Tb's & Geocoins In Caches

[+scaw]

now this isnt aimed at anyone.........

 

when you go to a cache and find it has TB's and geocoins in ............. just for arguments sake.......... 10 TB's and 10 geocoins do you think its acceptable to take all the coins and TB's out or do you think its better just to remove 1.

[Deego]

So many factors

 

How long have they been there, can I help with the goals of the TB's , do I need the 200 pts for CoTM etc

 

Its a tough call, I would not take all 20 though

[The Royles]

I say take them all if you can help them.

 

The idea is for them to move, so keep them moving.

[+The Bolas Heathens]

Travel Bugs are meant to travel - if I could help with all of the missions I'd take them and move them on as soon as I could as appropriate.

 

If it's a TB or Geocoin Hotel then I would not take them all, even if I could help with all of the missions as I don't like to see a Hotel with no residents.

 

I know I'd rather see my own TB's moving than sat around in a cache somewhere.

Edited May 3, 2006 by The Bolas Heathens

[markandlynn]

 

If it's a TB or Geocoin Hotel then I would not take them all, even if I could help with all of the missions as I don't like to see a Hotel with no residents.

 

 

But what if the one you leave is the same one everyone else leaves its like creating a TB prison.

 

As for the OP

I would probably take as many as i could help move on within the next week.

[+BlueDeuce]

If you can help them, move them.

[+The Golem]

now this isnt aimed at anyone.........

 

when you go to a cache and find it has TB's and geocoins in ............. just for arguments sake.......... 10 TB's and 10 geocoins do you think its acceptable to take all the coins and TB's out or do you think its better just to remove 1.

 

What would you prefer?

[+Ashaaria]

Maybe one or two, but certainly not all of them.

 

This happened to one of my caches in recent weeks, it had a both a coin and a TB in it and one cacher who i'm too polite to name and shame, took the coin, the TB (which incidently hasn't been logged out online depsite me emailing them asking them to do so) and took half of the swaps from the cache replacing them with putting it politely - TAT.

 

Needless to say i'm more than a little miffed about it.

Edited May 3, 2006 by Ashaaria

[+Cryptik Souls Crew]

I would say it was acceptable to take as many or as few as you please. I have emptied out a TB hotel before, and within a month or so many of the TBs I moved had made it to different countries, I would have no qualms about doing it again.

 

Everyone always seems to say "if you can help with its mission then its ok." The way I see it their primary mission is to travel, people (wrongly) assume that if they are heading in the opposite direction to a bug's goal then moving it will hinder its progress. The sidestep you give to a bug might save it from a cache which is about to be muggled, or drop it right into the path of someone going exactly where the bug needs to go.

 

My pet hate is when someone sets up a TB/coin hotel and then states that you cannot move all the bugs, or you have to swap 1 for 1 etc. Bit cheeky to try and impose trading rules on other peoples coins and bugs.

[+currykev]

Take as many as you can re-distribute.Taking all TBs if there are 10 would seem a little greedy though.Remember some people might plan their weekend caches around a TB collection.

[+4 Badgers]

now this isnt aimed at anyone.........

 

when you go to a cache and find it has TB's and geocoins in ............. just for arguments sake.......... 10 TB's and 10 geocoins do you think its acceptable to take all the coins and TB's out or do you think its better just to remove 1.

 

Personally - and I have to say I'm still new to this - I'd only take TBs and / or Geocoins out of a cache if I had every intention of moving them on asap - and then it would make sense to distribute them as evenly as possible.

[+The Bolas Heathens]

I might miss it, but then again so might other cachers. In the grand scheme of things, it's unlikely that one TB will be left in a cache that has a reasonably high TB throughput for long.

 

But what if the one you leave is the same one everyone else leaves its like creating a TB prison.

Edited May 3, 2006 by The Bolas Heathens

[+Moote]

I personally think CoTM encourages this multi take activity, I don't believe in having a TB prison, but a TB can encourage other cachers along to the cache.

 

I never raid for TB's in fact these days I rarely take TB's at all.

[+civilised]

I agree with Moote about TBs - but to be honest , if I was lucky enough to find 20 iconable geocoins in a cache, whose icons I didn't already have - then yes, I would take them all.

 

On the other hand, it's hard enough to find one coin per cache round here

 

civilised

[nobby.nobbs]

not from a tb hotel obviously but otherwise as long as they will get moved on quickly then got for it. the removing half the swaps and leaving tat not excusable.

[+Chaotica_UK]

Normally I would only swap a TB or geocoin if I had another to replace it, unless the TB / coin owner had specified something different or if it had been trapped in a rarely visited cache.

 

What really alloys me is when a new cache is set up with TBs and coins to attract visitors and the FTF plunders everything in sight and leaves nothing.

 

Typically if I want the icon for a coin I cant swap because I dont have enough items then I simply log the coin out and in of the cache and leave it for the next person to collect as an incentive.

[+Alibags]

TBs and coins are not 'loot' take as many as you like, leave them if you dont want to take them.

 

[takes deep breath]the only person's rules that apply are the TB owner other cachers, the cache owner, the posters on this forum, etc can all be completely ignored if you like.

 

Swiping decent swaps and leaving tat is naughty though. Mind you, on a new cache of mine I have just had a "took 'x', left TB" log. I am not sure if I can be bothered to email the cacher to let them know what they are doing wrong. I have done it so often, and yet all my caches still seem to end up full of tat in the end

Edited May 4, 2006 by Alibags

[+Happy Humphrey]

Alibags is right (again).

 

Even if the cache owner has set up a TB Hotel with a rule that a certain number of bugs must stay in the hotel, I think it's fine to clear it out (obviously, I'm assuming you intend to move them all on quickly and make a log entry the same day).

 

The bugs/coins aren't the property of the cache owner, and they are meant to travel - not languish in a cache to try and attract visitors.

 

It would be nice to drop some coins or bugs in at the same time, but you don't have to swap trackables and I don't think anyone should be reprimanded for helping travelling items travel.

 

HH

[+Mr'D]

My pet hate is when someone sets up a TB/coin hotel and then states that you cannot move all the bugs, or you have to swap 1 for 1 etc. Bit cheeky to try and impose trading rules on other peoples coins and bugs.

Totally agree.

 

I think a TB Hotel cache is a little different from others, it's main aim being to assist TB's in moving on and not a cache for it's own sake.

 

Jon

 

edited for typo

Edited May 4, 2006 by The Dewdrops

[+Bambi&Thumper]

TBs and coins are not 'loot' take as many as you like, leave them if you dont want to take them.

 

[takes deep breath]the only person's rules that apply are the TB owner other cachers, the cache owner, the posters on this forum, etc can all be completely ignored if you like.

 

Swiping decent swaps and leaving tat is naughty though.

 

What she said

 

But in general, we always try to leave a cache in a better state than it was when we found it. If we can improve the camo, we do; we try to leave a coin or TB in most caches we visit, and we often top up the swaps though we rarely take anything (other than travellers). It's our way of saying TFTC and contibuting to the game, especially since we are not great cache setters.

 

Bambi.

 

Edited to add:

 

My pet hate is when someone sets up a TB/coin hotel and then states that you cannot move all the bugs, or you have to swap 1 for 1 etc. Bit cheeky to try and impose trading rules on other peoples coins and bugs.

 

What he said too

Edited May 4, 2006 by Bambi&Thumper

[+rutson]

Hmmmm... so people who can't log the same day shouldn't take travel bugs? That seems rather daft HH.

[+Happy Humphrey]

so people who can't log the same day shouldn't take travel bugs?

That's not quite what I said. If you take them all, it's polite to warn people that the cache is empty of bugs.

 

Obviously, if the cache is not empty of bugs it's not so urgent.

 

HH

[+lathama]

take some leave some. dont empty the lot

[+Alibags]

Sorry, but you can take the lot if you want to.

 

That's the 'rules' the rest is just 'etiquette'

[+Moote]

Sorry, but you can take the lot if you want to.

 

That's the 'rules' the rest is just 'etiquette'

But this is the attitude that CoTM has made, and therefore it is just plain unfair that CoTM encourages this Multi Grab attitude.

[Deego]

So it encourages TB's to be moved ??

 

Isnt that the point of them?

[+Alibags]

Sorry, but you can take the lot if you want to.

 

That's the 'rules' the rest is just 'etiquette'

But this is the attitude that CoTM has made, and therefore it is just plain unfair that CoTM encourages this Multi Grab attitude.

 

Does it? I dont always take all the TBs from caches, and yet I always enter COTM.

 

Attitude? what's attitude got to do with it? See my comment about rules versus etiquette. I would be inclined to lump attitude in the latter category.

[+Mr'D]

The TB owner owns the TB, and the cache owner owns the cache.

 

TB Hotels - should be prepared to accept and loose TB's without restriction (not one for one)... they should exist solely for the TB's

benefit.

 

Regular caches - depends on the cache owners requirements, which should be made clear on the cache page.

 

That's how I see it anyway.

 

Jon

[+Moote]

Sorry, but you can take the lot if you want to.

 

That's the 'rules' the rest is just 'etiquette'

But this is the attitude that CoTM has made, and therefore it is just plain unfair that CoTM encourages this Multi Grab attitude.

 

Does it? I dont always take all the TBs from caches, and yet I always enter COTM.

 

Attitude? what's attitude got to do with it? See my comment about rules versus etiquette. I would be inclined to lump attitude in the latter category.

Some cachers just take TB as a fairly easy way of amassing a high number of points in CoTM; I think moving a trinket or teddy on in it's journey is in no way worth the points CoTM awards, but because every TB moved on gains the person 10 whole points it is encouraging greed amongst some.

 

This is my point on rules verses etiquette, for some there is no etiquette.

[+Mr'D]

Some cachers just take TB as a fairly easy way of amassing a high number of points in CoTM

You are not shy..

 

Names?????

 

[+Alibags]

Moote, if you feel strongly about this, I suggest a new topic for it. However, I suspect that the outcome will be the same as last time you aired your opions upon this matter... actually, come to think of it, as mine are unchanged since last time this TB subject came up!

[+The Hokesters]

Round and round we go - where we stop, nobody knows.

[+Chaotica_UK]

[+Alibags]

LOL at Hokesters. I think a few of us could hazard a pretty good guess.

[+Hi-Tek]

What's CoTM Some TB charity or something.

[+Haggis Hunter]

What's CoTM Some TB charity or something.

It stands for Cacher of the Month. Something which it would appear moote doesn't participate in, so it does make me wonder why he makes a fuss over the rules?

 

It should be noted that it is just for fun, but a lot of people take it extremely seriously and finger pointing happens when there are scores that others don't like to see?

 

I did stop entering when Deego organised it, as I didn't like the way someone accumulated their numbers, but I realise now that I was just being silly and have started entering again.

[team tisri]

I wouldn't take all 20 items from a cache but on one occasion I found a coin, a Jeep and a TB in one cache and took them all (and dropped the Jeep ready for the guy who missed it by hours to collect). Another time (very recently) I took both coins from a cache because I wanted the icons - both coins should be on the move within a week or so of grabbing them.

 

I don't really see it as being any different to going from cache to cache picking up coins and TBs - in the past I've seen patterns that look almost like one cacher is following another collecting all the bugs and coins they leave behind.

[+CrazyL200]

If there's TBs in a cache that I can help along I'll take them, but if there's a few, I'll usually leave some behind for following cachers to help out. If I'm not sure I can help, I definatley leave them, just incase my future caching plans don't work for the TBs.

 

I must admit to doing an emptying raid on a TB hotel, only because it was near an airport and I was going in the right direction for the TBs in it and most of them had been stuck there for a while.

 

I'm just about to set up a TB hotel - no restrictions at all, just use it to help TBs on their way, after all, a lot of human hotels can be empty at times.