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I am new to this game (only 18 finds) and I'm just shocked. I read the forums daily and enjoy most of it. I am just shocked that adults act like this. We are ADULTS! We should respect others and not act like teenagers.

 

Sharnie

 

P.S. My husband is in the military and served in Iraq(2 tours to be exact) as well. I'm not saying this to get a "count", I'm saying to let you all know that I can relate to the feelings some are having.

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You get a special icon for logging the event?

Well then.. even though I'm not there, I want the icon.

I'm gonna log a find on the event.

I hope it doesn't create a controversy.

 

Of course it won't....play the game your "own" way, right?

 

I say go ahead and log it...as many times as you want!

 

Now, I'm personally going to think that's really stupid, and I'm going to question all of your awesome "find milestones", but it won't keep me up at night either.

 

p.s. if you bogus-log my caches, I do reserve the right to delete those logs.

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You get a special icon for logging the event?

Well then.. even though I'm not there, I want the icon.

I'm gonna log a find on the event.

I hope it doesn't create a controversy.

I'm sure you can get someone to share the "code" (or whatever the key is for getting the icon), so that you too can add another cool icon to your collection. Won't everyone be impressed??

 

(Btw, VK, I read your sarcasm loud and clear. The above was directed at our fellow cachers who really DO play this way!)

 

(Edit: sp.)

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Jeep Dog, thanks for your genuine suggestions, and especially thank you for your service. I think the excuse people are using to log this cache is a joke since many of the same people are also somehow finding caches in FL, MA, TN, CO, CA, WI, and OK while they are visiting Texas for GW4. What's the reason for logging those?

 

 

What, you don't know? I'm sure it's so they can go back home and update their profile maps of "States I've cached In" to include all the ones they found at GW4. Not bad, go to Texas and cache in FL, MA, TN, CO, CA, WI, and OK too!

 

Of course I'm just joking. The sad thing is, I'm sure people will do this. If they're "finding" caches sitting on a table on in someone's pocket, there's no limit to the bogus stuff that they'll do.

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I know a couple of cachers that drove from California to the event.

They also made a whole day drive to an adjoining state, just to find one cache in that state. :)

I believe they made the correct decision, and I applaud them for the personal effort.

The multi-state logging at the event will only deter others from spending their time

doing things the right way. :laughing:

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Forgive them, Father, for they have sinned. They have violated the sanctity of the Holier than Thou squad.

 

Bad timing. Please stay on topic (Holier than Thou)....until we are finished. :laughing:

The cachers doing all the cheating will certainly have their say AFTER the event. :)

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I really do not get too wound up about much in the Geocaching universe. However, I did develop a very stong opinion about THIS CACHE, and have included my note below. I am not looking for validation or to be told I am stupid for my opinion. Rather, I am curious as to others' opinions about a situation such as this.

 

NOTE LEFT ON GEOCACHE PAGE:

"I do not get offended by much in Geocaching, since I believe Geocaching is for the Geocachers, and that rules should be minimal.

 

However, the rules are simple. Find a cache. Sign Log. If you take something, then leave something.

 

I find it hugely disrespectful and an insult to Iraq geoachers to have a cache clearly not found logged so many times. I gather from the logs that the "cache" was used at GW4, apparently.

 

Sometimes, a find is not just a smiley. Sometimes, to some of us, there are certain caches we are quite proud to have on our list, and obviously went through great pains to log certain caches. We develop comraderie also with those that have found the cache.

 

Perhaps I am way out of line. Yet the fact remains, I am offended by the logged finds on 27 MAY 06."

 

Whoops... I'm off topic. sorry.

 

We were talking about the IRAQ cache and people signing it at the GW4 event..(is that in Iraq?)

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OK, after having served two tours in Iraq myself, let me say that posting a find on an in-country cache when you've never been in the country is NOT showing support for the troops, no matter what you write in the logs.

 

I would encourage everyone here in the forum, as well as those who posted finds on this cache, if you really want to show support for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, box up a couple of DVDs, CDs or books (or any combination of the above) and send them to someone stationed there.

 

Life in a combat zone consists of long stretches of interminable boredom punctuated by short periods of white-knuckle fear. There's nothing we can do about the dangerous part, but we can surely help alleviate the boredom.

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OK, after having served two tours in Iraq myself, let me say that posting a find on an in-country cache when you've never been in the country is NOT showing support for the troops, no matter what you write in the logs.

 

I would encourage everyone here in the forum, as well as those who posted finds on this cache, if you really want to show support for our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, box up a couple of DVDs, CDs or books (or any combination of the above) and send them to someone stationed there.

 

Life in a combat zone consists of long stretches of interminable boredom punctuated by short periods of white-knuckle fear. There's nothing we can do about the dangerous part, but we can surely help alleviate the boredom.

Ah...but you see: Doing something like THAT (or taking the time to do what Jeep Dog suggested, and read a serviceman's profile, and send a meaningful email) would take a few moments of precious time and energy, and certainly would not result in one more smiley for the leaderboard.

 

I wish I was articulate enough to put into words (that would not get me banned from the forums) how much this fiasco irritates me. And again, I would be hard pressed to put into words the WHY...it just does. :laughing:

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:laughing:

 

Wow.

 

:)

 

So do we all get to log an "attended" log for GW4 now and get the new MEGA EVENT icon?

Actually, I don't want it.

 

I'm sure the good majority of folks that attended had no idea of these types of things going on so I won't hold everyone that attended accountable for the actions of some.

 

But for those some......wow. :(

 

<Kealia may be speechless - that's something>

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So do we all get to log an "attended" log for GW4 now and get the new MEGA EVENT icon?

Actually, I don't want it.

 

I'm sure the good majority of folks that attended had no idea of these types of things going on so I won't hold everyone that attended accountable for the actions of some.

 

But for those some......wow. :laughing:

 

Pretty much my opinion/take/stance

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As we've seen before, Geowoodstock is all about the numbers, and very little about the ethics of obtaining them.

 

Is it?

 

We drove a 350 miles round trip to attend. Stopped off in Waco and did one cache on the way. Claimed the smiley for the event and went home. Arrived back just after midnight with a total smiley count of two for the day.

 

What we did was attend an event with a huge number of geocachers that we had never met. Made friends with lots of them and had a great time. GW4 was all about what you wanted to make of it.

 

Didn't get to meet Mopar though which was a shame. He must have spent the day on his high horse. :laughing:

 

Alex (&Amy)

 

Guess you also failed to mention this was your choice to only obtain those couple of smiles. I attended GW3 and did not make it to GW4 due to more important things (sister's graduation). Personal choice is a huge aspect of going to Geowoodstock. That Saturday all my logs were either personal TBs or local caches in the area, or caches owners had brought. I never left the park and never made an honest attempt to cache because I was enjoying the NUMBER of new friends and contacts I was making. Sunday, I did do a pre-established cache run that was set up to demonstrate some unqiue hiding styles to that area.

 

Going to Geowoodstock can be fun, and I understand views from both sides. You get out of the event what you want to put into the event, if you wanng go and Smiley/Icon Ho your numbers you can. If you want to go and enjoy the company of the event you can.

 

All comes down to your personal chocie

 

Now, I am still reading up on the current cache situation that is in question so please do not assume anything of my opinions toward that because I've not made them yet.

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Not only are they over there giving their lives to save our flabby butts, but they can't even take a break to claim a geocaching find because it's also been claimed by people who aren't even there? Yeah, real supportive.

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I would like to add some context to and perhaps an alternative view point to what apparently happened concerning this cache. I will be the first to admit I don't know very much about this situation. I do not intend for this to be a justification for what happened. I also add that I did not log this cache (as you will note in my explanation below), despite the fact that I was at GW4. I also did not log any other caches that had "temporarily" been moved from permanent locations elsewhere.

 

This is the note that H2Nut, the owner of the cache, posted on the GW4 website several weeks ago:

 

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May 12 by H2Nut (628 found)

Attention all GeoWoodstock 4 attendees!! In an effort to show support for our fellow cachers (both Military and Civilians) deployed in Iraq, I will be setting up one of my caches from Iraq as a temporary cache during this event. I want to encourage everyone to visit this cache and leave your very own special message in the logbook that will return to Iraq. Also anyone who would like to donate small geocaching specific trade items, Geocoins, or local geocaching association specific items (patches, stickers, coins) to be sent to Iraq may leave them in the cache container during the event. I will check it/dumping the contents frequently during the event so there will room in the container. At the end of the event I forward these items to Iraq to be distributed through local caches and events. I will also be willing to act as a shuttle for any TBs wishing to travel to Iraq (see cache for travel forms and directions). While at the cache you will be able to learn more about caching in Iraq. Caching has become a great past time for personnel deployed because recreation opportunities are limited and personnel travel outside operating bases is not permitted. Specific location of the cache and cache logging information will be posted at the event by late Friday afternoon. Please come out and visit this cache during the event and show support for those in Iraq!

_________

 

I remember remarking to my husband at the time..."Wow, that is cool." I did not know what a 'temporary cache' was, but I wanted to try to find that and leave a geocoin or some other swag to send to Iraq in support of our troops if someone that had been there said that would be a way to show support.

 

Fast forward to the event on Saturday.... Worked registration early in the morning, then roamed around and talked to lots of people. Left in mid-morning to do some caches in the vicinity. Came back to GW4 for dinner and several more hours of enjoyable socializing with old and new friends.

 

When we got home that night (we live about an hour from the GW4 site) I remember thinking..."Oh, I forgot about the Iraq cache. I never saw the coordinates. I wanted to leave some stuff to send to Iraq." It was later today that I stumbled across this thread. It made be feel very sad. Maybe I am just easily taken in, but I think at least some of the people involved were likely good-intentioned and really did want to be supportive of our heroes in Iraq even if some or all of this seems to have had just the opposite effect.

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I would like to add some context to and perhaps and alternative view point to what apparently happened concerning this cache. I will be the first to admit I don't know very much about this situation. I do not intend for this to be a justification for what happened. I also add that I did not log this cache (as you will note in my explanation below), despite the fact that I was at GW4. I also did not log any other caches that had "temporarily" been moved from permanent locations elsewhere.

 

This is the note that H2Nut, the owner of the cache, posted on the GW4 website several weeks ago:

 

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May 12 by H2Nut (628 found)

Attention all GeoWoodstock 4 attendees!! In an effort to show support for our fellow cachers (both Military and Civilians) deployed in Iraq, I will be setting up one of my caches from Iraq as a temporary cache during this event. I want to encourage everyone to visit this cache and leave your very own special message in the logbook that will return to Iraq. Also anyone who would like to donate small geocaching specific trade items, Geocoins, or local geocaching association specific items (patches, stickers, coins) to be sent to Iraq may leave them in the cache container during the event. I will check it/dumping the contents frequently during the event so there will room in the container. At the end of the event I forward these items to Iraq to be distributed through local caches and events. I will also be willing to act as a shuttle for any TBs wishing to travel to Iraq (see cache for travel forms and directions). While at the cache you will be able to learn more about caching in Iraq. Caching has become a great past time for personnel deployed because recreation opportunities are limited and personnel travel outside operating bases is not permitted. Specific location of the cache and cache logging information will be posted at the event by late Friday afternoon. Please come out and visit this cache during the event and show support for those in Iraq!

_________

 

I remember remarking to my husband at the time..."Wow, that is cool." I did not know what a 'temporary cache' was, but I wanted to try to find that and leave a geocoin or some other swag to send to Iraq in support of our troops if someone that had been there said that would be a way to show support.

 

Fast forward to the event on Saturday.... Worked registration early in the morning, then roamed around and talked to lots of people. Left in mid-morning to do some caches in the vicinity. Came back to GW4 for dinner and several more hours of enjoyable socializing with old and new friends.

 

When we got home that night (we live about an hour from the GW4 site) I remember thinking..."Oh, I forgot about the Iraq cache. I never saw the coordinates. I wanted to leave some stuff to send to Iraq." It was later today that I stumbled across this thread. It made be feel very sad. Maybe I am just easily taken in, but I think at least some of the people involved were likely good-intentioned and really did want to be supportive of our heroes in Iraq even if some or all of this seems to have had just the opposite effect.

 

Proving once again that there is always more to a situation than there first appears, thank you.

Sounds to me like the cache owner was trying to do something supportive for the troops at least and it just snowballed out of control from there.

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I think that everyone signing a notebook with their special message and dropping off trade items to send to Iraq is a wonderful idea! BUT, I don't think you should reward yourself with a smilie for doing a good deed. The gesture should be from the heart not about logging a find.

 

Logging cache and supporting our troops have nothing to do with each other.

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Guess you also failed to mention this was your choice to only obtain those couple of smiles.

That was the point that I was trying to make. Boycotting GW4 just because there are people there who want to get loads of smiley's for little effort is pretty much cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

There was something there for everyone. We chose to socialise when had little smiley value but was great fun. As always YMMV

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Personally, I feel if a person recovers an archived cache and signs the log in the recovery process, they should be allowed to log the find.

Yes, if the cache is recovered at/near its original hide coords (i.e., not "carried elsewhere for logging by others"). To me, such a cache is one that was merely archived without the owner going back to retrieve the container...fair game for a Found It log, I agree.

 

These other uses for archived caches, though: NO!

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Personally, I feel if a person recovers an archived cache and signs the log in the recovery process, they should be allowed to log the find.

Yes, if the cache is recovered at/near its original hide coords (i.e., not "carried elsewhere for logging by others"). To me, such a cache is one that was merely archived without the owner going back to retrieve the container...fair game for a Found It log, I agree.

 

These other uses for archived caches, though: NO!

Agreed! I was only objecting to the categorical denial of 'Found It!' logs for archived caches (stipulated by geoholic28).

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Yes, the duplicate cache caused the cache listing to be archived. Now a Solider who actually finds the cache in Baghdad will be unable to log it. The owner tried to do a good thing. Greed for a smiley corrupted the intent. Good work people, way to support the troops.

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I would like to add some context to and perhaps and alternative view point to what apparently happened concerning this cache. I will be the first to admit I don't know very much about this situation. I do not intend for this to be a justification for what happened. I also add that I did not log this cache (as you will note in my explanation below), despite the fact that I was at GW4. I also did not log any other caches that had "temporarily" been moved from permanent locations elsewhere.

 

This is the note that H2Nut, the owner of the cache, posted on the GW4 website several weeks ago:

 

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May 12 by H2Nut (628 found)

Attention all GeoWoodstock 4 attendees!! In an effort to show support for our fellow cachers (both Military and Civilians) deployed in Iraq, I will be setting up one of my caches from Iraq as a temporary cache during this event. I want to encourage everyone to visit this cache and leave your very own special message in the logbook that will return to Iraq. Also anyone who would like to donate small geocaching specific trade items, Geocoins, or local geocaching association specific items (patches, stickers, coins) to be sent to Iraq may leave them in the cache container during the event. I will check it/dumping the contents frequently during the event so there will room in the container. At the end of the event I forward these items to Iraq to be distributed through local caches and events. I will also be willing to act as a shuttle for any TBs wishing to travel to Iraq (see cache for travel forms and directions). While at the cache you will be able to learn more about caching in Iraq. Caching has become a great past time for personnel deployed because recreation opportunities are limited and personnel travel outside operating bases is not permitted. Specific location of the cache and cache logging information will be posted at the event by late Friday afternoon. Please come out and visit this cache during the event and show support for those in Iraq!

_________

 

I remember remarking to my husband at the time..."Wow, that is cool." I did not know what a 'temporary cache' was, but I wanted to try to find that and leave a geocoin or some other swag to send to Iraq in support of our troops if someone that had been there said that would be a way to show support.

 

Fast forward to the event on Saturday.... Worked registration early in the morning, then roamed around and talked to lots of people. Left in mid-morning to do some caches in the vicinity. Came back to GW4 for dinner and several more hours of enjoyable socializing with old and new friends.

 

When we got home that night (we live about an hour from the GW4 site) I remember thinking..."Oh, I forgot about the Iraq cache. I never saw the coordinates. I wanted to leave some stuff to send to Iraq." It was later today that I stumbled across this thread. It made be feel very sad. Maybe I am just easily taken in, but I think at least some of the people involved were likely good-intentioned and really did want to be supportive of our heroes in Iraq even if some or all of this seems to have had just the opposite effect.

 

Proving once again that there is always more to a situation than there first appears, thank you.

Sounds to me like the cache owner was trying to do something supportive for the troops at least and it just snowballed out of control from there.

 

How can allowing Geocachers in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been to considered supporting the troops?

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I just noticed something, from May 10 until yesterday their were no logs made or any mention this cache was going to be moved from its orginial hiding spot to TX.. ;)

 

 

It wasn't moved. It's twin was there to educate people about what are Soldiers are doing.

 

May 28 by H2Nut (628 found)

To All: As the owner of this cache I want to explain the intent of this cache being displayed at GeoWoodstock 4. Not being a large cacher hider, I should have temporary disabled this cache - but did not wanting to make it unavailble for anyone in country trying to log it. This cache was placed at the event as an opportunity to show what caching is going in Iraq. After all this is what Geocaching is all about - discovering new things. The cache site included a map of the locations and photographs of cachers in country. I have also collecting items (TBs, GeoCoins, and other items) to be sent back to Iraq for our cachers there unable to be present for this event. There was no intent to violate any rules, but to share the great stuff happening in Iraq!! Request the cache be unachieved so it can continue to support caching.

 

edited to add I don't type as fast as others

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I think a LOT of "Hindsight is 20/20" is going on this weekend. :)

 

My personal opinion here is that we need to cut H2Nut some slack. :)

While his intentions and well meaning was good, his method of doing it was flawed.

And I feel he realizes that now.

 

Where I have problems is with the "FINDS" being logged by the cachers at GW4.

Folks if you truely want to support the folks over there "through the cache log" log the cache with a "NOTE" of support and well wishing. Logging a "FIND" and then writing nothing more than a "Thanks for the cache" is nothing but meaningless dribble. ;)

 

D-man :D

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How can allowing Geocachers in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been to considered supporting the troops?

Uh, how the cache owner said? It's like a geocaching CARE package. Come on, give 'em a break.

 

BTW here is a little secret that I am sure will have everyone even more up in arms, no pun intended. One cacher near several military bases has allows military folks to log more than one smiley on their caches. Since, as mentioned before, they are not let out much, they can up their numbers like everyone else, with the owner's permission.

 

And *gasp* they actually DO log multiple smileys. How does that cast our military folks to the Holier-Than-Thou crowd? And *bigger gasp* it's not just a select few, I'm told. A lot of servicepeople like it.

 

Oh gosh, that throws a wet blanket on it! Let's spend our efforts on something constructive.

 

Lighten up.

 

It's just a game.

You should just cache more and complain less.

And all those other excuses whoever said in a manner intended to shock those unwashed cheaters into realization that they are doing something, and I quote, "WRONG". You've GOT to be kidding.

Purists.

Why should you care, all you hurt, offended, purists? Lighten up. You aren't hurt a whit by what someone else does with someone else's cache, in someone else's location. Lighten up.

 

And I DO support our troops, I appreciate 'em, and no one's opinion about me, my actions, the hider's-in-question's actions, me being from Texas, or anything else can change that. So PLEASE come at me with more drivel - it's highly entertaining.

 

It's one thing to voice an opinion. To scream for Seattle to enforce your opinion as geocaching law is quite another, and at least as offensive as y'all felt about the logging thing at GWIV.

 

Lighten up.

 

Thanks!

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At least one of the "visiting" caches seems to be in TX without the owner's permission.

This cache in MA has about 20 less logs on it now then it did a few hours ago. Also a nice little note from the cache owner.

 

People will still get the find. They will just log the find on the GW4 event page as another find. If you look at the event page you will see about 5 caches that are done that way.

 

Richard

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A year or two ago a local dilemma came up. We would to got Spot X to find Cache X and find Cache Y that someone had moved there instead.

 

We would sign Y's log, and log X online then return the container to the owner.

 

At the time the forum concencus was that We found cache Y because that's the log. We locals felt that we had sought out Cache X and did every part of the experience intended for seekers of cache X so we logged cache X.

 

Now opinion seems to have gone the other way in that caches have a location and a stack of logs from here to the moon even if signed doesn't mean squat without the hunt that was intended to go with the log. Cool.

 

Bottom line, if it's a log without the hunt, it's just paper. The cache is somewhere else, in this case Iraq.

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How can allowing Geocachers in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been to considered supporting the troops?

Uh, how the cache owner said? It's like a geocaching CARE package. Come on, give 'em a break.

<snip>

Lighten up.

 

Thanks!

 

Who are you responding to? Obviously not me, so why did you quote my question? My question is NOT about the care package aspect, it's about the logging aspect. I'll rephrase my question but still focus on the logging a cache that you never actually found aspect.

 

How is allowing someone in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been in any way like sending care package?

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How can allowing Geocachers in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been to considered supporting the troops?

Uh, how the cache owner said? It's like a geocaching CARE package. Come on, give 'em a break.

 

BTW here is a little secret that I am sure will have everyone even more up in arms, no pun intended. One cacher near several military bases has allows military folks to log more than one smiley on their caches. Since, as mentioned before, they are not let out much, they can up their numbers like everyone else, with the owner's permission.

 

And *gasp* they actually DO log multiple smileys. How does that cast our military folks to the Holier-Than-Thou crowd? And *bigger gasp* it's not just a select few, I'm told. A lot of servicepeople like it.

 

Oh gosh, that throws a wet blanket on it! Let's spend our efforts on something constructive.

 

Lighten up.

 

It's just a game.

You should just cache more and complain less.

And all those other excuses whoever said in a manner intended to shock those unwashed cheaters into realization that they are doing something, and I quote, "WRONG". You've GOT to be kidding.

Purists.

Why should you care, all you hurt, offended, purists? Lighten up. You aren't hurt a whit by what someone else does with someone else's cache, in someone else's location. Lighten up.

 

And I DO support our troops, I appreciate 'em, and no one's opinion about me, my actions, the hider's-in-question's actions, me being from Texas, or anything else can change that. So PLEASE come at me with more drivel - it's highly entertaining.

 

It's one thing to voice an opinion. To scream for Seattle to enforce your opinion as geocaching law is quite another, and at least as offensive as y'all felt about the logging thing at GWIV.

 

Lighten up.

 

Thanks!

 

CARE package? That is an even more lame excuse than the lame excuses so far! Completing a difficult cache is a source of pride, the harder the cache the more proud you feel when you accomplish it. This is true whether it’s in a war zone or atop a high mountain. As the OP said, he was proud of having that find in his list.

 

I saw a new cacher with 11 finds recently. He’s off to a good start right? No, it seems he was mentored by some big numbers cheaters from Wisconsin and all 11 finds were for the same event. Multiple finds are wrong. The smiley isn’t a reward, it merely represents the number of geocaches you’ve found. When you select Found It from the drop-down box, you are saying that you’ve found the cache. If you select it twice when you only found it once, you have told a lie. (…and you can’t find it more than once anyway.)

 

Lighten up? It’s just a game? Why should you care? Those are the things people say when they know they’re doing something wrong.

85 MPH down the freeway, weaving in and out of traffic. “Lighten up, I’m not hurting anyone!”

Kiddie porn on your computer? “Why should anyone care? Lighten up, it’s not hurting anyone!”

10 year old playing a video game that scores more points for beating a woman? “Hey, it’s just a game! You should go do something instead of bothering me!”

 

Why is it that you refer to people who play the game by the rules without lying and cheating ‘purists’? I guess that would make you impurists, better known as deceivers and cheaters.

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How can allowing Geocachers in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been to considered supporting the troops?

Uh, how the cache owner said? It's like a geocaching CARE package. Come on, give 'em a break.

<snip>

Lighten up.

 

Thanks!

 

Who are you responding to? Obviously not me, so why did you quote my question? My question is NOT about the care package aspect, it's about the logging aspect. I'll rephrase my question but still focus on the logging a cache that you never actually found aspect.

 

How is allowing someone in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been in any way like sending care package?

 

The response was dead on. It was the owners intent that people sign "A" log which would be shipped to Iraq for the soldiers to find and read, it was NOT his intention, IMHO, that they log an actual "find" on the cache.

Those who logged finds are to blame in this case, not the cache owner, again IMHO.

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If you want to find a cache in Iraq, go there and put your butt on the line the way the people who really found it did, and are doing . Then you will have earned the find. I'd personally be ashamed to have a "find" in Iraq on my list if I wasn't there.

 

It's similar in a way to the all the 50 something losers who sit in bars telling stories about 'nam, when in truth they spend the war in college, or the miscreants who are walking around with bogus medals they purchased on the Internet. Who does it hurt? Nobody. But it just ain't right.

 

I wish I could say that I'm shocked that this happened, but the depths that people sink to in the name of a smiley no longer amaze me. And to think that there are people who are defending this here.

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If you want to find a cache in Iraq, go there and put your butt on the line the way the people who really found it did, and are doing . Then you will have earned the find. I'd personally be ashamed to have a "find" in Iraq on my list if I wasn't there.

 

It's similar in a way to the all the 50 something losers who sit in bars telling stories about 'nam, when in truth they spend the war in college, or the miscreants who are walking around with bogus medals they purchased on the Internet. Who does it hurt? Nobody. But it just ain't right.

 

I wish I could say that I'm shocked that this happened, but the depths that people sink to in the name of a smiley no longer amaze me. And to think that there are people who are defending this here.

 

Agreed, I am also against logging a find you didn't find.

Just to clarify, I'm just suggesting that logging the cache as a find is not what the cache owner intended, so lets not blame him for the fiasco. ;)

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How can allowing Geocachers in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been to considered supporting the troops?

Uh, how the cache owner said? It's like a geocaching CARE package. Come on, give 'em a break.

<snip>

Lighten up.

 

Thanks!

 

Who are you responding to? Obviously not me, so why did you quote my question? My question is NOT about the care package aspect, it's about the logging aspect. I'll rephrase my question but still focus on the logging a cache that you never actually found aspect.

 

How is allowing someone in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been in any way like sending care package?

 

The response was dead on. It was the owners intent that people sign "A" log which would be shipped to Iraq for the soldiers to find and read, it was NOT his intention, IMHO, that they log an actual "find" on the cache.

Those who logged finds are to blame in this case, not the cache owner, again IMHO.

If that is the case then the cache owner needs to clean up (delete) some logs from the cache page. Then resubmit a new cache page. Unfortunately simply unarchiving the cache page will only bring more found it logs from people that saw the "duplicate" at GW4.

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How can allowing Geocachers in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been to considered supporting the troops?

Uh, how the cache owner said? It's like a geocaching CARE package. Come on, give 'em a break.

<snip>

Lighten up.

 

Thanks!

 

Who are you responding to? Obviously not me, so why did you quote my question? My question is NOT about the care package aspect, it's about the logging aspect. I'll rephrase my question but still focus on the logging a cache that you never actually found aspect.

 

How is allowing someone in Texas to log a find on a cache in Iraq that they have never been in any way like sending care package?

 

The response was dead on. It was the owners intent that people sign "A" log which would be shipped to Iraq for the soldiers to find and read, it was NOT his intention, IMHO, that they log an actual "find" on the cache.

Those who logged finds are to blame in this case, not the cache owner, again IMHO.

If that is the case then the cache owner needs to clean up (delete) some logs from the cache page. Then resubmit a new cache page. Unfortunately simply unarchiving the cache page will only bring more found it logs from people that saw the "duplicate" at GW4.

Agreed

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If that is the case then the cache owner needs to clean up (delete) some logs from the cache page. Then resubmit a new cache page. Unfortunately simply unarchiving the cache page will only bring more found it logs from people that saw the "duplicate" at GW4.

 

ooh, that's good.

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If you want to find a cache in Iraq, go there and put your butt on the line the way the people who really found it did, and are doing . Then you will have earned the find. I'd personally be ashamed to have a "find" in Iraq on my list if I wasn't there.

 

That's the part that bugs me. This was a cache that relatively few people were ever going to log, and the ones that did would be justifiably proud of it. Now going back and reviewing the logs on this cache will have a mix of people who were in Iraq and found and logged the cache and people who saw a cache like it at a Texas event.

 

As far as Smilies go: Meh. That's not how I play, but, whatever.

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Sorry, to clarify, the CARE package thing I'm talking about was, the owner collecting a bunch of swag and supportive logs to put in caches in Iraq, not whatever else the deal was.

 

Personally, I don't log duplicate logs. But that's how I roll. I don't care how others roll.

 

Comparing geocaching with endangering lives speeding on the freeway? Because we should let people play the game how they want I also think people should endanger lives speeding? Uh, no. You make an unwarranted extrapolation.

 

Comparing geocaching with games that teach gender discrimination? Uh, no. Not even the point.

 

I think this game is between the hider and the finder. And Groundspeak, sort of.

 

It's not a LIE, it's how they play the game. Keep the speeding and the sexual discrimination in check, absolutely. Even the most egregious of multiple-smiley activity will not teach kids to lie.

 

Care about something that matters, for Pete's sake. Pick your battles. But I suppose I should realize where I am.

 

Delightful, keep it coming.

 

Thanks!

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It's twin was there to educate people about what are Soldiers are doing.

 

May 28 by H2Nut (628 found)

To All: As the owner of this cache I want to explain the intent of this cache being displayed at GeoWoodstock 4. Not being a large cacher hider, I should have temporary disabled this cache - but did not wanting to make it unavailble for anyone in country trying to log it. This cache was placed at the event as an opportunity to show what caching is going in Iraq. After all this is what Geocaching is all about - discovering new things. The cache site included a map of the locations and photographs of cachers in country. I have also collecting items (TBs, GeoCoins, and other items) to be sent back to Iraq for our cachers there unable to be present for this event. There was no intent to violate any rules, but to share the great stuff happening in Iraq!! Request the cache be unachieved so it can continue to support caching.

 

 

Ok, if the cache was brought to GWS to show the kind of hide it was, to give cachers a sense of Iraqi geocaching, cool.

 

But it is part of the event cache activities and should not be logged as an extra smiley at any cache. It is a temporary cache and not allowable by this site. It was logged thousands of miles away from its listed location, making it a moving (and temporary) cache and not allowable by this site.

 

For those who think this doesnt hurt anyone. You are wrong. Like it or not, we are a group of cachers and expect to play by a set of rules. This breaking of the rules of this sport cheapens the sport overall. I hope this method of "play" doesnt catch on in Arizona. We have a solid community here. I would hate to see this kind of garbage start to become the "norm" of caching.

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Over lunch today I told my nine year old son about this. He looked up from his happy meal and said:

 

That's just wrong!!!

 

 

When I asked him about it later he said he was mad about it because the people in Iraq were missing out on finding the cache now.

 

Shame that a 9 year get's it and apparently many so called adults don't.

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