NewZealand Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hi, since I bought my 60 CSX I have the GPS Software version 2.40 (I assume it is the SIRF firmware). I used the Garmin firmwares 2.62, then 2.60 and now 2.70, but the GPS receivers version always stayed the same (2.40). I have heard that somebody has 2.50 (could you check your 76 and 60's out there?). Question is: How can this be upgraded, and what does it change exactly ? Thanks for any hints and tips, NZ Quote Link to comment
freeday Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 i also heared about a gps receiver version 2.50 - no idea whats new and where to download Hope wandering is better with 2.50 Quote Link to comment
SandyGarrity Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Hi Firmware is diffrent to software. In simple terms think of Firmware as the Operating System. In fact it is an update of the Read Only Memory (ROM) where Software would update the Random Access Memory (RAM). But it all gets a bit fuzzy in a device like this. This is an upgrade of how the hardware interfaces with the software and the list of what it does is on the upgrade page of the Garmin website. I'll be updating my GPS as soon as I get home (currently lunchtime in the UK). If it was a software upgrade they would be changing things like how the screen looked. Wonder if they could do a software upgrade to work out how long it takes to boil a kettle at altatude? Quote Link to comment
freeday Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 at this time we have for gpsmap 60 csx: Software Version 2.70 GPS SW Version 2.40 We are talking about the GPS SW VERSION which might be also 2.50 for some users Normally the Garmin-FW update is only for the software Version (2.70 currently) Quote Link to comment
+GOT GPS? Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 My GPSMap60Cx started out at SW version 2.30, and still there, and the firmware is 2.70 now, so I'm wondering if the lower number, is what was installed at the factory?? or not? Quote Link to comment
NewZealand Posted May 10, 2006 Author Share Posted May 10, 2006 (edited) My GPSMap60Cx started out at SW version 2.30, and still there, and the firmware is 2.70 now, so I'm wondering if the lower number, is what was installed at the factory?? or not?I don't think so, because somebody bought a CSX and had the combination 2.50/2.60 on it. To clarify to the others what we are talking about, here an image of what my 60 CSX tells me, when I display the software version: So I have the combination 2.70/2.40 now, and my question is, if this 2.40 can also be upgraded. I wrote a question to Garmin about that, but it usually takes some days until to a response. Possibly some of you already know more about that, therefore I asked. Edited May 10, 2006 by NewZealand Quote Link to comment
+allory Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Some nuvi owners are reporting that with the latest software update (3.20) they are also seeing the GPS firmware updated to 2.50. Quote Link to comment
SandyGarrity Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 is, if this 2.40 can also be upgraded. Yes - see my post above Quote Link to comment
dfred Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yes - see my post above I reread your post, but other that that I've personally not seen any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that the GPS SW has ever changed due to any user-iniitiated activity. Are you saying that you've performed an upgrade on a 60*x or 76*x where the GPS SW version changed? The only reports of the GPS SW changing were due to replacement of the entire unit. But perhaps I missed something along the way... Based on the information I've seen I'd guess that it represents one or more of the following: - the original version of the firmware that was installed on the unit and/or is in ROM - the version of the "brainstem' code such as the loader -- either in ROM or seperate area of flash - the SiRF firmware revision level (seems somewhat less likely given WAAS changes in 2.70 that didn't affect it) - is related to the hardware revision level of the unit (despite saying "SW") Quote Link to comment
Neo_Geo Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 Yes - see my post above I reread your post, but other that that I've personally not seen any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, that the GPS SW has ever changed due to any user-iniitiated activity. Are you saying that you've performed an upgrade on a 60*x or 76*x where the GPS SW version changed? The only reports of the GPS SW changing were due to replacement of the entire unit. But perhaps I missed something along the way... Based on the information I've seen I'd guess that it represents one or more of the following: - the original version of the firmware that was installed on the unit and/or is in ROM - the version of the "brainstem' code such as the loader -- either in ROM or seperate area of flash - the SiRF firmware revision level (seems somewhat less likely given WAAS changes in 2.70 that didn't affect it) - is related to the hardware revision level of the unit (despite saying "SW") What dfred said... And I'll add that I cannot find any downloads from Garmin's Web site, I've updated my firmware to 2.70 and my software version is 2.30! Quote Link to comment
planewood Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 My software version is 2.7 and the GPS SW Version is 2.3 Quote Link to comment
8mmag Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 I just received a replacement 60CSx GPSr from Garmin yesterday, the S/N was over 25,000 higher than my original. The original was SW Version 2.40 and the new unit has SW Version 2.5. I'd like to know what the difference is myself... Quote Link to comment
sudamar Posted May 10, 2006 Share Posted May 10, 2006 How do you know what version of software you have in a GPS? I have a 60csx and keep reading about the new 2.70 version. Also, is there a way of telling if WAAS is working. I have it enabled, but don't know how to tell if it is working. Thanks Quote Link to comment
-Oz- Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 You can tell if its working if you see a WAAS sattelite (35, 47 etc.) and then have little D's appear on other sattelites. See this image: Quote Link to comment
Neo_Geo Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 How do you know what version of software you have in a GPS? I have a 60csx.. [MENU] > [MENU] > Setup > [ENTR] > System > [ENTR] > [MENU] > Software Version [ENTR] Quote Link to comment
nilgiri Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! Quote Link to comment
+dumketu Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! You are right, it did work! I now have Firmware 2.7 and software 2.5. Brian Quote Link to comment
TracknQ Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! Nilgiri, THANKS! Your technique worked. I, too, now have 2.70 and 2.50. TracknQ Quote Link to comment
NewZealand Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! Thanks for this important info!I just did it, and it works, I also have the combination 2.70/2.50 now! Quote Link to comment
+drbugs Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! GOOD catch! I did the firmware update without the webupdater, and the GPS SW was 2.30. Just ran the updater, and it said the firmware was current, but then provided an option to check for the gps receiver software. It offered the option to update it, and now it is 2.70 and 2.50. Tx dood. R Quote Link to comment
+rjb43nh Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! It works just great! Only thing that gave me a little scare was that my computer is in a spot where I can't get a GPS signal inside. After the update to 2.50 I was checking to see if everything on my 60CSx was still working correctly and I noticed the displayed time on the altimeter screen (actually on any screen) was "Sep '04." Until I went outside to get satellite lock, the time wasn't set. It immediately aquired the correct time and date from the GPS network. Quote Link to comment
SandyGarrity Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! Thanks! I feel my postings above are correct. But what a strange way to update the SW version. Quote Link to comment
8mmag Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Anyone notice any difference after updating to GPS SW Version 2.50, outside of those noted in Software Version 2.70? Quote Link to comment
+Timpat Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! Many thanks Nilgiri! That is AWESOME! Boy, all you folks out there are the best who find these tricks! Quote Link to comment
NewZealand Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 Anyone notice any difference after updating to GPS SW Version 2.50, outside of those noted in Software Version 2.70?Though I only have it since a few hours, I already have a difference:EGNOS Satellite 33 disappeared and was replaced by 37. Don't know yet which one that is, but will check it. Quote Link to comment
-Oz- Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Cool, nice find Nilgiri. I now have the latest everything. Quote Link to comment
NewZealand Posted May 11, 2006 Author Share Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) Anyone notice any difference after updating to GPS SW Version 2.50, outside of those noted in Software Version 2.70?Though I only have it since a few hours, I already have a difference:EGNOS Satellite 33 disappeared and was replaced by 37. Don't know yet which one that is, but will check it. That's interesting, 37 is PRN124 (Artemis) and is quite new. Actually 33 (PRN120, AOR-E) will be turned off in the middle of the year.Do you guys in Europe with the old (non 2.50) SIRF software still see 33 or also see 37 now? I just want to know if it is a Firmware issue (which would be positive to see the satellite which will be the production one, and not the one which will go out of order), or if ESA changed something today accidently (possibly 33 doesn't send, as it was the case a few days ago for some minutes). Edited May 11, 2006 by NewZealand Quote Link to comment
+whitecrow Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Many thanks for this update. GPS SW went from 2.3 to 2.5, already had updated to SW 2.7 Quote Link to comment
planewood Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 So, what did upgrading from GPS SW 2.3 to 2.5 buy us?? Seems like it took a lot longer for the satellite page to settle down. Lots of bars jumping around. It is showing a 7' EPE now with max lock on 10 sats (using Gillson antenna). I haven't seen it show 7' in a long time. Waas is enabled and 35 is still winkin and blinkin in the ESE and showing as a hollow bar at about 50% height. Quote Link to comment
+Cache Heads Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Waas is enabled and 35 is still winkin and blinkin in the ESE and showing as a hollow bar at about 50% height. I'm beginning to think, as others have stated, that this is not necessarily a software related issue. I get a solid 35 with WAAS corrections here in Southern California. Perhaps is has more to do with your location? As far as changes with the 2.5 SW-- I haven't noticed much.... Quote Link to comment
+The Wombles Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Thanks for the heads-up on 2.50, now loaded. Here in the UK I have a solid lock on Satellite 33 (EGNOS, equivalent to WAAS) and D's in all bars EXCEPT satellite 08 EPE appears little changed. Quote Link to comment
+birddog14 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) see below Edited May 11, 2006 by birddog14 Quote Link to comment
+birddog14 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Waas is enabled and 35 is still winkin and blinkin in the ESE and showing as a hollow bar at about 50% height. I'm beginning to think, as others have stated, that this is not necessarily a software related issue. I get a solid 35 with WAAS corrections here in Southern California. Perhaps is has more to do with your location? As far as changes with the 2.5 SW-- I haven't noticed much.... I am thinking it has to do with location.......seems like a lot of guys on the west coast are getting D's I just upgraded...already had 2.7........now have 2.7 and 2.5 I am showing a hollow bar about halfway up for 35 (only waas I am picking up and it is still showing it E/SE) and no D's by letting my GPSr sit outside with the Gilsson antenna. I've had my 60CSx for about since 3-16 and only got a filled in bar on a WAAS bird for part of one day....most of the time it shows a hollow bar.......and that one day that I was getting a filled in bar is the only time I have shown D's with this GPSr........it was showing 35 in an E/SE positin....my 60C and legend C have been picking up 1-2 WAAS birds and showing D's and showing 35 to the west near Fort Worth TX Quote Link to comment
-Oz- Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I'm in Tucson, AZ. I picked up 35 and 47 today with solid bars and had D's. That screenshot was from the 2.60 firmware. With that firmware you couldn't get a solid bar. Maybe you should leave it outside for a bit with a clear view and see if it can get a lock. Sometimes it takes a little while. Quote Link to comment
+birddog14 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 (edited) I'm in Tucson, AZ. I picked up 35 and 47 today with solid bars and had D's. That screenshot was from the 2.60 firmware. With that firmware you couldn't get a solid bar. Maybe you should leave it outside for a bit with a clear view and see if it can get a lock. Sometimes it takes a little while. I was wondering if I need to do a reset or hard reset , or if I just need to wait until 35 is finished moving and sending corrections Edited May 11, 2006 by birddog14 Quote Link to comment
gradinka Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Do you guys in Europe with the old (non 2.50) SIRF software still see 33 or also see 37 now? I just want to know if it is a Firmware issue (which would be positive to see the satellite which will be the production one, and not the one which will go out of order), or if ESA changed something today accidently (possibly 33 doesn't send, as it was the case a few days ago for some minutes). I've seen 33 and 37 with 2.4, and still see them w/ 2.5 now. Today got solid lock first on 33, then on 39, but not on 37 (although it showed up w/ 1/2 strength). I'm located in Sofia, and one of the EGNOS base-stetions is here, so corrections are supposed to be of use Quote Link to comment
Rhialto Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 (edited) This email come from Garmin who was kind enough to pass the information received from SiRF. The latter is responsible for the GPS SW version. Thank you for contacting Garmin International, I got the following information from the engineers: Here is a list of firmware changes for units with a Sirf antenna. This is normally seen in the system menu of a device under GPS SW version. V2.20 is the production version, and at v2.50 a tunnel re-acquisition issue was solved, except on the Nuvi. Normally the GPS SW version is updated through Web Updater. Change History Version 2.50: 1. Improve tunnel re-acquisition problem. ------------------------------------------------------------ Change History Version 2.40: 1. Changes made for manufacturing purposes. ------------------------------------------------------------ Change History Version 2.30: 1. Changes made for manufacturing purposes. If you need additional assistance, please call our 800-800-1020 line during our regular business hours of 8:00 to 5:00 Central Time, Monday through Friday. Any one of our Technical Support staff would be happy to help you further. With Best Regards, Garmin International Senior Product Support Specialist 800-800-1020 913-397-8200 913-440-5488 (fax) http://www.garmin.com/ Edited May 13, 2006 by Rhialto Quote Link to comment
+rstickle Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 If you run Webupdater http://www.garmin.com/support/download_det...ct=999-99999-27 on your unit for the first time, it will probably load the same version as you already have. But if you run it once more again, it will load GPS SW 2.50 ! Really, it works ! THANK YOU!!!! I don't know how you figured that out though, Garmin sure has kept it a secret. Rick Quote Link to comment
+PhntmArcher Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 (edited) Is this true for the 76Cx as well? I have run the Updater, and I have 2.70 but still only 2.40. I am I missing something? Edited May 13, 2006 by PhntmArcher Quote Link to comment
+PhntmArcher Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Nevermind... Uninstalled WebUpdater and reinstalled. Ran twice as instructed and now have 2.70 and 2.50. Quote Link to comment
Hertzog Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Thank you for contacting Garmin International, I got the following information from the engineers: Here is a list of firmware changes for units with a Sirf antenna. This is normally seen in the system menu of a device under GPS SW version. V2.20 is the production version, and at v2.50 a tunnel re-acquisition issue was solved, except on the Nuvi. Normally the GPS SW version is updated through Web Updater. Change History Version 2.50: 1. Improve tunnel re-acquisition problem. I'm getting increasingly disappointed with Garmin engineering. Simple field tests make it clear that the tunnel problem has not been solved, or even improved. See http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=132404 Come on guys! You make great products, and problems like this are more annoying than they are critical. But take a unit outside and test it before you announce to the world that the problem is solved! Quote Link to comment
Rhialto Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Thank you for contacting Garmin International, I got the following information from the engineers: Here is a list of firmware changes for units with a Sirf antenna. This is normally seen in the system menu of a device under GPS SW version. V2.20 is the production version, and at v2.50 a tunnel re-acquisition issue was solved, except on the Nuvi. Normally the GPS SW version is updated through Web Updater. Change History Version 2.50: 1. Improve tunnel re-acquisition problem. I'm getting increasingly disappointed with Garmin engineering. Simple field tests make it clear that the tunnel problem has not been solved, or even improved. See http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=132404 Come on guys! You make great products, and problems like this are more annoying than they are critical. But take a unit outside and test it before you announce to the world that the problem is solved! I will modify my post to clarify this but that software comes from SiRF, the engi at Garmin only passed the information. Quote Link to comment
NewZealand Posted May 13, 2006 Author Share Posted May 13, 2006 (edited) It is true, that the tunnel reacquisition problem is not solved (I had it yesterday). However, I had it only because I forgot to turn off WAAS/EGNOS. Without WAAS it works fine. I'm in the EGNOS area, and EGNOS data are still in testmode by ESA and therefore are not used for position corrections in the Garmin units (they display only that the data are received). This may change during the year, when ESA goes productive with EGNOS, but even then for me this correction is useless, because these satellites are deep at the southern sky and I can see them not often. This may be different vor boat navigating or navigating in the flatlands. But people who use the units in the mountains or in cities should turn off WAAS/EGNOS, it's just a senseless overhead for the processor, and the unit is accurate enough without it (or do you need to land a jumbojet on a foggy airport?). Edited May 13, 2006 by NewZealand Quote Link to comment
Barrikady Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 Yesterday, 12 May, I upgraded the firmware to 2.71 beta. After reading this thread I checked to see what SW version I am running and it is 2.30. I ran the Web Updater and it said that the firmware was up to date, would I like to check and see if the SW was up to date? I clicked continue, and the Web Updater updated the SW to 2.5 and the firmware remained at 2.71. I'm a happy camper! Quote Link to comment
+birddog14 Posted May 13, 2006 Share Posted May 13, 2006 ok.......I went about 100 miles north west of Fort Worth thursday to go turkey hunting. I put my Gilsson antenna on and headed out.......I was showing 35 as a hollow bar about halfway up and STILL showing it in the east. Not for sure, but about half way out there (not sure because I wasn't really watching it...just letting it sit) I was getting a FULL bar for 35 and showing it in the west and the other 11 bars were all maxed out and showing Ds with 7 foot accuracy. Once I got there, I turned the unit off for about 1 minute and then turned it back on and it goes back to showing 35 in the east and a halfway full bar and no Ds..I was figuring that since I had just had it on for about 1.5 hours and showing 35 in the west that when I turned it back on it was still think it is in the same spot.......but If I let it sit there for a while it will show 35 in the west. Any ideas on what would cause this? Quote Link to comment
Hertzog Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Once I got there, I turned the unit off for about 1 minute and then turned it back on and it goes back to showing 35 in the east and a halfway full bar and no Ds..I was figuring that since I had just had it on for about 1.5 hours and showing 35 in the west that when I turned it back on it was still think it is in the same spot.......but If I let it sit there for a while it will show 35 in the west. Any ideas on what would cause this? For whatever reason the SiRF units go back to the default almanac values for the WAAS satellites whenever you turn them off or even go to "Use with GPS off" momentarily. Previous models always retained the most recent almanac data; not sure why they decided not to for the SiRF models. My theory has been that you need to get updated almanac data for 35 from another WAAS satellite before it will use correctional data from 35. Are you sure that you aren't able to see one of the other WAAS prior to getting D's from 35? If so, that means the unit is getting updated almanac data for 35 from some other source (maybe 35 itself). Hard for me to say here (in Los Angeles); 47 comes in here to strong for me to not see it for any length of time. Quote Link to comment
Hertzog Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I will modify my post to clarify this but that software comes from SiRF, the engi at Garmin only passed the information. I apologize for my previous response; it was a bit of a rant! Yes, I realize that Garmin is having to rely on SiRF to correct problems; it's probably frustrating for the Garmin technical staff not to be able to deal with problems directly, and I sympathize with them, having been in similar positions in the past myself. My main point was that as "prime contractor" on the unit, Garmin should do a bit of independent testing of solutions before declaring the problem resolved. Quote Link to comment
+birddog14 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I will modify my post to clarify this but that software comes from SiRF, the engi at Garmin only passed the information. I apologize for my previous response; it was a bit of a rant! Yes, I realize that Garmin is having to rely on SiRF to correct problems; it's probably frustrating for the Garmin technical staff not to be able to deal with problems directly, and I sympathize with them, having been in similar positions in the past myself. My main point was that as "prime contractor" on the unit, Garmin should do a bit of independent testing of solutions before declaring the problem resolved. my 60 csx is only picking up one waas bird (that I know of....I have not seen it pick up more than one waas bird since I have had it)..........35 my 60C and legend C both pick up 35 and 47 and show them in the west Quote Link to comment
+DustyWalker Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Thanks guys. I just updated the firmware to 2.70 yesterday but ran the updater again after reading this and now have software version 2.50 as well. Cool! Quote Link to comment
+S&G.Davison Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Has any one ever found a way to download the GPS SW versions ie the 2.4 / 2.5 stuff... Or can it only be done via webupdater ? Quote Link to comment
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