

Now don't hold back and give me your true feeling on this subject matter.

 

Team Sand Dollar

[+Eartha]

You are announcing a sale the MIGHT happen for a non trackable, trade only, coin and as such I am closing this thread. It's not wrong for you to sell it on Ebay, it's just wrong for you to announce it here. And so this thread is closed.

[+Eartha]

After some communication from Team Sand Dollar, I understand the question a lot better. This was not about one particular coin on Ebay, it's a question looking more for the opinions of what people think about a trade only coin showing up on Ebay. And what makes a coin "trade only". Therefore, since no links were made and this is a good question, I am re-opening this thread.

 

What do you think constitutes a trade only coin?

 

Should it/could it ever be sold, or never be sold? That's our topic, let's hear our opinions, and pretend that no actual coins were ever mentioned.

[+geoSquid]

I think people should pay more attention to the coins in their own hands, and a lot less attention to the coins in other people's hands.

 

In simpler terms: if it really means that much to you that a coin you acquire by trade never be sold by anyone, least of all the maker, then perhaps coin collecting isn't the hobby for you.

[+ozymandiasism]

I think people should pay more attention to the coins in their own hands, and a lot less attention to the coins in other people's hands.

 

In simpler terms: if it really means that much to you that a coin you acquire by trade never be sold by anyone, least of all the maker, then perhaps coin collecting isn't the hobby for you.

 

Good point.

 

Regardless on how heavy you advertise a coin as trade-only, it WILL, sooner or later, be sold as a commodity. I would imagine the more you police on a particular coin, the more people would want to get their hands on it, and the higher the value the coin become.

[+geoSquid]

I think people should pay more attention to the coins in their own hands, and a lot less attention to the coins in other people's hands.

 

In simpler terms: if it really means that much to you that a coin you acquire by trade never be sold by anyone, least of all the maker, then perhaps coin collecting isn't the hobby for you.

 

Good point.

 

Regardless on how heavy you advertise a coin as trade-only, it WILL, sooner or later, be sold as a commodity. I would imagine the more you police on a particular coin, the more people would want to get their hands on it, and the higher the value the coin become.

 

I've oft wondered if that's what drives up the moun10bike coins? They're a nice coin, but honestly, there are plenty of coins just as nice out there and to be blunt, there are a number that are just plain better. But moun10bike polices his coins ruthlessly and I think that creates demand that otherwise simply wouldn't exist... like when you sneaked that cigarette out of your uncle's pack when he was visiting and had a smoke out behind the barn/shed/whatever. It's not the cigarette that was so great but the rush of doing something naughty or forbidden that made it feel and taste so good.

 

From that point of view, moun10bike should win awards for being a first-class marketeer!

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I was aware of this rule, however I would like clarification on what constitutes "promoting". Let's say I post to the geocoin trading thread with no links off site:

 

Seeking:

Alien geocoin

 

Available:

M&J summer 2006

 

Would that be considered promoting our M&J summer 2006 geocoin? (i.e. we could never sell our summer 2006 geocoin or we would be in hot water?)

 

--Marky

 

Marky, you're not being ignored. Let me get back to you (all) when I have a few minutes.

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

I was aware of this rule, however I would like clarification on what constitutes "promoting". Let's say I post to the geocoin trading thread with no links off site:

 

Seeking:

Alien geocoin

 

Available:

M&J summer 2006

 

Would that be considered promoting our M&J summer 2006 geocoin? (i.e. we could never sell our summer 2006 geocoin or we would be in hot water?)

 

--Marky

 

So, let's say it's like the Supreme Court used to say about pornography (no offense intended):

We'll know it when we see it .

 

In the scenario you described above, you should be fine. You offered a coin for trade, in an existing thread without promoting the fact that it was for sale. If you also had the coin for sale elsewhere, but did not promote it on these boards you should be OK.

 

Keep in mind that these guidelines are not black and white and there is no way to cover every possible scenario. Cases will be looked at individually, on thier own merits, to determine the actions and intents.

 

Keep in mind also that it's Groundspeak that has the final say and determines the recourse (a harsh word, I know) for violations.

 

If you, or anybody, has specific questions, feel free to contact myself or Eartha for clarification.

 

Is that as clear as pasta sauce?

[+welch]

...

 

What do you think constitutes a trade only coin?

 

Should it/could it ever be sold, or never be sold? That's our topic, let's hear our opinions, and pretend that no actual coins were ever mentioned.

Uh... isn't 'trade only' something that can apply only to the person that orginally had the coin minted? After the coins are traded CacherX has limited (if any), ability to stop people that end up with the coin from selling them. (Not that I like the idea of people using geocoins as some sort of investment program!!)

As for CacherX selling a 'trade only', I think they should do whatever they promised they would do. If they said a certain number would be made total, thats the number to make. If they said the coins were for trade only (by them) then they shouldn't sell them (even if this ends up helping the scalpers that sell coins on ebay).

[+Shop99er]

If you come along and say "My coin is for trade only" then that pretty much sums it up. If you sell even one, then it is obviously not a trade only coin.

 

It's like the difference between a Battleship and a Volkwagen. It's only ever going to be one or the other. It can not be both.

[+501_Gang]

If you come along and say "My coin is for trade only" then that pretty much sums it up. If you sell even one, then it is obviously not a trade only coin.

 

It's like the difference between a Battleship and a Volkwagen. It's only ever going to be one or the other. It can not be both.

 

Exactly how we feel.

 

If your promote your coin as a 'trade only coin' and sell them on ebay. Then you mislead the people that traded with you.

 

If someone else sells your coin, you can't really stop that. Just keep track of your numbered coins and who you traded with, figure out who sold it and put them on your black list for future trading reference.

[+Team Sand Dollar]

If you come along and say "My coin is for trade only" then that pretty much sums it up. If you sell even one, then it is obviously not a trade only coin.

 

It's like the difference between a Battleship and a Volkwagen. It's only ever going to be one or the other. It can not be both.

 

Exactly how we feel.

 

If your promote your coin as a 'trade only coin' and sell them on ebay. Then you mislead the people that traded with you.

 

If someone else sells your coin, you can't really stop that. Just keep track of your numbered coins and who you traded with, figure out who sold it and put them on your black list for future trading reference.

 

Coins are not that important that I will worry about someone else selling my coin and thinking I need to blacklist them. When coins get to this stage it will no longer be fun.

 

Although I do not think it is wrong to sell the first set of a Trade Only coin to reap the profits from the scalper I have removed the TSD V2 coins. I never intended to decieve anyone as to the nature of these coins and as such I will stay true to the term Trade Only. If I had wanted to decieve I would not have listed under my own handel

 

Now lets see how fast these end up being sold by someone else since I just made then more marketable. And don't worry I didn't record any numbers ... or did I.

 

Team Sand Dollar

[+ozymandiasism]

If you come along and say "My coin is for trade only" then that pretty much sums it up. If you sell even one, then it is obviously not a trade only coin.

 

It's like the difference between a Battleship and a Volkwagen. It's only ever going to be one or the other. It can not be both.

 

Exactly how we feel.

 

If your promote your coin as a 'trade only coin' and sell them on ebay. Then you mislead the people that traded with you.

 

If someone else sells your coin, you can't really stop that. Just keep track of your numbered coins and who you traded with, figure out who sold it and put them on your black list for future trading reference.

 

Coins are not that important that I will worry about someone else selling my coin and thinking I need to blacklist them. When coins get to this stage it will no longer be fun.

 

Although I do not think it is wrong to sell the first set of a Trade Only coin to reap the profits from the scalper I have removed the TSD V2 coins. I never intended to decieve anyone as to the nature of these coins and as such I will stay true to the term Trade Only. If I had wanted to decieve I would not have listed under my own handel

 

Now lets see how fast these end up being sold by someone else since I just made then more marketable. And don't worry I didn't record any numbers ... or did I.

 

Team Sand Dollar

 

For future reference, if you are considering selling a couple sets to cover costs or whatever for your trade only coins, just make it clearc on your first posting. Most people can apprecinate that. Choose the least favorite numebr set and sell away...