+Sensei TSKC Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Along the vein of another thread regarding one finder - lots of loggers, there is the question of teams who have cached at different locations at the same time and claiming "multiple" finds on the same day. i.e. Family Team SMITH consists of Mr & Mrs Smith and two little SMITHS. Mr S and one little SMITH go caching on Saturday in Berks; Mrs SMITH and other SMITH stay near home on the same day and cache in Hants. Both 'Teams' manage 12 finds. When it comes to logging their finds under their caching team name it appears and is recorded that the TEAM found 24 caches TOGETHER on the same day whereas they didn't! Now this can't be right - or is it acceptable? Comments please:
+Haggis Hunter Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Just there way of playing the game, means they won't have an accurate record of all the caches that the whole team have visited. Up to them if you ask me?
+The Hokesters Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Is there some sort of competition at which they are cheating by this method of playing the game? I'm not fussed either way - they don't affect my game.
NickPick Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 If I was a team who regularly split up, I expect I'd start logging as individuals. I've read a lot of logs by part-teams which to say who's logged that one. (ie, A & N from team ABNC) It's only 'wrong' if you're that bothered about the find count, which a lot of people aren't.
+Simply Paul Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 As I can't see how it 'damages' Geocaching as a whole, I don't have an issue with it. However, if it was a regular situation perhaps individual teams or individuals logging just for themselves would be the better route to go. Not only more accurate records of cache visitors for the owner, but as a record of the individual cachers finds too. Either way, I don't see a lot of it going on so I'm fairly unfussed SP
+Stuey Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Now this can't be right - or is it acceptable? I couldn't care less, as long as someone signed the log book.
+Firth of Forth Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Isn't that just an extension of a couple team, in which they sometimes cache together, or alone? I don't see a problem with it.
+HazelS Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 does it really matter who signs the book?? The idea is to get people out into the countryside and enjoy life!
+Sensei TSKC Posted November 22, 2005 Author Posted November 22, 2005 How about those who participate in COM? How do they feel competing against 3-4 people acting independently but logging as on entity? BTW it doesn't affect me in the slightest!
+Happy Humphrey Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 How do they feel competing against 3-4 people acting independently but logging as on entity? I don't suppose such a team would enter COTM as it wouldn't really be cricket then, would it? But as it's only a fun league I don't think it would matter too much unless they won, in which case there could be a bit of grumbling. Ideally, COTM would have sub-categories for top individual performance, best by public transport, top team etc. But until someone provides Deego with an automated system to analyse the stats, this isn't going to happen. HH
+Mr Nibbler Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 (edited) I changed my caching name from "The Nibblers" to my current one when my lad set up his own account and Mrs N made it clear she would NOT be accompanying me through muddy fields (although cream teas and nice shops seem to work OK). Mcd1 (the lad) insisted on re-doing the few caches he'd done as a Nibbler. My pal, however, does some and his wife does some which are logged under the same name (although they don't do different ones at the same time I hasten to add). If people are getting out and about, seeing interesting sights and being chased by occasional wild animals it seems fine to me. Edited November 22, 2005 by Mr Nibbler
+Wadders Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 There is one pair that i know of that log in 2 differnt areas of the country under one id. Personally, i don't care how thay play the game, but out of respect for the individuals that do go out and reach benchmarks on their own, i don't join in any Congradulation threads for them. We could all team up with someone else and double our finds!!! Not my cup of tea. Wadders
+Kitty Hawk Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Didn't I read somewhere that CCCooperagency are a number of people who might be out at the same time in different places? Sheesh - I hadn't seen their stats in the past few months!!
+Happy Humphrey Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Didn't I read somewhere that CCCooperagency are a number of people who might be out at the same time in different places? According to the interview in GeocachingToday (soon to be re-launched, I believe!), this was not the case - it just looks like it because of the amazng number of finds. It's a family geocaching together, but sometimes a solo cacher. HH
+Kitty Hawk Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Fair enough, that's just the same as I do!
+The Hokesters Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Didn't I read somewhere that CCCooperagency are a number of people who might be out at the same time in different places? According to the interview in GeocachingToday (soon to be re-launched, I believe!), this was not the case - it just looks like it because of the amazng number of finds. It's a family geocaching together, but sometimes a solo cacher. HH I wrote that article. Lynn from CCCooperAgency maintains that the stats are correct. The caches set are a bit different. They make the boxes up then send a lot of them out to cachers who set them on their behalf. There is usually a US forum flame war every few months about it. Whatever floats your boat I say.
+PurplePenguin Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 I scan through these forums on a regular basis but rarely feel moved to add comments. However I think we might be the pair mentioned by Wadders, who sometimes find caches separately and on a very few occasions have found both found caches in different parts of the country on the same day. My friend and I initially set up a joint account as we had only one GPSr between us for our first year of caching and would never have guessed at that time how addicted to geocaching we would become. We were unaware of the league tables on GeocacheUK for a further few months, by which time it would have been very time consuming to go back and log all our finds separately. We cache together whenever we can but as we live 100 miles apart this isn’t as often as we would like. I can only apologise if anyone thinks we are ‘cheating’ – this isn’t our intention. One half of Purple Penguin
+HazelS Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 (edited) I thought he was refering to Maxkim... I KNOW they are two friends who occasionally cache together - but most of the time cache separately, in different parts of the country, but log as one person - not right in my view. Edited November 23, 2005 by hazel and Phill
+Stuey Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 most of the time cache separately, in different parts of the country, but log as one person - not right in my view. Right? Wrong? Who defines what is right and wrong? Most people go by the convention that you cache under your own name or family name or whatever, but there's nothing to stop anyone doing it the way they want. Life is like a box of chocolates.... We're all different, and some of us are ginger
+Sensei TSKC Posted November 23, 2005 Author Posted November 23, 2005 most of the time cache separately, in different parts of the country, but log as one person - not right in my view. Right? Wrong? Who defines what is right and wrong? Most people go by the convention that you cache under your own name or family name or whatever, but there's nothing to stop anyone doing it the way they want. Life is like a box of chocolates.... We're all different, and some of us are ginger Stuey, Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking Forumites to decide whether or not it's right or wrong. What I want are 'your' opinions and therefore no-one is right or wrong. Although one group's actions may not or do not affect other cachers stats etc, my opinion is that those who 'multicache' at the same time and log under the one name, are not - IMO - playing the game in a way in which it was intended being "fair" to all who participate. A team I know sometimes cache independently and log as a team, HOWEVER, they do not cache at the same time! This means that their stats are a true record of the time spent caching.
+Stuey Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 What I want are 'your' opinions and therefore no-one is right or wrong. I already did, about half way up . My opinion is "I don't care" I expanded my opinion further in the post that you quoted. Now I'll get me coat
+Birdman-of-liskatraz Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Right, wrong, cheating, playing fair? I cache because I enjoy it, I play, like everyone else plays, by my own rules and as long as we're happy with the way we play it, then what does it matter how anyone else plays the GAME? Thats my view anyway.... Steve
+Sensei TSKC Posted November 23, 2005 Author Posted November 23, 2005 New batch of chill pills required for this thread! Thanks to those who contributed.
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