Browser Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I know Virtuals are a bit contentious and that when all's said and done, it's only a game, but... I have two Virtual caches on a Greek island and today received two e-mails claiming finds. The first cache is inside a castle and requires the seeker to enter and find a turret to gain the answer to a question, then e-mail the answer to me. The description advises that the castle is closed on Mondays. Claim 1 : Hi, we are currently in #######. Went to ##### but it was closed and we only had the hire car for the day...I am assuming the answer is #### as the is the the town, really enjoyed looking tround the town anuway and had a cold beer at The Kastro.. Let me know if we can log this as a find.. Cheers ###### The second cache is on the highest point of the island and requires the seeker to e-mail the date on the survey point there to claim a find. Claim 2 : Hi, sorry to bother you again, just wondering if I can log #### as well... We got to the parking spot but it was a scorching day and didn't want to take XXX & YYYY all the way up in the heat. I would have took the hire car up but for some reason my wife was against this.. Cheers ####### Now I'm not having a personal dig at anyone and I really don't want to point the finger (that's not the point of this post), But would any of you have allowed these claims ? Browser Quote Link to comment
SlytherinAlex Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I know Virtuals are a bit contentious and that when all's said and done, it's only a game, but... I have two Virtual caches on a Greek island and today received two e-mails claiming finds. The first cache is inside a castle and requires the seeker to enter and find a turret to gain the answer to a question, then e-mail the answer to me. The description advises that the castle is closed on Mondays. Claim 1 : Hi, we are currently in #######. Went to ##### but it was closed and we only had the hire car for the day...I am assuming the answer is #### as the is the the town, really enjoyed looking tround the town anuway and had a cold beer at The Kastro.. Let me know if we can log this as a find.. Cheers ###### The second cache is on the highest point of the island and requires the seeker to e-mail the date on the survey point there to claim a find. Claim 2 : Hi, sorry to bother you again, just wondering if I can log #### as well... We got to the parking spot but it was a scorching day and didn't want to take XXX & YYYY all the way up in the heat. I would have took the hire car up but for some reason my wife was against this.. Cheers ####### Now I'm not having a personal dig at anyone and I really don't want to point the finger (that's not the point of this post), But would any of you have allowed these claims ? Browser That's a simple one. No correct confirmation info = no find. a. Quote Link to comment
+walkergeoff and wife Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I know Virtuals are a bit contentious and that when all's said and done, it's only a game, but... I have two Virtual caches on a Greek island and today received two e-mails claiming finds. The first cache is inside a castle and requires the seeker to enter and find a turret to gain the answer to a question, then e-mail the answer to me. The description advises that the castle is closed on Mondays. Claim 1 : Hi, we are currently in #######. Went to ##### but it was closed and we only had the hire car for the day...I am assuming the answer is #### as the is the the town, really enjoyed looking tround the town anuway and had a cold beer at The Kastro.. Let me know if we can log this as a find.. Cheers ###### The second cache is on the highest point of the island and requires the seeker to e-mail the date on the survey point there to claim a find. Claim 2 : Hi, sorry to bother you again, just wondering if I can log #### as well... We got to the parking spot but it was a scorching day and didn't want to take XXX & YYYY all the way up in the heat. I would have took the hire car up but for some reason my wife was against this.. Cheers ####### Now I'm not having a personal dig at anyone and I really don't want to point the finger (that's not the point of this post), But would any of you have allowed these claims ? Browser That's a simple one. No correct confirmation info = no find. a. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment
+Jaz666 Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 On the first one; if they convinced me that there was no possible way for them to visit on any other day but Monday (say, they are on holiday but going home that day), I might be lenient and allow it - but I'd ask them to edit the log so others don't try it on. Quote Link to comment
+Cave Troll and Eeyore Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 If the correct answers as set down on the cache page are not properly answered, then the find cannot be logged, do this once and others will follow the example. Eeyore Quote Link to comment
lakeuk Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I wouldn't give the second one, but the first I'd be give if they've seen the castle even if it was from the outside and the reason you've put it there is the castle. Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Q. How close to log it? A. Close enough to get the required information. Neither claim is close enough to get that information. Not a find. G Quote Link to comment
+MartyBartfast Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 They didn't do the necessary, so shouldn't log the finds. If I had been the cacher I wouldn't have considered logging them as finds, although I would probably have logged them as a note or a DNF to record the fact that I had a go. Quote Link to comment
+The Bolas Heathens Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 (edited) I would not allow either as a find as they have not done what is asked. It's like someone saying they found the bush a cache is under but did not bother to retrieve the cache and sign the logbook. That's not a find. Edited August 8, 2006 by The Bolas Heathens Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 .snip ... although I would probably have logged them as a note or a DNF to record the fact that I had a go. Good idea, will try to remember it in case we find ourselves in such a situation! G Quote Link to comment
+Kitty Hawk Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 No, they should have planned their caching trips properly. Quote Link to comment
+sTeamTraen Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 I agree with everyone... but I'm glad I don't own a virtual. It must make the owner feel like a miserable sod to deny logs to people, even if their claims are clearly spurious. After all, if your significant other had dragged you off on holiday to a place with almost no caches (surely that couldn't be deliberate, could it), and the virtual was your only chance to get a new country on your list, you'd really really want it to be wllooed, wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment
+alma Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 no i definatly wouldnt allow it and i hope you dont Quote Link to comment
+Jango & Boba Fett Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 .... do this once and others will follow the example. Must agree on that, the whole point of a virtual is that you need to see and prove that you have actually seen the thing/information/..., otherwise I could sit here and trawl through a list of virtuals while googling in another window. As it says: A virtual cache is a cache that exists in a form of a location. Depending on the cache "hider," a virtual cache could be to answer a question about a location, an interesting spot, a task, etc. The reward for these caches is the location itself and sharing information about your visit. Because of the nature of these geocaches, you must actually visit the location and acquire the coordinates there before you can post. In addition, although many locations are interesting, a virtual cache should be out of the ordinary enough to warrant logging a visit. Quote Link to comment
+mongoose39uk Posted August 8, 2006 Share Posted August 8, 2006 Sorry but they haven't found either. However it is your cache and your choice! Cheers Tony Quote Link to comment
+Simply Paul Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Another nail in the coffin - I'd not allow either to be logged as a find. I might have let A go if I'd not had the not about it being closed on Mondays on the page. You did, so it's their own fault they had a wasted journey. At least in terms of finds. I own a Virtual too and hate being firm with people who've got the question/s wrong, but it has to be done. If you bend the rules that far today, tomorrow it'll be tupperware in the streets and anarchy! Quote Link to comment
nobby.nobbs Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 to play devils advocat. i'd let them. lifes too short, they went to the location and failed to get full fetails but at the end of the day they were at the place that you wanted them to go to. but then that's just my opinion. they are your caches so it's entirely up to you Quote Link to comment
+rutson Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Hmmm.... can see both sides of this one. I think if it was me, it would depend if they have been able to log any other caches whilst on holiday, assuming they haven't, I think I'd allow the first one providing they could post a photo showing them at the castle. As for the second, they haven't actually been to the point in question, so I don't think I would. Quote Link to comment
NickPick Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I'll add my thoughts - I'd let them have the first one, but that's 'cos I'm a bit of a softy when it comes to things like that (I'd like to have proof that they were at the castle though). I wouldn't allow the second though, as basically they haven't been there. Quote Link to comment
+Orchards Finest Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 We were at the castle in September 2004 but unfortunately six months before we started geocaching. We have plenty of pictures of us sans GPSr in the castle but it just wouldn't feel right to try and log a find on this one. Since the castle is visible from quite a distance perhaps allowing logs from people who drove past it might follow? Quote Link to comment
+Happy Humphrey Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 They were decent enough to send you a polite enquiry rather than actually logging a find. I'd politely invite them to log a DNF or Note for both: it's only a game, so it doesn't really matter whether they get a smiley or not. So they may as well submit the most suitable type of log - "Found it" doesn't really describe what they did. As they failed to supply the required proof of visit (good excuse or not), they'll surely appreciate that attempting to claim a find is just taking it all a bit too seriously! HH Quote Link to comment
+currykev Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 (edited) #1 YES..they had a go #2 NO..they couldn't be a*sed Edited August 9, 2006 by currykev Quote Link to comment
Browser Posted August 10, 2006 Author Share Posted August 10, 2006 Thanks to all who answered - I don't feel quite so heartless now From your replies I think that I may have asked the wrong question : Not "Would any of you have allowed these claims ?" but "How many of you would have claimed these caches under the same circumstances ?" Regards Browser Quote Link to comment
+Bear and Ragged Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Now thats a differant kettle of fish! If I've read your cache page correctly, If I was there, (I'd try not to go on the day it was closed!) and the castle was closed, I'd have a good look, and try to work out the answer, try an educated guess, email, and if it was wrong.. Never mind, had a go! Quote Link to comment
NickPick Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Well, with the first one, I'd also have a good look around, try and get as close as possible to the co-ords (That's why you've brought us to the virtual), and if I couldn't get the answer, I'd email asking if you could let me log it. With the second one, if I couldn't be bothered / didn't want to drag the kids up the hill in the heat, I wouldn't even dream of logging it - I'd post a note. Quote Link to comment
+Cave Troll and Eeyore Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Well, with the first one, I'd also have a good look around, try and get as close as possible to the co-ords (That's why you've brought us to the virtual), and if I couldn't get the answer, I'd email asking if you could let me log it. With the second one, if I couldn't be bothered / didn't want to drag the kids up the hill in the heat, I wouldn't even dream of logging it - I'd post a note. Yep , what he said Cave Troll Quote Link to comment
+The Hokesters Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Claim 1 : Hi, we are currently in #######. Went to ##### but it was closed and we only had the hire car for the day...I am assuming the answer is #### as the is the the town, really enjoyed looking tround the town anuway and had a cold beer at The Kastro.. Let me know if we can log this as a find.. EEK - didn't we do that exact same thing at THAT cache in 2004 or was it 2005 Quote Link to comment
Browser Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share Posted August 11, 2006 " EEK - didn't we do that exact same thing at THAT cache in 2004 or was it 2005 " Yes, you did. But at least you guessed the answer correctly so I let you claim it Quote Link to comment
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