+woZere Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 (edited) Having been given a coin (euro) for my birthday I feel that of couse it should be set free in the geocaching world rather than be a vertual coin.What is its chance of being allowed to continue its travels considering it is desirable to coin collectors and magpies. What is your thoughts and exsperiances on coins you have or lost. (Mrs W) Edited December 2, 2005 by WETHERSPOONERS Quote
SlytherinAlex Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 Having been given a coin (euro) for my birthday I feel that of couse it should be set free in the geocaching world rather than be a vertual coin.What is its chance of being allowed to continue its travels considering it is desirable to coin collectors and magpies. What is your thoughts and exsperiances on coins you have or lost. (Mrs W) The smart money is on boring a hole in it to make it less attractive for people to take it from a chache and keep it. But it is a shame to do that to the finest geocoin in existance. - Quote
+The Golem Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 (edited) I think the whole business of people keeping trackable items (that don't belong to them) should be opened up for debate... (if it hasn't been done already... ) If a white jeep, TB, geocoin etc is released into a cache then it should be allowed to continue on it's travels. Just because a collector perceives it as a shiny bauble doesn't mean they should feel obliged to keep it. I would hope that your coin could be passed around for us all to log, and not be defaced to render it worthless to a collector... Edited December 2, 2005 by The Golem Quote
+Clyde. Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 Bonnie and I have released two EU coins into the caching world and so far they have been moved and logged ok....... Quote
+purple_pineapple Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 But it is a shame to do that to the finest geocoin in existance. - only for a week or so though - after all, thats when the UK coin is released.... Quote
SlytherinAlex Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 only for a week or so though - after all, thats when the UK coin is released.... The UK coin is nice, but it has a lot to beat. - Quote
+Learned Gerbil Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 The only coin I have collected is a 9th century arabic one depicting a gerbil - but I bought it fair and square (on eBay)! I have held on to trackable items for a few weeks to revel in my possession of them, but have always released them after a suitable interval, and logged them into caches in the meantime. It seems to me that holding onto an item that belongs to someone else is clearly in breach of the Theft Act 1968 which defines the offence as "A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and ‘theft’ and ‘steal’ shall be construed accordingly." Releasing a trackable item does not mean you no longer own it, so deliberatly "collecting" trackable items, and thereby depriving the owner of them is theft. Quote
+Belplasca Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 Well, I am currently in possession of two EU Geocoins that I picked up from caches. They have aims related to botanical subjects and I've taken one to Germany and Portugal and the other just to Portugal so far on their quests, but I'm planning to return them into circulation soon so others can take them onwards... Bob Aldridge Quote
+Happy Humphrey Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 Ten coins released over the last year or so: two have disappeared (neither because of British cachers AFAIK). The rare silver US Geocoin is a slow-mover as people seem to like to hang on to it for a while, but I don't mind as long as it gets moved eventually and is placed in a good cache. HH Quote
+Firth of Forth Posted December 2, 2005 Posted December 2, 2005 Having been given a coin (euro) for my birthday I feel that of couse it should be set free in the geocaching world rather than be a vertual coin.What is its chance of being allowed to continue its travels considering it is desirable to coin collectors and magpies. What is your thoughts and exsperiances on coins you have or lost. (Mrs W) The smart money is on boring a hole in it to make it less attractive for people to take it from a chache and keep it. But it is a shame to do that to the finest geocoin in existance. - I've done that to the 3 geocoins that I own. If you're not going to keep it yourself for a collection, then it's a simple way to make it unattractive to collectors. I use the hole to attach a laminated card showing the coin's mission. This geocoin has been on the move since April with no problems. Quote
nobby.nobbs Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 It seems to me that holding onto an item that belongs to someone else is clearly in breach of the Theft Act 1968 which defines the offence as "A person is guilty of theft if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it; and ‘theft’ and ‘steal’ shall be construed accordingly." Releasing a trackable item does not mean you no longer own it, so deliberatly "collecting" trackable items, and thereby depriving the owner of them is theft. the catch is the dishonestly appropriates. they haven't they have found an item that has been placed in the cache with the intention of others finding it. no act of dishonesty. doesn't make it right by any means. Quote
+Happy Humphrey Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 they have found an item that has been placed in the cache with the intention of others finding it. Good point, Nobby, but I see it as "they have found an item that has been placed in the cache with the intention of others finding it and moving it to another cache fairly quickly.". As the finders will know this (unless they are very new to the game), by keeping it they have "dishonestly appropriated" it as they know that it wasn't left there for people to keep. HH Quote
+Pieman Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 With a geocoin it is possible that those new (or even not so new) might think it is a swap. I make sure I put the coin's mission in a note inside the coin's plastic wallet so finders will know it is a type of travelbug. So far none of mine have been stolen. Quote
+Learned Gerbil Posted December 3, 2005 Posted December 3, 2005 but I see it as "they have found an item that has been placed in the cache with the intention of others finding it and moving it to another cache fairly quickly." My point exactly. If a person deliberatly keeps something they know, or even just suspect, was placed there with the intention of being passed on, they have committed an act of theft. As each item has an address and and ID number on it, then a defense of "I had no idea what it was, who owned it, or what they wanted done with their possession, so I just kept it" would be difficult to establish. Quote
nobby.nobbs Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 at the end of the day it's an act carried out by an unpleasant anti social individual who should go away from the sport and never darken it's doors again. but within any group of people you will always get the one or two who have less scrupples than the rest and are very selfish. the only thing you can do is belief in karma. good gets good and bad gets bad. and hoe that any bug or coin you release gets found only by the good . that or just don't risk them by releasing them. Quote
+Haggis Hunter Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 Looks like Jeremy has came up with an answer. It won't get your TB or coin back (or it just might?) but it will let the offender know that they can't do such a thing. Quote
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