+rxzephyr Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 (edited) I started to discuss this idea in one of my other threads, but it probably deserves it's own topic..... I'm thinking about setting up the "International Travel Bug Rescue League". Basically, the premice would be to link TB owners with local Geocachers/GC Associations who might be able to rescue a TB which has been stranded in an infrequently visited/high terrain cache. As well, this group might even be able to help locate a bug which has been "abducted" by someone - the rescuer might know the abducter in question (heck, you may have been the person who introduced them to the sport!) and can get the TB from them and put it back into circulation. I like the name International Travel Bug Rescue League because it sounds formal and impressive - think International Rescue (aka Thunderbirds), League of Extrodinary Gentlemen, Justice League. I guess I'm just a closet super hero/comic book fanatic or something. However, people have already suggested some names built to build a "cool" acronym, like Travelbug Rescue International Posse or TRIP. Personally, if people think the concept is good & sound, and isn't already being done someplace, I'm looking for some technical help in setting this up. RXZ International Travel Bug Rescue League Reuniting Bugs with Cachers Edited November 24, 2005 by rxzephyr
+blackjack65 Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 As mentioned, sign me up for the Quebec/Eastern Ontario/Northern Vermont/North-Eastern New York area. I do not belong to an official association, as we do not have one quite yet in Quebec, but I am really interested in helping with such a concept. I have a little filter setup in GSAK to see all caches with TBs that have not been visited in the last 2 weeks, which would help for Travel Bus stuck in caches. I don't know how to set one up to find TBs in caches visited recently, but where the TB itself has not been touched. And I can think of no toll that would allow to list TBs in someone's hands for more then 2 weeks.
CacheNCarryMA Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Do we get to kick down doors and invade the homes of people who gave up geocaching after 3 finds and still have TBs in their possession?
+blackjack65 Posted November 24, 2005 Posted November 24, 2005 Do we get to kick down doors and invade the homes of people who gave up geocaching after 3 finds and still have TBs in their possession? As stated in the other thread, no, we will not resort to violence. However, peer preasure will probably be used,.. a lot!
+Arrow One Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 Sounds like a neat idea, but I think the most we can do is "rescue" tb's that have been in a not so visited cache, and place it in a cache that is more likely to send it on its way.
+5¢ Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 I am in. Even if I can't use one, I want to carry a weapon of some sort.
+rxzephyr Posted November 25, 2005 Author Posted November 25, 2005 Sounds like a neat idea, but I think the most we can do is "rescue" tb's that have been in a not so visited cache, and place it in a cache that is more likely to sendit on its way. Rescuing stranded bugs is one thing that this group certainly can do, however I really do believe that there's more that could be done. Most people are introduced to geocaching by a friend or relative, so my plan is to try and put Travel Bug owners in contact with that friend....or a friend of the friend.... Let's say that someone has a travel bug of yours for going on 6 months. Repeated emails to that individual have gone unanswered. Through some investigation, you're pretty sure that the person holding the TB is in Nova Scotia, Canada. So, you head on over to the Rescue League and provide them with this information. Turns out that there's a Geocaching Association which covers that location - the Maritime Geocaching Association (www.maritimegeocaching.com) - so this investigation is passed to their representative. The MGA Rep does some digging and finds a friend of the TB holder who will then head out and see if they can retrieve the bug...... In that case, it's just about giving people an EASY way to get in touch with people willing to help out in different locations around the world..... It's not always clear which areas have GC Associations.....and as we can see from previous posters, sometimes there are INDIVIDUALS who are willing to help out as well! Make sense? And, as was said before, this group does not condone violence in any way, shape or form. It's not about punishing the abductors - it's about saving travel bugs. RXZ
+5¢ Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 Sounds like a neat idea, but I think the most we can do is "rescue" tb's that have been in a not so visited cache, and place it in a cache that is more likely to sendit on its way. Rescuing stranded bugs is one thing that this group certainly can do, however I really do believe that there's more that could be done. Most people are introduced to geocaching by a friend or relative, so my plan is to try and put Travel Bug owners in contact with that friend....or a friend of the friend.... Let's say that someone has a travel bug of yours for going on 6 months. Repeated emails to that individual have gone unanswered. Through some investigation, you're pretty sure that the person holding the TB is in Nova Scotia, Canada. So, you head on over to the Rescue League and provide them with this information. Turns out that there's a Geocaching Association which covers that location - the Maritime Geocaching Association (www.maritimegeocaching.com) - so this investigation is passed to their representative. The MGA Rep does some digging and finds a friend of the TB holder who will then head out and see if they can retrieve the bug...... In that case, it's just about giving people an EASY way to get in touch with people willing to help out in different locations around the world..... It's not always clear which areas have GC Associations.....and as we can see from previous posters, sometimes there are INDIVIDUALS who are willing to help out as well! Make sense? And, as was said before, this group does not condone violence in any way, shape or form. It's not about punishing the abductors - it's about saving travel bugs. RXZ I said I just wanted to carry a weapon not use it.
FreeWheelin4x4 Posted November 25, 2005 Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) I might be a bit new to post this, but I can offer some help in the south central pennsylvania and north central maryland area. I don't know many cachers in the area (yet), but my work schedule gives me 8 days off straight before a 5 day rotation at the ambulance building. So I have plenty of free time to hunt inactive or under-used caches to assist. If I'm still too green, no worries =) hopefully I'll rectify that on Saturday when I go out again on a 20+ hunt in the south central pennsylvania (mainly York and Lancaster counties). Even if I am too green to help, I enjoy the idea! PS: I haven't found an association in my area (again, yet) so I don't belong to one. If someone points me that'd be great, for now tho I'll help as an individual Edited November 25, 2005 by FreeWheelin4x4
Team Dragon Racing Posted November 26, 2005 Posted November 26, 2005 be glad to help out in the central florida area
+blackjack65 Posted November 27, 2005 Posted November 27, 2005 (edited) I just tought a new name and acronym. Hitchikers International Liberation League, or HILL, and the members could be named HILL Billies! BTW, today, I have liberated several TBs stuck in a restrictive Hotel. Edited November 27, 2005 by blackjack65
+ADAcache Posted November 29, 2005 Posted November 29, 2005 Sign me up in the Canberra, Australia area. There is a smallish community but most of us are active bug placers, and to lose one isn't very nice.
+GEO.JOE Posted November 29, 2005 Posted November 29, 2005 I already try to rescue TB's as a hobby so I am interested in helping in the River Valley Region of West KY, Southern IL, South East MO and North West TN. I am an active member of the River Valley Geocachers and frequently communicate with members of 5 other groups in the surrounding states. If you like the idea I have even set up a frappr map to make it easer to locate others.
+ADAcache Posted November 29, 2005 Posted November 29, 2005 I just joined up on the frappr page, Lets we how long it takes for the first cry for help
+the hermit crabs Posted November 29, 2005 Posted November 29, 2005 As well, this group might even be able to help locate a bug which has been "abducted" by someone - the rescuer might know the abducter in question (heck, you may have been the person who introduced them to the sport!) and can get the TB from them and put it back into circulation. Here's a mission for you: we have a couple of TBs in need of rescuing. Unforuntately they are abductees, rather than just being stranded in a remote cache, so I'm not sure that there's much hope for them: His Addictions, picked up by Zippy & The Crew from the Neighborwood cache in South Carolina on March 11, 2005. He has only logged one cache since then (and it was a micro, so he couldn't have dropped the bug there). Has not been to the GC site since April 2, 2005. Did not respond to email sent in June and October. Her Addictions, picked up by Winston_Smith from the Lebanon Travel Bug Hotel in New Hampshire on April 23, 2005. He listed the TB pickup in the cache log, but never logged the TB itself. He has not logged a cache since the the day after that, but still logs on to the site -- his last visit was Nov 5, 2005. Did not respond to email in May and July. Email sent in October bounced back as undeliverable. If anyone knows these guys, or knows someone who knows them...
+Arrow One Posted November 29, 2005 Posted November 29, 2005 Well guys & gals, there are a few tbs in my area that have not traveled in weeks or months. 3 are missing, but one is my own tb! Please visit "Hike or Drive" (in NJ) and send "The Jersey Mine" on its way. I will see what I can do this weekend and next week to send the others on their way. Does that make me and official "HILL BILLIE"?
+rxzephyr Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 If you like the idea I have even set up a frappr map to make it easer to locate others. This was such a cool idea, I just have to comment on it. Kudos to GEO JOE for setting this baby up. If you sign up and belong to a Geocaching Association, make note of it in the "Shout Out" box. Hopefully someone from South Carolina will join up and go on the hunt for the first reported MIA's. RXZ
+blackjack65 Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 I have even set up a frappr map to make it easer to locate others. I have tried putting myself on the map, but it did nor work. Maybe it's because I declined to create an account.
+rxzephyr Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 I have even set up a frappr map to make it easer to locate others. I have tried putting myself on the map, but it did nor work. Maybe it's because I declined to create an account. Shouldn't have to. I didn't at first and it added me to the list, however I went back and changed that. Looks like only people who are members of Frappr! are able to get the "Message" option - and that would be kinda important in getting people in contact with you. RXZ
+TEAM LANDCRUISER Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Sounds like a reasonable idea to us, so we've signed up for the west coast (Downunder)... although western australia covers over 2,525,500 sq. km's we'll need a little help to cut down the fuel costs
+rxzephyr Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 Sounds like a reasonable idea to us, so we've signed up for the west coast (Downunder)... although western australia covers over 2,525,500 sq. km's we'll need a little help to cut down the fuel costs I think it's great to see 3 Australian's already signed up for this - so immediately we have representation in 3 different countries making us truely an International Effort! Now we just need to spread the word and get our first success story! RXZ
Aushiker Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Add me and I can share the fuel costs with TLC :-) Andrew
+ADAcache Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Mabey a quick post to the country sites would add to the international feel of the league. I had the link added to the Aussie site and that is why it has produced a few members from there. Without doing some research I know that belgium has an active site, but my flemish is terrible.
+rxzephyr Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 Add me and I can share the fuel costs with TLC :-) Andrew Welcome Welcome Welcome! Head on over to the Frappr! site and sign on up using the big "Add Yourself" button on the right hand side! RXZ
+bargee Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Following your post on the UK forum, I am putting my name forward for the Northwest england ( Cheshire, Lancashire, Manchester and merseyside) and North Wales. I'm sure others from the Uk forum will be following shortly Iain the Bargee
+Mad H@ter Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 You can count us in for the UK, hopefully their should be a few more from the UK soon.
+Haggis Hunter Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 I'm sure others from the Uk forum will be following shortly You're not wrong there Bargee! Put me down for Scotland, but I am mainly tied to Edinburgh. But I will do my best to see if I can get someone to rescue any TB's out of my reach. I'll also put this onto another geocaching related forum.
+KiwiGary Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Hi, Count me in as well, we are keen to rescue travel bugs. Do we get a hat or at least a sash to wear while we are on a rescue mission. See ya...Gary
+GEO.JOE Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 As well, this group might even be able to help locate a bug which has been "abducted" by someone - the rescuer might know the abducter in question (heck, you may have been the person who introduced them to the sport!) and can get the TB from them and put it back into circulation. Here's a mission for you: we have a couple of TBs in need of rescuing. Unforuntately they are abductees, rather than just being stranded in a remote cache, so I'm not sure that there's much hope for them: His Addictions, picked up by Zippy & The Crew from the Neighborwood cache in South Carolina on March 11, 2005. He has only logged one cache since then (and it was a micro, so he couldn't have dropped the bug there). Has not been to the GC site since April 2, 2005. Did not respond to email sent in June and October. Her Addictions, picked up by Winston_Smith from the Lebanon Travel Bug Hotel in New Hampshire on April 23, 2005. He listed the TB pickup in the cache log, but never logged the TB itself. He has not logged a cache since the the day after that, but still logs on to the site -- his last visit was Nov 5, 2005. Did not respond to email in May and July. Email sent in October bounced back as undeliverable. If anyone knows these guys, or knows someone who knows them... Hello I got started with His addictions. I have sent Email to Zippy & The Crew and posted on South Carolina Geocachers Association Forum. http://www.iscga.org/a/index.php Zippy & The Crew have only cached in Columbia SC and mostly in zip codes 29169 and 29171. We will see where this goes.
+Haggis Hunter Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 If you like the idea I have even set up a frappr map to make it easer to locate others. I'm on the frapper site, but I am signed in twice, one with an account and one without. I can't get rid of the one without the account, can you delete it for me?
markandlynn Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Let me know of any UK caches and i will add them to the dust off competition. Link in my signature line. There are bonuses for rescuing TB's.
PCFrog Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 I would be happy to help out as much as I can in the area I can cover. I did a few bug rescues already in the past and would be willing to assist others.
+rxzephyr Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 (edited) Well.....I have to vent. I've tried to promote this group by making some postings into some of the Groundspeak Country-specific or US Regional groups and had my postings closed/locked in some (fair) and deleted without warning (I know I posted in some groups and the posting has disappeared.) I feel that qualifying my posts as "spam" is unfair and just needed to get that off my chest. Anyway, water under the bridge. We'll have to find some other way to promote this fledgling group. We can do good work and I'm trying to not let this get to me. 18 people and growing. Make sure you don't just post here and sign up on the Frappr! Map! RXZephyr http://www.frappr.com/internationaltravelbugrescueleague Edited November 30, 2005 by rxzephyr
+TrimblesTrek Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 I saw your note in the Canada forum. The moderator just closed the thread due to cross posting, but your initial post is still there and has the link to bring me over here. I have a couple of questions... Do we get cool shirts and hats? If I'm gonna be part of something important and official, I think I'll need to wear an important and official looking shirt and hat while I'm seaching for stray bugs. One of those cool dashboard signs for the car would be great too. "Don't tow this vehicle...Travel Bug Hunter ON CALL" If we find a cacher who refuses to "give up" and surrender the TB to the TB Police, what are our options? Can we use force? Should we make mean faces? Can we make a citizens arrest? Can we lie and tell them we know Jeremy and they'll "be in BIG trouble if they don't cooperate"? Should we just cry? Once we have the missing bugs in our (bloodied?) hands, what's the next step? Return it directly to the owner? Place it in an accessible cache? Give it to a friend that is in the "just getting interested in this geocaching thing" stage? Maybe just hand it over to a passing 6 year old and hope for the best? It's a great idea! But we need RULES and REGULATIONS man! And don't forget about the cool t-shirts and hats.
+aRRKS Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 What an excellent idea, perhaps someone in the North Western Territories of Canada fancies this challenge
Keystone Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 Well.....I have to vent. I've tried to promote this group by making some postings into some of the Groundspeak Country-specific or US Regional groups and had my postings closed/locked in some (fair) and deleted without warning (I know I posted in some groups and the posting has disappeared.) I feel that qualifying my posts as "spam" is unfair and just needed to get that off my chest. Anyway, water under the bridge. We'll have to find some other way to promote this fledgling group. We can do good work and I'm trying to not let this get to me. 18 people and growing. Make sure you don't just post here and sign up on the Frappr! Map! RXZephyr http://www.frappr.com/internationaltravelbugrescueleague From the Forum Guidelines linked at the top of every page of the Forums: Posting Messages: Posting the same message to many topics or boards is considered spam. Duplicate messages will be deleted or consolidated by our moderators. Please do your best to post new topics to the appropriate forum board, moderators will move topics that are posted inappropriately. The moderators did exactly what is asked of us in enforcing the quoted guideline. I will ask at this time that you keep the posts to this thread on-topic. The Travel Bug forum is the proper location for discussion of your idea. Thanks.
+Cheminer Will Posted November 30, 2005 Posted November 30, 2005 I signed up for southwest Oregon. When someone in the Rochester, NY area signs up, my TB "Free Long Distance" needs a rescue. This is a great idea!
+rxzephyr Posted November 30, 2005 Author Posted November 30, 2005 It's a great idea! But we need RULES and REGULATIONS man! I think that in most cases, normal travel bug transportation rules will apply. If you're rescuing a TB from an infrequently visited cache, move it to a more frequently visited cache and get it back on it's way just like a travel bug you would have picked up on your own. If you're attempting to retrieve a TB from someone who has "abducted" it, chances are that you know this individual from outside of geocaching or have met face-to-face at a geocaching event. I think in most cases, these people will be reasonable when you confront them. After all - in that case, you're more than just letters on a screen. However, I'm certainly not against a League Charter and a statement of Guidelines/Ettiquite. Anyone who wants to take a stab at writing it, go for it and post to the forum for feedback. Personally, I'd hesitate to call them "Rules" or "Regulations" as we're not a sanctioned body from Groundspeak. We're just a bunch of volunteers who want to do what's best for the sport. My 2 cents worth. :RXZephyr 24 members
+ExpeditionExplorers Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Anything would be helpful for us. Our travel bug, "International Cache Change" was reported missing from the cache "VB2" 5 months ago, and still no log. We are hoping it turns up in the future.
+maccamob Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 We're in too, but we also have a vested interest. Our 'Plato Platypus' TB was collected from the Seaside Beach cache in Oregon on July 1st, 2004. His 'captors' haven't been near geocaching.com since July 4th 2004 and haven't responded to emails. We'd be grateful for any assistance the League can offer.
markandlynn Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Create a bookmark list like this one link People post to this thread with the cache they need visiting and it gets added to the list. When the TB goes the cache is removed from the list. You need criteria like cache must be unvisited for x months i suggest 6 months based on the dust off experience and contain a TB. Events are not TB black holes people who take bugs and keep them are tb black holes
+Cheminer Will Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Mark, this works for some missing TB's. Tb's go missing for a few different reasons, though. Right now I have a missing TB that would not be helped by visiting a specific cache. It was put out by the last holders, but they did not log it. So if they really did put it out, then all I know is the general geographic area and maybe the list of caches they visited around the time they said they let it go.
+Cheminer Will Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 On another note... Having an official group like this may help us encourage TPTB to make some changes over time to help TB's stay in circulation. Many of you have probably seen my lobbying for a change in the logging procedure for TB's that would all but eliminate ONE reason for missing TB's. here is a summary for those who have not seen my posts in other threads: Many TB's die because after the cacher logs that they have found the TB, they get credit for the TB. This reduces the incentive to keep careful track of the TB until they put it back in another cache. Many TB's get tossed to the kids in the back of the van, put in the bottom of backpacks, lost in a closet, or just put into a cache without logging it. If you could not get credit for a TB until your SECOND log where you sent it on it's way, this particular problem would almost disappear. Many people correctly point out that this is only one reason TB's disappear. However, if we address all the different reasons one at a time and come up with improvements that help each specific reason, then TB's overall would have a higher success rate. I have talked to many cachers about TB's. I hear a lot that people choose not to participate or own only a few TB's because so many go missing. Some have told me that at 4 or 5 dollars a TB, they just can not afford to participate in an activity with such a high failure rate. I really like the TB concept. I have purchased several, but only put out one. The others I gave away to people that have never owned a TB. Anything we can do to make TB's more successful should be encouraged!
magellan315 Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Sign me up, I've rescued more than my share of bugs that have been stranded in caches for long periods of time. I just want a ball cap with the logo and ID badge to flash at people like Skully and Mulder on the X-Files.
PCFrog Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Mark, this works for some missing TB's. Tb's go missing for a few different reasons, though. Right now I have a missing TB that would not be helped by visiting a specific cache. It was put out by the last holders, but they did not log it. So if they really did put it out, then all I know is the general geographic area and maybe the list of caches they visited around the time they said they let it go. That in theory should not be too hard to solve. If they know what day they dropped it then you only have to search the caches they logged that day. Now if they only can guess at a time frame then that does complicate things.
PCFrog Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 If you could not get credit for a TB until your SECOND log where you sent it on it's way, this particular problem would almost disappear. I think that is a great idea and should be relatively easy to implement since it should not affect any GUI modifications.
markandlynn Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Mark, this works for some missing TB's. Tb's go missing for a few different reasons, though. I agree but it adresses one of the issues of TB's stranded in unvisited caches or even worse languishing in TB prison.
+Love Bugs Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 Sorry if this has been asked before, but what about Bugs that cachers have taken and never logged. I have one (TBGJXA ) that was taken from a cache in Spain and the cacher has posted that he has it but has yet to log the Bug or move it. It has been over 10 months since he picked up the bug and he has logged other caches since then. I would also be willing to be part of the rescue team from the Vancouver area of British Columbia Canada.
+Cheminer Will Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 There are sure to be some instances of TB problems that are hard to solve. My suggestion of implementing the credit on the second log is easy. Solving your problem is harder, but this rescue league may help by bringing some local pressure on the cacher. For example, if your bug was near me, I would offer to meet the cacher that has it and take it off their hands and move it on myself. Maybe someone in Spain will eventually be able to do the same for you. The just plain stealing of a TB because it's cute and someone wants it is largely unpreventable. In that case, there would probably not be any log to go on. Just seeing who logged the cache it disappears out of might not help either since people who would steal a TB probably would not log the cache and provide evidence that they were there!
+Cheminer Will Posted December 1, 2005 Posted December 1, 2005 I agree but it adresses one of the issues of TB's stranded in unvisited caches or even worse languishing in TB prison. Yes it does, and I certainly don't mean to imply otherwise. There are several ways that TB's die and my suggestion is just a way to fix one of them. Other people like you will be sure to have ideas on solving other TB crimes! If we can get the attention of TPTB at Groundspeak and get 2 or 3 changes made, I'll bet that we could reduce the number of missing TB's by 50% in 6 months or so. This is probably to the benefit of Groundspeak also. Not just because it improves the game, but because if TB's were more reliably completing their missions, more people would play and more TB's would be sold.
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