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Did anyone pay for these coins via U.S. Mail or were they all paid for via paypal?

 

 

Yup, mailed a check way back in November.

 

If you received a reciept in the mail, then he may well be guilty of mail fraud...a felony, unless "The Firm" is incorrect... :rolleyes:

 

Jamie

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Yup,

I got a receipt on Nov 14, 2005..........4 months ago......time flies, doesn't it?

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I contacted the personal at the Post Office and if money was used to purchase the coins or the individual collected shipping fees to pay for the coins via U.S. Mail than there is a report that can be made for fraud at this point. Is that really the direction that this needs to go?

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I wondered about this too, and I also think that since he collected money over the internet he's violated some federal regulations... I'm no legal expert, but how are you going to pursue it if we can't find him???

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I would imagine it will be his last as I don't think many are going to ever work with him again. This has been a total joke.

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Still ZERO coins today here in the Carolinas. :rolleyes:

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Nothing in Indiana either.... Sure wish I could find one that he put out as a traveler... I'd keep it!

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You know that they were made, so why not ship them?

Maybe he is going to sell them again!?

 

I wonder if any will start showing up on eBay for sale?

 

If they do, someone should contact the bidders and let them know what's going on.

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I would imagine it will be his last as I don't think many are going to ever work with him again. This has been a total joke.

 

Let's see...he placed it in a cache on 2/15. Now, it's 3/20, and none of the paying customers have this da#* coin yet.

 

Yeah, he might as well call this his first and last coin.

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I guess if I don't see anything by the end of this week I'll have to submit a report through Paypal. This is really very disturbing!!

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I kept thinking I had bought this coin. Since I am from Utah and have been to WY many times, this is one I really wanted. Looking back on paypal, I could not find a payment for one.

 

That being said, if/when these ship, could anyone with an extra and want to trade let me know.

 

thanks,

 

nielsenc

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I guess if I don't see anything by the end of this week I'll have to submit a report through Paypal. This is really very disturbing!!

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You'll probably get the same reponse from Paypal.

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You'll probably get the same reponse from Paypal.

 

Well, I guess I also have to option of going to the post office. Maybe we'll see these coins by the end of the week, but I am kinda doubting it. I am starting to think it was never really the intent to make and distribute these coins.

 

Is it a possibility to find out where they were suppose to be minted to find out if they were even made?

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They were made. There have been pics and a few activated.

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I am going to give the guy until the 27th (1 week) like I told him today and if coins haven't made it to the purchasers then I think it is time for action. He did contact me today and I told the coin creator that I would give him a week - but that is ALL that I will wait.

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I was told by the man himself that my 60 or so coins that I paid for back in November shipped Friday the 17th of March. I'll post back in a few days with an update.

 

The 45 day rule that paypal has is unfortunate... I wasn't aware of that one until tonight.

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I was told by the man himself that my 60 or so coins that I paid for back in November shipped Friday the 17th of March.

 

But then, someone else was told "by the man himself" that the coins were all mailed out on March 1st. :P:ph34r::D

 

I'll believe they've been mailed when mine show up in my mailbox.

 

Windrose

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Man this reaaaally stinks. I've had a 3-coin trade pending on this coin since November. :D

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I kept thinking I had bought this coin. Since I am from Utah and have been to WY many times, this is one I really wanted. Looking back on paypal, I could not find a payment for one.

 

That being said, if/when these ship, could anyone with an extra and want to trade let me know.

 

thanks,

 

nielsenc

 

IGYB

 

--Marky

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The 45 day rule that paypal has is unfortunate... I wasn't aware of that one until tonight.

 

Althought there is this rule, if enough people complain, I believe it will still have some effect.

 

--Marky

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The 45 day rule that paypal has is unfortunate... I wasn't aware of that one until tonight.

 

Althought there is this rule, if enough people complain, I believe it will still have some effect.

 

--Marky

 

It will because his account gets flagged a bunch. It happened in another hobby I used to participate in and the folks ended up in jail with huge fines to repay the money to buyers.

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The 45 day rule that paypal has is unfortunate... I wasn't aware of that one until tonight.

 

Althought there is this rule, if enough people complain, I believe it will still have some effect.

 

--Marky

 

It will because his account gets flagged a bunch. It happened in another hobby I used to participate in and the folks ended up in jail with huge fines to repay the money to buyers.

 

However, I'm not going to do this because, like Kealia, I believe that the cacher does intend to ship out the coins to everyone. I am a glass half full type though...

 

--Marky

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Yikes! I'm glad I didn't buy this one. You migh also try getting the charges reversed through your CC company if that was the source of funds used to make the purchase. (Though at this point, it may be too late for that too!)

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However, I'm not going to do this because, like Kealia, I believe that the cacher does intend to ship out the coins to everyone. I am a glass half full type though...

 

--Marky

 

I believed that too until it was stated by the person who had the coin developed that they were mailed out several weeks ago but yet not one coin has been received anywhere in the US. Since there have been no updates or responses here since, I can only assume that this whole thing has been some kinda elaborate hoax. No one knows for sure how many coins were minted or where, maybe only a couple were done for appearances? :anibad: I forget the exact price paid on my Paypal invoice, but you have to figure say a rough number like $6 x 500 coins gives you $3,000. That is a LOT dough and a lot of OPM! At best case this is a horrible example of how to execute a coin sale responsibly, and on the worst we've just simply been had! :laughing:

 

Its really unfortunate, other than this I've had very good experiences with fellow geocachers who have worked up coins!

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You know that they were made, so why not ship them?

Maybe he is going to sell them again!?

 

I wonder if any will start showing up on eBay for sale?

 

If they do, someone should contact the bidders and let them know what's going on.

 

No, you shouldn't contact the bidders... You should contact Ebay and let them know. They'll pull the auction.

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Obviously Ross knows this discussion is going on, and he has logged in recently. Keeping quiet without a peep on this forum to me shows this whole thing was a scam from the start. Either that, or he has to be the most irresponsible person ever not to take all these complaints seriously.

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Also, you might want to contact the cable company, Charter, as it looks like that is who he uses for internet service. I'm sure they won't like to hear about him using their service for fraud.

 

I've had to deal with a few frauds and have learned that idle threats do nothing. You need to follow through with what is said, try to personally contact the person(via phone), etc...

 

When you start mentioning the AG, Mail Fraud, FBI, etc they tend to get more co-operative.

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Legally and technically there is no statute of limitations on fraud, independent of any Paypal rules, and a small claims lawsuit (class action?) could be taken up. The nice thing about ligitation in the digital age is that there is an electronic record of the emails that were sent to him, along with this forum, recording people's complaint. There also would be a "record" of a sense that he did little effort to rectify the situation by either not responding to complaints addressed to him personally or this forum. I order the coins through a third party (coin group), which would amount to a good chunk of change.

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Posting a picture of the receipt or something would be a nice little gesture to show some proof.

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We’re in for four of these coins. I’m willing to give the sender until the 1st of April to respond or have the coins in my hand. After that I will file a complaint with Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) at http://www.ic3.gov/ . I would recommend that everyone follow this path. IC3 is a joint operation with the FBI and National White Collar Crime Center.

 

Thanks

Mr & Mrs Smith

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As of today, all coins have been shipped.

 

Ok... writing this date down, along w/ the other dates he claims to have mailed stuff.... We'll see..... :laughing:

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Did he ever receive the second box of coins or were they really lost?

 

Yes, they arrived on 2/28 when he was on vacation.

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I emailed Ross last night to ask about my group order for PCC, since I paid out a few hundred dollars for Wyoming coins. I also touched on a few topics covered here, and requested a firm ship date for my large order.

 

He hasn't emailed me back (Bullitt clearly had better luck for GBA), but I see Ross did make a brief appearance here today with a mailing claim. I would have preferred the courtesy of a direct response to acknowledge my concern and confirm the mailing, but we'll see what happens. I better have the full order in my hands by Saturday....

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He's also gone through his personally owned and activated Wyoming geocoins and removed the notes from people wanting their geocoins... HMmmm...

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I also got an email response from Ross yesterday saying that 1/2 the coins went out by Monday and the other 1/2 on Tuesday. Then he left the note above today saying that the rest went out today.

 

I guess that gives about 2-4 days to see if he is truthful. :laughing:

 

I guess I'm a little like Marky, I also see the glass as half full :anibad:.

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I thought they went out weeks ago?

 

He fibbed.

 

Seems easy for him unfortunately.... Which is worse fibbing/lying or telling us nothing? Sad that his reputation is being totally ruined by this. :laughing:

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The sad thing is he activated some before he ever sent the ones out that he owed people. Really hope they were mailed this time...

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We’re in for four of these coins. I’m willing to give the sender until the 1st of April to respond or have the coins in my hand. After that I will file a complaint with Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) at http://www.ic3.gov/ . I would recommend that everyone follow this path. IC3 is a joint operation with the FBI and National White Collar Crime Center.

 

Thanks

Mr & Mrs Smith

1 April seems like more than a fair date. I believe Mr. Smith knows what he's talking about.

 

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