# The 50 State Multi-cache

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So... if I were to start distributing 5-digit codes now, you could work with whatever I gave out later?

Actually, I have been working on this. Each cache would need roughly a 13 digit code if we are going to do the addition idea (add all the numbers up to get the final coords i.e. 370567808621345 = N 37 05.679 x W 086 21.345) That does seem to be the simplest idea so far.

Technically you could give out random 13 digit numbers to people in the interum, and once the final is established, you just use the final state caches to be placed to correct the final number. As I stated before, I am more than willing to take care of that part.

-bk

Edited by SG-MIN
Can someone please explain to me in laymans terms about the coordinate math chatter that is going on for this plan? I am curious as to how that is going to help us in placing our cache in the area that we are supposed to choose to represent this series. I have a tentative location already in mind that would be great and need to know if I get to choose the location or the math cords do. Just really confused at this point, so please help.

Also for alot of states placing a large cache in an area like say the Alamo, or at the state capitol building where there is alot of foot traffic, muggles and lack of cover for hiding is maybe not a great idea. There are chances that it be mistaken for a bomb or taken completely just the for heck of it. It seems to me that it would be better to place them in an area this is still representative of the state but not really in the main stream of things, or sort of off the beaten track some in smaller towns and still be accessible to the average joe or jane.

The math will only be on the final cache, not the 50 state caches. The caches will all be placed wherever the state cache placer wants them, even the final cache can be placed anywhere. I (or somebody else) will create a formula based on the numbers hidden in the first 50 caches that will give the final coords for the last cache.

Thank you I was so confused. Sometimes it's not the easiest thing to do following the conversation on here.

Quick and dirty: Sample 1

These will all adjust to fit into the space for descriptions on the cache page.

Suggestions or other ideas? I can code just about anything, but coming up with ideas is the hard part

THANKS!!! I love sample 3 if we could just center the top part. Anyone else?

What colors are we going to choose from? Maybe we could go with the college colors i.e. Louisiana is Purple and Gold. Or are we going to have them all the same colors?

Quick and dirty: Sample 1

These will all adjust to fit into the space for descriptions on the cache page.

Suggestions or other ideas? I can code just about anything, but coming up with ideas is the hard part

THANKS!!! I love sample 3 if we could just center the top part. Anyone else?

Agreed State colors would be good.

Or an image of the state flag.

Edited by Mystery Ink

Quick and dirty: Sample 1

These will all adjust to fit into the space for descriptions on the cache page.

Suggestions or other ideas? I can code just about anything, but coming up with ideas is the hard part

THANKS!!! I love sample 3 if we could just center the top part. Anyone else?

Agreed State colors would be good.

Or an image of the state flag.

Picture sample 3 with a flag at left. NICE!

oops - duplicate post -

Edited by Blue Power Ranger

I like those better than the ones I mapped out. The only thing I can think about to change is maybe change stuf your style/stylesheet to Washingtons state colors (Green & Gold) like this...

```<body>
<div style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;"><p style="background-color:#358608; font-size:2em; text-align:center; display:inline; position:relative;top:-50px; padding:50px;">Washington State<img src="45_med3.gif" alt="State Number X" style="padding-left:3em;margin-bottom:-50px"></p>
<div style="background-color:#eeda00;"><p>This is the official X State geocache for the Great XXXX Challenge series of caches.  <a href="">See the other caches in the series here</a>.</p>

<!-- Rest of the body here -->

</body>
```

That should make the red/pink part green and the purpleish part gold. This would make it the state colors. Unless Blue Power Ranger wants the state flag in the background in a transparent type way.

-Eric

Edited by Hillbilly-Rockstar

1. Or instead of having 13 digit clues to add you can use 2-3 digit answers that when added end up being the code for the lock on the cache container (a lot less chance for addition error).

2. For cache hiders unfomfortable with claiming theirs as a find there can be cache hidden by somebody (maybe BPR) that qualifies as their 50th cache.

3. I would be another willing participant to maintain/place a cache in PA.

4. I doubt I would ever get all 50 but would definately go out of my way when in a different state to get that cache.

1. Or instead of having 13 digit clues to add you can use 2-3 digit answers that when added end up being the code for the lock on the cache container (a lot less chance for addition error).

If you spent the \$2000 plus dollars to find all the caches, went through the hassle to take pictures at every site, and were willing to travel again to grab the final cache, don't you think they would double check their elementary math? I know I would.

Plus, if a participant does visit all 50, and somehow wrote down the wrong number, wouldn't it make sence to double check your answer with the cache owner before you searched for it.

If a person had a picture at each cache, but for some reason didn't get the right coordinates, I would hope there would be enough grace to somehow get them the coords they needed.

The scope of this project is huge, people must be willing to put in a little effort.

One suggestion I'd make (and will probably get flack for) is that all of the caches in this experiment be hidden with EXPLICIT PERMISSION from whatever land managers are involved, in order to ensure a long, uninterrupted cache life. Seems that caches with only implicit permission (or less that that, even) don't tend to last very long.

I'd like to see all the hiders be required to get prior approval from the respective land managers, otherwise this whole project will be riddled with problems, caches moving or being pulled/archived, etc. It would not be cool to fly halfway across the country just to nab one of these caches, only to find it was placed without permission and then archived, pulled or picked up.

One suggestion I'd make (and will probably get flack for) is that all of the caches in this experiment be hidden with EXPLICIT PERMISSION from whatever land managers are involved, in order to ensure a long, uninterrupted cache life. Seems that caches with only implicit permission (or less that that, even) don't tend to last very long.

I'd like to see all the hiders be required to get prior approval from the respective land managers, otherwise this whole project will be riddled with problems, caches moving or being pulled/archived, etc. It would not be cool to fly halfway across the country just to nab one of these caches, only to find it was placed without permission and then archived, pulled or picked up.

Since the hiders are volunteers, there is little we can do to "require" it but I will make sure when we start deploying the caches that I emphasize the importance of permission as you stated. Longevity will be key.

What colors are we going to choose from? Maybe we could go with the college colors i.e. Louisiana is Purple and Gold. Or are we going to have them all the same colors?

I wouldn't mind having different colors for each state. I was having trouble doing a red/white/blue without being too bright.

I'm not sure what colors to use though.. I wouldn't want to pick college colors because that doesn't really represent the state, just one college. Might especially be bad if a cache was hidden near the rival school

I'll have a look at the state flags, maybe we can pull colors from those as well as use them as graphics somehow.

Good thinking all

Edit: ugh, state flags aren't terribly lovely - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_U.S._states

Edited by GeoGilly

This is a great idea....put me down for Oklahoma....can the people who are maintaining the caches just find 49---so that they can log the finds? Also, should we all send something from our state for the final cache?

I didn't see that someone had already taken oklahoma....I will watch for this listing.....This is a great idea.

Edited by mellisarock

Why not try this one - a round the world adventure.

If someone would be kind enough to show me how to turn this into a hyperlink, I can then amend this and look more proffesional-like. Well, perhaps

Why not try this one - a round the world adventure.

If someone would be kind enough to show me how to turn this into a hyperlink, I can then amend this and look more proffesional-like. Well, perhaps

been wanting to do that one.

Although you don't get 50 smilies for doing that one.

1. Or instead of having 13 digit clues to add you can use 2-3 digit answers that when added end up being the code for the lock on the cache container (a lot less chance for addition error).

Locks can be bypassed SO easily (combinations figured out, locks picked, etc), but a 13 digit number you need in order to get the final coords is more likely to keep someone from finding the final before getting the other 50.

The harder it is for someone to get it the wrong way the better. There are a LOT of people that think once you sign the log then it's a legitimate find, regardless of any other restrictions the OWNER puts on it.

I'd hate for this one to get started and then archived in a few months because someone found the cache, figured out the combination, signed the log, tried to claim FTF. And then after their Find was deleted they raised such a stink about it in the forums that a moderator/reviewer ends up archiving it. It's happened before (ask Team 360).

If you still need Colorado, I'll step up and do it.

What colors are we going to choose from? Maybe we could go with the college colors i.e. Louisiana is Purple and Gold. Or are we going to have them all the same colors?

I wouldn't mind having different colors for each state. I was having trouble doing a red/white/blue without being too bright.

I'm not sure what colors to use though.. I wouldn't want to pick college colors because that doesn't really represent the state, just one college. Might especially be bad if a cache was hidden near the rival school

I'll have a look at the state flags, maybe we can pull colors from those as well as use them as graphics somehow.

Good thinking all

Edit: ugh, state flags aren't terribly lovely - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_U.S._states

No the state flags really weren't designed or chosen for beauty in mind, Arizona beeing the exception, I don't think. I think if we go with the state colleges there shouldn't be a problem i.e. Wasington State, Oregon State and the rest. Although some colors will be repeated.

I think if we go with the state colleges there shouldn't be a problem i.e. Wasington State, Oregon State and the rest. Although some colors will be repeated.

But there's often more than one college in a state right? And often they're rivals. For instance, in Georgia which college would you use? Georgia State? Georgia Tech? University of Georgia?

State colors seem to be a better choice, but the best in my opinion would be Red White, and Blue.

This is a great idea....put me down for Oklahoma....can the people who are maintaining the caches just find 49---so that they can log the finds? Also, should we all send something from our state for the final cache?

I didn't see that someone had already taken oklahoma....I will watch for this listing.....This is a great idea.

I'll list you as a backup for OK - okay?

Yes, you can find the final even if you are a hider.

Here is the current list:

Alabama - wesleykey

Arizona

Arkansas

California - Mystery Ink

Connecticut

Delaware

Florida - spot-trotter

Georgia - Rebel

Hawaii

Idaho - Team Jsam

Illinois - Beffums

Indiana - sept1c_tank

Iowa - The Northwood Goonies

Kansas - k_statealan

Kentucky - SG-MIN

Louisiana - Team Gryarvold

Maine - Haffy

Maryland - DaisyChain

Massachusetts - BlkSqrl413 & MrsBlksqrl

Michigan - IAMTHATERO or Team MTJ

Minnesota - Pto

Mississippi

Missouri - OzarksJim or Jhawk or smilingsteeles

Montana

New Hampshire

New Jersey - Rustysurfer22

New Mexico

New York - wefindall or rayman

North Carolina - erikwillke

North Dakota - Codfish116

Ohio - oscar478 or Hillbilly-Rockstar

Oklahoma -Kand or mellisarock

Oregon - Riddlers

Pennsylvania - jtd 18801

Rhode Island

South Carolina - llatnek

South Dakota - martinell

Tennessee - salpal

Texas - AMMOMAN

Utah

Vermont - Tharagleb

Virginia - treasure hunter

Washington - Fishiam

West Virginia - oldnavy59 or Morgan's Marauders

Wisconsin - AstroD-Team

Wyoming - dblrngr

Final cache - Center of US?

Puzzle - Will use simple numeric addition.

Edited by Blue Power Ranger
Can someone please explain to me in laymans terms about the coordinate math chatter that is going on for this plan? I am curious as to how that is going to help us in placing our cache in the area that we are supposed to choose to represent this series. I have a tentative location already in mind that would be great and need to know if I get to choose the location or the math cords do. Just really confused at this point, so please help.

Also for alot of states placing a large cache in an area like say the Alamo, or at the state capitol building where there is alot of foot traffic, muggles and lack of cover for hiding is maybe not a great idea. There are chances that it be mistaken for a bomb or taken completely just the for heck of it. It seems to me that it would be better to place them in an area this is still representative of the state but not really in the main stream of things, or sort of off the beaten track some in smaller towns and still be accessible to the average joe or jane.

The math will only be on the final cache, not the 50 state caches. The caches will all be placed wherever the state cache placer wants them, even the final cache can be placed anywhere. I (or somebody else) will create a formula based on the numbers hidden in the first 50 caches that will give the final coords for the last cache.

Tharagleb,

Can I count on you for the math for the final? We don't have the final settled yet but I would still like to begin getting these out and hidden. We want it to be basic math to determine the location of the final based on numbers found in each cache. I believe you had said that we could use basically anything now and then work the puzzle later.

What should we begin distributing code-wise to the individual states?

-BPR

I would make the final cache in DC, but obviously it would be a mystery cache. I am thinking this is on par with a Da Vinci Code / National Treasure style search. Lets be honest, very few people will be able to log this as a find.

People would search for years to get the information needed to complete the final stage. I mean honestly, how many people have cached in all 50 states, let alone captured a specific cache in a specific state (the more I think about it, the more I belive it has to be individual states - as a multi it would be insane.)

I agree these have to be top quality caches. That will be the trick.

You could get people to chip in and have a FTF prize of something like \$10,000 dollars (that is 1000 people at \$10 - quite doable)

You had better run with this idea - you have been entrusted with the vision :-)

I am a Project Manager by profession so I am happy to help with the organization of this. First place we should go:

1. Define Requirements - What is the end goal here?

2. Define Steps to Complete - Help?

I like it I still think it would look cool with the State flag on it though for each state.

Edited by Mystery Ink

-yes I know.

Can someone please explain to me in laymans terms about the coordinate math chatter that is going on for this plan? I am curious as to how that is going to help us in placing our cache in the area that we are supposed to choose to represent this series. I have a tentative location already in mind that would be great and need to know if I get to choose the location or the math cords do. Just really confused at this point, so please help.

Also for alot of states placing a large cache in an area like say the Alamo, or at the state capitol building where there is alot of foot traffic, muggles and lack of cover for hiding is maybe not a great idea. There are chances that it be mistaken for a bomb or taken completely just the for heck of it. It seems to me that it would be better to place them in an area this is still representative of the state but not really in the main stream of things, or sort of off the beaten track some in smaller towns and still be accessible to the average joe or jane.

The math will only be on the final cache, not the 50 state caches. The caches will all be placed wherever the state cache placer wants them, even the final cache can be placed anywhere. I (or somebody else) will create a formula based on the numbers hidden in the first 50 caches that will give the final coords for the last cache.

Tharagleb,

Can I count on you for the math for the final? We don't have the final settled yet but I would still like to begin getting these out and hidden. We want it to be basic math to determine the location of the final based on numbers found in each cache. I believe you had said that we could use basically anything now and then work the puzzle later.

What should we begin distributing code-wise to the individual states?

-BPR

I think if we gave each state a unique three-digit number (100-999) that would be enough to do a good puzzle. I will do the puzzle and, of course, withdraw from the competition. I doubt that I will ever get to all 50-states anyway. I will have the puzzle independently verified by another well-known puzzle cacher. I will make the puzzle so that you can't even get close without all 50 of the numbers.

I suggest the PUBLISHED final coords be 1 to 2 miles from the ACTUAL coords.

BTW, the state numbers should be RANDOM (100-999) and don't actually have to be unique.

Edited by Tharagleb

Very nice! The colors are very pleasing to the eye and not at all overwhelming. Good job.

Here is the current list:

Alabama - wesleykey

Arizona

Arkansas

California - Mystery Ink

Connecticut

Delaware

Florida - spot-trotter

Georgia - Rebel

Hawaii

Idaho - Team Jsam

Illinois - Beffums

Indiana - sept1c_tank

Iowa - The Northwood Goonies

Kansas - k_statealan

Kentucky - SG-MIN

Louisiana - Team Gryarvold

Maine - Haffy

Maryland - DaisyChain

Massachusetts - BlkSqrl413 & MrsBlksqrl

Michigan - IAMTHATERO or Team MTJ

Minnesota - Pto

Mississippi

Missouri - OzarksJim or Jhawk or smilingsteeles

Montana

New Hampshire

New Jersey - Rustysurfer22

New Mexico

New York - wefindall or rayman

North Carolina - erikwillke

North Dakota - Codfish116

Ohio - oscar478 or Hillbilly-Rockstar

Oklahoma -Kand or mellisarock

Oregon - Riddlers

Pennsylvania - jtd 18801

Rhode Island

South Carolina - llatnek

South Dakota - martinell

Tennessee - salpal

Texas - AMMOMAN

Utah

Vermont - Tharagleb

Virginia - treasure hunter

Washington - Fishiam

West Virginia - oldnavy59 or Morgan's Marauders

Wisconsin - AstroD-Team

Wyoming - dblrngr

Final cache - Center of US?

Puzzle - Will use simple numeric addition.

If you need a backup for Alaska let me know. I might have a backup for you.

For the final cache I'd suggest it be made crystal clear that any Found logs made without having proof of visiting all other caches first will be deleted. There are quite a lot of people that feel as long as you sign the log book then it should count - even on caches that have additional logging requirements.

Hopefully the person that owns this final cache will be willing to delete finds that don't meet the requirements.

For the final cache I'd suggest it be made crystal clear that any Found logs made without having proof of visiting all other caches first will be deleted. There are quite a lot of people that feel as long as you sign the log book then it should count - even on caches that have additional logging requirements.

Hopefully the person that owns this final cache will be willing to delete finds that don't meet the requirements.

We will make that clear on the final.

Title suggestion: The AMERIcache!

Noticed a cache by this name already exists. I have emailed the owner asking for his/her blessing on allowing us to use this name as well.

I mean honestly, how many people have cached in all 50 states, let alone captured a specific cache in a specific state (the more I think about it, the more I belive it has to be individual states - as a multi it would be insane.)

Well, at least 4, if you read the log of the cache linked above.

-ajb

Here is the current list:

Alabama - wesleykey

Arizona

Arkansas

California - Mystery Ink

Connecticut

Delaware

Florida - spot-trotter

Georgia - Rebel

Hawaii

Idaho - Team Jsam

Illinois - Beffums

Indiana - sept1c_tank

Iowa - The Northwood Goonies

Kansas - k_statealan

Kentucky - SG-MIN

Louisiana - Team Gryarvold

Maine - Haffy

Maryland - DaisyChain

Massachusetts - BlkSqrl413 & MrsBlksqrl

Michigan - IAMTHATERO or Team MTJ

Minnesota - Pto

Mississippi

Missouri - OzarksJim or Jhawk or smilingsteeles

Montana

New Hampshire

New Jersey - Rustysurfer22

New Mexico

New York - wefindall or rayman

North Carolina - erikwillke

North Dakota - Codfish116

Ohio - oscar478 or Hillbilly-Rockstar

Oklahoma -Kand or mellisarock

Oregon - Riddlers

Pennsylvania - jtd 18801

Rhode Island

South Carolina - llatnek

South Dakota - martinell

Tennessee - salpal

Texas - AMMOMAN

Utah

Vermont - Tharagleb

Virginia - treasure hunter

Washington - Fishiam

West Virginia - oldnavy59 or Morgan's Marauders

Wisconsin - AstroD-Team

Wyoming - dblrngr

Final cache - Center of US?

Puzzle - Will use simple numeric addition.

For the final, there's been a volunteer to place the cache in Washington, DC. As a former Washingtonian, that gets my vote if the District doesn't get it's own cache in the series. The geographical center is a good idea, but essentially gives one state two caches in the series and leaves DC out (as usual, lol). Isn't taxation without representation enough discrimination against our cachers in our nation's capitol, lol? As for concerns about longevity, there are plenty of areas in DC where a cache could remain safe for quite some time. Besides, what could be more representative of the country as a whole than a cache in the nation's capitol? As significant as the geographically central coordinates are to a GPS-based game, I would MUCH rather complete a journey like this in place like DC than on someone's pig farm, which is I believe where someone mentioned the geographical center actually is. Besides which, no one has yet said they are able to hide a cache there, whereas there has been a volunteer for a DC cache.

Soooooooooo ::chanting:: Cache for DC! Cache for DC! Cache for DC!

I will add to this that I also have doubts about anyone ever gettting to all the caches.

I have not read the thread all the way through but will there be a size restriction as far as no micros or does/will it matter.

I have not read the thread all the way through but will there be a size restriction as far as no micros or does/will it matter.

Since people are theoretically going far out of there way for these finds, I would STRONGLY prefer that these caches be either regular or large size. Not that there is anything wrong with micros... lets just not even go down that road in this thread.

Adjusted the page I worked on a bit... added flag etc. Opinions?

I expect we will start to have states starting to come online by next week. Please don't start hiding the caches until I contact you for your state. I want to get these out in a controlled (not because I am controlling ) release. THANKS!

Since people are theoretically going far out of there way for these finds, I would STRONGLY prefer that these caches be either regular or large size. Not that there is anything wrong with micros... lets just not even go down that road in this thread.

I agree 100%

Edited by Team Jsam

I like the way the page looks. Are the green colors going to remain the same to represent earth colors?

Do the representatives for each state cache do their own page using this template or is there going to be a web person to do it?

If no one has called it yet, I know a WICKED SPOT in beautiful

ARKANSAS!

I love this idea! Put me down for The Natural State!

Edited by Kiamichi Muskrat

I like the way the page looks. Are the green colors going to remain the same to represent earth colors?

Do the representatives for each state cache do their own page using this template or is there going to be a web person to do it?

Right - I thought the earthy colors were fine. No need to complicate things. I can distribute the template and people, if they feel they can can add their own text etc. If they don't feel able, I am happy to do it for them.

If no one has called it yet, I know a WICKED SPOT in beautiful

ARKANSAS!

I love this idea! Put me down for The Natural State!

Adding you to the list. Not too wicked of a spot I hope!

I'm ready to go out and place Pa's once I get the #'s.

I'm ready to go out and place Pa's once I get the #'s.

Thanks - please don't hide yet. I'm contacting individual cachers to start phased-hiding. In the meantime...

To all volunteers:

If you are still serious about hiding...

We will want these caches to be safe and in place long-term. Please make certain you have express permission from the hide location's managing agency or from the property owner if this is private property. These caches need to have a life of 5+ years. Will you be able to maintain the cache long-term?

Caches should be either REGULAR or LARGE size and should have a terrain/difficulty level of not greater than 2.5 stars so MOST cachers will be able to access the area and find the cache.

Please also verify that the selected location is somehow relevant to the state you are representing. What is your state known for...? How does this hide location represent that?

Thanks to you and all for your willingness to participate!!!

Man, somebody better put one in Hawaii before July 23. I'm going to do some research there on the Big Island and at Honolulu. That will possibly be my only lifetime chance of getting this one.

Perhaps cachers in the untaken states need to be emailed? They may never come to the forums.

Man, somebody better put one in Hawaii before July 23. I'm going to do some research there on the Big Island and at Honolulu. That will possibly be my only lifetime chance of getting this one.

Perhaps cachers in the untaken states need to be emailed? They may never come to the forums.

One in Maui would be nice, before December.

I'm ready to go out and place Pa's once I get the #'s.

Thanks - please don't hide yet. I'm contacting individual cachers to start phased-hiding. In the meantime...

To all volunteers:

If you are still serious about hiding...

We will want these caches to be safe and in place long-term. Please make certain you have express permission from the hide location's managing agency or from the property owner if this is private property. These caches need to have a life of 5+ years. Will you be able to maintain the cache long-term?

Caches should be either REGULAR or LARGE size and should have a terrain/difficulty level of not greater than 2.5 stars so MOST cachers will be able to access the area and find the cache.

Please also verify that the selected location is somehow relevant to the state you are representing. What is your state known for...? How does this hide location represent that?

Thanks to you and all for your willingness to participate!!!

You have mail.