Scoring your finds

18.9k · December 9, 2005

For What it is worth:

Analysis of file C:\fizzy\359838.gpx

235 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.58

Avg. Terrain = 1.50

Avg. Challenge = 1.76

25 hard caches (11%)

1 countries

9 US states

Difficulty:

1.0: 101 (43.0%)

1.5: 42 (17.9%)

2.0: 63 (26.8%)

2.5: 14 ( 6.0%)

3.0: 13 ( 5.5%)

3.5: 1 ( 0.4%)

4.5: 1 ( 0.4%)

Terrain:

1.0: 114 (48.5%)

1.5: 54 (23.0%)

2.0: 39 (16.6%)

2.5: 15 ( 6.4%)

3.0: 10 ( 4.3%)

3.5: 1 ( 0.4%)

4.0: 1 ( 0.4%)

5.0: 1 ( 0.4%)

Cache types:

2 ( 0.9%) Cache In Trash Out Event

1 ( 0.4%) Earthcache

8 ( 3.4%) Event Cache

1 ( 0.4%) Letterbox Hybrid

3 ( 1.3%) Multi-cache

204 (86.8%) Traditional Cache

2 ( 0.9%) Unknown Cache

14 ( 6.0%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

49 (20.9%) Micro

11 ( 4.7%) Not chosen

17 ( 7.2%) Other

129 (54.9%) Regular

17 ( 7.2%) Small

12 ( 5.1%) Virtual

Countries:

235 in United States

US States:

2 in Arizona

29 in Colorado

1 in Iowa

110 in Nebraska

7 in Nevada

2 in North Dakota

15 in South Dakota

3 in Utah

66 in Wyoming

1.5k · December 9, 2005

When I try to run my "FOUND.GPX" generated from GSAK thru it the program laughs at me and asks me if I should send my shame to someone at Microsoft for debugging.

I had to get my "found.gpx" from Groundspeaks to get anything meaningfull.

I wonder of this could be done with a GSAK macro?

Analysis of file E:\Geocaching\PocketPC\found.gpx

1389 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.67

Avg. Terrain = 1.54

Avg. Challenge = 1.86

181 hard caches (13%)

2 countries

4 US states

Difficulty:

1.0: 446 (32.1%)

1.5: 409 (29.4%)

2.0: 319 (23.0%)

2.5: 103 ( 7.4%)

3.0: 75 ( 5.4%)

3.5: 20 ( 1.4%)

4.0: 13 ( 0.9%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.1%)

5.0: 2 ( 0.1%)

Terrain:

1.0: 588 (42.3%)

1.5: 422 (30.4%)

2.0: 207 (14.9%)

2.5: 81 ( 5.8%)

3.0: 63 ( 4.5%)

3.5: 13 ( 0.9%)

4.0: 6 ( 0.4%)

5.0: 9 ( 0.6%)

Cache types:

2 ( 0.1%) Cache In Trash Out Event

1 ( 0.1%) Earthcache

45 ( 3.2%) Event Cache

1 ( 0.1%) Letterbox Hybrid

4 ( 0.3%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

74 ( 5.3%) Multi-cache

1 ( 0.1%) Project APE Cache

1197 (86.2%) Traditional Cache

38 ( 2.7%) Unknown Cache

22 ( 1.6%) Virtual Cache

4 ( 0.3%) Webcam Cache

Containers:

9 ( 0.6%) Large

439 (31.6%) Micro

74 ( 5.3%) Not chosen

35 ( 2.5%) Other

724 (52.1%) Regular

85 ( 6.1%) Small

23 ( 1.7%) Virtual

Countries:

2 in Canada

1383 in United States

US States:

6 in Idaho

1 in Louisiana

74 in Oregon

1302 in Washington

December 9, 2005

Overall the numbers are lower than I would have thought. I wonder, though, if this is symptomatic of caching habits or a reflection of the caches available. I say we run the numbers for all active caches and see what we get. :laughing:

11.3k · December 9, 2005

My terrain numbers are lower than I would like, but it gets so hot here in the summer that I can't do any long hikes, which are my preferred caches.

My overall numbers might not be much higher in a few months, but I hope the terrain average will have increased because it is possible to hike again, or will be on non-rainy days. :laughing:

3.9k · December 9, 2005

Checking my earlier postings... I have 128 T3+ caches, which leaves over 1100 caches T2.5 and lower. Rounding off, thats 1 in 10 are of a higher terrain level.

8k · December 9, 2005

I wonder of this could be done with a GSAK macro?

I have a GSAK macro that does the same but it is awfully slow, so here is one that takes your current filter set and runs fizzymagic's program

##############################################################
## GSAK Macro to dump current filter set to GPX, then open
## the GPX in fizzymagic's FindStats program and display the
## results.
##############################################################
DEBUG Status=Off

# Set Default Path to FindStats.  If it's not there, check to see
# if we've previously saved it, and read it from there. If it's
# not saved, ask the user where it is, test it, and save it if
# the file exists.  If not, cancel because we're screwed
SET $DefaultPath="C:\Program Files\fizzymagic\"
IF .NOT. (FileExists($DefaultPath + "FindStats.exe"))
SET $DataPath=$_Install + "\Macros\GPX-FindStats.dat"
IF (FileExists($DataPath))
 SET $DefaultPath=GETFILE($DataPath)
 IF Left($DefaultPath, 7) = "*Error*"
 	CANCEL Msg="$DefaultPath"
 ENDIF
ENDIF
IF .NOT. (FileExists($DefaultPath + "FindStats.exe"))
 INPUT Msg="Enter the full path (drive + directory + trailing \) that contains FindStats.exe." Default="$DefaultPath" VarName=$UserPath
 IF .NOT. (FileExists($UserPath + "FindStats.exe"))
 	CANCEL Msg="FindStats.exe still not found. Check the path and try again."
 ENDIF
 SET $DefaultPath=$UserPath
 SET $Error=PUTFILE($DataPath, $DefaultPath)
 IF Left($Error, 7) = "*Error*"
 	PAUSE Msg = "$Error"
 ENDIF
ENDIF
ENDIF
SET $FullPath=$DefaultPath + "FindStats.exe"

# Filename to export
SET $GPXFile=$DefaultPath + "FromGSAK.GPX"
SET $ResultsFile=$DefaultPath + "FromGSAK.GPX.dat"

# Export to GPX
EXPORT Type="GPX" File="$GPXFile"

# Did the export go OK?
IF .NOT. FileExists($GPXFile)
   CANCEL Msg="Export failed. You probably need to set some default values in the File\Export\GPX/LOC File... dialog."
ENDIF

# Run FindStats with GPX file as argument
RUNPGM Pgm="$FullPath" Parms="$GPXFile" Wait=Yes

# Open results
RUNPGM Pgm="Notepad" Parms="$ResultsFile"

8k · December 9, 2005

I didn't expect this

My finds excluding events and CITO

1712 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.77

Avg. Terrain = 1.71

Avg. Challenge = 2.08

406 hard caches (24%)

1 countries

4 US states

1000 closest non-archived (includes disabled) caches (excluding events, CITO and locationless)

1000 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.73

Avg. Terrain = 1.71

Avg. Challenge = 2.05

235 hard caches (24%)

1 countries

1 US states

I thought I did a lot more difficult caches than other people around here (and perhaps I do) but it looks like the caches I do are roughly in the same proportion as the caches available for me to do.

December 9, 2005

This is a hoot.

Proof that Houston is flat and urban:

FOUND:

1397 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.61

Avg. Terrain = 1.50

Avg. Challenge = 1.76

154 hard caches (11%)

1 countries

7 US states

342 (24.5%) archived

Oldest cache: #515 (GC203)

Newest cache: #312748 (GCR97J)

Difficulty:

1.0: 535 (38.3%)

1.5: 375 (26.8%)

2.0: 287 (20.5%)

2.5: 96 ( 6.9%)

3.0: 72 ( 5.2%)

3.5: 18 ( 1.3%)

4.0: 12 ( 0.9%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.1%)

Terrain:

1.0: 666 (47.7%)

1.5: 345 (24.7%)

2.0: 226 (16.2%)

2.5: 85 ( 6.1%)

3.0: 47 ( 3.4%)

3.5: 20 ( 1.4%)

4.0: 7 ( 0.5%)

5.0: 1 ( 0.1%)

Cache types:

1 ( 0.1%) Event Cache

4 ( 0.3%) Letterbox Hybrid

105 ( 7.5%) Multi-cache

1134 (81.2%) Traditional Cache

45 ( 3.2%) Unknown Cache

108 ( 7.7%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

9 ( 0.6%) Large

412 (29.5%) Micro

66 ( 4.7%) Not chosen

64 ( 4.6%) Other

622 (44.5%) Regular

138 ( 9.9%) Small

86 ( 6.2%) Virtual

Countries:

1397 in United States

US States:

1 in Arizona

3 in Louisiana

15 in Nevada

15 in North Carolina

11 in Pennsylvania

1344 in Texas

8 in Virginia

HOUSTON:

Avg. Difficulty = 1.66

Avg. Terrain = 1.45

Avg. Challenge = 1.78

72 hard caches (14%)

1 countries

1 US states

0 (0.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #2240 (GC8C0)

Newest cache: #321749 (GCRJJY)

Difficulty:

1.0: 192 (38.4%)

1.5: 141 (28.2%)

2.0: 84 (16.8%)

2.5: 26 ( 5.2%)

3.0: 35 ( 7.0%)

3.5: 10 ( 2.0%)

4.0: 5 ( 1.0%)

4.5: 5 ( 1.0%)

5.0: 2 ( 0.4%)

Terrain:

1.0: 228 (45.6%)

1.5: 169 (33.8%)

2.0: 63 (12.6%)

2.5: 16 ( 3.2%)

3.0: 16 ( 3.2%)

3.5: 6 ( 1.2%)

4.0: 1 ( 0.2%)

5.0: 1 ( 0.2%)

Cache types:

2 ( 0.4%) Event Cache

1 ( 0.2%) Letterbox Hybrid

1 ( 0.2%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

41 ( 8.2%) Multi-cache

353 (70.6%) Traditional Cache

74 (14.8%) Unknown Cache

28 ( 5.6%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

3 ( 0.6%) Large

181 (36.2%) Micro

28 ( 5.6%) Not chosen

21 ( 4.2%) Other

165 (33.0%) Regular

78 (15.6%) Small

24 ( 4.8%) Virtual

And proof that I can't find hard caches or solve puzzles:

CLOSEST UNFOUND:

Avg. Difficulty = 2.02

Avg. Terrain = 1.86

Avg. Challenge = 2.26

136 hard caches (27%)

1 countries

1 US states

0 (0.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #1180 (GC49C)

Newest cache: #321749 (GCRJJY)

Difficulty:

1.0: 103 (20.6%)

1.5: 128 (25.6%)

2.0: 125 (25.0%)

2.5: 34 ( 6.8%)

3.0: 69 (13.8%)

3.5: 12 ( 2.4%)

4.0: 13 ( 2.6%)

4.5: 6 ( 1.2%)

5.0: 10 ( 2.0%)

Terrain:

1.0: 108 (21.6%)

1.5: 211 (42.2%)

2.0: 91 (18.2%)

2.5: 25 ( 5.0%)

3.0: 24 ( 4.8%)

3.5: 8 ( 1.6%)

4.0: 4 ( 0.8%)

4.5: 1 ( 0.2%)

5.0: 28 ( 5.6%)

Cache types:

2 ( 0.4%) Event Cache

2 ( 0.4%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

43 ( 8.6%) Multi-cache

315 (63.0%) Traditional Cache

134 (26.8%) Unknown Cache

1 ( 0.2%) Virtual Cache

3 ( 0.6%) Webcam Cache

Containers:

3 ( 0.6%) Large

162 (32.4%) Micro

22 ( 4.4%) Not chosen

8 ( 1.6%) Other

187 (37.4%) Regular

115 (23.0%) Small

3 ( 0.6%) Virtual

December 9, 2005

Overall the numbers are lower than I would have thought. I wonder, though, if this is symptomatic of caching habits or a reflection of the caches available. I say we run the numbers for all active caches and see what we get.

Ran the numbers for the closest 500 caches to my house.

500 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.84

Avg. Terrain = 1.71

Avg. Challenge = 2.06

102 hard caches (20%)

1 countries

2 US states

Difficulty:

1.0: 113 (22.6%)

1.5: 143 (28.6%)

2.0: 128 (25.6%)

2.5: 58 (11.6%)

3.0: 33 ( 6.6%)

3.5: 17 ( 3.4%)

4.0: 5 ( 1.0%)

4.5: 1 ( 0.2%)

5.0: 2 ( 0.4%)

Terrain:

1.0: 178 (35.6%)

1.5: 136 (27.2%)

2.0: 91 (18.2%)

2.5: 42 ( 8.4%)

3.0: 29 ( 5.8%)

3.5: 11 ( 2.2%)

4.0: 6 ( 1.2%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.4%)

5.0: 5 ( 1.0%)

Cache types:

1 ( 0.2%) Event Cache

30 ( 6.0%) Multi-cache

435 (87.0%) Traditional Cache

26 ( 5.2%) Unknown Cache

6 ( 1.2%) Virtual Cache

2 ( 0.4%) Webcam Cache

Containers:

2 ( 0.4%) Large

203 (40.6%) Micro

14 ( 2.8%) Not chosen

8 ( 1.6%) Other

212 (42.4%) Regular

57 (11.4%) Small

4 ( 0.8%) Virtual

Countries:

500 in United States

US States:

320 in Florida

180 in Georgia

18.9k · December 9, 2005

My active hides this time:

Analysis of file C:\fizzy\379721.gpx

53 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.82

Avg. Terrain = 1.87

Avg. Challenge = 2.01

6 hard caches (11%)

1 countries

2 US states

0 (0.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #11780 (GC2E04)

Newest cache: #317605 (GCRE98)

Difficulty:

1.0: 8 (15.1%)

1.5: 17 (32.1%)

2.0: 17 (32.1%)

2.5: 8 (15.1%)

3.0: 3 ( 5.7%)

Terrain:

1.0: 2 ( 3.8%)

1.5: 25 (47.2%)

2.0: 17 (32.1%)

2.5: 5 ( 9.4%)

3.0: 2 ( 3.8%)

3.5: 2 ( 3.8%)

Cache types:

1 ( 1.9%) Earthcache

1 ( 1.9%) Event Cache

1 ( 1.9%) Multi-cache

48 (90.6%) Traditional Cache

2 ( 3.8%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

4 ( 7.5%) Micro

2 ( 3.8%) Not chosen

1 ( 1.9%) Other

37 (69.8%) Regular

7 (13.2%) Small

2 ( 3.8%) Virtual

Countries:

53 in United States

US States:

42 in Nebraska

11 in Wyoming

2.9k · December 9, 2005

Nice idea.

My stats are here

UK only but hey its easier than downloading an application and a PQ :lol: :lol: :lol:

In case you cant acces these heres a print out.

111 caching trips

between 2003-05-05 and 2006-06-06

Been in the sport 1129 days

Hidden 1 cache for every 19.5 caches found

Found 292 caches

during 94 trips, between 2003-05-05 and 2005-11-27

Average 3.1 caches found per trip

Caches were found in 16 counties

The terrain of these caches ranged from 1.0 to 5.0, average 2.0

The total terrain of these caches was 596.5

The difficulty of these caches ranged from 1.0 to 5.0, average 2.0

The total difficulty of these caches was 577.5

The total (difficulty + terrain) of these caches was 1174.0

The total distance between these caches was 4894 miles

This cacher has defiled 17 virgin caches

Hidden 15 caches

during 14 trips, between 2004-05-03 and 2006-06-06

Average 1.1 caches hidden per trip

Caches were hidden in 3 counties

The terrain of these caches ranged from 1.5 to 3.0, average 1.9

The total terrain of these caches was 28.0

The difficulty of these caches ranged from 1.5 to 5.0, average 2.7

The total difficulty of these caches was 41.0

The total (difficulty + terrain) of these caches was 69.0

The total distance between these caches was 254 miles

December 9, 2005

My hides. I love this tool.

20 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 2.38

Avg. Terrain = 1.38

Avg. Challenge = 2.52

10 hard caches (50%)

1 countries

1 US states

0 (0.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #173167 (GCKJZZ)

Newest cache: #313127 (GCR9KT)

Difficulty:

1.0: 4 (20.0%)

1.5: 2 (10.0%)

2.0: 2 (10.0%)

2.5: 4 (20.0%)

3.0: 3 (15.0%)

3.5: 5 (25.0%)

Terrain:

1.0: 12 (60.0%)

1.5: 5 (25.0%)

2.0: 1 ( 5.0%)

3.0: 2 (10.0%)

Cache types:

3 (15.0%) Multi-cache

16 (80.0%) Traditional Cache

1 ( 5.0%) Unknown Cache

Containers:

11 (55.0%) Micro

2 (10.0%) Not chosen

4 (20.0%) Regular

3 (15.0%) Small

Countries:

20 in United States

US States:

20 in Georgia

December 9, 2005

Another fun geo-software gadget from FizzyMagic. Here are my results, but I don't remember doing a cache in Texas.

746 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.94

Avg. Terrain = 1.82

Avg. Challenge = 2.20

203 hard caches (27%)

2 countries

15 US states

196 (26.3%) archived

Oldest cache: #32 (GC20)

Newest cache: #315254 (GCRBVD)

Difficulty:

1.0: 201 (26.9%)

1.5: 153 (20.5%)

2.0: 182 (24.4%)

2.5: 79 (10.6%)

3.0: 67 ( 9.0%)

3.5: 28 ( 3.8%)

4.0: 19 ( 2.5%)

4.5: 7 ( 0.9%)

5.0: 10 ( 1.3%)

Terrain:

1.0: 244 (32.7%)

1.5: 185 (24.8%)

2.0: 140 (18.8%)

2.5: 62 ( 8.3%)

3.0: 55 ( 7.4%)

3.5: 27 ( 3.6%)

4.0: 20 ( 2.7%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.3%)

5.0: 11 ( 1.5%)

Cache types:

2 ( 0.3%) Cache In Trash Out Event

1 ( 0.1%) Earthcache

28 ( 3.8%) Event Cache

3 ( 0.4%) Letterbox Hybrid

94 (12.6%) Multi-cache

1 ( 0.1%) Project APE Cache

509 (68.2%) Traditional Cache

60 ( 8.0%) Unknown Cache

47 ( 6.3%) Virtual Cache

1 ( 0.1%) Webcam Cache

Containers:

5 ( 0.7%) Large

177 (23.7%) Micro

62 ( 8.3%) Not chosen

36 ( 4.8%) Other

412 (55.2%) Regular

15 ( 2.0%) Small

39 ( 5.2%) Virtual

Countries:

3 in Cayman Islands

743 in United States

US States:

21 in Alabama

4 in California

41 in Florida

606 in Georgia

1 in Indiana

13 in Kentucky

8 in Louisiana

6 in Mississippi

4 in Nebraska

1 in North Carolina

18 in South Carolina

16 in Tennessee

1 in Texas

2 in Virginia

1 in West Virginia

38.2k · December 9, 2005

Fizzy keeps improving this. Here is my stuff with the latest program:

My finds

426 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.88

Avg. Terrain = 2.02

Avg. Challenge = 2.19

107 hard caches (25%)

1 countries

9 US states

125 (29.3%) archived

Oldest cache: #200 (GCC8)

Newest cache: #311685 (GCR849)

Difficulty:

1.0: 91 (21.4%)

1.5: 99 (23.2%)

2.0: 122 (28.6%)

2.5: 59 (13.8%)

3.0: 47 (11.0%)

3.5: 5 ( 1.2%)

4.0: 1 ( 0.2%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.5%)

Terrain:

1.0: 83 (19.5%)

1.5: 104 (24.4%)

2.0: 91 (21.4%)

2.5: 64 (15.0%)

3.0: 50 (11.7%)

3.5: 17 ( 4.0%)

4.0: 12 ( 2.8%)

4.5: 3 ( 0.7%)

5.0: 2 ( 0.5%)

Cache types:

1 ( 0.2%) Cache In Trash Out Event

14 ( 3.3%) Event Cache

1 ( 0.2%) Letterbox Hybrid

6 ( 1.4%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

29 ( 6.8%) Multi-cache

342 (80.3%) Traditional Cache

16 ( 3.8%) Unknown Cache

17 ( 4.0%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

5 ( 1.2%) Large

70 (16.4%) Micro

21 ( 4.9%) Not chosen

18 ( 4.2%) Other

264 (62.0%) Regular

25 ( 5.9%) Small

23 ( 5.4%) Virtual

Countries:

420 in United States

US States:

13 in California

6 in Connecticut

1 in Delaware

4 in Maryland

283 in New Jersey

69 in New York

23 in Pennsylvania

15 in Vermont

6 in Virginia

My active hides

103 unique caches fohidden.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.85

Avg. Terrain = 2.27

Avg. Challenge = 2.38

26 hard caches (25%)

1 countries

3 US states

Oldest cache: #8387 (GC20C3)

Newest cache: #318870 (GCRFK2)

Difficulty:

1.0: 9 ( 8.7%)

1.5: 31 (30.1%)

2.0: 47 (45.6%)

2.5: 14 (13.6%)

3.0: 2 ( 1.9%)

Terrain:

1.0: 4 ( 3.9%)

1.5: 26 (25.2%)

2.0: 22 (21.4%)

2.5: 27 (26.2%)

3.0: 14 (13.6%)

3.5: 8 ( 7.8%)

4.0: 1 ( 1.0%)

5.0: 1 ( 1.0%)

Cache types:

17 (16.5%) Multi-cache

77 (74.8%) Traditional Cache

5 ( 4.9%) Unknown Cache

4 ( 3.9%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

5 ( 4.9%) Micro

2 ( 1.9%) Other

67 (65.0%) Regular

27 (26.2%) Small

2 ( 1.9%) Virtual

Countries:

103 in United States

US States:

98 in New Jersey

2 in New York

3 in Vermont

500 closest to my Zipcode (only 13 percent micros, how cool is that!

500 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 2.06

Avg. Terrain = 2.22

Avg. Challenge = 2.42

160 hard caches (32%)

1 countries

2 US states

0 (0.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #200 (GCC8)

Newest cache: #321233 (GCRJ29)

Difficulty:

1.0: 45 ( 9.0%)

1.5: 110 (22.0%)

2.0: 174 (34.8%)

2.5: 106 (21.2%)

3.0: 52 (10.4%)

3.5: 3 ( 0.6%)

4.0: 6 ( 1.2%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.4%)

5.0: 2 ( 0.4%)

Terrain:

1.0: 44 ( 8.8%)

1.5: 116 (23.2%)

2.0: 113 (22.6%)

2.5: 103 (20.6%)

3.0: 82 (16.4%)

3.5: 22 ( 4.4%)

4.0: 15 ( 3.0%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.4%)

5.0: 3 ( 0.6%)

Cache types:

1 ( 0.2%) Earthcache

80 (16.0%) Multi-cache

382 (76.4%) Traditional Cache

35 ( 7.0%) Unknown Cache

2 ( 0.4%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

68 (13.6%) Micro

14 ( 2.8%) Not chosen

10 ( 2.0%) Other

320 (64.0%) Regular

87 (17.4%) Small

1 ( 0.2%) Virtual

Countries:

500 in United States

US States:

495 in New Jersey

5 in New York

Edited December 9, 2005 by briansnat

December 9, 2005

Going back to the original question about whether there is an inverse relationship between number of finds and average difficulty found, just scanning the posted stats it looks like this may be true. But then, this is not a valid sample, and there are a few cachers with both high finds and high difficulty ratios, e.g., tozainamboku with 1712/24%. If these type of stats were incorporated into the geocaching.com reporting system, it might help improve the average rating of cache placements. But then, it would also probably result in "rating creep" ... if you define a game, people will play.

FWIW, CharlieP

December 9, 2005

Going back to the original question about whether there is an inverse relationship between number of finds and average difficulty found, just scanning the posted stats it looks like this may be true. But then, this is not a valid sample, and there are a few cachers with both high finds and high difficulty ratios, e.g., tozainamboku with 1712/24%. If these type of stats were incorporated into the geocaching.com reporting system, it might help improve the average rating of cache placements. But then, it would also probably result in "rating creep" ... if you define a game, people will play.

FWIW, CharlieP

Again. I see it not so much that, but a direct relationship between caches found and those available to be found. If there are more "easy" caches out there than "hard" caches then obviously ones "easy" find count will be higher.

December 9, 2005

Again. I see it not so much that, but a direct relationship between caches found and those available to be found. If there are more "easy" caches out there than "hard" caches then obviously ones "easy" find count will be higher.

That would imply that all cachers in a given area would tend to have a similar cache found difficulty ratio. I would be very surprised if that were true.

December 9, 2005

Again. I see it not so much that, but a direct relationship between caches found and those available to be found. If there are more "easy" caches out there than "hard" caches then obviously ones "easy" find count will be higher.

That would imply that all cachers in a given area would tend to have a similar cache found difficulty ratio. I would be very surprised if that were true.

Only if they have the same caching habits. I travel for work and have found most of my caches outside of what I consider my "home" area. whrere as a friend of mine caches almost exclusively in his local area. I'm talking more global than regional or local. I maintain that there are a lot more difficulty 2 cahces out there than there are difficulty 4. So it stands to reason that more 2's are found than are 4's.

December 11, 2005

Here are some stats from a beginner (that'd be me). I logged my first find less then a month ago.

36 caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.96

Avg. Terrain = 2.39

Avg. Challenge = 2.54

19 hard caches found (53%)

I doubt that I'll keep that ratio of hard finds over 50%, but you can see why I got into caching in the first place. I love to see terrain ratings of 3.5 stars or more. If my legs are burning when I find the cache then I'm happy!

December 12, 2005

Very cool program! I had *no* idea that 23+ percent of the caches I've found are now archived! A statistic of how many 'last to find' caches would be interesting. (Hopefully my numbers in that department are low).

1242 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.72

Avg. Terrain = 1.60

Avg. Challenge = 1.92

204 hard caches (16%)

1 countries

4 US states

292 (23.5%) archived

Oldest cache: #24 (GC18)

Newest cache: #316645 (GCRD99)

Difficulty:

1.0: 419 (33.7%)

1.5: 274 (22.1%)

2.0: 326 (26.2%)

2.5: 101 ( 8.1%)

3.0: 82 ( 6.6%)

3.5: 22 ( 1.8%)

4.0: 13 ( 1.0%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.2%)

5.0: 3 ( 0.2%)

Terrain:

1.0: 559 (45.0%)

1.5: 312 (25.1%)

2.0: 169 (13.6%)

2.5: 88 ( 7.1%)

3.0: 61 ( 4.9%)

3.5: 17 ( 1.4%)

4.0: 23 ( 1.9%)

4.5: 4 ( 0.3%)

5.0: 9 ( 0.7%)

Cache types:

3 ( 0.2%) Cache In Trash Out Event

4 ( 0.3%) Earthcache

5 ( 0.4%) Event Cache

4 ( 0.3%) Letterbox Hybrid

13 ( 1.0%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

99 ( 8.0%) Multi-cache

958 (77.1%) Traditional Cache

26 ( 2.1%) Unknown Cache

129 (10.4%) Virtual Cache

1 ( 0.1%) Webcam Cache

Containers:

13 ( 1.0%) Large

281 (22.6%) Micro

70 ( 5.6%) Not chosen

46 ( 3.7%) Other

584 (47.0%) Regular

127 (10.2%) Small

121 ( 9.7%) Virtual

Countries:

1229 in United States

US States:

8 in Alabama

1212 in Colorado

1 in Tennessee

8 in Wyoming

5.3k · December 12, 2005

I have posted a new version. Try it. I am now parsing logs and obtaining helpful statistics from them.

Unfortunately, this new version is no longer so useful for analyzing your local caches. I am going to fix that in the near future.

As always, you can get it here.

December 12, 2005

Way to complicated for me.......

Easier way. Most of my finds are about a 2 average.

December 13, 2005

Jumping in late....

1571 unique caches.

47702 finds logged.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.71

Avg. Terrain = 1.68

Avg. Challenge = 1.93

266 hard caches (17%)

2 countries

28 US states

1535 multiple finds (3%)

322 (20.5%) archived

Oldest cache: #236 (GCEC)

Newest cache: #316722 (GCRDBR)

Interesting stuff, thanks!!!

3.9k · December 13, 2005

I seem to be playing cxatch up here.

It seems we added some more stuff such as cache container size.

Containers:

42 ( 3.4%) Large

263 (21.0%) Micro

37 ( 3.0%) Not chosen

65 ( 5.2%) Other

647 (51.7%) Regular

107 ( 8.6%) Small

90 ( 7.2%) Virtual

I was surprised to see well over half of my physical cache finds were regular or larger.

Also the Oldest cache: #121 (GC79) & Newest cache: #317434 (GCRE3Q) stuff.

How do we get the program to do side by side? Say, if we give it more than one file off the command line?

December 13, 2005

Interesting!

I love stats. Since we do lots of easy ones when traveling, I expected to be really low. The 20.5% archived was a suprise though!

1232 unique caches.

1241 finds logged.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.74

Avg. Terrain = 1.53

Avg. Challenge = 1.92

204 hard caches (17%)

1 countries

28 US states

3 multiple finds (0%)

253 (20.5%) archived

Oldest cache: #40 (GC28)

Newest cache: #312741 (GCR97B)

Difficulty:

1.0: 434 (35.2%)

1.5: 267 (21.7%)

2.0: 269 (21.8%)

2.5: 114 ( 9.3%)

3.0: 98 ( 8.0%)

3.5: 25 ( 2.0%)

4.0: 15 ( 1.2%)

4.5: 4 ( 0.3%)

5.0: 6 ( 0.5%)

Terrain:

1.0: 575 (46.7%)

1.5: 308 (25.0%)

2.0: 169 (13.7%)

2.5: 96 ( 7.8%)

3.0: 54 ( 4.4%)

3.5: 20 ( 1.6%)

4.0: 9 ( 0.7%)

5.0: 1 ( 0.1%)

Cache types:

6 ( 0.5%) Cache In Trash Out Event

1 ( 0.1%) Earthcache

29 ( 2.4%) Event Cache

4 ( 0.3%) Letterbox Hybrid

5 ( 0.4%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

80 ( 6.5%) Multi-cache

1 ( 0.1%) Project APE Cache

963 (78.2%) Traditional Cache

42 ( 3.4%) Unknown Cache

98 ( 8.0%) Virtual Cache

3 ( 0.2%) Webcam Cache

Containers:

6 ( 0.5%) Large

346 (28.1%) Micro

72 ( 5.8%) Not chosen

42 ( 3.4%) Other

572 (46.4%) Regular

102 ( 8.3%) Small

92 ( 7.5%) Virtual

Countries:

1227 in United States

US States:

11 in Arizona

34 in California

26 in Colorado

3 in Delaware

6 in Florida

177 in Idaho

57 in Illinois

11 in Indiana

15 in Iowa

1 in Kansas

1 in Louisiana

1 in Maryland

13 in Minnesota

24 in Missouri

533 in Montana

2 in Nebraska

11 in Nevada

9 in New Mexico

2 in New York

11 in North Dakota

7 in Oregon

14 in Pennsylvania

13 in South Dakota

2 in Texas

54 in Utah

140 in Washington

15 in Wisconsin

34 in Wyoming

December 13, 2005

Of the 500 closest ones we haven't found:

500 unique caches.

Avg. Difficulty = 2.06

Avg. Terrain = 2.46

Avg. Challenge = 2.63

237 hard caches (47%)

1 countries

2 US states

0 (0.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #38 (GC26)

Newest cache: #318281 (GCRF02)

Difficulty:

1.0: 99 (19.8%)

1.5: 96 (19.2%)

2.0: 145 (29.0%)

2.5: 53 (10.6%)

3.0: 63 (12.6%)

3.5: 17 ( 3.4%)

4.0: 17 ( 3.4%)

4.5: 3 ( 0.6%)

5.0: 7 ( 1.4%)

Terrain:

1.0: 86 (17.2%)

1.5: 61 (12.2%)

2.0: 87 (17.4%)

2.5: 56 (11.2%)

3.0: 89 (17.8%)

3.5: 53 (10.6%)

4.0: 47 ( 9.4%)

4.5: 12 ( 2.4%)

5.0: 9 ( 1.8%)

Cache types:

1 ( 0.2%) Event Cache

1 ( 0.2%) Letterbox Hybrid

30 ( 6.0%) Multi-cache

451 (90.2%) Traditional Cache

6 ( 1.2%) Unknown Cache

11 ( 2.2%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

3 ( 0.6%) Large

52 (10.4%) Micro

5 ( 1.0%) Not chosen

19 ( 3.8%) Other

353 (70.6%) Regular

57 (11.4%) Small

11 ( 2.2%) Virtual

US States:

249 in Idaho

251 in Montana

December 15, 2005

Here are my stats...

566 unique caches.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.82

Avg. Terrain = 1.63

Avg. Challenge = 2.05

128 hard caches (23%)

3 countries

6 US states

33 (5.8%) archived

Oldest cache: #2118 (GC846)

Newest cache: #322178 (GCRK1R)

Difficulty:

1.0: 170 (30.0%)

1.5: 141 (24.9%)

2.0: 130 (23.0%)

2.5: 45 ( 8.0%)

3.0: 44 ( 7.8%)

3.5: 15 ( 2.7%)

4.0: 13 ( 2.3%)

4.5: 5 ( 0.9%)

5.0: 3 ( 0.5%)

Terrain:

1.0: 263 (46.5%)

1.5: 121 (21.4%)

2.0: 75 (13.3%)

2.5: 36 ( 6.4%)

3.0: 40 ( 7.1%)

3.5: 11 ( 1.9%)

4.0: 17 ( 3.0%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.4%)

5.0: 1 ( 0.2%)

Cache types:

7 ( 1.2%) Event Cache

1 ( 0.2%) Letterbox Hybrid

29 ( 5.1%) Multi-cache

480 (84.8%) Traditional Cache

17 ( 3.0%) Unknown Cache

30 ( 5.3%) Virtual Cache

2 ( 0.4%) Webcam Cache

Containers:

5 ( 0.9%) Large

151 (26.7%) Micro

23 ( 4.1%) Not chosen

13 ( 2.3%) Other

267 (47.2%) Regular

79 (14.0%) Small

28 ( 4.9%) Virtual

Countries:

7 in Luxembourg

11 in Netherlands

548 in United States

US States:

105 in California

33 in Florida

9 in Nebraska

388 in Nevada

9 in Utah

4 in Wyoming

December 15, 2005

OK - I'm confused. I chose two caches, neither of which I found. One was a 5/5 and the other was a 1/1. I ran these through the fizzymagic thing and here are the results:

What are the following?

9 finds logged

2 multiple finds (22%)

Multiple Finds:

5 finds claimed on GCG62F

4 finds claimed on GCQY40

Analysis of file C:\Program Files\fizzymagic\FromGSAK.gpx

2 unique caches.

9 finds logged.

Avg. Difficulty = 3.00

Avg. Terrain = 3.00

Avg. Challenge = 3.00

1 hard caches (50%)

1 countries

2 US states

2 multiple finds (22%)

0 (0.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #71379 (GCG62F)

Newest cache: #302066 (GCQY40)

Difficulty:

1.0: 1 (50.0%)

5.0: 1 (50.0%)

Terrain:

1.0: 1 (50.0%)

5.0: 1 (50.0%)

Cache types:

2 (100.0%) Traditional Cache

Containers:

1 (50.0%) Regular

1 (50.0%) Small

Countries:

2 in United States

US States:

1 in California

1 in Nevada

Multiple Finds:

5 finds claimed on GCG62F

4 finds claimed on GCQY40

5.3k · December 15, 2005

OK - I'm confused. I chose two caches, neither of which I found. One was a 5/5 and the other was a 1/1. I ran these through the fizzymagic thing and here are the results:

Why are you confused? There were 9 logs on those two caches.

FindStats is intended to process your All Finds PQ. It tells you how many logs there are on all the caches in the file.

I will soon be releasing HideStats, which is intended to analyze other PQs besides the special All Finds one. That one will have different statistics more suited to regular PQs.

3.9k · December 15, 2005

...
I will soon be releasing HideStats, which is intended to analyze other PQs besides the special All Finds one. That one will have different statistics more suited to regular PQs.

Awesome.

GUI? Graphs?

2.5k · December 15, 2005

These are my finds. A couple of pieces of data are skewed by multiple finds on a travelling locationless cache, and another travelling locationless that died in Montana, I found it in Illinois. I haven't been to Montana yet. The rest looks ok.

876 unique caches.

879 finds logged.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.67

Avg. Terrain = 1.55

Avg. Challenge = 1.84

96 hard caches (11%)

2 countries

19 US states

1 multiple finds (0%)

315 (36.0%) archived

Oldest cache: #40 (GC28)

Newest cache: #318035 (GCREQ4)

Difficulty:

1.0: 280 (32.0%)

1.5: 229 (26.1%)

2.0: 253 (28.9%)

2.5: 60 ( 6.8%)

3.0: 32 ( 3.7%)

3.5: 14 ( 1.6%)

4.0: 4 ( 0.5%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.2%)

5.0: 2 ( 0.2%)

Terrain:

1.0: 362 (41.3%)

1.5: 254 (29.0%)

2.0: 151 (17.2%)

2.5: 56 ( 6.4%)

3.0: 40 ( 4.6%)

3.5: 9 ( 1.0%)

4.0: 3 ( 0.3%)

5.0: 1 ( 0.1%)

Cache types:

1 ( 0.1%) Cache In Trash Out Event

3 ( 0.3%) Earthcache

5 ( 0.6%) Event Cache

8 ( 0.9%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

57 ( 6.5%) Multi-cache

714 (81.5%) Traditional Cache

35 ( 4.0%) Unknown Cache

53 ( 6.1%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

8 ( 0.9%) Large

316 (36.1%) Micro

54 ( 6.2%) Not chosen

34 ( 3.9%) Other

364 (41.6%) Regular

51 ( 5.8%) Small

49 ( 5.6%) Virtual

Countries:

5 in Canada

863 in United States

US States:

68 in California

14 in Georgia

533 in Illinois

1 in Indiana

1 in Louisiana

6 in Massachusetts

64 in Michigan

10 in Missouri

1 in Montana

1 in New Hampshire

6 in New York

57 in North Carolina

19 in Ohio

1 in Pennsylvania

38 in Texas

29 in Utah

1 in Washington

10 in Wisconsin

3 in Wyoming

Multiple Finds:

4 finds claimed on GC7375

5.3k · December 15, 2005

...
I will soon be releasing HideStats, which is intended to analyze other PQs besides the special All Finds one. That one will have different statistics more suited to regular PQs.

Awesome.

GUI? Graphs?

As you probably know if you've used GeoCalc, I suck at GUIs. I was thinking about making the output from FindStats HTML, so you could look at it as tables in your browser, but I haven't done that yet.

Anyway, I have whipped out an app that is good for looking at regular PQs. It's called PQStats and you can get it by clicking the above link. I will also include it in the zip file that has the complete FindStats in it.

3.8k · December 15, 2005

806 unique caches found.

Avg. Difficulty = 1.98

Avg. Terrain = 1.80

Avg. Challenge = 2.16

185 hard caches (23%)

1 countries

8 US states

190 (23.6%) archived

Oldest cache: #509 (GC1FD)

Newest cache: #320029 (GCRGTE)

Difficulty:

1.0: 152 (18.9%)

1.5: 175 (21.7%)

2.0: 253 (31.4%)

2.5: 102 (12.7%)

3.0: 74 ( 9.2%)

3.5: 19 ( 2.4%)

4.0: 22 ( 2.7%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.2%)

5.0: 7 ( 0.9%)

Terrain:

1.0: 227 (28.2%)

1.5: 225 (27.9%)

2.0: 173 (21.5%)

2.5: 79 ( 9.8%)

3.0: 61 ( 7.6%)

3.5: 20 ( 2.5%)

4.0: 15 ( 1.9%)

4.5: 2 ( 0.2%)

5.0: 4 ( 0.5%)

Cache types:

1 ( 0.1%) Cache In Trash Out Event

1 ( 0.1%) Earthcache

26 ( 3.2%) Event Cache

5 ( 0.6%) Letterbox Hybrid

2 ( 0.2%) Locationless (Reverse) Cache

46 ( 5.7%) Multi-cache

1 ( 0.1%) Project APE Cache

674 (83.6%) Traditional Cache

22 ( 2.7%) Unknown Cache

28 ( 3.5%) Virtual Cache

Containers:

9 ( 1.1%) Large

245 (30.4%) Micro

40 ( 5.0%) Not chosen

38 ( 4.7%) Other

400 (49.6%) Regular

50 ( 6.2%) Small

24 ( 3.0%) Virtual

Countries:

804 in United States

US States:

1 in California

2 in Delaware

20 in District of Columbia

595 in Maryland

134 in Pennsylvania

1 in Texas

1 in Utah

50 in Virginia

NOTE: The Texas and Utah are traveling caches, I believe... since I've not cached in either of those two states.

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