dfred Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 I'm preparing to submit recoveries for several steel rod benchmarks in my area. I read through the NGS FAQ topic and it seems the criteria for "Poor" mostly refer to things that could happen to disks rather than steel rod benchmarks. For all the submissions I'm preparing the rods themselves appear to be fine, but the access covers have experienced varying degrees of damage and in one case it is missing. Below are a few specific cases... Would any of these be grounds for submitting the recovery as poor? 1) Cover missing 2) Cover hinge completely broken and cover detached but still present. Retained only by gravity. 3) Cover hinge partially broken/bent. Cover still attached but refuses close fully even after cleaning. Quote Link to comment
2oldfarts (the rockhounders) Posted March 19, 2006 Share Posted March 19, 2006 Since the actual benchmark is the dimple in the top of the rod, you would need to determine if anything has change in relation to that point. John Quote Link to comment
+Black Dog Trackers Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 (edited) dfred - I don't know the answer to your question, but I wanted to mention that we discussed rod-type recovery photos and the optimum was 3 photos, the 'distant' photo with the rod-cover visible with background items, a closeup photo of the rod mark's designation on the rim of the hole, and a photo of the rod with the cover open. My inclination on rod rating is to say the mark is in good condition no matter what the condition of the rim and cover. It could be that the NGS would like it reported POOR if the cover is completely gone, but the condition rating seems to be geared toward the station's usability, and the usability doesn't depend on the existence of the cover. It is probably likely that rods are somewhat more safe from environmental damage than disks, but unfortunately it is more difficult to tell whether or not the rod's position has been compromised. Someone found a rod actually canted over and that one probably should be reported as poor. Hopefully someone from the NGS will weigh in on this excellent question. You could also email Deb with your question and share her answer here. Edited March 20, 2006 by Black Dog Trackers Quote Link to comment
Z15 Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Would any of these be grounds for submitting the recovery as poor? No Quote Link to comment
ArtMan Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Someone found a rod actually canted over and that one probably should be reported as poor. Some time back I found one of these stations where the rod was off-center, perhaps by as much as an inch. I don't recall when or where it was, so I can't cite the particular station. It was not obvious to me at the time whether the position of the rod had shifted or the position of the sleeve surrounding the station had shifted, or if the rod was never properly centered in the first place. I don't recall if I reported it to NGS, but if I did I think I reported it as being in good condition with a note explaining the off-center position. I'm not in a position to know the significance of the off-center rod, but I did want it on record. -ArtMan- Quote Link to comment
caseyb Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 The NGS report pertains only to the status of the mark itself.... not the covering. So long as the mark (in this case a rod) appears in good condition, it should be reported as in good condition. For extra credit, you can put a note in the text area of the recovery log that the cover is damaged. -Casey- Quote Link to comment
dfred Posted March 20, 2006 Author Share Posted March 20, 2006 Makes perfect sense, but figured I should ask... Thanks for the info everybody! Quote Link to comment
joegeodesist Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 Location, Location, Location. I interpret "condition" to mean is it stable and probably unmoved from the surveyed position? Loss of cap is mostly cosmetic, but if the mark is tilted or crushed by heavy machinery or whacked by those evil lawnmowers, then it is possibly POOR. A judgement call. And a civic note, if leaving these "mini manholes" uncovered or rods projecting could be dangerous (in a public park, horse trail, etc.) please consider notifying the landowner &/or making it safe. Noting that in a recovery is insufficient and sets U.S. up for a lawsuit. Quote Link to comment
+BuckBrooke Posted March 20, 2006 Share Posted March 20, 2006 In response to Joe's comment, I know that some folks will rebury a disk if it would cause trouble unburied. Would a similar approach for a rod station with no lid, filling it with dirt to level, be vastly inappropriate? Quote Link to comment
joegeodesist Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Good question -- A judgement call. We do NOT want the mark to accumulate water which can frost-jack, so definitely NO non-porous soil or clay. Dry sand would be a slight annoyance to the surveyor but not too problematic; balance that annoyance against whatever danger the "open manhole" presents. You can also affect a makeshift cover with a conspicuous rock or handy piece of trash. Quote Link to comment
+McMurdo1 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Good question -- A judgement call. We do NOT want the mark to accumulate water which can frost-jack, so definitely NO non-porous soil or clay. Dry sand would be a slight annoyance to the surveyor but not too problematic; balance that annoyance against whatever danger the "open manhole" presents. You can also affect a makeshift cover with a conspicuous rock or handy piece of trash. Well I couldn't come up with anything that would really protedt JM0354 being as it is now in the middle of a parking area. I found an old rag to put over the rod and filled the hole with the asphault grindings the rest of the area is covered in. I also buried what is left of the witness post across the top of the marker. Quote Link to comment
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